Not sure why we're ignoring the 5700X3D at roughly $190. Being only about 5% slower than the 5800X3D for about 40% less cash makes it the current AM4 drop-in upgrade price/performance ratio champion.
That is eventually going to be its own, lengthy piece (once Intel finally figures out what's going on).
For now, we're not recommending any Intel chips for gaming (affected K SKUs or otherwise), so it's not a deep tangent we're going to weigh down a buyer's guide with (especially as the issue remains unresolved).
Am I wrong guessing that the tests were performed without the Intel Default Settings applied? It seems thar the numbers at least from the POV-Ray tests are similar to those from the article of early May.
What about publishing with updated numbers, so to have a meaningful comparative between CPUs? Weren't those tests supposedly redone with the new settings applied?
These charts are based on our current data sets. You are correct in that there haven't been any changes since May.
The long and short of matters is that Intel is still in the middle of figuring out their problems. So they have not, for the moment, issued any new settings directives that apply to end users. The company's ham-fisted messaging on the matter hasn't helped matters, but it's been largely directed to motherboard vendors internally. None of which has changed the out-of-the-box settings on their respective motherboards.
I fully expect we'll get a proper directive from Intel down the line that will change the OOB settings. And at that time we'll be able to re calibrate our benchmarks as necessary. But for now we don't know what those settings will be.
And it is also misleading. You are saying that the new settings don't apply to end users and won't change their out-of-the-box experience.
ASUS in its FAQ entry titled "[Motherboard]Intel 13th and 14th Gen K-Series processor stability Improvement with Latest ASUS BIOS Update" says, talking about the BIOS update for its 600 and 700 series motherboards, that "The new BIOS automatically applies the Intel Default Settings for various CPU models as the factory default, so no manual settings are required to enable them.". This entry is dated May 31th.
MSI, in a blog entry titled "Improving Stability of 13th/14th Gen Intel Core Processors with Intel Default Settings" says that "The latest MSI Z790 BIOS has implemented the “Intel Default Settings” feature and recommended configurations in accordance with the new Intel guidelines." and "Intel Default Settings is the default setting in MSI BIOS". This post is dated May 7th.
The BIOS firmware update notes for impacted Gigabyte motherboards also make the point clear. For example, the release note for the F11c BIOS revision for the Z790 Gaming X tells us that it "Introduce the "Intel Default Settings" and enabled as default, user needs to disable it first to use GIGABYTE PerfDrive profiles"
The official Intel support account on reddit's r/intel wrote "Please note that Intel has recommended to system and motherboard manufacturers a set of ‘Intel Default Settings’ to be released around the end of May, 2024 for 13th and 14th Generation K Sku processors. Intel recommends using these settings."
Knowing that three of the largest motherboard manufacturers are explicitely stating that they are now applying IDS by default, and that Intel itself recommends using IDS when available for those processors in communication aimed at the general public (r/intel is hardly an internal communication channel towards manufacturers), do you still maintain that the out-of-the-box settings didn't change, or that they didn't recommend to end users to use those settings when available ?
I'm thankful for my i5-14600kf. Had set max voltages lower than stock and runs 5.8ghz all P and 4.5 all E and 4ux Ring with it maxing out just under 8 watts with all cores 100%. With my 360mm cooler in the h7 elite premium case it has yet to hit 60c also.
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Golgatha777 - Wednesday, July 17, 2024 - link
Not sure why we're ignoring the 5700X3D at roughly $190. Being only about 5% slower than the 5800X3D for about 40% less cash makes it the current AM4 drop-in upgrade price/performance ratio champion.nrencoret - Wednesday, July 17, 2024 - link
Why no mention of intel issues?Ryan Smith - Thursday, July 18, 2024 - link
That is eventually going to be its own, lengthy piece (once Intel finally figures out what's going on).For now, we're not recommending any Intel chips for gaming (affected K SKUs or otherwise), so it's not a deep tangent we're going to weigh down a buyer's guide with (especially as the issue remains unresolved).
Oxford Guy - Thursday, July 18, 2024 - link
'That is eventually going to be its own, lengthy piece (once Intel finally figures out what's going on).'I suggest not waiting any longer for Intel. It has been a long time already.
kkilobyte - Thursday, July 18, 2024 - link
Am I wrong guessing that the tests were performed without the Intel Default Settings applied? It seems thar the numbers at least from the POV-Ray tests are similar to those from the article of early May.What about publishing with updated numbers, so to have a meaningful comparative between CPUs? Weren't those tests supposedly redone with the new settings applied?
Ryan Smith - Thursday, July 18, 2024 - link
These charts are based on our current data sets. You are correct in that there haven't been any changes since May.The long and short of matters is that Intel is still in the middle of figuring out their problems. So they have not, for the moment, issued any new settings directives that apply to end users. The company's ham-fisted messaging on the matter hasn't helped matters, but it's been largely directed to motherboard vendors internally. None of which has changed the out-of-the-box settings on their respective motherboards.
I fully expect we'll get a proper directive from Intel down the line that will change the OOB settings. And at that time we'll be able to re calibrate our benchmarks as necessary. But for now we don't know what those settings will be.
Oxford Guy - Thursday, July 18, 2024 - link
It's misleading to post the benchmark images without making the caveats extremely clear. At minimum, add asterisks and a note under each image.'Despite the price drops, Intel and AMD are competing well against each other in the high-end segment'
Oh, really?
'The top end of the market is still dominated by the Intel Core i9-14900K (8P+16E/32T) ...'
Oh? Personally, I'd say it's confused due to the unresolved problems as well as the inefficiency of Intel's design, in comparison with AMD's.
'... which ultimately limits the performance compared to published data. We're still in the process of'
Of what?
kkilobyte - Friday, July 19, 2024 - link
This is frankly a very convoluted answer.And it is also misleading. You are saying that the new settings don't apply to end users and won't change their out-of-the-box experience.
ASUS in its FAQ entry titled "[Motherboard]Intel 13th and 14th Gen K-Series processor stability Improvement with Latest ASUS BIOS Update" says, talking about the BIOS update for its 600 and 700 series motherboards, that "The new BIOS automatically applies the Intel Default Settings for various CPU models as the factory default, so no manual settings are required to enable them.". This entry is dated May 31th.
MSI, in a blog entry titled "Improving Stability of 13th/14th Gen Intel Core Processors with Intel Default Settings" says that "The latest MSI Z790 BIOS has implemented the “Intel Default Settings” feature and recommended configurations in accordance with the new Intel guidelines." and "Intel Default Settings is the default setting in MSI BIOS". This post is dated May 7th.
The BIOS firmware update notes for impacted Gigabyte motherboards also make the point clear. For example, the release note for the F11c BIOS revision for the Z790 Gaming X tells us that it "Introduce the "Intel Default Settings" and enabled as default, user needs to disable it first to use GIGABYTE PerfDrive profiles"
The official Intel support account on reddit's r/intel wrote "Please note that Intel has recommended to system and motherboard manufacturers a set of ‘Intel Default Settings’ to be released around the end of May, 2024 for 13th and 14th Generation K Sku processors. Intel recommends using these settings."
Knowing that three of the largest motherboard manufacturers are explicitely stating that they are now applying IDS by default, and that Intel itself recommends using IDS when available for those processors in communication aimed at the general public (r/intel is hardly an internal communication channel towards manufacturers), do you still maintain that the out-of-the-box settings didn't change, or that they didn't recommend to end users to use those settings when available ?
UltraTech79 - Monday, July 22, 2024 - link
You:1. Couldnt wait a few weeks when this would be more relevent? We have 5000 older CPU benchamarks and reviews. We didnt need this.
2. Didnt bother to include the one thing that would have been relevant? The 5XXXX X3Ds
2. No mention of issues the end user SHOULD KNOW ABOUT with intel?
Just had to push something out right? Kinda lame.
SoppingClam - Sunday, August 11, 2024 - link
I'm thankful for my i5-14600kf. Had set max voltages lower than stock and runs 5.8ghz all P and 4.5 all E and 4ux Ring with it maxing out just under 8 watts with all cores 100%.With my 360mm cooler in the h7 elite premium case it has yet to hit 60c also.
SoppingClam - Sunday, August 11, 2024 - link
48x Ring and 80 watts