drashek #1 Commentos' hear.... Gib me hole3 where Commentos' do go and ground you for life of, errrrr.... Here point, in CS'15 will be new surprise 4k x 8k led, or 32 megapixel. no signal, yet mere 8meg job now has blu ray player. so go figure, full lush 32 megs on pixel or, say what. looks like time to push 2k x 4k is here, for three years 4x sales up is claimed. so far mostly slow 1 unit per outlet war.
Peeper, Peepers king of wild.... new TV s' will be web o/s2. new firefox o/s in one.
Wow this is some nostalgia. I remember drashek's comments on theinquirer.net back in the day. He'd leave some crazy BS comment on every article that looked more like it was generated through some markov chain algorithm than came out of a person's brain. In fact, they went so far as to create a browser extension to filter out his comments because he'd keep making new usernames to get around being banned. Hopefully it won't go that far with anandtech.
I remember he got more and more creative. He'd start off with a couple sentences that actually made sense and you'd be half-way through the post before you realized you'd been drashek'd.
I just wish Samsung would stop wasting everyone's time with curved screen TV's that are useless in terms of actual picture quality improvement except on TV's that are so massive in size that the viewing angle surpasses 60 degrees that IPS and similar panels start to show degradation in the color uniformity.
A curved PROJECTION SCREEN is higher quality than a flat screen (the screen is curved to keep it closer to the same distance from the central light source so that the image remains in focus across the entire screen and not a smaller portion with the center in focus and edges get progressively more and more out of focus due to increasing distance from the bulb). But on a LCD TV, all you do is screw up the viewing angles of the edge of the screen for everyone else in the room who is not sitting directly in the middle of the TV. It is just a PR/hype thing trying to bank off of consumers seeing curved projection screens being higher end and thus equating that a curved LCD will also be higher end.
Well stated, the above words speak truth to the core of the issue, nonetheless some diversity is always a good thing, thus as long as these screens keep their accompanying character within the manufacturers product portfolios they may be viewed as a nice kind of gimmick, but they shall never become the new norm.
Not quite right about the projection screen. A curved projection screen will look better to the viewer (assuming it covers a wide enough angle of view). As for the quality of the projected image, it depends on the source. A simple lens does a 1:1 projection. If the source (LCD, DLP) is flat, then focal plane of the projected image is flat. It would actually take extra optics to make the image focus on a curved screen. Light falloff (vignetting) due to (non-)curvature is irrelevant if the viewer is seated near the projector source - the angle of view of projection and of viewing then coincide, and any light falloff due to extreme angles in the corners is exactly countered by increased brightness due the corners being compressed in the view.
Where you start running into problems is when trying to project so that the angle of light from the source to the lens is not the same as the angle from the lens to the screen. Then you can get a curved focal plane from a flat image source. This is a large part of the reason why a "normal" camera lens is easy to design, while telephotos and wide angles are harder.
And I thought the curved screen TVs were OLED? That was the whole point - to try to find an application where traditional LCDs (made of large glass panels) don't work well but OLEDs (placed on a flexible plastic substrate) do.
Samsung may be the worst major electronics company in the world. They just... they never ask themselves if anyone would ever want any of the products they're developing. They just... do it and hope for the best, or something.
Like "Market is predicted to grow 4x in TVs" by who, the god damned acid fairies buzzing around your head when your high as a kite? TV manufacturers are in debt or going into bankruptcy, Sony is thinking about selling their division off because the market has crashed so much, and you idiots just sit there and go "Well maybe if we make it curved. Cuuuuuurved."
curved will not solve a thing. curved should "only" be used in the desktop space... looking at curved innovation in 60"+ TV's makes me want to strangle a small kitten....
The reason many television manufacturers are on trouble is because the current traditional ones, the Japanese, are going through what they themselves caused the western manufacturers in the 70s and 80s. Korean and Chinese manufacturers are pricing then or of the business with cheaper and better products. Something I'd call healthy competition, not "the worst ever!".
Denying there is a use for curved televisions on extra large screens is like denying that there is a use for curved cinema screens. Yes, they look wrong if you look at them from the wrong angle, they look a lot better when used in the right way. Especially in these 4k times, curved televisions will become more and more useful.
where.... for the love of jesus and the rest of the world.... is my 55-70 inch 2560 x 1440p TV! 4k is STUPID I mean RETARDED for the average consumer, and this is something that needs to go away. hardware is not ready for it... and wont be for another 6-8 years and even then it will be high dollar... not to mention how facepalm curved TV's are.... is there really a market for anything in the vlog....... think about that
I've had a 65" 4K TV for over a year now and LOVE it. Everyone who has seen at ends up getting a 4K TV. Unfortunately they find out the Samsung upscaling is not nearly as good as the Sony upscaling.
A vacuum cleaner that's 60x more powerful than others? Holy sh*t. Best keep your dog away and your pants zipped up. That's not going to clean... It's going to destroy.
I think that's why it has a remote control, so you can watch your house get sucked into the miniature black hole that's contained within the cleaner from a safe distance.
You had the option to ignore the 3D part of your TV. 3D didn't make your TV stick out on the sides. Curved means only the person sitting dead center has the optimal view. Buying a 75" TV for each member of a family can get a bit expensive.
1. Expandable, always-on server mounted in-wall, connects to internet, cable, etc. 2. Open standard for connected devices, that connect to the server via high-speed WiFi. 3. Setting up a device is as simple as plugging it in and connecting it to your network - the server will find it, identify its functionality, and allow it to work with other connected devices that you already own. 4. The device network connections eliminate the need for all existing connector cables.
So for example, let's say you bought a TV. Just plug it in, connect it to the network, and you're done. The server will recognize it as a TV, and set up everything else that you need. You can use your existing network-connected tablet/phone as a remote.
Maybe not all of your content is digital yet - you still have some Blu-Ray discs. So you buy a Blu-Ray player. Plug it in, connect it to the network, and you're done. The server will recognize it, and make the Blu-Ray in the player an additional content source available.
Maybe you want to add a speaker system? Plug in the speakers, connect them to the network, and again you're done. The server will recognize that you added the speakers in the same room as the TV, associate them, and automatically determine which audio channel(s) they should be associated with, and adjust output volume levels based on where you placed them in the room.
I was very disappointed that their high end TVs are all curved. I don't know a single person who wants a curved TV. They seem to have the Ford attitude - you can have a Model T in any color you want as long as it is black.
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thomasxstewart - Monday, January 5, 2015 - link
drashek #1 Commentos' hear.... Gib me hole3 where Commentos' do go and ground you for life of, errrrr.... Here point, in CS'15 will be new surprise 4k x 8k led, or 32 megapixel. no signal, yet mere 8meg job now has blu ray player. so go figure, full lush 32 megs on pixel or, say what. looks like time to push 2k x 4k is here, for three years 4x sales up is claimed. so far mostly slow 1 unit per outlet war.Peeper, Peepers king of wild.... new TV s' will be web o/s2. new firefox o/s in one.
Guess lilk 'ole whom....
JarredWalton - Monday, January 5, 2015 - link
Um, what? Are you seriously drunk, or just very bored?Boogaloo - Monday, January 5, 2015 - link
Wow this is some nostalgia. I remember drashek's comments on theinquirer.net back in the day. He'd leave some crazy BS comment on every article that looked more like it was generated through some markov chain algorithm than came out of a person's brain. In fact, they went so far as to create a browser extension to filter out his comments because he'd keep making new usernames to get around being banned. Hopefully it won't go that far with anandtech.Anyway, here's some history: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1015077/d...
silverblue - Tuesday, January 6, 2015 - link
Or the S|A comments, up to a year or so back (before they added the subscriber-only stuff).ssj4Gogeta - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
I remember he got more and more creative. He'd start off with a couple sentences that actually made sense and you'd be half-way through the post before you realized you'd been drashek'd.ssj4Gogeta - Wednesday, January 7, 2015 - link
Wow the drashek has spread to Anandtech.Fallen Kell - Monday, January 5, 2015 - link
I just wish Samsung would stop wasting everyone's time with curved screen TV's that are useless in terms of actual picture quality improvement except on TV's that are so massive in size that the viewing angle surpasses 60 degrees that IPS and similar panels start to show degradation in the color uniformity.A curved PROJECTION SCREEN is higher quality than a flat screen (the screen is curved to keep it closer to the same distance from the central light source so that the image remains in focus across the entire screen and not a smaller portion with the center in focus and edges get progressively more and more out of focus due to increasing distance from the bulb). But on a LCD TV, all you do is screw up the viewing angles of the edge of the screen for everyone else in the room who is not sitting directly in the middle of the TV. It is just a PR/hype thing trying to bank off of consumers seeing curved projection screens being higher end and thus equating that a curved LCD will also be higher end.
theduckofdeath - Monday, January 5, 2015 - link
Sounds like you need to get a bigger room... :DJasonDorn - Tuesday, January 6, 2015 - link
@ Fallen KellWell stated, the above words speak truth to the core of the issue, nonetheless some diversity is always a good thing, thus as long as these screens keep their accompanying character within the manufacturers product portfolios they may be viewed as a nice kind of gimmick, but they shall never become the new norm.
Solandri - Tuesday, January 6, 2015 - link
Not quite right about the projection screen. A curved projection screen will look better to the viewer (assuming it covers a wide enough angle of view). As for the quality of the projected image, it depends on the source. A simple lens does a 1:1 projection. If the source (LCD, DLP) is flat, then focal plane of the projected image is flat. It would actually take extra optics to make the image focus on a curved screen. Light falloff (vignetting) due to (non-)curvature is irrelevant if the viewer is seated near the projector source - the angle of view of projection and of viewing then coincide, and any light falloff due to extreme angles in the corners is exactly countered by increased brightness due the corners being compressed in the view.Where you start running into problems is when trying to project so that the angle of light from the source to the lens is not the same as the angle from the lens to the screen. Then you can get a curved focal plane from a flat image source. This is a large part of the reason why a "normal" camera lens is easy to design, while telephotos and wide angles are harder.
And I thought the curved screen TVs were OLED? That was the whole point - to try to find an application where traditional LCDs (made of large glass panels) don't work well but OLEDs (placed on a flexible plastic substrate) do.
boe - Wednesday, January 14, 2015 - link
Amen!!! Samsung won't get my money until they give up this curved screen nonsense.alphasquadron - Monday, January 5, 2015 - link
I don't know what's gotten into me today but after reading all these articles, I really want a fucking washer and dryer.baii9 - Monday, January 5, 2015 - link
anand need new crew for iot and appliance? turbo wash wooooooooooooFrenetic Pony - Monday, January 5, 2015 - link
Samsung may be the worst major electronics company in the world. They just... they never ask themselves if anyone would ever want any of the products they're developing. They just... do it and hope for the best, or something.Like "Market is predicted to grow 4x in TVs" by who, the god damned acid fairies buzzing around your head when your high as a kite? TV manufacturers are in debt or going into bankruptcy, Sony is thinking about selling their division off because the market has crashed so much, and you idiots just sit there and go "Well maybe if we make it curved. Cuuuuuurved."
austinsguitar - Tuesday, January 6, 2015 - link
curved will not solve a thing. curved should "only" be used in the desktop space... looking at curved innovation in 60"+ TV's makes me want to strangle a small kitten....theduckofdeath - Thursday, January 15, 2015 - link
What a completely disconnected analysis! :)The reason many television manufacturers are on trouble is because the current traditional ones, the Japanese, are going through what they themselves caused the western manufacturers in the 70s and 80s. Korean and Chinese manufacturers are pricing then or of the business with cheaper and better products. Something I'd call healthy competition, not "the worst ever!".
Denying there is a use for curved televisions on extra large screens is like denying that there is a use for curved cinema screens. Yes, they look wrong if you look at them from the wrong angle, they look a lot better when used in the right way. Especially in these 4k times, curved televisions will become more and more useful.
theduckofdeath - Thursday, January 15, 2015 - link
*Korean and Chinese manufacturers are pricing them out of the businessI hate autocorrect; slowly making humanity just a tad dumber every day... :)
austinsguitar - Monday, January 5, 2015 - link
where.... for the love of jesus and the rest of the world.... is my 55-70 inch 2560 x 1440p TV! 4k is STUPID I mean RETARDED for the average consumer, and this is something that needs to go away. hardware is not ready for it... and wont be for another 6-8 years and even then it will be high dollar... not to mention how facepalm curved TV's are.... is there really a market for anything in the vlog....... think about thatboe - Wednesday, January 14, 2015 - link
I've had a 65" 4K TV for over a year now and LOVE it. Everyone who has seen at ends up getting a 4K TV. Unfortunately they find out the Samsung upscaling is not nearly as good as the Sony upscaling.Spatz - Tuesday, January 6, 2015 - link
A vacuum cleaner that's 60x more powerful than others? Holy sh*t. Best keep your dog away and your pants zipped up. That's not going to clean... It's going to destroy.Calabros - Tuesday, January 6, 2015 - link
Pants? Dude its goin to suck your blood :-)psychobriggsy - Tuesday, January 6, 2015 - link
I think that's why it has a remote control, so you can watch your house get sucked into the miniature black hole that's contained within the cleaner from a safe distance.AnnihilatorX - Tuesday, January 6, 2015 - link
In serious note it is probably conparing robotic vaccumm cleaners currently on market.AnnihilatorX - Tuesday, January 6, 2015 - link
"traditional LED with QD phosphor layers"I thought quantum dot emitters does not require phosphor layer because all primary colors are available with narrow bandwidth.
colonelclaw - Tuesday, January 6, 2015 - link
Samsung's obsession with curved TVs reminds me of Sony's obsession with 3D TVs 5 years ago. That didn't turn out so well.boe - Wednesday, January 14, 2015 - link
You had the option to ignore the 3D part of your TV. 3D didn't make your TV stick out on the sides. Curved means only the person sitting dead center has the optimal view. Buying a 75" TV for each member of a family can get a bit expensive.twtech - Thursday, January 8, 2015 - link
This is my vision for a Smart Home system:1. Expandable, always-on server mounted in-wall, connects to internet, cable, etc.
2. Open standard for connected devices, that connect to the server via high-speed WiFi.
3. Setting up a device is as simple as plugging it in and connecting it to your network - the server will find it, identify its functionality, and allow it to work with other connected devices that you already own.
4. The device network connections eliminate the need for all existing connector cables.
So for example, let's say you bought a TV. Just plug it in, connect it to the network, and you're done. The server will recognize it as a TV, and set up everything else that you need. You can use your existing network-connected tablet/phone as a remote.
Maybe not all of your content is digital yet - you still have some Blu-Ray discs. So you buy a Blu-Ray player. Plug it in, connect it to the network, and you're done. The server will recognize it, and make the Blu-Ray in the player an additional content source available.
Maybe you want to add a speaker system? Plug in the speakers, connect them to the network, and again you're done. The server will recognize that you added the speakers in the same room as the TV, associate them, and automatically determine which audio channel(s) they should be associated with, and adjust output volume levels based on where you placed them in the room.
boe - Wednesday, January 14, 2015 - link
I was very disappointed that their high end TVs are all curved. I don't know a single person who wants a curved TV. They seem to have the Ford attitude - you can have a Model T in any color you want as long as it is black.