NVIDIA picks fight, NVIDIA gets ass handed to them on silver platter, Samsung retaliates, NVIDIA gets ass handed to them on silver platter a 2nd time. NVIDIA unhappy.
The problem with Nvidia is that they have incredibly anticompetitive practices, and a lot of blatant disregard for open standards, and a lot of measures to purposely cripple performance of AMD cards.
Uh, what? Two quarters ago, Nvidia beat expected earnings by over 100% and its current stock price is up over 50% what it was this past summer. I don't think the company is immune from criticism, but saying they "can't compete" when the market says otherwise is just plain ignorant.
Nvidia does great in the PC GPU market. They are an also-ran in the tablet/phone GPU market.
Basically, they've been dominating the GPU market by optimizing their designs for 15 years with little regard for power consumption. A new market springs up where low power consumption is important, and they fare poorly.
Intel was caught in the same situation, except they've got a 1.5 generation lead over the rest of the fab industry in die shrinks, which is making their CPUs competitive with ARM on a performance per Watt basis. Nvidia is fabless, so they have to use the same lithography as their competitors, and their inexperience with low-power designs shows.
They don't need much experience in low power designs when their primary opponent (AMD) has significantly less perf/watt.
A mobile gpu would tank in the personal computer segment anyway, my GTX 960m laptop is as thin as many ultrabooks, as thin as a laptop reasonably needs to be. I shouldn't have to tell you that I drive a 4k screen with power to spare, and even a few hours of heavy load battery life. Nvidia is doing just fine.
AMD has no presence in the mobile GPU space (unsuprisingly). In that area Nvidia's competitors are ARM and Imagination Technologies. The latter have been making low power GPU's since the 90's and used to compete (favourably) with Nvidia in the desktop space.
Fermi was particularly bright star on the 15 year old path of optimizing for "power consumption".\ Are you on a crack or something?
nVidia tries to leverage their market position all the way: 1) PhysX and co 2) GSync 3) That nice thing they did to, XFX 4) That nice thing they did to, cough, Anand, you know, after which comparing overclocked cherry picked Fermi vs stock AMD (as nVidia wanted it) somehow become acceptable on this site. (a shame, really...)
Basically NVidia has great engineering talent. Every other aspect of their business, especially their business ethics, PR, and analytics are very poor. And I agree, they are very anticompetitive.
They are also throwing their partners under the bus with these lawsuits, because it drags them into the mess.
Although NVidia has superior products, it made me go with a R9 380 in my most recent system. My main PC still have a GTX970, which is an amazing card...I just thought I'd try something new and so far the AMD card is very nice, the Asus Strix. The fans don't even run at idle.
All NV fans should read this. Do you want to pay more so that the seller of your GPU can waste your money in stupid legal battles or do you want to spent less for more performance? NV wasn't exactly a sympathy-inducing company before and patent-trolling isn't helping. I'm not a fan of Samsung but I'm glad that Jen-Hsun Huang got demolished by them. Sorry, but you must suffer from god-complex if you for 1 second believe that a company as small as NV can win a patent battle vs. Samsung. Even if you are 100% sure you have one new and valid patent, they will just pull out 10 to counter-sue you.
I'm not a fan of Samsung, either, but they have a respectable legal department. As an iPhone owner, I still think the whole battle between Apple and Samsung is frivolous. Samsung has never made a phone that looks anything like an iPhone...and in fact, it is now the other way around.
Are you high or just a leftist nutjob? After I paid for a GPU, tose monies are no longer mine and nV is free to do whatever with them, it doesn`t concern me.
Good point. But you forget that a true capitalist (i.e. non-leftist-nutjob) absolutely believes that all the money in the world just belongs to him and other people are only keeping it for him.
"sitting on the shelf for years collecting nothing but dust"
And they would have remained that way if NVIDIA hadn't decided that patent trolling was a good business model. Lots of patents are defensive patents, held in reserve in case of behaviour like this. No sympathy for NVIDIA.
we live in a great country when our own courts side with Foreign entity over made in america companies. This goes to show everyone around the world we don't play favorites and have a free, and fair judicial process.
Yes it's not perfect, but in south korea, samsung would have won no matter what circumstances.
@jasonelmore : Sure, all domestic litigants should get +1 point for just having incorporated in the US if they are suing a foreign defendant. LOL!!
No worries though, nVidia is definitely going to win the upcoming jury trial in their home court -- there are plenty of other patriots like you and Velvin Hogan who share the same xenophobic sentiment against foreigners. It would have been better if nVidia had taken the case to the Eastern District of Texas.
Samsung would have won in South Korea no matter what? But that didn't happen in Samsung's lawsuit against Apple. In fact, Apple's hometown court is the only court in the world that came up with such ludicrous, lopsided ruling for their home team (thx to our patriots like Velvin Hogan).
@michael bay : sure, who said it wasn't? I just said there is plenty of xenophobia in American court. There are at least one federal appellate judge who agrees with this too -- see Kim Moore who wrote "Xenophobia in American court."
In fact, I just cited a recent case (Apple vs Samsung) where the xenophobic jury handed a domestic litigant a blantantly lopsided legal victory. When the same foreign litigant won their case in ITC, the domestic litigant had the president overturn that ruling on the public interest ground. So what do you want? a proof that the US court is somehow fair or just?
@jasonelmore : just one more thing. Obama's veto of ITC ban of Apple iPhones was the first in nearly 25+ years. When Samsung requested the same from Obama, Obama just looked away.
No South Korean president is known to have reverse a court's ruling to save a domestic company's legal loss.
You're forgetting the ONLY other time a president vetoed an ITC ban was when Samsung was the one facing the ban. That time, Reagan vetoed the ban and saved Samsung.
And bringing up Hogan, not once, but twice shows how clueless you are. Samsung KNEW about Hogan, played dumb during voir dire, then hoped the could use Hogan to get a retrial, and Koh saw right through it.
It must really bother you, since you're always bringing up this non-story.
@ciderrules : Sure, so who was the complaint in that case? and what patent did Samsung infringe? why don't you just cite the 1987 ITC case number for all to see?
I do stand corrected on this. In addition to Obama's veto, there were five other presidential vetos on USITC's ban (see "A Presidential Remedy Under Administrative Control—Why Section 337(j) Should be Repealed," Nicolaas T. Bressers)
A. Certain Stainless Steel Pipe and Tube (1978) ....................... 111 B. Certain Multi-Ply Headboxes (1981) .................................... 112 C. Certain Molded-In Sandwich Panel Inserts (1982) ............... 113 D. Certain Alkaline Batteries (1984) ......................................... 115 E. Certain Dynamic Random Access Memories (1987) ............ 116
God this is such petty tit for tat patent lawsuits taking up valuable judges time! Tell these children to pipe down ,pay the judges legal fees and tell them to get lost.
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0razor1 - Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - link
{First}When will they ever give up.
And review by 'full ITC' meaning this has no material impact right away?
CJ_Jacobs - Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - link
NVIDIA picks fight, NVIDIA gets ass handed to them on silver platter, Samsung retaliates, NVIDIA gets ass handed to them on silver platter a 2nd time. NVIDIA unhappy.WinterCharm - Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - link
The problem with Nvidia is that they have incredibly anticompetitive practices, and a lot of blatant disregard for open standards, and a lot of measures to purposely cripple performance of AMD cards.dagnamit - Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - link
It's almost as if they compete in a market and want to make money. The horror.siliconwars - Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - link
They can't compete, that's why they are forced to resort to patent trolling instead.Seems like they can't compete in that either.
NeoteriX - Thursday, December 24, 2015 - link
Uh, what? Two quarters ago, Nvidia beat expected earnings by over 100% and its current stock price is up over 50% what it was this past summer. I don't think the company is immune from criticism, but saying they "can't compete" when the market says otherwise is just plain ignorant.Solandri - Friday, December 25, 2015 - link
Nvidia does great in the PC GPU market. They are an also-ran in the tablet/phone GPU market.Basically, they've been dominating the GPU market by optimizing their designs for 15 years with little regard for power consumption. A new market springs up where low power consumption is important, and they fare poorly.
Intel was caught in the same situation, except they've got a 1.5 generation lead over the rest of the fab industry in die shrinks, which is making their CPUs competitive with ARM on a performance per Watt basis. Nvidia is fabless, so they have to use the same lithography as their competitors, and their inexperience with low-power designs shows.
darth415 - Saturday, December 26, 2015 - link
They don't need much experience in low power designs when their primary opponent (AMD) has significantly less perf/watt.A mobile gpu would tank in the personal computer segment anyway, my GTX 960m laptop is as thin as many ultrabooks, as thin as a laptop reasonably needs to be. I shouldn't have to tell you that I drive a 4k screen with power to spare, and even a few hours of heavy load battery life. Nvidia is doing just fine.
MrPoletski - Monday, December 28, 2015 - link
AMD has no presence in the mobile GPU space (unsuprisingly). In that area Nvidia's competitors are ARM and Imagination Technologies. The latter have been making low power GPU's since the 90's and used to compete (favourably) with Nvidia in the desktop space.MrPoletski - Monday, December 28, 2015 - link
Left out Qualcomm...medi03 - Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - link
Ever heard of Adreno?AMD licensed stuff runs on most of the mobile chips out there.
medi03 - Tuesday, December 29, 2015 - link
Fermi was particularly bright star on the 15 year old path of optimizing for "power consumption".\Are you on a crack or something?
nVidia tries to leverage their market position all the way:
1) PhysX and co
2) GSync
3) That nice thing they did to, XFX
4) That nice thing they did to, cough, Anand, you know, after which comparing overclocked cherry picked Fermi vs stock AMD (as nVidia wanted it) somehow become acceptable on this site. (a shame, really...)
Michael Bay - Saturday, December 26, 2015 - link
"They can't compete" is the usual fallback rhetoric for AMD.shm224 - Thursday, December 24, 2015 - link
thought you were talking about Apple. Perhaps nVidia is hoping Obama would come to their rescue and reverse Samsung's win. USA!! USA!!babadivad - Monday, December 28, 2015 - link
Isn't nVidia a Taiwanese company?testbug00 - Monday, December 28, 2015 - link
Nvidia was founded and is based on California if I can remember.shm224 - Monday, December 28, 2015 - link
@babadivad: the founder and CEO of nVidia is from Taiwan, but nVidia is a US company.Samus - Thursday, December 24, 2015 - link
Basically NVidia has great engineering talent. Every other aspect of their business, especially their business ethics, PR, and analytics are very poor. And I agree, they are very anticompetitive.They are also throwing their partners under the bus with these lawsuits, because it drags them into the mess.
Although NVidia has superior products, it made me go with a R9 380 in my most recent system. My main PC still have a GTX970, which is an amazing card...I just thought I'd try something new and so far the AMD card is very nice, the Asus Strix. The fans don't even run at idle.
beginner99 - Thursday, December 24, 2015 - link
All NV fans should read this. Do you want to pay more so that the seller of your GPU can waste your money in stupid legal battles or do you want to spent less for more performance? NV wasn't exactly a sympathy-inducing company before and patent-trolling isn't helping. I'm not a fan of Samsung but I'm glad that Jen-Hsun Huang got demolished by them. Sorry, but you must suffer from god-complex if you for 1 second believe that a company as small as NV can win a patent battle vs. Samsung. Even if you are 100% sure you have one new and valid patent, they will just pull out 10 to counter-sue you.Samus - Thursday, December 24, 2015 - link
I'm not a fan of Samsung, either, but they have a respectable legal department. As an iPhone owner, I still think the whole battle between Apple and Samsung is frivolous. Samsung has never made a phone that looks anything like an iPhone...and in fact, it is now the other way around.Michael Bay - Saturday, December 26, 2015 - link
Are you high or just a leftist nutjob? After I paid for a GPU, tose monies are no longer mine and nV is free to do whatever with them, it doesn`t concern me.versesuvius - Sunday, December 27, 2015 - link
Mechael Bay,Good point. But you forget that a true capitalist (i.e. non-leftist-nutjob) absolutely believes that all the money in the world just belongs to him and other people are only keeping it for him.
vred - Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - link
Who's Fred Block?lawblogbob - Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - link
http://abovethelaw.com/2013/03/an-afternoon-with-j...kron123456789 - Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - link
That's just great))) Shouldn't have started this lawsuit against Samsung in the first placepsychobriggsy - Thursday, December 24, 2015 - link
"sitting on the shelf for years collecting nothing but dust"And they would have remained that way if NVIDIA hadn't decided that patent trolling was a good business model. Lots of patents are defensive patents, held in reserve in case of behaviour like this. No sympathy for NVIDIA.
jasonelmore - Thursday, December 24, 2015 - link
we live in a great country when our own courts side with Foreign entity over made in america companies. This goes to show everyone around the world we don't play favorites and have a free, and fair judicial process.Yes it's not perfect, but in south korea, samsung would have won no matter what circumstances.
shm224 - Thursday, December 24, 2015 - link
@jasonelmore : Sure, all domestic litigants should get +1 point for just having incorporated in the US if they are suing a foreign defendant. LOL!!No worries though, nVidia is definitely going to win the upcoming jury trial in their home court -- there are plenty of other patriots like you and Velvin Hogan who share the same xenophobic sentiment against foreigners. It would have been better if nVidia had taken the case to the Eastern District of Texas.
Samsung would have won in South Korea no matter what? But that didn't happen in Samsung's lawsuit against Apple. In fact, Apple's hometown court is the only court in the world that came up with such ludicrous, lopsided ruling for their home team (thx to our patriots like Velvin Hogan).
Michael Bay - Saturday, December 26, 2015 - link
Xenophobia is a sign of mental health. If you`re not protecting your own business, you`ll be paying to the foreign one.shm224 - Sunday, December 27, 2015 - link
@michael bay : sure, who said it wasn't? I just said there is plenty of xenophobia in American court. There are at least one federal appellate judge who agrees with this too -- see Kim Moore who wrote "Xenophobia in American court."In fact, I just cited a recent case (Apple vs Samsung) where the xenophobic jury handed a domestic litigant a blantantly lopsided legal victory. When the same foreign litigant won their case in ITC, the domestic litigant had the president overturn that ruling on the public interest ground. So what do you want? a proof that the US court is somehow fair or just?
shm224 - Saturday, December 26, 2015 - link
@jasonelmore : just one more thing. Obama's veto of ITC ban of Apple iPhones was the first in nearly 25+ years. When Samsung requested the same from Obama, Obama just looked away.No South Korean president is known to have reverse a court's ruling to save a domestic company's legal loss.
ciderrules - Sunday, December 27, 2015 - link
You're forgetting the ONLY other time a president vetoed an ITC ban was when Samsung was the one facing the ban. That time, Reagan vetoed the ban and saved Samsung.And bringing up Hogan, not once, but twice shows how clueless you are. Samsung KNEW about Hogan, played dumb during voir dire, then hoped the could use Hogan to get a retrial, and Koh saw right through it.
It must really bother you, since you're always bringing up this non-story.
shm224 - Sunday, December 27, 2015 - link
@ciderrules : Sure, so who was the complaint in that case? and what patent did Samsung infringe? why don't you just cite the 1987 ITC case number for all to see?how about you Apple fanbois stop making sh*t up?
shm224 - Monday, December 28, 2015 - link
I do stand corrected on this. In addition to Obama's veto, there were five other presidential vetos on USITC's ban (see "A Presidential Remedy Under Administrative Control—Why Section 337(j) Should be Repealed," Nicolaas T. Bressers)A. Certain Stainless Steel Pipe and Tube (1978) ....................... 111
B. Certain Multi-Ply Headboxes (1981) .................................... 112
C. Certain Molded-In Sandwich Panel Inserts (1982) ............... 113
D. Certain Alkaline Batteries (1984) ......................................... 115
E. Certain Dynamic Random Access Memories (1987) ............ 116
JoyEnergiser - Thursday, January 7, 2016 - link
God this is such petty tit for tat patent lawsuits taking up valuable judges time! Tell these children to pipe down ,pay the judges legal fees and tell them to get lost.