I am very interested. For whatever reason some researchers have got a fund to develop a processor. This way more people will be educated in these areas and we might see interesting projects happening in the future. But I still don't understand from openness point of view, which architecture is actually completely open source so that others can use it as reference. I think MIPS is open as long as you don't implement part of the ISA! Right?
MIPS is not completely open from a commercial point of view; you still need to pay a license fee and royalties if you want to build chips. However, MIPSfpga is available for free to universities and students.
MIPSfpga is a pre-verified configuration of a MIPS microAptiv CPU that can run Linux; this bundle offers completely open access to the full Verilog RTL code, free tools and and a free SDK: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9194/imagination-ann...
Nvidias denver was a good reminder of the problem with binary translation systems. Even using a large 128MB memory cache, performance in straightforward applications was great, but fell off a cliff in spaghetti code or multitasking. The translation engine seems to be what choked it up.
These types of processors could certainly have a lot of uses, but translation doesn't always work great.
Just want to mention that Transmeta was actually born out of ideas originally developed by Russians in a first place. Here is a link to some info on this story: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.arch/...
Looks like an interesting chip, got great connectivity, but it seems like it should have some accelerators? Like maybe a packet processor (given the 10G + 2x1G) and an encryption/hash coprocessor is always a good thing these days, although I am not sure if the MIPS arch already has some instructions to speed that stuff up.
Looks like this could be a great NAS or Router/Wifi AP chip -- although, especially for the latter, the encryption stuff would be a bit of an issue.
Maybe that stuff is there, but just not being shown in the block diagram? Ehh, probably not.
"Security concerns regarding backdoor implementations in both designs and algorithms are causing two of the world’s largest superpowers, Russia and China, to pursue other avenues"
Isn't it ironic that Russia and China are 2 countries which would love to have their own CPUs so they can put in backdoors to enable unlimited spying and repression of their population?
True. It also does not mean that you are worse. The claim that China and Russia want to have their own CPUs in order to " put in backdoors to enable unlimited spying and repression of their population" at the very least is absolutely not substantiated. Just a typical stereotyping on the part of western media/population.
We eventually crack down on overreach in the west, until we don't. I'm not too impressed by the slow pace of reforming the reach of the US's domestic intelligence.
Seriously? Like you cracked down on Snowden and Manning etc.. Good job! I completely empathise with Russian and Chinese concerns, at least their governments will run on secure processors far from NSA's prying eyes.
You have been so blinded by propaganda from western govts and media that you don't even stop to think why something is good or bad. just because it is russia or china, it automatically becomes bad in your eyes. Well done! thats what your controllers want.. 1984 is here in the West
I wonder though, how the Russians got enough confidence that MIPS doesn't have any back doors. After all, MIPS was based out of the US, wasn't it
Repression of population in Russia ? Really ? Do you even realize how dumb you sound , probably not ... Oh , and about spying , our government in USA is officially spying upon its citizens by legislation laws for some good time now , if you you didnt know ...
"Security concerns regarding backdoor implementations in both designs and algorithms are causing two of the world’s largest superpowers, Russia and China, to pursue other avenues, even if this is via the government or commercial."
If this is truly the message they're giving off, it's a bad sign. These are the two countries most likely to complain about the splinter in someone else's eye when they have a log in their own.
I do not understand your point. Obviously Russia and China are not doing anything USA government is not doing. In fact they are doing much less of it - mostly because they are not in a position to. US government makes sure that the sensitive elements of US infrastructure are US made (or at least US designed). China and Russia want to do the same. If anything by now we have well documented history of US government strong-arming tech companies, hacking the systems, mistreating hi-tech community by inserting flaws in encryption algorithms etc. It's possible that China and Russia are doing the same but to be fair there is very little evidence of that.
If you mean Litvienko as a spy poisoned, its a bit more complicated. Have read very interesting stuff that he has smugled Polonium and the "KGB" track was just a cover story... from the ammount of radiation where he was moving ( offices, aircraft and etc ) is impossible to get so much radiation in teapot... yes Russia want be a bit safe from US hw. have read about interesting CPU based on WLIW stuff. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/05/russia-now-...
IAN can you get a bit your "review" of this CPU ??
It's one thing to say there is no proof China or Russia is any worst. It's quite another to say They are not and "in fact they are doing much less of it"
In one case you put the burden of proof on others. In YOUR case you carry the burden of proof because you are the one asserting a claim. So go ahead, and prove your claim.
My wife is Russian and considering how corrupt she told me a lot of the government there is, I would not doubt they don't or are not planning on it. They just don't want a way for anyone else to get in. Consider the fact that China already oppresses people by controlling what they can and cannot view on the internet and TV.
And yes, I know the US does but not to the same extent. Hell I can go to any Chinese website while a lot of US sites are probably blocked by China.
Oh, my. You're right. I forgot about the US's "Great wall of North America" firewall that restricts free thinking and their attacks on the companies of other countries that allow propaganda against the US regime. How could I have been so silly...
Obviouslky you are not the first westerner who got concerned about telling "them" what they need to know. And the answer is - US State Department and USAID. With combined annual budget of more than $50B the primary goal of these organizations is to tell "them" how they are supposed to live.
Russia lags semi both in design and fab foundries. Sad to see so much good talent leave Russia to find work in the west. Still there MIPS and RISC under development are interesting even though they lag there wester and in particular the US - I cant see them catching-up to likes of AMD/Nvidia and use there chips in future homegrown Supper computers. If sanctions kick in, there dreams of leading the AI, which req more custom chips Vs SIMD/VLIW will cause further lag. Maybe they thinking is that China will have nm fab facilities and Russians can get the latest Chines processors without spending much of there Gas/Oil wealth on smi research. No pain no gain
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mmrezaie - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
I am very interested. For whatever reason some researchers have got a fund to develop a processor. This way more people will be educated in these areas and we might see interesting projects happening in the future. But I still don't understand from openness point of view, which architecture is actually completely open source so that others can use it as reference. I think MIPS is open as long as you don't implement part of the ISA! Right?alexvoica - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
MIPS is not completely open from a commercial point of view; you still need to pay a license fee and royalties if you want to build chips. However, MIPSfpga is available for free to universities and students.MIPSfpga is a pre-verified configuration of a MIPS microAptiv CPU that can run Linux; this bundle offers completely open access to the full Verilog RTL code, free tools and and a free SDK:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9194/imagination-ann...
tipoo - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
Russia is also looking into Transmeta-like processors with x86 emulationhttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/05/russia-now-...
Nvidias denver was a good reminder of the problem with binary translation systems. Even using a large 128MB memory cache, performance in straightforward applications was great, but fell off a cliff in spaghetti code or multitasking. The translation engine seems to be what choked it up.
These types of processors could certainly have a lot of uses, but translation doesn't always work great.
lilo777 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
Just want to mention that Transmeta was actually born out of ideas originally developed by Russians in a first place. Here is a link to some info on this story: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.arch/...extide - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
Looks like an interesting chip, got great connectivity, but it seems like it should have some accelerators? Like maybe a packet processor (given the 10G + 2x1G) and an encryption/hash coprocessor is always a good thing these days, although I am not sure if the MIPS arch already has some instructions to speed that stuff up.Looks like this could be a great NAS or Router/Wifi AP chip -- although, especially for the latter, the encryption stuff would be a bit of an issue.
Maybe that stuff is there, but just not being shown in the block diagram? Ehh, probably not.
Wilco1 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
"Security concerns regarding backdoor implementations in both designs and algorithms are causing two of the world’s largest superpowers, Russia and China, to pursue other avenues"Isn't it ironic that Russia and China are 2 countries which would love to have their own CPUs so they can put in backdoors to enable unlimited spying and repression of their population?
MrSpadge - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
Yeah, not trusting the others doesn't automatically mean you're any better.lilo777 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
True. It also does not mean that you are worse. The claim that China and Russia want to have their own CPUs in order to " put in backdoors to enable unlimited spying and repression of their population" at the very least is absolutely not substantiated. Just a typical stereotyping on the part of western media/population.toyotabedzrock - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
The difference is that in the west we eventually crack down on over reach instead of changing the law to usher in a dictator.easp - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
We eventually crack down on overreach in the west, until we don't. I'm not too impressed by the slow pace of reforming the reach of the US's domestic intelligence.ancientarcher - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link
Seriously? Like you cracked down on Snowden and Manning etc.. Good job!I completely empathise with Russian and Chinese concerns, at least their governments will run on secure processors far from NSA's prying eyes.
You have been so blinded by propaganda from western govts and media that you don't even stop to think why something is good or bad. just because it is russia or china, it automatically becomes bad in your eyes. Well done! thats what your controllers want.. 1984 is here in the West
I wonder though, how the Russians got enough confidence that MIPS doesn't have any back doors. After all, MIPS was based out of the US, wasn't it
Michael Bay - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link
Just like US does, then.Gorod - Friday, May 29, 2015 - link
Repression of population in Russia ? Really ? Do you even realize how dumb you sound , probably not ... Oh , and about spying , our government in USA is officially spying upon its citizens by legislation laws for some good time now , if you you didnt know ...DCide - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
"Security concerns regarding backdoor implementations in both designs and algorithms are causing two of the world’s largest superpowers, Russia and China, to pursue other avenues, even if this is via the government or commercial."If this is truly the message they're giving off, it's a bad sign. These are the two countries most likely to complain about the splinter in someone else's eye when they have a log in their own.
lilo777 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
I do not understand your point. Obviously Russia and China are not doing anything USA government is not doing. In fact they are doing much less of it - mostly because they are not in a position to. US government makes sure that the sensitive elements of US infrastructure are US made (or at least US designed). China and Russia want to do the same. If anything by now we have well documented history of US government strong-arming tech companies, hacking the systems, mistreating hi-tech community by inserting flaws in encryption algorithms etc. It's possible that China and Russia are doing the same but to be fair there is very little evidence of that.toyotabedzrock - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
Russian whistle blowers usually end up poisoned or shot. So I don't think you will see them exposed.wishgranter - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
If you mean Litvienko as a spy poisoned, its a bit more complicated. Have read very interesting stuff that he has smugled Polonium and the "KGB" track was just a cover story... from the ammount of radiation where he was moving ( offices, aircraft and etc ) is impossible to get so much radiation in teapot...yes Russia want be a bit safe from US hw. have read about interesting CPU based on WLIW stuff. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/05/russia-now-...
IAN can you get a bit your "review" of this CPU ??
SlyNine - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
It's one thing to say there is no proof China or Russia is any worst. It's quite another to say They are not and "in fact they are doing much less of it"In one case you put the burden of proof on others. In YOUR case you carry the burden of proof because you are the one asserting a claim. So go ahead, and prove your claim.
jimmy$mitty - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
My wife is Russian and considering how corrupt she told me a lot of the government there is, I would not doubt they don't or are not planning on it. They just don't want a way for anyone else to get in. Consider the fact that China already oppresses people by controlling what they can and cannot view on the internet and TV.And yes, I know the US does but not to the same extent. Hell I can go to any Chinese website while a lot of US sites are probably blocked by China.
sabrewings - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link
Oh, my. You're right. I forgot about the US's "Great wall of North America" firewall that restricts free thinking and their attacks on the companies of other countries that allow propaganda against the US regime. How could I have been so silly...Michael Bay - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link
If you believe that some firewall may restrict THINKING, you have far bigger problems than chineese people.toyotabedzrock - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
Who gets to tell them the bad news of where MIPS was developed?lilo777 - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
Why would you think "they" need to be told? Don't they already know? For example, they could simply read about MIPS on Russian Wikipedia (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIPS_(%D0%B0%D1%80%D...Obviouslky you are not the first westerner who got concerned about telling "them" what they need to know. And the answer is - US State Department and USAID. With combined annual budget of more than $50B the primary goal of these organizations is to tell "them" how they are supposed to live.
Dmcq - Wednesday, May 27, 2015 - link
I thought Baikal were also doing their own ARM chip which gets rid of the 'potential issues' with that. Or have they given up on that?Achtung_BG - Thursday, May 28, 2015 - link
I think Elbrus processor is also very interesting .http://www.extremetech.com/computing/205463-shadow...
Russian foundries lags 8-10 years behind the leader Intel . Micron started 65nm wafer of 200 mm last year and angstrem using 90nm process.
znajit - Thursday, January 27, 2022 - link
Russia lags semi both in design and fab foundries. Sad to see so much good talent leave Russia to find work in the west. Still there MIPS and RISC under development are interesting even though they lag there wester and in particular the US - I cant see them catching-up to likes of AMD/Nvidia and use there chips in future homegrown Supper computers. If sanctions kick in, there dreams of leading the AI, which req more custom chips Vs SIMD/VLIW will cause further lag. Maybe they thinking is that China will have nm fab facilities and Russians can get the latest Chines processors without spending much of there Gas/Oil wealth on smi research.No pain no gain