I'm sorry, but this just sounds incomplete. So many features are not going to be available at launch, and Microsoft still needs to get Win10's stability up to par with Win8.1...
After what happened with Win8, MS can't afford a misstep. Win10 should not be released until it's done.
What? We totally can and should and should complain if their product is bad. If Google chrome suddenly turned to shit (unlikely), I would sure as hell expect everyone to be up in arms, and rightly so.
Microsoft is making the upgrade free and lowering the cost because they're starting to shift business models, seem to be more advertising / freemium. That doesn't some how absolve them from criticism.
Jimbo -- I'm guessing you're talking about Chrome OS? If so, very few people would complain about it as it has limited appeal due to non-competitive pricing of the OS and associated hardware versus low end Windows 8.1 tablets that are more versatile at a lower price.
If you mean Chrome the browser, then perhaps there'd be more complaints about it, but I think it'd have to fall quite far before the anti-IE crowd would put aside web browser ideology (a silly thing to argue about at all since it's just a display mechanism for websites, but there are people that make a foamy-mouthed scream-fest about it) and switch to something else. To those people, the browser has a very pronounced emotional element that hasn't anything to do with capabilities, reason, or logical thought. If the opposite were the case, I think it likely that Google would be in a far worse position given their methods of collecting and monetizing user data would probably be considered revolting.
As far as Microsoft's latest developments are concerned, they're attempting to catch up with competition including Google in using alternative methods they've not previously used effectively to generate income. I think what you'll see in the future is people continuing to live in the past and maintain criticism for prior actions Microsoft undertook years ago rather than address present day concerns like how Microsoft is planning to reap rewards that offset software development costs and whether or not those methods are akin to Google's vast data harvesting activities.
If they add some good feature a year after launch, will you: - complain that it didn't ship initially, suggesting they should have waited another year? - prefer they'd move it into the next version and make you pay again for it? - just take it for what it is and use it or not depending on personal preference?
(I'm only talking about features here, stability is crucial starting the first day after release)
Um, depends. What is Windows 10? Would you say Windows 7 wasn't ready because it shipped with IE8 and then IE9, 10 and 11 got released and run on it? Conflating software with core OS features is a bit of a misnomer. Backporting support for apps to the Store isn't a core feature or OS specific thing, it's something that gives greater Store support, and presumably might also work on Windows 8 (if you haven't done the free upgrade).
What is "ready" for an OS? Windows 8.1 was an update to Windows 8 that changed a bunch of things. Windows has had service packs historically as well.
They've moving a more gradual release cycle similar to other platforms. Would you rather they released it with these features not yet available, and save them for Windows 11 so they can charge you for them? I like the fact that they're continually adding and improving after release. No different than what we're used to by now in the mobile and console markets.
How could microsoft release win 8 one of it's best customizable features that all users I have ever seen learn to change/control - the desktop backround, MISSING from the "home screen".
I mean that is how thick they have become. It's really unimaginable how careless and out of touch it was.
Windows 8 is a nice OS. Declined sales is also in part to the learning cure or just don't want to adapt to, or the changes that come when new OS's comes out.
Any clue on SoC support beside Qualcomm on the phone side? I know they won't support Mediatek (at least anytime soon) and it seems they will support Intel but not 100% certain about Intel yet.
Did they mention anything aboout retail or OEM pricing of Windows 10, for someone building a new Windows machine? Hopefully, they'd try and stay cost competitive with simply buying a copy of Windows 7 and then getting the free upgrade.
Um, depends. What is Windows 10? Would you say Windows 7 wasn't ready because it shipped with IE8 and then IE9, 10 and 11 got released and run on it? Conflating software with core OS features is a bit of a misnomer. Backporting support for apps to the Store isn't a core feature or OS specific thing, it's something that gives greater Store support, and presumably might also work on Windows 8 (if you haven't done the free upgrade).
What is "ready" for an OS? Windows 8.1 was an update to Windows 8 that changed a bunch of things. Windows has had service packs historically as well.
I'd rather wait for the usual release dates in fall..... Microsoft are in a rush again. Don't mess it up please. Release more features to the insider program and test them there first before the major update. I'd still rather wait even if they plan to release those services as beta to insiders first.
It's probably just going to be dribbleware. "Windows 10" will come out but it will look a lot like a modified 8.1 until various things are rolled out over time.
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ViRGE - Thursday, April 30, 2015 - link
I'm sorry, but this just sounds incomplete. So many features are not going to be available at launch, and Microsoft still needs to get Win10's stability up to par with Win8.1...After what happened with Win8, MS can't afford a misstep. Win10 should not be released until it's done.
Jtaylor1986 - Thursday, April 30, 2015 - link
It's free not like you can really complain about itViRGE - Thursday, April 30, 2015 - link
No, I suppose not. But I'd like to see Win10 do well. DX12 is in trouble if Win7 becomes the new XP.medi03 - Friday, May 1, 2015 - link
Win 8 is already better than Win7, so not sure what your point is.Zak - Friday, May 1, 2015 - link
That's why Win 8 is selling so wellI guess._ - Tuesday, May 5, 2015 - link
Performance wise, Windows 8 is better. That's undeniable. Poor sales are due to the issues people have with the modern UI.jimbo_sweets - Friday, May 1, 2015 - link
What? We totally can and should and should complain if their product is bad. If Google chrome suddenly turned to shit (unlikely), I would sure as hell expect everyone to be up in arms, and rightly so.Microsoft is making the upgrade free and lowering the cost because they're starting to shift business models, seem to be more advertising / freemium. That doesn't some how absolve them from criticism.
BrokenCrayons - Friday, May 1, 2015 - link
Jimbo -- I'm guessing you're talking about Chrome OS? If so, very few people would complain about it as it has limited appeal due to non-competitive pricing of the OS and associated hardware versus low end Windows 8.1 tablets that are more versatile at a lower price.If you mean Chrome the browser, then perhaps there'd be more complaints about it, but I think it'd have to fall quite far before the anti-IE crowd would put aside web browser ideology (a silly thing to argue about at all since it's just a display mechanism for websites, but there are people that make a foamy-mouthed scream-fest about it) and switch to something else. To those people, the browser has a very pronounced emotional element that hasn't anything to do with capabilities, reason, or logical thought. If the opposite were the case, I think it likely that Google would be in a far worse position given their methods of collecting and monetizing user data would probably be considered revolting.
As far as Microsoft's latest developments are concerned, they're attempting to catch up with competition including Google in using alternative methods they've not previously used effectively to generate income. I think what you'll see in the future is people continuing to live in the past and maintain criticism for prior actions Microsoft undertook years ago rather than address present day concerns like how Microsoft is planning to reap rewards that offset software development costs and whether or not those methods are akin to Google's vast data harvesting activities.
mkozakewich - Friday, May 1, 2015 - link
Chrome wasn't suddenly, it was a slow slide over the last couple years.rhysmorgan - Sunday, May 3, 2015 - link
Google Chrome already *is* shit!Zak - Friday, May 1, 2015 - link
Yeah, but I'd rather pay and have good OS rather than incomplete, ad-supported, "you-shouldn't-complain-because-its-free" system.Chaitanya - Saturday, May 2, 2015 - link
Its free only for its first year, not sure what M$ will charge after first 12 months.damianrobertjones - Saturday, May 2, 2015 - link
Ah no... You might need to buy a new keyboard as, instead of S, you've typed $MrSpadge - Friday, May 1, 2015 - link
If they add some good feature a year after launch, will you:- complain that it didn't ship initially, suggesting they should have waited another year?
- prefer they'd move it into the next version and make you pay again for it?
- just take it for what it is and use it or not depending on personal preference?
(I'm only talking about features here, stability is crucial starting the first day after release)
Lonyo - Friday, May 1, 2015 - link
Um, depends. What is Windows 10?Would you say Windows 7 wasn't ready because it shipped with IE8 and then IE9, 10 and 11 got released and run on it?
Conflating software with core OS features is a bit of a misnomer. Backporting support for apps to the Store isn't a core feature or OS specific thing, it's something that gives greater Store support, and presumably might also work on Windows 8 (if you haven't done the free upgrade).
What is "ready" for an OS?
Windows 8.1 was an update to Windows 8 that changed a bunch of things. Windows has had service packs historically as well.
Alexvrb - Friday, May 1, 2015 - link
They've moving a more gradual release cycle similar to other platforms. Would you rather they released it with these features not yet available, and save them for Windows 11 so they can charge you for them? I like the fact that they're continually adding and improving after release. No different than what we're used to by now in the mobile and console markets.FlushedBubblyJock - Sunday, May 3, 2015 - link
How could microsoft release win 8 one of it's best customizable features that all users I have ever seen learn to change/control - the desktop backround, MISSING from the "home screen".I mean that is how thick they have become. It's really unimaginable how careless and out of touch it was.
jeffrey620 - Monday, August 3, 2015 - link
Windows 8 is a nice OS. Declined sales is also in part to the learning cure or just don't want to adapt to, or the changes that come when new OS's comes out.jjj - Thursday, April 30, 2015 - link
Any clue on SoC support beside Qualcomm on the phone side?I know they won't support Mediatek (at least anytime soon) and it seems they will support Intel but not 100% certain about Intel yet.
Paul Tarnowski - Thursday, April 30, 2015 - link
I remember reading a rumor about the 940 having an Intel chip, but I doubt there's going to be word on specifics before the hardware is announced.Manch - Saturday, May 2, 2015 - link
PCWorld mag had an article about atom x3 in low end phones. Dual core and Quad core versions, both with Mali GPUStochastic - Thursday, April 30, 2015 - link
I'm assuming they're pushing for a summer release to try and target the back-to-school market. I wonder if Skylake will be ready in time.vailr - Friday, May 1, 2015 - link
Did they mention anything aboout retail or OEM pricing of Windows 10, for someone building a new Windows machine? Hopefully, they'd try and stay cost competitive with simply buying a copy of Windows 7 and then getting the free upgrade.Krysto - Friday, May 1, 2015 - link
In other words, Windows 10 is far from ready.Lonyo - Friday, May 1, 2015 - link
Um, depends. What is Windows 10?Would you say Windows 7 wasn't ready because it shipped with IE8 and then IE9, 10 and 11 got released and run on it?
Conflating software with core OS features is a bit of a misnomer. Backporting support for apps to the Store isn't a core feature or OS specific thing, it's something that gives greater Store support, and presumably might also work on Windows 8 (if you haven't done the free upgrade).
What is "ready" for an OS?
Windows 8.1 was an update to Windows 8 that changed a bunch of things. Windows has had service packs historically as well.
FlushedBubblyJock - Sunday, May 3, 2015 - link
windows 10 is windows 7 with msft bloated apps taking over, and a dolloped win8 pastel turd smeared on the screenmedi03 - Friday, May 1, 2015 - link
I wish Win10 gains traction and that porting from IoS/Android to Win10 is as easy as they promise.Having Apple as Google Android only alternative with serious app store is like having no alternative at all, if you are not into fashion gadgets.
lilmoe - Friday, May 1, 2015 - link
I'd rather wait for the usual release dates in fall..... Microsoft are in a rush again. Don't mess it up please. Release more features to the insider program and test them there first before the major update. I'd still rather wait even if they plan to release those services as beta to insiders first.Oxford Guy - Sunday, May 3, 2015 - link
It's probably just going to be dribbleware. "Windows 10" will come out but it will look a lot like a modified 8.1 until various things are rolled out over time.FlushedBubblyJock - Sunday, May 3, 2015 - link
Joe is obviously stoned out of his mind, doesn't shower and doesn't comb his hair, and can't shave properly, a scruffbucket.That's windows 10.