The m9 plus is priced horribly high in India, close to almost 500 GBP and more than rivals like S6 and G4. Good phone but priced way above the market which is pretty much typical for HTC. When will they learn that the only direction smartphone prices are going to go is downwards along with margins (with the exception of Apple). The real innovation would be to reduce the BOM and manufacturing costs and bring such devices to the market at competitive prices.
Coming back to the phone, i am interested in how the MT6795T is going to perform in the real world, considering its basically a high clocked A53 based design and fairly similar to the Kirin 930/935 being used in the P7. That SOC underwhelmed (Anandtech review) in terms of performance despite the hype about the enhanced A53 cores.
There is only so much you can do with a simple in order core like the A53 and I am not sure what are the power implications of clocking it as high as MTK have done, especially considering ARM reccomends 1.2-1.5 GHZ for the standard A53.
And I am also interested in seeing how an A53 based chipset with a Powervrg6200 gpu and about 12GB memory bandwidth is able to handle a 2K screen with ease as claimed by MTK. That GPU does about 80 gflps which is in Adreno 320 (S600) territory. And that GPU just about managed to handle a 1080P display.
Looking forward to an Anandtech performance review of the Mt6795M/T. Very little data available online.
The MediaTek won't perform much different in the M9+ as it does in the E9... So, crap?
It's reported to run rather warm but on pure CPU power much stronger than M9 and S6 competitors... The second you want some GPU power it's horrible, which with a 2k screen is a bad bad choice.
I do agree I would really want to see a review from Anandtech on this SoC as I really love the depth we get here.
I believe the cpu performance is great for multiple cores while single threaded performance is about the level of Snapdragon 800/801, which is not bad by any means (much less than the A57 based chips though).
The GPU seems to be the achilles heel, I agree. Its supposed to run 2K smoothly as well as do 1080p recordings at 120 FPS, which is strange given the gpu configuration. Perhaps they have used some sort of a custom setup for the G6200?
You want even more than 8 cores in your phone? What for? anything that doesn't run well enough on 8 is hardly going to be saved by 12 or more. And higher frequency? A53 is an efficeint low-frequency design. Pushing it to 2.2 GHz is already borderline and probably already starts to trail bigger lower clocked cores in performance per watt.
There's no way an A53 can match the single threaded performance of the mature Krait in SD800/801! Not even at the same clock speed (SD800/801 has the advantage here).
Remember seeing a geekbench comparison between the mtk 6795 and the sd 810. The mtk was clocked at 2.2 and the 810 had its a57 cluster clocked to 2.0 ghz.
The single core result for the mtk was around 950, which is in the same ballpark as a Krait 400. The a57 based 810 scored around 1200 in the same test.
Apparently in multi-thread it does.. It runs horrible on GPU side, but the earlier posted link does show that 8 cores can do a lot of work.
Hence, why a nice deep investigation would be interesting. In this case, more than ever, a real-world analysis would need to look into what use a multi-thread benchmark still holds. Rumors of lagging interface have been reported and it doesn't look very good as a combination. Indeed close's remark is very valid as this seems to be a recipe for disappointment ;)
Why not? The camera only differs a couple of times (2 / 4 / 13 and 20mp on different spots) and sense doesn't change.
Most of the drivers etc, is Android specific, so their main issue is that they're bringing too much variation of names where they should've kept it M9 and make versions as done in the past with memory. M9 - 32/128 - HD/QHD - SD810/x10 etc. It's an M9, call it a M9 ;)
The decision to use a 1440p display was incredibly stupid of HTC given the GPU this thing is using. Initial reviews are already criticizing the gaming and multitasking performance. HTC is just completely out of touch with the smartphone market at this point, and it's reflected on their financial results. They have no one to blame but themselves.
Also, off topic, is there a G4 review in the pipeline?
I have to agree with this one. I still use my HTC one M7 as primary phone, I'd rather see them go to 720p even, but at least don't go over 1080p. Otherwise, so many things are great about the HTC One. I can hear when it is ringing for one, unlike most other phones I've had...
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LiverpoolFC5903 - Thursday, July 16, 2015 - link
The m9 plus is priced horribly high in India, close to almost 500 GBP and more than rivals like S6 and G4. Good phone but priced way above the market which is pretty much typical for HTC. When will they learn that the only direction smartphone prices are going to go is downwards along with margins (with the exception of Apple). The real innovation would be to reduce the BOM and manufacturing costs and bring such devices to the market at competitive prices.Coming back to the phone, i am interested in how the MT6795T is going to perform in the real world, considering its basically a high clocked A53 based design and fairly similar to the Kirin 930/935 being used in the P7. That SOC underwhelmed (Anandtech review) in terms of performance despite the hype about the enhanced A53 cores.
There is only so much you can do with a simple in order core like the A53 and I am not sure what are the power implications of clocking it as high as MTK have done, especially considering ARM reccomends 1.2-1.5 GHZ for the standard A53.
And I am also interested in seeing how an A53 based chipset with a Powervrg6200 gpu and about 12GB memory bandwidth is able to handle a 2K screen with ease as claimed by MTK. That GPU does about 80 gflps which is in Adreno 320 (S600) territory. And that GPU just about managed to handle a 1080P display.
Looking forward to an Anandtech performance review of the Mt6795M/T. Very little data available online.
Freaky_Angelus - Thursday, July 16, 2015 - link
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_one_e9_plus-review-126...The MediaTek won't perform much different in the M9+ as it does in the E9... So, crap?
It's reported to run rather warm but on pure CPU power much stronger than M9 and S6 competitors... The second you want some GPU power it's horrible, which with a 2k screen is a bad bad choice.
I do agree I would really want to see a review from Anandtech on this SoC as I really love the depth we get here.
LiverpoolFC5903 - Thursday, July 16, 2015 - link
I believe the cpu performance is great for multiple cores while single threaded performance is about the level of Snapdragon 800/801, which is not bad by any means (much less than the A57 based chips though).The GPU seems to be the achilles heel, I agree. Its supposed to run 2K smoothly as well as do 1080p recordings at 120 FPS, which is strange given the gpu configuration. Perhaps they have used some sort of a custom setup for the G6200?
close - Thursday, July 16, 2015 - link
Bump up CPU (cores, frequency), diagonal, resolution, keep battery the same. Recipe for success if you ask me...MrSpadge - Thursday, July 16, 2015 - link
You want even more than 8 cores in your phone? What for? anything that doesn't run well enough on 8 is hardly going to be saved by 12 or more. And higher frequency? A53 is an efficeint low-frequency design. Pushing it to 2.2 GHz is already borderline and probably already starts to trail bigger lower clocked cores in performance per watt.Refuge - Thursday, July 23, 2015 - link
you completely missed it didn't you? Like a mute bat.MrSpadge - Thursday, July 16, 2015 - link
There's no way an A53 can match the single threaded performance of the mature Krait in SD800/801! Not even at the same clock speed (SD800/801 has the advantage here).LiverpoolFC5903 - Thursday, July 16, 2015 - link
Remember seeing a geekbench comparison between the mtk 6795 and the sd 810. The mtk was clocked at 2.2 and the 810 had its a57 cluster clocked to 2.0 ghz.The single core result for the mtk was around 950, which is in the same ballpark as a Krait 400. The a57 based 810 scored around 1200 in the same test.
toyotabedzrock - Thursday, July 16, 2015 - link
The a53 can't out perform a 800 snapdragon. It should use less power and stay at max speed due to reduced heat output.Freaky_Angelus - Friday, July 17, 2015 - link
Apparently in multi-thread it does.. It runs horrible on GPU side, but the earlier posted link does show that 8 cores can do a lot of work.Hence, why a nice deep investigation would be interesting. In this case, more than ever, a real-world analysis would need to look into what use a multi-thread benchmark still holds. Rumors of lagging interface have been reported and it doesn't look very good as a combination. Indeed close's remark is very valid as this seems to be a recipe for disappointment ;)
Refuge - Thursday, July 23, 2015 - link
I believe they already did do a review... Or at least a quick look at it.danbob999 - Thursday, July 16, 2015 - link
HTC doesn't seem to understand that they have too much devices. This way they can't maintain the software on all of them.Freaky_Angelus - Thursday, July 16, 2015 - link
Why not? The camera only differs a couple of times (2 / 4 / 13 and 20mp on different spots) and sense doesn't change.Most of the drivers etc, is Android specific, so their main issue is that they're bringing too much variation of names where they should've kept it M9 and make versions as done in the past with memory. M9 - 32/128 - HD/QHD - SD810/x10 etc. It's an M9, call it a M9 ;)
superflex - Thursday, July 16, 2015 - link
Herp derp much?Maxpower2727 - Friday, July 17, 2015 - link
The decision to use a 1440p display was incredibly stupid of HTC given the GPU this thing is using. Initial reviews are already criticizing the gaming and multitasking performance. HTC is just completely out of touch with the smartphone market at this point, and it's reflected on their financial results. They have no one to blame but themselves.Also, off topic, is there a G4 review in the pipeline?
mxwll - Friday, July 24, 2015 - link
I have to agree with this one. I still use my HTC one M7 as primary phone, I'd rather see them go to 720p even, but at least don't go over 1080p. Otherwise, so many things are great about the HTC One. I can hear when it is ringing for one, unlike most other phones I've had...