as far as avx512 is concerned, only xeons will have it enabled. Unless they changed something at the last minute (probably not possible, as the i7 skylake cpus are already on the market)
I want to see Intel elaborating on the dwindling IPC improvements and overclock potential of their high end / enthusiast lineup. Back to monopoly mode?
"dwindling IPC improvements": it's known since a few decades that improving IPC gets harder the better you already are. And more like exponentially harder, not just a little bit. that's why ARM made so massive improvements during the last years - they started at a rather low level.
Actually, intel would be able to offer much better performance if it didn't feel obligated to cram IGPs into high end products. I'd take 50 to 75% more cores over IGP any day.
Also, IPC aside, what is the reason "more advanced process" overclocking worse than the previous one? At worse, it should be "no improvement" - overclock like the previous generation. But when we have a decrease compared to previous gen, we are not talking about "getting better" at all.
Well, Skylake turns back the OC regression, and they'll happily sell you a hexa core sans IGP for $380 on X99... There's no incentive for them to sell cheap octos without competition or mass market demand.
I doubt they're wondering that, they know the mass market isn't demanding octos... Just our little enthusiast niche. The mass market went mobile, which is what Intel's been chasing for years.
If the mass market is demanding something, you've already failed. When you give people things that they didn't know they needed, that gets people's attention.
Meanwhile Intel was dragged kicking and screaming into the 64 bit age and they're chasing the mobile market they dismissed some time ago, running and pleading. You know you're a great innovator when you're giving away billions of dollars a year so that customers can use your CPUs for free.
the easiest way to increase IPC is to increase clock speeds to 6 Ghz and beyond. they need a architecture built from the ground up to run that fast. instead of using copper, use something better.
IPC == instructions per clock. Increasing the clock rate almost always comes with an IPC hit (on the same process node / area), because the time between clocks is shorter.
Yup. As clock speeds increase, you get more wasted clock ticks occurring during a cache / RAM access. If it takes 15 cycles to access cache on processor A, processor B with twice the frequency will take about 30. 100 cycles to access RAM becomes 200, etc...
Needless to say, that hits the IPC negatively - you do still get more instructions done per unit of time, but on average you need more cycles to complete a given job.
..........and yet you felt the need to make a stupid ass statement like that. Please enlighten us because you sound as you know a processor inside and out. If you think he doesnt know dick about what makes a cpu work please show us. Dont be a scrub like the other 80 percent of people on here and put some facts with your claims. I dont care to hear some basement virgin making claims from youtube videos or forums with other little morons like yourself thinking they know how a CPU works.
I'd add a variant to this complaint. Apart from the memory stuff (ie the MICRON stuff), what here was actually Intel specific? If you suggested I build any of these things, whether smart-bike or baby-tracking clip or vending machine spy, why would my chip of choice be Quark rather than some ARM part?
some gizmo to let you know if your baby's in your car!? If you need to rely on tech gadgets to tell you this, you need tech gadgets for much more help in your life
If you're considering a tech gadget for something like this, it might be time to instead get rid of your distracting tech gadgets and pay more attention to the world around you.
I'm afraid you are misinformed. When people leave their kids in the car, it is often a mistake brought about by a slight change in routine. A sleeping child in the back of a car can easily make no noise at all, and someone who is stressed can unfortunately easily forget to drop them off. It's a human trait, and a terrible one at that. Having technology to reduce this risk is a good thing on every level. I don't think having it as an add-on device makes any sense at all though, since most people take your opinion, where they will obviously never make that mistake - until they make it.
Tech like this needs to be built into cars or at least car seats, and then it will likely do well. This is obviously a demo but it's an important demo.
This I agree on completely. Seems like something like a Bluetooth LE built in "transponder" where if you move out of range of it while activated, it sets an alert off on your phone. So it is deactivated when you unclip the harness and activates when you clip it.
As a parent of two now successful and functional children, I can safely say that I've never, ever forgotten that they exist or left them laying someplace as if they're a shopping bag. Though I have nothing against tagging them with a GPS since there are so many disgusting kidnappers out there in the world, a parent of young children who forgets their child needs to look long and hard at the distractions they allow into their lives and life's complexities in and adjust priorities so they can handle their responsibility for the lives of others. Technology isn't a magic bullet that will solve parent problems.
Attitudes like this are the reason no kids stray more than 5 feet from their parents and my kids have no one to play with outside. It's sad when fear ruins a generation.
I have to disagree. Now, maybe tech gadgets have made things worse, but sheesh, it isn't like suddenly people started forgetting babies in cars 5 or 10 years ago. It has been happening since car seats have been a thing. Crap, I'd consider my mother to be a pretty decent mother, but she still accidently left myself and my brother at the grocery store once, back in, oh it was probably '86 or so. Drove home before she looked in the rearview mirror and noticed we weren't there and came back for us. I'll grant at the time it was all of a 90 seconds drive from the grocery store to our house, but LONG before tech gadgets. People can be forgetful sometimes and tech gadgets have nothing to do with it.
Something gains more attention when tragedy hits near to home: http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2015... I wish this technology is advanced and ubiquitous enough for something like that to never happen again.
I agree the meme's gone too far, being proud of not wanting an inexpensive gadget to give an extra safety layer to protect against something that happens all the time from slight routine changes when it is literally the life of your child on the line is way over the top.
Wearable tech always struck me as silly looking. So far, very few of these wearable things has really offered anything appealing and they're sorely lacking in appeal from a fashion sense perspective. Watches in particular look big and awkward rather than attractive and they're clearly designed exclusively for men to wear them. Most of them would end up being an armband on the average, healthy woman.
Yep, bulky ugly and useless. Intel is talking so much about those possible applications and sponsoring this idea competition to get help with from the outside. They want this market to succeed, but know it's going to take better applications than this.
"Clip to let you know if you left your kid in the car"
If you need something to remind you that your kid is with you, you need to have your kid taken from you, and get spayed or neutered. That's beyond pathetic.
I suspect the people repeating these comments do not have children of their own. I've never left mine in a car before (by accident). As someone earlier mentioned, it is usually a result of a change in routine combined with stress. For example one parent does all of the school drop-off, but can't one day. Other parent is taking them to daycare, but has horrible traffic, is stressed about a big meeting at work and forgets about their kid in the back seat because they feel asleep. Again, I haven't done anything remotely like that, but I'd done stupid things a couple of times like driven completely past my exit because I was distracted by something else and I had to go somewhere else that day instead of straight to work...realizing it a few exits later, or only after pulling in to the parking lot at work.
I'd notch this one up to helping reduce the chances of an unlikely (if you are a decent parent) event from occurring. Nothing is a zero sum game in life. Even if you consider someone a terrible parent if they could ever do something like that...is it a bad thing if we work to reduce the odds of stupid people doing fatal things? Last I checked, drunk driving kills a SHED load of people every year. I'd very much consider that to be an entirely preventable thing from happening. I don't see most people saying that drunk drivers should be beaten behind the court house and never drive again (oh, a handful say that maybe). Wouldn't everyone welcome something that could prevent any drunk driving?
If you need a car seat to keep your kid safe, you clearly aren't driving safely and need to have your kid taken from you and to be forcibly sterilized.
If you really let your pride get in the way of using something inexpensive to protect the life of your child, you're dangerously irresponsible at best, and my condolences go out to any children you impart your risk-taking on or heavens forbid kill by deliberately and willfully failing to take reasonable precautions
Bullshit. Nothing a real "developer" could not do with a 80486 DX if it ran so much RAM and so many GHZs. Makes you feel sorry for the word "compute". This is vaudeville. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaudeville
They were pushing that the audience were developers, and that Intel was providing tools, but that the job of using the tools was in the audience. Bigger and faster chips isn't going to increase the Intel market share, it's embedding Quark in 100's of devices on a person or in their home. IDF was really focused on doing more than just selling x86 processors to the usual subjects.
The example applications shown seem contrived and have little room to actually grow into significant markets (especially compared to PCs). Most of them are *highly* discretionary purchases, too.
They've also got competition in these new segments: Raspberry Pi and Arduino got there first for hobbyists. Oculus is there in VR. A whole bunch of companies are already in home automation.
Sure, these companies could become Intel customers, but they would be buying CHIPS not mood-sensitive doorbells or whatever, so why not talk about the chips? How about some comparative marketing against the elephant in that particular room (ARM)? Patronising your potential customers doesn't seem a good way to win them over.
I'd like to know why desktop processors are starting to go in the wrong direction performance wise. Sure the onboard video keeps getting better but who cares? If you are using notepad - the new video won't help you. If you are playing crysis, the onboard video still sucks so you'll end up buying a separate video card anyways. For those of us who convert and edit video, faster processing is what we need, not a faster onboard video. So in effect their new processor helps the fewest people possible.
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nathanddrews - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
I want to see some GT4e performance data!MrSpadge - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
And details on which (desktop) models GT4e will be used. And if any other desktop models get the eDRAM cache.And what about AVX-512? Which CPUs will have it enabled and what will be the benefit (for pure number-crunching software)?
What about OC of non-K Skylakes? Can we still use the "multicore enhancement"? What about a small BCLK OC?
SuperVeloce - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
as far as avx512 is concerned, only xeons will have it enabled. Unless they changed something at the last minute (probably not possible, as the i7 skylake cpus are already on the market)ddriver - Friday, August 21, 2015 - link
That would suck big time. I hope at least skylake-e will get it thou...ddriver - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
I want to see Intel elaborating on the dwindling IPC improvements and overclock potential of their high end / enthusiast lineup. Back to monopoly mode?nandnandnand - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
inb4 AMD Zen forces Intel Kaby Lake to be goodSunLord - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Well it's not impossible but it's unlikely Kaby would be bad let alone under perform Zen unless AMD executes to perfection on the first tryRefuge - Monday, August 24, 2015 - link
The day they dont' fumble is the day I shit a rainbow.MrSpadge - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
"dwindling IPC improvements": it's known since a few decades that improving IPC gets harder the better you already are. And more like exponentially harder, not just a little bit. that's why ARM made so massive improvements during the last years - they started at a rather low level.Fergy - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Keep in mind ARM did it without going 90 watts and huge expensive chips.BillyONeal - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
They were also not doing it on processes measured in micrometers. What's your point?ddriver - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Actually, intel would be able to offer much better performance if it didn't feel obligated to cram IGPs into high end products. I'd take 50 to 75% more cores over IGP any day.Morawka - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
and they would charge you 400% more on the same silicon a IGP would use.Jon Tseng - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
Agreed. Although they already have these products they're called Xeons... But they're gonna cost ya!ddriver - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
Also, can't overclock...MrSpadge - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
They're called Haswell E.ddriver - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Also, IPC aside, what is the reason "more advanced process" overclocking worse than the previous one? At worse, it should be "no improvement" - overclock like the previous generation. But when we have a decrease compared to previous gen, we are not talking about "getting better" at all.BillyONeal - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Very few customers overclock; I'd wager less than 1%. Any path that's "faster than it needs to be" for the stock clock rate is wasted power.Impulses - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Well, Skylake turns back the OC regression, and they'll happily sell you a hexa core sans IGP for $380 on X99... There's no incentive for them to sell cheap octos without competition or mass market demand.boeush - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
The irony: octacores on smart phones and tablets, years in advance of PCs. And then Intel wonders where all the customers disappeared to...Impulses - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
I doubt they're wondering that, they know the mass market isn't demanding octos... Just our little enthusiast niche. The mass market went mobile, which is what Intel's been chasing for years.prisonerX - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
If the mass market is demanding something, you've already failed. When you give people things that they didn't know they needed, that gets people's attention.Meanwhile Intel was dragged kicking and screaming into the 64 bit age and they're chasing the mobile market they dismissed some time ago, running and pleading. You know you're a great innovator when you're giving away billions of dollars a year so that customers can use your CPUs for free.
Morawka - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
the easiest way to increase IPC is to increase clock speeds to 6 Ghz and beyond. they need a architecture built from the ground up to run that fast. instead of using copper, use something better.BillyONeal - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
IPC == instructions per clock. Increasing the clock rate almost always comes with an IPC hit (on the same process node / area), because the time between clocks is shorter.DarkXale - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Yup. As clock speeds increase, you get more wasted clock ticks occurring during a cache / RAM access. If it takes 15 cycles to access cache on processor A, processor B with twice the frequency will take about 30. 100 cycles to access RAM becomes 200, etc...Needless to say, that hits the IPC negatively - you do still get more instructions done per unit of time, but on average you need more cycles to complete a given job.
JKflipflop98 - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
. . . or you don't know dick about what makes a CPU work. One or the other.Schecter1989 - Thursday, September 3, 2015 - link
..........and yet you felt the need to make a stupid ass statement like that. Please enlighten us because you sound as you know a processor inside and out. If you think he doesnt know dick about what makes a cpu work please show us. Dont be a scrub like the other 80 percent of people on here and put some facts with your claims. I dont care to hear some basement virgin making claims from youtube videos or forums with other little morons like yourself thinking they know how a CPU works.8steve8 - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
yes, I want to know about GT4e SKUs with eDRAMnandnandnand - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Is desktop Skylake still dead since the Anandtech benchmarks?Seconded on GT4e
gregers - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Are any of the presentations live-streamed at all?nandnandnand - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
"Clip to let you know if you left your kid in the car"Intel left Skylake in the car, hurt IPC.
beep - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
All this futuristic tech stuff, when are you going to talk skylake chips availability, I want to build my new PC now!name99 - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
I'd add a variant to this complaint.Apart from the memory stuff (ie the MICRON stuff), what here was actually Intel specific? If you suggested I build any of these things, whether smart-bike or baby-tracking clip or vending machine spy, why would my chip of choice be Quark rather than some ARM part?
witeken - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
The Intel RealSense stuff.MrSpadge - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
They're pretty proud of this RealSense as a technology package.beep - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
some gizmo to let you know if your baby's in your car!? If you need to rely on tech gadgets to tell you this, you need tech gadgets for much more help in your lifeMrSpadge - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
I really hope that was presented with a good dose of sarcasm.FunBunny2 - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Not me, but if I had made such an observation, not an ounce of sarcasm.BrokenCrayons - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
If you're considering a tech gadget for something like this, it might be time to instead get rid of your distracting tech gadgets and pay more attention to the world around you.Brett Howse - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
I'm afraid you are misinformed. When people leave their kids in the car, it is often a mistake brought about by a slight change in routine. A sleeping child in the back of a car can easily make no noise at all, and someone who is stressed can unfortunately easily forget to drop them off. It's a human trait, and a terrible one at that. Having technology to reduce this risk is a good thing on every level. I don't think having it as an add-on device makes any sense at all though, since most people take your opinion, where they will obviously never make that mistake - until they make it.Tech like this needs to be built into cars or at least car seats, and then it will likely do well. This is obviously a demo but it's an important demo.
azazel1024 - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
This I agree on completely. Seems like something like a Bluetooth LE built in "transponder" where if you move out of range of it while activated, it sets an alert off on your phone. So it is deactivated when you unclip the harness and activates when you clip it.BrokenCrayons - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
As a parent of two now successful and functional children, I can safely say that I've never, ever forgotten that they exist or left them laying someplace as if they're a shopping bag. Though I have nothing against tagging them with a GPS since there are so many disgusting kidnappers out there in the world, a parent of young children who forgets their child needs to look long and hard at the distractions they allow into their lives and life's complexities in and adjust priorities so they can handle their responsibility for the lives of others. Technology isn't a magic bullet that will solve parent problems.bji - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
"So many disgusting kidnappers out there"Attitudes like this are the reason no kids stray more than 5 feet from their parents and my kids have no one to play with outside. It's sad when fear ruins a generation.
azazel1024 - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
I have to disagree. Now, maybe tech gadgets have made things worse, but sheesh, it isn't like suddenly people started forgetting babies in cars 5 or 10 years ago. It has been happening since car seats have been a thing. Crap, I'd consider my mother to be a pretty decent mother, but she still accidently left myself and my brother at the grocery store once, back in, oh it was probably '86 or so. Drove home before she looked in the rearview mirror and noticed we weren't there and came back for us. I'll grant at the time it was all of a 90 seconds drive from the grocery store to our house, but LONG before tech gadgets. People can be forgetful sometimes and tech gadgets have nothing to do with it.atkas - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
Something gains more attention when tragedy hits near to home:http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2015...
I wish this technology is advanced and ubiquitous enough for something like that to never happen again.
beep - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
that vending machine that identifies the user, is it to tell them that this is your 5th chocolate bar, perhaps you should reconsider?MrSpadge - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
No, it's going to wave another chocolate bar at you once you're about to stop at number 5.Shadowmaster625 - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
A device that tells you if you left your kid in the car? This whole "stupid and proud of it" meme has gone way to far.xthetenth - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
I agree the meme's gone too far, being proud of not wanting an inexpensive gadget to give an extra safety layer to protect against something that happens all the time from slight routine changes when it is literally the life of your child on the line is way over the top.BrokenCrayons - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Wearable tech always struck me as silly looking. So far, very few of these wearable things has really offered anything appealing and they're sorely lacking in appeal from a fashion sense perspective. Watches in particular look big and awkward rather than attractive and they're clearly designed exclusively for men to wear them. Most of them would end up being an armband on the average, healthy woman.MrSpadge - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Yep, bulky ugly and useless. Intel is talking so much about those possible applications and sponsoring this idea competition to get help with from the outside. They want this market to succeed, but know it's going to take better applications than this.prime2515103 - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Thank you for ordering this earliest to latest so I didn't have to scroll to the bottom of the page first.AndrewJacksonZA - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
+1. Thank you.prime2515103 - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
"Clip to let you know if you left your kid in the car"If you need something to remind you that your kid is with you, you need to have your kid taken from you, and get spayed or neutered. That's beyond pathetic.
azazel1024 - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
I suspect the people repeating these comments do not have children of their own. I've never left mine in a car before (by accident). As someone earlier mentioned, it is usually a result of a change in routine combined with stress. For example one parent does all of the school drop-off, but can't one day. Other parent is taking them to daycare, but has horrible traffic, is stressed about a big meeting at work and forgets about their kid in the back seat because they feel asleep. Again, I haven't done anything remotely like that, but I'd done stupid things a couple of times like driven completely past my exit because I was distracted by something else and I had to go somewhere else that day instead of straight to work...realizing it a few exits later, or only after pulling in to the parking lot at work.I'd notch this one up to helping reduce the chances of an unlikely (if you are a decent parent) event from occurring. Nothing is a zero sum game in life. Even if you consider someone a terrible parent if they could ever do something like that...is it a bad thing if we work to reduce the odds of stupid people doing fatal things? Last I checked, drunk driving kills a SHED load of people every year. I'd very much consider that to be an entirely preventable thing from happening. I don't see most people saying that drunk drivers should be beaten behind the court house and never drive again (oh, a handful say that maybe). Wouldn't everyone welcome something that could prevent any drunk driving?
xthetenth - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
If you need a car seat to keep your kid safe, you clearly aren't driving safely and need to have your kid taken from you and to be forcibly sterilized.If you really let your pride get in the way of using something inexpensive to protect the life of your child, you're dangerously irresponsible at best, and my condolences go out to any children you impart your risk-taking on or heavens forbid kill by deliberately and willfully failing to take reasonable precautions
nvmarino - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
I hope that robot hotel isn't in Philly...versesuvius - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Bullshit. Nothing a real "developer" could not do with a 80486 DX if it ran so much RAM and so many GHZs. Makes you feel sorry for the word "compute". This is vaudeville.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaudeville
digitalgriffin - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
No low power parts info? i3-Y/T, Atom?Ryan Smith - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Intel is not announcing SKUs today.anactoraaron - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
OMG Intel's IDF was infiltrated by Replicators! Carter! Jackson! Shoot them while Teal'c and I dial the gate!Yeah I'm a nerd.
nandnandnand - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Intel releases ancient technologyjwcalla - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
Intel really seems to be all-in on this IoT stuff. I dunno... screams "low margins" to me.Michael Bay - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
That drugged baby.vred - Tuesday, August 18, 2015 - link
So is there going to be a continuation of the story?JonnyDough - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
"Clip to let you know if you left your kid in the car""Bot brings Brian a drink"
My God we're inherently lazy and stupid. No more natural selection or exercise I guess? Who actually needs this crap?
willis936 - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
Are all IDFs this hoaky or is this year special?stephenbrooks - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
It feels they've been getting less and less about the actual CPUs for 10 years now.jhh - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
They were pushing that the audience were developers, and that Intel was providing tools, but that the job of using the tools was in the audience. Bigger and faster chips isn't going to increase the Intel market share, it's embedding Quark in 100's of devices on a person or in their home. IDF was really focused on doing more than just selling x86 processors to the usual subjects.stephenbrooks - Wednesday, August 19, 2015 - link
The example applications shown seem contrived and have little room to actually grow into significant markets (especially compared to PCs). Most of them are *highly* discretionary purchases, too.They've also got competition in these new segments: Raspberry Pi and Arduino got there first for hobbyists. Oculus is there in VR. A whole bunch of companies are already in home automation.
Sure, these companies could become Intel customers, but they would be buying CHIPS not mood-sensitive doorbells or whatever, so why not talk about the chips? How about some comparative marketing against the elephant in that particular room (ARM)? Patronising your potential customers doesn't seem a good way to win them over.
boe - Tuesday, August 25, 2015 - link
I'd like to know why desktop processors are starting to go in the wrong direction performance wise. Sure the onboard video keeps getting better but who cares? If you are using notepad - the new video won't help you. If you are playing crysis, the onboard video still sucks so you'll end up buying a separate video card anyways. For those of us who convert and edit video, faster processing is what we need, not a faster onboard video. So in effect their new processor helps the fewest people possible.