Probably they had no limit originally, someone stress tested it by adding thousands of items to it and saw something (probably performance) puke, at which point the cap was added to keep it from failing if abused. Using round binary numbers instead of round decimal ones was probably just because the implementers were geeks at heart.
I'm curious if they just bumped the limit in response to complaints about the menu filling up on heavily used systems (my work win7 box has accumulated ~560 items/folders on the start menu over the years); or also improved the performance of whatever menu component's bogging down that drove the need for a cap in the first place.
Possibly because they don't have 16 or 32 bits to spare, they have 9 (now 11). Using a number range or field size that is not a multiple of 8 bits is very common, usually because you're tight for space. Even if the original number isn't a problem it can compound elsewhere.
Most likely the software is just badly written and it has some stupid limitation somewhere they're trying not to trip over.
More so than that, automated testing showed them that loading 512 32x32 pixel icons+text wouldn't go over their memory limit for that particular module. The total memory used by the icons themselves is exactly 2^24 bits (2MB, or twice the size of a regular stack allocation), which would not be particularly good for memory reduction. Throw in memory loading constraints, and performance considerations, and you can see why they would want to limit something like installed apps simply because nobody in their right mind would ever install 512 apps on a computer!
If they are actually using maximum icon size calculations, then just to display the icons you would need 1.25GB! (joke)
Well I have 765 applications in windows.... Yep, I don't need them all, but it is nice that you don't have to uninstall anything if you don't wont to....
Not sure, but I think the 1.25GB is a slipped decimal point. Windows allows icon sizes up to 256x256 (extra large icons in explorer); 256*256*4*512 is 128MB. 1.25GB would require 1024x1024 icons stored at 3 bytes/pixel instead of the standard 4 (which'd mean giving up any transparency effects).
(768x768 icons would give 1.125 GB, which's also possible I guess; but MSDN is still saying 256x256 is the biggest size so I don't think that was it.)
Vaudeville. Useless. Waste of Time. Integrating a couple of simple utilities which can be found open source on the web for free, that work much better than what Microsoft can ever bring itself to make.
It may be so, but having independent modules that do not want to poke in every corner of the system and want to know about everything you do is a better idea, every time. Linux follows the same philosophy. Small modules that do what they say they do upfront and are very good at it too. And those small utilities work fine on Windows too. For example search for "Classic Shell" and try it on your Windows 7 or 8. And if you do not like it, uninstall it (it uninstalls clean, so you do not have to worry about having to reinstall the entire OS again).
You just exposed yourself as a linux troll. Unix philosophy is to have a program do one thing, and do that one thing well. Linux philosophy is to do whatever the winds of change bring. Just look at systemd or any other myriad of linux programs that are trying to "do everything in one program." The quest to replace MS Windows has caused linux to "become" Windows.
Microsoft's OS philosophy has always been "one tool to do everything" so to complain about Microsoft integrating tools into the OS shows you simply don't like Microsoft, rather than complaining about the feature.
What is wrong with Linux? You should try and find out for yourself. Microsoft philosophy (and Apple too) has always been to milk "consumers" for what it is worth. Happy new Windows to you, Constant Installer!
It all depends on what you imagine an Operating System to enables you do? Linux seems to go for the 'a base upon which other applications run', Windows is more 'allows you to operate the PC to enable you to work/play/etc'. Neither are ideal, but this is consistent with Windows' approach.
Yes. That was Microsoft's most valiant effort. To show that they are good for something else, too. However, that failed miserably too. Microsoft is still trying to implement Windows NT correctly, or at least bring it up to the original Windows NT wish list (i.e. specification), but after two generations (people that is, not software), it is still trying. Let us wish it good luck. However, when a software company has made a habit of filing for patents of its own bugs, there is not much room left for optimism.
Seeing this kind of changes makes me hopeful that they might in future add an option for users to turn on some of the features of win8 that they removed entirely (hot corners, for example). It's great that the changes in this build appear to be there if you want/need them rather than being jarring and forced on users.
Yeah...like forced driver updates that break the system. Or forced data surveillance. Or forced Win 10 'upgrades'. Good to to see M$ isn't forcing their myopic vision on everyone. Thanks M$!
So sick of people parroting bad information. You can entirely disable automatic driver updates. System control panel, advanced system settings, hardware tab, device installation settings, select "no let me choose what to do", then select "never install driver software from windows update."
And yet when I did that, it still keeps pushing the Realtek audio control panel crap that breaks the contextual volume controls (ie the default Windows drivers remembers that I have low volume on speakers, but high volume when I plug the headphones in).
The 1997 called and said it wants it's insult back. You lame fanboys sound like such tools using "M$". That is just as stupid as Crapple or any other tired insults used by fanboys without any imagination.
Yeah, I miss hot corners as well. Funny enough, more so in desktop mode than tablet mode. The Charms menu was totally underrated, and some of its functionality should be more present in the notifications pane.
The bigger thing I want though is more tablet friendliness in Edge. Right now, the Downloads menu and other menus are completely unusable without a mouse or other pointing device.
The problem I had is the charms bar always popped up when I didn't want it to, and sometimes wouldn't pop up when I needed it. In Windows 10, I mainly hate having to go between several places whenever i want to change a setting - you still need the old control panel just as much as the "touch-friendly" windows screen. Overall I like the under-the-hood efficiency in Windows 10, but I don't think I'll ever like the UI as much as Windows 7. I still prefer ClassicShell for my start menu, although I'm giving the Windows 10 start menu an honest try.
Am i the only one that HATES the little sliders for on and off? Its to "mobile phone" looking to me. The design is not very user friendly. I had a friend text me wanting to know if when it showed "on" means it is on in that position, or does she slide it over to turn it on. lol
What i mean is, why don't they go back to how it used to be with Check boxes. Then you know instantly at first glance. The way it is now you try to read like a book left to right. Very annoying.
I will look for a UI skin that changes it if i can.
The 1983 Apple Lisa was designed with clickable boxes. Now we're in 2015 and MS is too stupid to figure out something that Apple's UI people discovered 32 years ago.
They intentionally moved away from check boxes because they didn't work as well as a slider in their usability studies for touch input. Considering both Apple and Google do the same thing with sliders on their touch devices, they're not exactly breaking new ground here.
I would just like (for desktop users) all the setting in one window. I'm constantly going back and forth (or at least was while settings things up) between the touch settings window, and the Control panel.
Agreed. Checkboxes are a much more intuitive way to identify state. The reason physical toggle switches work is because both the On and Off indicators are always visible and it's also easy to see which way the toggle is pointing. When you drop to nearly flat shapes with only color as an indicator it becomes virtually impossible to guarantee everyone will understand at first glance which direction the toggle is pointing let alone which direction they need to point it to achieve their desired state. At least Apple's toggles aren't quite flat - the little circle with drop shadow more clearly represents the toggle itself. Unfortunately, even on Apple they only show one indicator at a time and it's up to you to figure out if that indicator means that's what the toggle is currently set to or if moving the toggle over to that side will set it to that state.
This stuff should be common sense. I just don't understand how people can mess it up so badly and still get paid for their work.
Look at the accent color man. It's not incredibly hard: the accent color is on, white-ish is off. Not entirely unlike checkboxes, but more functional. And better than checkboxes: the accent color is visible for more than 12 total pixels.
What would be nice is to be able to delete the suggested previously used e-mail addresses offered when a photo is shared from the photos app via e-mail. It's mind numbing that those cannot be easily right-clicked on and deleted. The Win10 box I set up for my Mother - she promptly accidentally shared a picture to an incorrect e-mail address. And now it sits there constantly offering to send it to that wrong address again for her. She is elderly and not that great with computers so while it's a small thing it's actually kind of a big PITA that she has to remember the subtle difference in the correct address and be sure to choose the right one to successfully share a pic to that person.
You should use the feedback mechanism built into Windows 10 to suggest they fix that rather than bitching about it on some website. I've found they take feedback pretty seriously.
You should use the feedback mechanism built into Windows 10 to suggest they fix that rather than bitching about it on some website. I've found they take feedback pretty seriously.
Anyone know if you can get Edge Preview build by itself? Or is it too integrated into Win 10 to have two of them? How do they expect devs to take up Edge?
I would hope it's not too integrated. I'd hope they learned something from there mistakes with IE and the problems heavy integration and circular dependancies can have.
I'd be nice to see Edge ported back to older OSes since Win7 will probably be holding on heavily in corporate markets for a few more years, so offering Edge to older OSes would help MS defend against user share erosion from Chrome/Firefox. A situation that will only get worse as IE11 becomes more outdated and becomes a bigger cross browser compatibility challenge.
The main counter argument is also fairly solid from the engineering perspective of the IE team. Being limited to the Win7 API level, or having to write large numbers of OS compatibility shims is not just a lot of work; it also undermines the entire One Version of Windows Forevermore paradigm that the company is focused on.
Corporate markets are encouraged to use Enterprise versions of Windows 10. Edge isn't supported on the Long Term Service Branch of Enterprise either. Edge is not focused on the corporate market, so don't expect to see it on Windows 7.
Edge is written as a "Universal" app, so it will only run on Windows 10. It's not an issue of integration into Windows 10, but older OS's not supporting the "Universal" framework.
Feature request: allow us to use the Cortana speach recognition technology to dictate text into any field that accepts text. Use some Win+Key combination and the context menu to activate. That would be a real major upgrade for many. And make it less akward to talk to your computer, if it's regularly of visible benefit. (yes, I know this is not a new request)
Well, even more needed feature would be direct sound back to windows... The MS has put more effort to gaming, so maybe there is a way of getting MS to think about it...
You should use the feedback mechanism built into Windows 10 to suggest they fix that rather than bitching about it on some website. I've found they take feedback pretty seriously.
Happy to see Cortana can be used with a local account-- that is actually more than I hoped they would do.
I hoped they would allow us to use Cortana without forcing us to change our windows login to a Microsoft account, much like how the Windows Store works. But changing it to be completely divorced from a Microsoft account is even better.
Think it was on neowin or arstechinca, cant remember, but you still do need a MS account for cortana to work, you just dont need the MS account to be your windows login account.
So you log in with local account on the computer, if you load up cortana, then you would have to log in with the MS account to use it, similar to the windows store
Which to be fair, should have how it been since the beginning. If you log in with a local account anything that need a MS account should have the option of logging into that with the MS account separately
I have more user choice and not "share everything with Microsoft by default" with Windows 7. Obviously you didn't look at Windows 10 settings. I did. I was appalled, and I uninstalled it.
I would still recommend installing "startisback.com" and setting with Windows 8 or 10 to look like Windows 7. That's what I did. The benefits of Windows 10, but with the easy start menu, which I prefer, of Windows 7!!!! Life is good again.
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ibudic1 - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Am I really the first one? I don't get the maximum app thingy either. If it has to be some power of 2, I wonder why not have like a ^16, or ^32...DanNeely - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Probably they had no limit originally, someone stress tested it by adding thousands of items to it and saw something (probably performance) puke, at which point the cap was added to keep it from failing if abused. Using round binary numbers instead of round decimal ones was probably just because the implementers were geeks at heart.I'm curious if they just bumped the limit in response to complaints about the menu filling up on heavily used systems (my work win7 box has accumulated ~560 items/folders on the start menu over the years); or also improved the performance of whatever menu component's bogging down that drove the need for a cap in the first place.
prisonerX - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Possibly because they don't have 16 or 32 bits to spare, they have 9 (now 11). Using a number range or field size that is not a multiple of 8 bits is very common, usually because you're tight for space. Even if the original number isn't a problem it can compound elsewhere.Most likely the software is just badly written and it has some stupid limitation somewhere they're trying not to trip over.
basroil - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
More so than that, automated testing showed them that loading 512 32x32 pixel icons+text wouldn't go over their memory limit for that particular module. The total memory used by the icons themselves is exactly 2^24 bits (2MB, or twice the size of a regular stack allocation), which would not be particularly good for memory reduction. Throw in memory loading constraints, and performance considerations, and you can see why they would want to limit something like installed apps simply because nobody in their right mind would ever install 512 apps on a computer!If they are actually using maximum icon size calculations, then just to display the icons you would need 1.25GB! (joke)
haukionkannel - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Well I have 765 applications in windows.... Yep, I don't need them all, but it is nice that you don't have to uninstall anything if you don't wont to....Gigaplex - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
How do you get 2MB for a 32x32 bitmap with a bit of text?DanNeely - Sunday, September 20, 2015 - link
32*32 is 1024 pixels. 4 bytes/pixel for color gives 4k/icon. 512 icons gives 2MB of memory for just the icons; which is what basroil said.Gigaplex - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
The way I read it, I thought they were saying 2MB per icon, for a total of 1.25GB. My bad.DanNeely - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
Not sure, but I think the 1.25GB is a slipped decimal point. Windows allows icon sizes up to 256x256 (extra large icons in explorer); 256*256*4*512 is 128MB. 1.25GB would require 1024x1024 icons stored at 3 bytes/pixel instead of the standard 4 (which'd mean giving up any transparency effects).(768x768 icons would give 1.125 GB, which's also possible I guess; but MSDN is still saying 256x256 is the biggest size so I don't think that was it.)
mr_tawan - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
I'd imagine the code would be something like (oversimplified :- )class StartMenu {
MenuItem* menuitem[2048];
...
}
versesuvius - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Vaudeville. Useless. Waste of Time. Integrating a couple of simple utilities which can be found open source on the web for free, that work much better than what Microsoft can ever bring itself to make.damianrobertjones - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Maybe people just want the option IN the OS instead of messing around with further applications?versesuvius - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
It may be so, but having independent modules that do not want to poke in every corner of the system and want to know about everything you do is a better idea, every time. Linux follows the same philosophy. Small modules that do what they say they do upfront and are very good at it too. And those small utilities work fine on Windows too. For example search for "Classic Shell" and try it on your Windows 7 or 8. And if you do not like it, uninstall it (it uninstalls clean, so you do not have to worry about having to reinstall the entire OS again).jardows2 - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
You just exposed yourself as a linux troll. Unix philosophy is to have a program do one thing, and do that one thing well. Linux philosophy is to do whatever the winds of change bring. Just look at systemd or any other myriad of linux programs that are trying to "do everything in one program." The quest to replace MS Windows has caused linux to "become" Windows.Microsoft's OS philosophy has always been "one tool to do everything" so to complain about Microsoft integrating tools into the OS shows you simply don't like Microsoft, rather than complaining about the feature.
versesuvius - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
What is wrong with Linux? You should try and find out for yourself. Microsoft philosophy (and Apple too) has always been to milk "consumers" for what it is worth. Happy new Windows to you, Constant Installer!cjb110 - Tuesday, September 22, 2015 - link
It all depends on what you imagine an Operating System to enables you do? Linux seems to go for the 'a base upon which other applications run', Windows is more 'allows you to operate the PC to enable you to work/play/etc'. Neither are ideal, but this is consistent with Windows' approach.Manch - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
If that was the case, then Win 8 would have been a done well...versesuvius - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
Yes. That was Microsoft's most valiant effort. To show that they are good for something else, too. However, that failed miserably too. Microsoft is still trying to implement Windows NT correctly, or at least bring it up to the original Windows NT wish list (i.e. specification), but after two generations (people that is, not software), it is still trying. Let us wish it good luck. However, when a software company has made a habit of filing for patents of its own bugs, there is not much room left for optimism.NZLion - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Seeing this kind of changes makes me hopeful that they might in future add an option for users to turn on some of the features of win8 that they removed entirely (hot corners, for example).It's great that the changes in this build appear to be there if you want/need them rather than being jarring and forced on users.
ClockHound - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Yeah...like forced driver updates that break the system. Or forced data surveillance. Or forced Win 10 'upgrades'. Good to to see M$ isn't forcing their myopic vision on everyone. Thanks M$!B3an - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Just fuck off you retarded twat.Oxford Guy - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
You first.Gigaplex - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
I've already been bitten by forced driver updates that cause issues.damianrobertjones - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
I'd rather have updates than not have updates.Oxford Guy - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
I'd rather have sockeye than red herring.Despoiler - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
So sick of people parroting bad information. You can entirely disable automatic driver updates. System control panel, advanced system settings, hardware tab, device installation settings, select "no let me choose what to do", then select "never install driver software from windows update."Gigaplex - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
And yet when I did that, it still keeps pushing the Realtek audio control panel crap that breaks the contextual volume controls (ie the default Windows drivers remembers that I have low volume on speakers, but high volume when I plug the headphones in).lmcd - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
I think the bigger issue is the terrible nature of the Realtek audio drivers. Someone needs to tell them to get a clue.lamerz4391 - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
The 1997 called and said it wants it's insult back. You lame fanboys sound like such tools using "M$". That is just as stupid as Crapple or any other tired insults used by fanboys without any imagination.kmmatney - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
Windoze sucks!lmcd - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
Yeah, I miss hot corners as well. Funny enough, more so in desktop mode than tablet mode. The Charms menu was totally underrated, and some of its functionality should be more present in the notifications pane.The bigger thing I want though is more tablet friendliness in Edge. Right now, the Downloads menu and other menus are completely unusable without a mouse or other pointing device.
kmmatney - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
The problem I had is the charms bar always popped up when I didn't want it to, and sometimes wouldn't pop up when I needed it. In Windows 10, I mainly hate having to go between several places whenever i want to change a setting - you still need the old control panel just as much as the "touch-friendly" windows screen. Overall I like the under-the-hood efficiency in Windows 10, but I don't think I'll ever like the UI as much as Windows 7. I still prefer ClassicShell for my start menu, although I'm giving the Windows 10 start menu an honest try.imaheadcase - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Am i the only one that HATES the little sliders for on and off? Its to "mobile phone" looking to me. The design is not very user friendly. I had a friend text me wanting to know if when it showed "on" means it is on in that position, or does she slide it over to turn it on. lolimaheadcase - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
What i mean is, why don't they go back to how it used to be with Check boxes. Then you know instantly at first glance. The way it is now you try to read like a book left to right. Very annoying.I will look for a UI skin that changes it if i can.
bug77 - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
No you're not. Those controls tell you they should be dragged, instead of pressed. Big usability fail.damianrobertjones - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Pointless. It's not like we're constantly changing those settings.Oxford Guy - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
The 1983 Apple Lisa was designed with clickable boxes. Now we're in 2015 and MS is too stupid to figure out something that Apple's UI people discovered 32 years ago.That's progress for you.
Gigaplex - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
They intentionally moved away from check boxes because they didn't work as well as a slider in their usability studies for touch input. Considering both Apple and Google do the same thing with sliders on their touch devices, they're not exactly breaking new ground here.kmmatney - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
I would just like (for desktop users) all the setting in one window. I'm constantly going back and forth (or at least was while settings things up) between the touch settings window, and the Control panel.Fiernaq - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
Agreed. Checkboxes are a much more intuitive way to identify state. The reason physical toggle switches work is because both the On and Off indicators are always visible and it's also easy to see which way the toggle is pointing. When you drop to nearly flat shapes with only color as an indicator it becomes virtually impossible to guarantee everyone will understand at first glance which direction the toggle is pointing let alone which direction they need to point it to achieve their desired state. At least Apple's toggles aren't quite flat - the little circle with drop shadow more clearly represents the toggle itself. Unfortunately, even on Apple they only show one indicator at a time and it's up to you to figure out if that indicator means that's what the toggle is currently set to or if moving the toggle over to that side will set it to that state.This stuff should be common sense. I just don't understand how people can mess it up so badly and still get paid for their work.
lmcd - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
The color is a good indicator on desktop too. I don't get what the problem is.lmcd - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
Look at the accent color man. It's not incredibly hard: the accent color is on, white-ish is off. Not entirely unlike checkboxes, but more functional. And better than checkboxes: the accent color is visible for more than 12 total pixels.Shanika - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
blahhhhhhhhh more tiles!!I don't even use the tiles so who care really!!!
Bonesdad - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Possibly people who DO use tiles? Perhaps those who don't care that you don't use tiles?savagemike - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
What would be nice is to be able to delete the suggested previously used e-mail addresses offered when a photo is shared from the photos app via e-mail.It's mind numbing that those cannot be easily right-clicked on and deleted.
The Win10 box I set up for my Mother - she promptly accidentally shared a picture to an incorrect e-mail address. And now it sits there constantly offering to send it to that wrong address again for her. She is elderly and not that great with computers so while it's a small thing it's actually kind of a big PITA that she has to remember the subtle difference in the correct address and be sure to choose the right one to successfully share a pic to that person.
29a - Sunday, September 20, 2015 - link
You should use the feedback mechanism built into Windows 10 to suggest they fix that rather than bitching about it on some website. I've found they take feedback pretty seriously.Oxford Guy - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
I suggest that you figure out what the points of having comments here are because you're missing them.Michael Bay - Tuesday, September 22, 2015 - link
AT is not your echochamber.Walkop - Wednesday, September 23, 2015 - link
But it is yours.BANGCRSHHHSHSHSSHEXPLODEBAMKABLOOEYCRSMASH
~A Michael Bay production
AndreyATGB - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
I hope they add a refresh rate menu in advanced display settings without having to go to display adapter properties. Pretty stupid oversight IMO.29a - Sunday, September 20, 2015 - link
You should use the feedback mechanism built into Windows 10 to suggest they fix that rather than bitching about it on some website. I've found they take feedback pretty seriously.WaltC - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
last build, 10532, featured memory compression changes, which didn't strike me as "cosmetic"...;)blahsaysblah - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Anyone know if you can get Edge Preview build by itself? Or is it too integrated into Win 10 to have two of them? How do they expect devs to take up Edge?Wardrop - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
I would hope it's not too integrated. I'd hope they learned something from there mistakes with IE and the problems heavy integration and circular dependancies can have.DanNeely - Sunday, September 20, 2015 - link
I'd be nice to see Edge ported back to older OSes since Win7 will probably be holding on heavily in corporate markets for a few more years, so offering Edge to older OSes would help MS defend against user share erosion from Chrome/Firefox. A situation that will only get worse as IE11 becomes more outdated and becomes a bigger cross browser compatibility challenge.The main counter argument is also fairly solid from the engineering perspective of the IE team. Being limited to the Win7 API level, or having to write large numbers of OS compatibility shims is not just a lot of work; it also undermines the entire One Version of Windows Forevermore paradigm that the company is focused on.
Gigaplex - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
Corporate markets are encouraged to use Enterprise versions of Windows 10. Edge isn't supported on the Long Term Service Branch of Enterprise either. Edge is not focused on the corporate market, so don't expect to see it on Windows 7.DanNeely - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
Wow. I guess some things never change, that move is classic old/bad MS, the OS slitting the Edge team's throat.brikbot - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
Edge is written as a "Universal" app, so it will only run on Windows 10. It's not an issue of integration into Windows 10, but older OS's not supporting the "Universal" framework.kn00tcn - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
i thought there was a recently WU to port some framework features backMrSpadge - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Feature request: allow us to use the Cortana speach recognition technology to dictate text into any field that accepts text. Use some Win+Key combination and the context menu to activate. That would be a real major upgrade for many. And make it less akward to talk to your computer, if it's regularly of visible benefit.(yes, I know this is not a new request)
haukionkannel - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Well, even more needed feature would be direct sound back to windows... The MS has put more effort to gaming, so maybe there is a way of getting MS to think about it...29a - Sunday, September 20, 2015 - link
You should use the feedback mechanism built into Windows 10 to suggest they fix that rather than bitching about it on some website. I've found they take feedback pretty seriously.schizoide - Saturday, September 19, 2015 - link
Happy to see Cortana can be used with a local account-- that is actually more than I hoped they would do.I hoped they would allow us to use Cortana without forcing us to change our windows login to a Microsoft account, much like how the Windows Store works. But changing it to be completely divorced from a Microsoft account is even better.
Dahak - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
Think it was on neowin or arstechinca, cant remember, but you still do need a MS account for cortana to work, you just dont need the MS account to be your windows login account.So you log in with local account on the computer, if you load up cortana, then you would have to log in with the MS account to use it, similar to the windows store
Dahak - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
crap.. no edit button...Which to be fair, should have how it been since the beginning. If you log in with a local account anything that need a MS account should have the option of logging into that with the MS account separately
colonelclaw - Monday, September 21, 2015 - link
As well as 'Show more tiles', I'd like to see a 'Show no tiles, just text lists' option. I'm not holding my breathJonnyDough - Tuesday, September 22, 2015 - link
Nothing about privacy settings? I'll keep on passing on Windows 9 then. Thanks.Michael Bay - Tuesday, September 22, 2015 - link
Enjoy the same muh privacy bullshit on any other OS then, it`s oh so much better.JonnyDough - Tuesday, September 22, 2015 - link
I have more user choice and not "share everything with Microsoft by default" with Windows 7. Obviously you didn't look at Windows 10 settings. I did. I was appalled, and I uninstalled it.Michael Bay - Saturday, September 26, 2015 - link
Again, for feebleminded: enjoy the same muh privacy bullshit on any other OS.bigbrave - Saturday, September 26, 2015 - link
I would still recommend installing "startisback.com" and setting with Windows 8 or 10 to look like Windows 7. That's what I did. The benefits of Windows 10, but with the easy start menu, which I prefer, of Windows 7!!!! Life is good again.