Display port offers a modest (0.5A @ 3.3V) amount of power on the connector. It's what allowed active DP to VGA or DP to single link DVI adapters to not need a USB plug for additional power.
I love me some quality adapters. It's only a matter of time before Siig and CableMatters, etc, rip this design off and sell for half the price, so hopefully Club3D earns what they deserve in the short term.
This is great. The only reason I went with Nvidia for my card was for HDMI 2.0 support. I bet AMD includes HDMI 2.0 on their next gen of cards, but either way I won't need to worry too much about it next time I upgrade.
Agreed, it is great. Not having HDMI 2.0 on Fury was a mistake that likely lost them quite a few sales - even if connecting a PC to a 4K TV is a niche. AMD officially announced two weeks ago that its next generation of cards would support HDMI 2.0a and DisplayPort 1.3. It is likely that NVIDIA will follow suit. It will be nice to have this era of display incompatibility behind us... at least until 8K displays come out. LOL
We'll probably have the pleasure of going through it again sooner than that when DisplayPort v.next adds single cable 5k/120hz support. If HDMI adds support for 5k/60hz or 4k/120hz (without color down sampling) we'll have a pre-8k round of it with that standard too.
5K 120Hz will likely be possible with DP1.3 once the need arises thanks to DSC. Unlike chroma compression, DSC promises visually lossless compression up to 3:1, but only needing 2.5:1 for 8K 60Hz 10bpp.
I'll believe it when I see it. "Virtually Lossless" means lossy; and while almost is probably good enough for video or most gameplay; text is an area where degradation from compression artifacts is most visible and half the point of high DPI is that it makes text really really sharp looking. Fuzzing it out with the equivalent of jpeg artifacts is totally not acceptable.
No, you misread - as many do - VESA is claiming DSC is VISUALLY lossless compression, not "virtually lossless". You can go read about the technique on their website as well as read about the studies that they conducted. It sounds legit and given VESA's record, I have little reason to doubt them. But like all things, it has to be implemented in products we can actually buy to be worth anything.
Worst case scenario, 5K 120Hz displays come out and use DP1.3 MST for no compression.
and i find it pretty awesome that my now 4 year old Radeon HD 7970 can run 4k@60hz over HDMI 2.0, even some APUs like Carrizo/Kaveri supports DisplayPort 1.2, to bad those stupid OEMs dont implement DP on their products, as i welcome my new DisplayPort overlords
FYI: it seems that HD 6970 is the minimum you need to get HDMI 2.0 by using this Club3D HDMI 2.0 adapter, and ofc a DP Port on the card
I have a Gsync monitor with only a DP 1.2 input. Sorry if this is an ignorant question, but will this adaptor work with an HDMI source leading to DP 1.2 Display, or is it one-directional?
You'd need an active, powered adapter to do that. HDMI isn't flexible enough to support that without something converting between the two. I don't anyone has made one to this date.
It's weird. Displayport should be cheaper, so why exactly HDMI 2.0 even has a chance makes little sense - unless there's something fishy going on - a cartel doesn't sound entirely implausible.
By the time DisplayPort got to market, things had been shipping with HDMI for almost 5yrs already, so it's more likely a "momentum" thing than anything neferious like cartels or patent crap.
No, Displayport supports audio. It even supports transferring multiple video and audio streams all at once and can be used to send arbitrary 3rd party streams too (which is how Thunderbolt 1 and 2 work). displayport is just a much more advanced standard. Maybe implementing for ports costs more, I have noticed that low-end and most mid-range monitors still don't have displayport ports.
Technically DisplayPort should cost less to implement than HDMI. However, video outputs on a lot of PCs have been VGA / DVI / HDMI only until quite recently.
Displayport can carry audio too. Like with HDMI, it's up to the hardware manufacturers on both ends to support it. AFAIK HDMI's unique feature set is limited to being able to pass 100mbit ethernet and AV device control signals on subchannels. Displayport OTOH leads in supporting higher bandwidths, allowing multiple displays over one cable, and not needing a per output timing source (something the HDMI inherited from DVI which inherited it from VGA); which makes it cheaper to put a bunch of outputs on a single card. (This is why historically most GPUs only supported 2 monitors and 4-6 monitor modes have all required at least some of the screens to be on DP.) DP can also serve as an interconnect for the LCD panels inside a laptop (replacing various old legacy options here).
I can't believe this worked... So I have a GTX 680. I nabbed a common startech 4k 30Hz 4:4:4 which worked. Now, here's the odd part. While messing around with a newer rig I built for a friend with a 980 I plugged things back in incorrectly. (I had the display port with adapter running to my receiver and a dvi to HDMI to my 4K TV. To my incredible surprise the damn dvi to HDMI cable was running 4k 60Hz and Chroma 4:2:0 automatically. I was of the understanding that wouldn't work at all. I have this adapter in the post coming in the mail but in the meantime the cable I least expected to work has been the best solution! No joke. I double and triple checked that it was true. Far better than the DP adapter.
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icrf - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
Both passive, too? Nice. I had a DP to DL-DVI that required a USB connection for power. It was the only way to drive my 2560x1600 display at the time.Kevin G - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
Technically these are active adapters but they do not require an external power source.DanNeely - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
Display port offers a modest (0.5A @ 3.3V) amount of power on the connector. It's what allowed active DP to VGA or DP to single link DVI adapters to not need a USB plug for additional power.Samus - Thursday, December 24, 2015 - link
I love me some quality adapters. It's only a matter of time before Siig and CableMatters, etc, rip this design off and sell for half the price, so hopefully Club3D earns what they deserve in the short term.sircod - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
This is great. The only reason I went with Nvidia for my card was for HDMI 2.0 support. I bet AMD includes HDMI 2.0 on their next gen of cards, but either way I won't need to worry too much about it next time I upgrade.nathanddrews - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
Agreed, it is great. Not having HDMI 2.0 on Fury was a mistake that likely lost them quite a few sales - even if connecting a PC to a 4K TV is a niche. AMD officially announced two weeks ago that its next generation of cards would support HDMI 2.0a and DisplayPort 1.3. It is likely that NVIDIA will follow suit. It will be nice to have this era of display incompatibility behind us... at least until 8K displays come out. LOLDanNeely - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
We'll probably have the pleasure of going through it again sooner than that when DisplayPort v.next adds single cable 5k/120hz support. If HDMI adds support for 5k/60hz or 4k/120hz (without color down sampling) we'll have a pre-8k round of it with that standard too.nathanddrews - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
5K 120Hz will likely be possible with DP1.3 once the need arises thanks to DSC. Unlike chroma compression, DSC promises visually lossless compression up to 3:1, but only needing 2.5:1 for 8K 60Hz 10bpp.DanNeely - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
I'll believe it when I see it. "Virtually Lossless" means lossy; and while almost is probably good enough for video or most gameplay; text is an area where degradation from compression artifacts is most visible and half the point of high DPI is that it makes text really really sharp looking. Fuzzing it out with the equivalent of jpeg artifacts is totally not acceptable.wiak - Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - link
yeah sounds like mp3 hehe, that was virtualy indiscernible compared to cds they said, or something like thatnathanddrews - Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - link
No, you misread - as many do - VESA is claiming DSC is VISUALLY lossless compression, not "virtually lossless". You can go read about the technique on their website as well as read about the studies that they conducted. It sounds legit and given VESA's record, I have little reason to doubt them. But like all things, it has to be implemented in products we can actually buy to be worth anything.Worst case scenario, 5K 120Hz displays come out and use DP1.3 MST for no compression.
wiak - Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - link
2016 Radeons will have HDMI 2.0 and DisplayPort 1.3, look into the article here on anandtech for more infowiak - Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - link
and i find it pretty awesome that my now 4 year old Radeon HD 7970 can run 4k@60hz over HDMI 2.0, even some APUs like Carrizo/Kaveri supports DisplayPort 1.2, to bad those stupid OEMs dont implement DP on their products, as i welcome my new DisplayPort overlordsFYI: it seems that HD 6970 is the minimum you need to get HDMI 2.0 by using this Club3D HDMI 2.0 adapter, and ofc a DP Port on the card
anynigma - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
I have a Gsync monitor with only a DP 1.2 input. Sorry if this is an ignorant question, but will this adaptor work with an HDMI source leading to DP 1.2 Display, or is it one-directional?Hul8 - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
Since it's an active adapter, it only works one way.Regardless, G-Sync would still only work thru DisplayPort.
Olaf van der Spek - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
Most passive stuff isn't reversible either.Flunk - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
You'd need an active, powered adapter to do that. HDMI isn't flexible enough to support that without something converting between the two. I don't anyone has made one to this date.Olaf van der Spek - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
> However with DisplayPorts almost never appearing on TVs,Is this because the TV cartel prefers to push their own patent encumbered HDMI standard?
emn13 - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
It's weird. Displayport should be cheaper, so why exactly HDMI 2.0 even has a chance makes little sense - unless there's something fishy going on - a cartel doesn't sound entirely implausible.rstat1 - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
By the time DisplayPort got to market, things had been shipping with HDMI for almost 5yrs already, so it's more likely a "momentum" thing than anything neferious like cartels or patent crap.ImSpartacus - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
Wasn't displayport strictly for video and hdmi carries both video and audio?I always thought hdmi was for tvs and their need for sound while dp was for pcs and their need for more/faster pixels.
Flunk - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
No, Displayport supports audio. It even supports transferring multiple video and audio streams all at once and can be used to send arbitrary 3rd party streams too (which is how Thunderbolt 1 and 2 work). displayport is just a much more advanced standard. Maybe implementing for ports costs more, I have noticed that low-end and most mid-range monitors still don't have displayport ports.DigitalFreak - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
Technically DisplayPort should cost less to implement than HDMI. However, video outputs on a lot of PCs have been VGA / DVI / HDMI only until quite recently.DanNeely - Tuesday, December 22, 2015 - link
Displayport can carry audio too. Like with HDMI, it's up to the hardware manufacturers on both ends to support it. AFAIK HDMI's unique feature set is limited to being able to pass 100mbit ethernet and AV device control signals on subchannels. Displayport OTOH leads in supporting higher bandwidths, allowing multiple displays over one cable, and not needing a per output timing source (something the HDMI inherited from DVI which inherited it from VGA); which makes it cheaper to put a bunch of outputs on a single card. (This is why historically most GPUs only supported 2 monitors and 4-6 monitor modes have all required at least some of the screens to be on DP.) DP can also serve as an interconnect for the LCD panels inside a laptop (replacing various old legacy options here).wiak - Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - link
call the oxford dictionary, now a few years is redefined as almost a decade, as DisplayPort 1.2 was released in 2009! :pwell DP has a AUX channel and alot of neat stuff,, from all the usb-power thingys in the past they learned =P
Gunbuster - Wednesday, December 23, 2015 - link
Aww look at that, AMD's promise came true... the market took care of the feature they forgot, after 6+ months.James5mith - Wednesday, February 3, 2016 - link
Club3D adapters have been out of stock since mid January. Now their website is offline everytime I check it. Did these guys vanish?Alex8642 - Sunday, May 8, 2016 - link
I can't believe this worked... So I have a GTX 680. I nabbed a common startech 4k 30Hz 4:4:4 which worked. Now, here's the odd part. While messing around with a newer rig I built for a friend with a 980 I plugged things back in incorrectly. (I had the display port with adapter running to my receiver and a dvi to HDMI to my 4K TV. To my incredible surprise the damn dvi to HDMI cable was running 4k 60Hz and Chroma 4:2:0 automatically. I was of the understanding that wouldn't work at all. I have this adapter in the post coming in the mail but in the meantime the cable I least expected to work has been the best solution! No joke. I double and triple checked that it was true. Far better than the DP adapter.