Win10 drivers are working fine in Intel and AMD... Wonder why people still say that nVidia's drivers are more stable than AMD's, when that hasn't been the case for several years now.
Err, because overall, in terms of driver support, feature set, and stability, it has been the case for several years now. Things tend to become a bit skewed when you focus on a single example, ignoring longer trends, and use it to reinforce your own personal biases.
@Marlin1975 Yes, when you take it out of context as a response to the previous comment, and leave out the rest of the response, particularly the part that says "when you focus on a single example, ignoring longer trends", that does sound sort of hypocritical doesn't it?
My personal "anecdote" os that it's the other way around. I have been gaming since the DOS days and every single NVidia card I've owned have either had driver issues or died a premature death whereas I've had no such problems with AMD cards.
I currently own a maxwell card which would crash and reload the GUI randomly when I first installed it on Win 8.1. At some point the problem went by itself but is now back with a vengeance in Win10...Some days it just works and other days it will crash constantly.
"I currently own a maxwell card which would crash and reload the GUI randomly when I first installed it on Win 8.1."
I think you deserve all that you get, because based on your prior experience, you should have never bought a Maxwell card to begin with. You keep getting screwed over by a company, again and again and again over a period of around 20 years, and still you don't get it. Honestly, my dog is faster at learning lessons than you.
Nvidia drivers are available day 1 of 90% of AA and AAA titles. Nvidia drivers add SLI Profiles for most of these titles day 1 Nvidia Drivers add Settings Profile on all of these titles day 1
They are doing all of this with WHQL certification. AMD doesnt do any of that stuff. the only time they have day 1 drivers is when the game is AAA (which is like 8 games a year) and most of the time it's games they have a marketing contract with.
AMD's crossfire profiles come much much later when everyone has already beat the game and moved onto something else.
I will say one good thing about AMD, they beat nvidia to Asynchronous shaders and put nvidia on the defensive. But most people know nvidia has way better driver support. its a given, not a opinion.
GTX 580, running Win 10 since February and except period where games wouldn't start at all (Windows issue) I still have to get any problem with graphics... Maybe older cards have had more love (weird) or just older cards enjoyed more driver polishing making it more stable even for new Windows....
no problems here with Win10 and NVidia. EVGA Precision X caused a few problems in Win10, but that was EVGA's problem, not NVidia's. And now with the release of Precision 5.3.8 they seem to have ironed out the problems with that.
This is the first driver update I've had that needed a restart since the early days of Windows 7. Not sure what's going on there, since I had just restarted before installing it.
Do you have any information on performance improvements or specific game fixes in this driver? Some people were experiencing stuttering and some random high-latency frames with 980+ in metal gear solid with the previous drivers, 355.82. Any idea if this is fixed?
Unfortunately Nvidia hasn't been so detailed on what bug fixes they've issued as of late. So unfortunately I am not aware of any other game specific performance improvements.
No mention of windows 10 for this driver at nVidia drivers page. What's going on...? GeForce Game Ready Driver Version: 355.98 WHQL Release Date: 2015.9.22 Operating System: Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, Windows 8 64-bit, Windows Vista 64-bit Language: English (US) File Size: 288.27 MB
The release notes are still lousy since most of the problems fixed and unfixed are not even mentioned. For instance some time ago they managed to fix DSR when connected via HDMI to a receiver but since 1 or 2 releases it's broken again but just for Skyrim.
I haven't had a crash yet with any of the new drivers on my Win 10 64-bit desktop (GTX 770 4GB, CLC overclocked to GTX 780 Ti levels of performance), which was I concern when I upgraded to Win 10 because of my high core and memory clocks. No complaints here.
However, my wife's Win 10 64-bit laptop (GTX 680M, overclocked to desktop GTX 670 levels) does occasionally have a wake-from-sleep brief driver crash and recovery, which it didn't before in Win 7 64-bit. I don't know if this is a Nvidia issue though, as the Killer 1103 wireless card also has issues with wake-from-sleep, along with the card reader. More likely it's a Windows 10 teething issue.
Incidentally, I'm upgrading soon anyone in the market for good condition machines ;)
There's a lot of praise for these rapid Nvidia driver updates but if you think about it, it is really pretty disgusting.
Remember standards and APIs? Like OpenGL and DirectX? What is supposed to happen is that the game developers use the API to get what they want. So why does Nvidia have to add all kinds of special hacks into the drivers for every new game?
Supposedly they work closely with developers. So why not guide them to the best use of the API? Instead it's all "Calling this function X is slow because it also has to ... But your game doesn't need all that so here's your own very special version of function X!"
A modern GPU driver is actually a full compiler, which translates the shader programs written in a high level shader language into assembly code understood by the GPU(s) present in the system. And that's exactly the point where optimizations happen. They do not always have to be game-specific, though. If a new game uses some function in a creative way and exposes a weakness in the current driver / compiler, the "new driver for game release X" may fix that for the general code path as well.
When I first upgraded to 10, I was having hard locks left, right and center, which got me grumpy enough to do a nuke and pave back to 8.1. After a month, I got daring again, and had the same problem. Then I looked over my mobo's site and noticed that there was a bios update from several months ago that I hadn't applied. Applying that has made my system rock stable since then. So folks with nvidia problems, check your mobo bios, that may be the issue.
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WoodyPWX - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
I hope it finally doesn't crash so often in Win 10sebastianer - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
My 970 is often crashing in Windows 10 (sometimes when I come back from Sleep or when it's idle at desktop). I tough it was a hardware issue.slayerxj - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
That's why I still stay on Win7, not a few drivers are not stable in Win10.damianrobertjones - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
Do it... be adventurous!heffeque - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
Win10 drivers are working fine in Intel and AMD...Wonder why people still say that nVidia's drivers are more stable than AMD's, when that hasn't been the case for several years now.
dragonsqrrl - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
Err, because overall, in terms of driver support, feature set, and stability, it has been the case for several years now. Things tend to become a bit skewed when you focus on a single example, ignoring longer trends, and use it to reinforce your own personal biases.Marlin1975 - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
"and use it to reinforce your own personal biases" Pot this is kettle, kettle... pot.dragonsqrrl - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
@Marlin1975 Yes, when you take it out of context as a response to the previous comment, and leave out the rest of the response, particularly the part that says "when you focus on a single example, ignoring longer trends", that does sound sort of hypocritical doesn't it?Kvaern2 - Friday, September 25, 2015 - link
My personal "anecdote" os that it's the other way around. I have been gaming since the DOS days and every single NVidia card I've owned have either had driver issues or died a premature death whereas I've had no such problems with AMD cards.I currently own a maxwell card which would crash and reload the GUI randomly when I first installed it on Win 8.1. At some point the problem went by itself but is now back with a vengeance in Win10...Some days it just works and other days it will crash constantly.
D. Lister - Saturday, September 26, 2015 - link
"I currently own a maxwell card which would crash and reload the GUI randomly when I first installed it on Win 8.1."I think you deserve all that you get, because based on your prior experience, you should have never bought a Maxwell card to begin with. You keep getting screwed over by a company, again and again and again over a period of around 20 years, and still you don't get it. Honestly, my dog is faster at learning lessons than you.
Kvaern2 - Monday, September 28, 2015 - link
That may be so Lister but at least it hasn't crashed yet since I updated to this driver a few days ago.Shadow7037932 - Monday, September 28, 2015 - link
If you had bad experience with nVidia GPUs why the hell would you keep buying them?Kvaern2 - Monday, September 28, 2015 - link
Let's not make it worse than what it is.I wasn't "screwed". Just stating my observations are somewhat different than the poster I replied to.
I live in the nation in the civilized world which has the highest power prices and I need HDMI 2.0 so maxwell was it for me this generation.
piiman - Saturday, September 26, 2015 - link
"Err, because overall, in terms of driver support, feature set, and stability, it has been the case for several years now."Prove it. How about some examples so we know you aren't talking out your you know what.
Morawka - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
Nvidia drivers are available day 1 of 90% of AA and AAA titles.Nvidia drivers add SLI Profiles for most of these titles day 1
Nvidia Drivers add Settings Profile on all of these titles day 1
They are doing all of this with WHQL certification. AMD doesnt do any of that stuff. the only time they have day 1 drivers is when the game is AAA (which is like 8 games a year) and most of the time it's games they have a marketing contract with.
AMD's crossfire profiles come much much later when everyone has already beat the game and moved onto something else.
I will say one good thing about AMD, they beat nvidia to Asynchronous shaders and put nvidia on the defensive. But most people know nvidia has way better driver support. its a given, not a opinion.
SeanJ76 - Friday, September 25, 2015 - link
/nod. Everyone knows Nvidia is 300% at drivers.....Oxford Guy - Wednesday, September 30, 2015 - link
Especially the two that bricked cards and the several I've personally had cause the temporary mouse freezing problem.SeanJ76 - Friday, September 25, 2015 - link
Nope Sli is still broken in Windows 10 with the latest driverMargalus - Friday, September 25, 2015 - link
and NVidia's drivers are working fine in Win10 also. Why is it you AMD Fanbois have to come and make up shit like this to try to bash NVidia?
Akrovah - Thursday, September 24, 2015 - link
Been perfectly stable with my 970.damianrobertjones - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
Odd as I have an EVGA 970 and haven't noticed a crash... yet.My 750 ti upstairs stopped playing videos after 40 seconds until I updated to the last set but other than that perfectly fine.
djgandy - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
Yeah, the same here on a 660ti. When resuming from sleep there is WDDM recovery. Just a driver bug.HollyDOL - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
GTX 580, running Win 10 since February and except period where games wouldn't start at all (Windows issue) I still have to get any problem with graphics... Maybe older cards have had more love (weird) or just older cards enjoyed more driver polishing making it more stable even for new Windows....Oxford Guy - Wednesday, September 30, 2015 - link
Windows 10's driver has caused my GTX 460 768 MB to develop the periodic mouse freezing issue again.SeanJ76 - Friday, September 25, 2015 - link
Should of stuck with Win 7. No problems hereMargalus - Friday, September 25, 2015 - link
no problems here with Win10 and NVidia. EVGA Precision X caused a few problems in Win10, but that was EVGA's problem, not NVidia's. And now with the release of Precision 5.3.8 they seem to have ironed out the problems with that.Margalus - Friday, September 25, 2015 - link
I haven't had my 970 crash even once yet in Win 10... It's not a hardware issue.xdamm - Thursday, October 1, 2015 - link
This is a widely known issue with the previous build, mine always BSODs when closing Guild Wars 2, but the latest build fixes these crashes AFAIK.Omoronovo - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
This is the first driver update I've had that needed a restart since the early days of Windows 7. Not sure what's going on there, since I had just restarted before installing it.Do you have any information on performance improvements or specific game fixes in this driver? Some people were experiencing stuttering and some random high-latency frames with 980+ in metal gear solid with the previous drivers, 355.82. Any idea if this is fixed?
Daniel Williams - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
Unfortunately Nvidia hasn't been so detailed on what bug fixes they've issued as of late. So unfortunately I am not aware of any other game specific performance improvements.just2btecky - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
No mention of windows 10 for this driver at nVidia drivers page. What's going on...?GeForce Game Ready Driver
Version: 355.98 WHQL
Release Date: 2015.9.22
Operating System: Windows 7 64-bit, Windows 8.1 64-bit, Windows 8 64-bit, Windows Vista 64-bit
Language: English (US)
File Size: 288.27 MB
colonelclaw - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
It was the same with the previous Nvidia driver for Win10. Ignore it, they work fine.Daniel Egger - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
The release notes are still lousy since most of the problems fixed and unfixed are not even mentioned. For instance some time ago they managed to fix DSR when connected via HDMI to a receiver but since 1 or 2 releases it's broken again but just for Skyrim.Pbryanw - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
For anyone who got a BSOD on installing this driver (like me), it might be because of Kaspersky. More details here:http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?s=e955161c123...
The workaround is to boot into safe mode, install the driver, then boot back to normal mode.
SpartyOn - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
I haven't had a crash yet with any of the new drivers on my Win 10 64-bit desktop (GTX 770 4GB, CLC overclocked to GTX 780 Ti levels of performance), which was I concern when I upgraded to Win 10 because of my high core and memory clocks. No complaints here.However, my wife's Win 10 64-bit laptop (GTX 680M, overclocked to desktop GTX 670 levels) does occasionally have a wake-from-sleep brief driver crash and recovery, which it didn't before in Win 7 64-bit. I don't know if this is a Nvidia issue though, as the Killer 1103 wireless card also has issues with wake-from-sleep, along with the card reader. More likely it's a Windows 10 teething issue.
Incidentally, I'm upgrading soon anyone in the market for good condition machines ;)
Zan Lynx - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
There's a lot of praise for these rapid Nvidia driver updates but if you think about it, it is really pretty disgusting.Remember standards and APIs? Like OpenGL and DirectX? What is supposed to happen is that the game developers use the API to get what they want. So why does Nvidia have to add all kinds of special hacks into the drivers for every new game?
Supposedly they work closely with developers. So why not guide them to the best use of the API? Instead it's all "Calling this function X is slow because it also has to ... But your game doesn't need all that so here's your own very special version of function X!"
MrSpadge - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
A modern GPU driver is actually a full compiler, which translates the shader programs written in a high level shader language into assembly code understood by the GPU(s) present in the system. And that's exactly the point where optimizations happen. They do not always have to be game-specific, though. If a new game uses some function in a creative way and exposes a weakness in the current driver / compiler, the "new driver for game release X" may fix that for the general code path as well.kron123456789 - Saturday, September 26, 2015 - link
Have a GTX 750. Not a single driver crash since updating to Windows 10. What am I doing wrong?Michael Bay - Monday, September 28, 2015 - link
You`re not buying AMD, obviously. Then you`ll have your crashes!Oxford Guy - Wednesday, September 30, 2015 - link
I have yet to have a problem with my 7870. But, if I ever do you'll be the first person I'll notify.KesZerda - Sunday, September 27, 2015 - link
When I first upgraded to 10, I was having hard locks left, right and center, which got me grumpy enough to do a nuke and pave back to 8.1. After a month, I got daring again, and had the same problem. Then I looked over my mobo's site and noticed that there was a bios update from several months ago that I hadn't applied. Applying that has made my system rock stable since then. So folks with nvidia problems, check your mobo bios, that may be the issue.