"From a purely practical point of view, the Corsair Gaming K70 RGB is extremely easy to clean, as a simple blow can remove all debris from the aluminum surface of the keyboard."
I can't say that flipping and blowing has ever failed to clean the crud out from under standard keyboard for me. Likewise, wiping the tops of the keycaps clean has been easy on every keyboard I've owned. However, I've never seen one that made it easy to clean the sides of the keycaps once they accumulate a layer of grime (presumably traces of skin oil gluing down dust). That's nearly impossible to get at effectively without dismantling the keyboard; and popping keycaps off is always a pain.
I had a cleaning kit with a specially shaped sponge (flat but with ridges spaced apart at keys height: ____/\______/\______/\__ ). It worked perfectly on cleaning the lower (user facing) sides of the keys, and worked ok for the display facing sides, when moving it from left to right with the ridges between rows of keys. It didn't work very well for the left and right sides though, as it didn't fit well in the spaces between columns of keys though.
Please bring back Dustin Sklavos and his reviews. Sorry E. Fylladitakis, but your writing simply isnt good. I have read pretty much all of your work so far and you simply havent improved in this past year that you have been writing here. I dont think that you are suited for the job. Sorry, but thats the impression that you give me every time i read your reviews.
My apologies that my typo mistake caused you to dislike the review so much. It has been fixed. I do hope that it will not be a reason for you not to buy the keyboard.
That new logo did more to deter me buying the keyboard than whatever these people think is wrong with your writing. I swear, this site and especially its forum has some of the worst-mannered users.
I miss Dustin's writing style but I find E to be more thorough. They tackle their reviews differently is all. I've enjoyed reading all the case reviews by both of them here at Anandtech. Poor writing? Pfft.. And if Dustin is reading this... Tell Corsair I am not happy with them moving away from Seasonic. They can bite me. No more PSU purchases from me.
So I can understand your frustration with us moving away from Seasonic, but you have to understand that we're not just selling Seasonic-rebranded PSUs. Unlike a lot of PSU vendors, we actually have an engineering team that does a LOT of the design and development on some of these. The majority of Corsair power supplies have engineering in them that you just plain can't buy from vendors who just do rebrands and slight tweaks on reference platforms.
Between our QC checks and the fact that our PSU designs are this far removed from reference platforms, the manufacturer becomes much less relevant.
I understand that their not simple rebrandings. It's a collaboration really. But lets face it. That partnership was golden. Buying a Seasonic/Corsair PSU was a no brainer. They made one helluva good team and it drove Corsairs sales even on lesser units. It's a real shame that's ended.
It would be interesting to see what they could do with Inwin and/or Superflower if they ever got it into their heads to go that route. Anyway for now Im on the sidelines with their Power supplies but solidly in their camp with cases and ram (when it's in stock.. we get shortages here in Calgary it seems)
I don't have a problem with it. I find his writing to be quite thorough and logical. Certainly in the grand scheme of today's internet writers it stands well above the average.
You might also consider that English might not be his first language (though judging by name is far from accurate, especially in the modern world), or that he comes from a country where English varies slightly from American--English. Regardless, minor grammar or editing mistakes don't mean the writing is "poor" overall. I get that many people talk like a politician running for office these days - in other words, grossly exaggerate or use inflammatory language - but that is no excuse for calling a person's writing "poor" when it isn't.
I suggest you make such remarks very specific, about the exact phrase or word that bothers you. You might also consider sending him a polite PM instead of posting in a public thread.
FWIW (and this is for the OP and thread in general, not to Sabresiberian) I do an editing pass on all of E.Fyll's work as you're correct: he's not a native English speaker. Sadly, I've been known to miss a typo or two, or even introduce my own errors -- our CMS does have a spell-checker, but I did the editing pass on a different PC early this morning and didn't realize the spell-checking wasn't turned on. Even then, the CMS doesn't catch potential grammar issues, and copying into Word and back becomes rather tedious. I just made a second pass looking for spelling errors and found several that I had missed, but I'm sure there are a few others.
Personally, I view our reviews (and most computer hardware reviews) as being more useful from an informational standpoint than literary works that need to have perfect grammar in order to convey their intended message. We try to catch errors, but in the world of the Internet and with sometimes short review periods it's inevitable that we'll miss some things. Hopefully most of you can still enjoy the technical content, even if we sometimes mangle the English language. :-)
Overall I enjoyed the review and agree with your conclusion. I don't care about he "advanced key options" and the extra 60% cost compared to the vengeance series is too much. I find your writing good, as I am able to read it without becoming confused or rattled.
I believe what people are complaining about is the smoothness of the style. On the last page, the first paragraph begins in 2nd person as "you" are the target audience. But later in that same paragraph the audience is switched to 3rd person "the user". 2nd paragraph is written in 3rd person, and the 3rd paragraph is written in 2nd person again. The 6th paragraph is written in 1st person, and so forth. For some people a single skip on a CD track makes the entire CD unusable, but not myself, as long as it keeps flowing. This style does not bother me. I read for information, and you have gotten your point across on every front. Writing is first and foremost the exchange of information, and you have accomplished that. If you take Dr Ian's writing style as an example he usually keeps most of his paragraphs in 3rd person, and is written more like a lecture or a scientific paper at times which I enjoy reading. Dustin's writing has a lot of passion and is more colloquial and less traditional, and writes in mostly 1st person. He writes with rhetorical questions which engage the reader which I also enjoy reading.
In the end every author writes differently and they should. I do not want the same person writing every review.
I do see your point and appreciate your feedback. Actually, I am to blame for this. You could say that it is the price I pay for "not being myself". My usual writing style is in third person: it also is very formal, short and abrupt. I have been (rightfully) accused of having a bland, cold writing style. I do realize that a strict, formal and direct text is not exactly suitable for this line of work, so I try to "liven it up" a little by either trying to write as if I am lecturing or by narrating my own ideas and experiences - hence the inconsistency. The switching is not ideal but, for example, it is difficult to narrate your own experience in third person without suggesting that it is not your own experience but "a universal truth". Clarity is always my top priority, I do not want to leave room for misconceptions, so it will always take precedence over uniformity when necessary.
I suppose that it might work best if I stick with the third person writing for the majority of the text and switch to first person in paragraphs that describe my own views and experiences.
Write in whatever voice you're most comfortable with and then slowly develop from there. My early stuff here was really stilted because I'm *not* comfortable writing academically. Once I realized I could use my preferred style, it got much easier.
Academic and formal is almost more appropriate for AT than my writing style ever was. Ignore the local yokels and just write how you want to write.
i have no problem with the writer, he did a great job here and in other articles, if you have a problem then its your own problem and i would suggest you move on or go else where.
typos are common when writing any article, so stop crying like babies and get to the core of the article not the writer.
While I'd almost take that as a compliment, I remember getting comments just like this one when I started at AT. I had one person say I needed to be fired.
Your feedback isn't constructive, it's not helpful in any meaningful way, the only purpose it serves is to be hurtful while you hide behind the internet. E.'s writing is fine, it's just more academic in style than mine was. Different is not worse or better, it's different. But E.'s methodology (at least with cases and cooling) is more sound than mine was, E. can do extremely detailed PSU reviews, and he happens to be picking up peripherals.
As for the typo you guys are griping about, I was corrected roughly once an article. It happens.
E. has my complete confidence, support, endorsement, whatever you want to call it. I *like* my successor. If it had been up to me I *still* would've chosen him.
Oh god this is hilarious. Is there anything funnier than a would-be pedant who fails the most basic grammar test?
Anyway, for this tempest in a teapot, I've spent a lot of time reading and writing academic articles...there's nothing wrong with this one. I don't need florid prose, this isn't the fucking New Yorker. Functional writing serves fine thank you and I just care about the content. Which is great as usual. Move on haters.
I want to say you had a almost lazy approach that worked well for you because you developed it. (A compliment) Going to miss reading your articles here but nothing wrong with E's. Should never let the "to critical" get under your skins. Fact is he's engaging the readership in the feedback section and does some pretty detailed reviews. Styles are different is all and while they may be emulated I'd rather see the diversified approach everyone has.. I think most of the readership would agree on that.
@llias78: Please bring (back?) a modicum of respect & civility to your comments.
Sorry llias78, but your critiquing skills are simply lacking. I have read the entirety of your comment above, and you frankly display no penchant for structured reasoning or contextual rhetorical formulation. Further, you fail to provide even the 1st shred of evidence upon which the greater readership might find hope for you to develop & display any cognitive or stylistic improvements at anytime during the upcoming year.
While you are undeniably entitled to embrace any opinion you "feel like" embracing, & are entirely within your rights to express such "feelings" (consistent, of course, with any prevailing forum rules or guidelines), none-the-less, I dont think that you are well suited for the job of interpersonal communications.
While I'm arguably no more "Sorry" than you advised that you were, I do find it regrettable that I was unable to arrive at any conclusions other than those I've noted above. So ... Sorry, but those are the conclusions I arrived at every time i reread your review comment.
When you can do better Illia78 and actually have something published under your name get back to us. Till then go drink a glass of shut the fuck up! I'm so sick of whiney ass pussies behind a keyboard that have nothing good to say.
For the second time this year, I am left out in the cold waiting for another Corsair rebate. It may come eventually - who knows ... How long will this one take though? The first one was nearly 4 months late and now this one is late also. I know that rebates are a gamble but nonetheless I have the right to be annoyed when one doesn't come. Get your act together Corsair. I suspect I will get it but every time it's the same process with Corsair (obvious attempt to defraud the customer):
- rebate delayed by 1 month to 1 year - rebate finally processed successfully and they claim payment sent - payment does not arrive by due date; phone call results in being told to "give it 6-8 more weeks" (they suggest it is the post office's fault) - another phone call results in them supposedly re-mailing the payment and telling me to wait another 8-10 weeks - sometimes it comes within 3 months. other times I have to repeat the previous step
It is usually 8-12 months after the rebate was submitted by the time I actually get the prepaid credit card.
I called Corsair today and as usual they gave me a song and dance. I asked at what point they would concede that my rebate is "lost" and send another. She outright refused to answer and kept repeating "I apologize for the delay." She then said that it's Visa's fault for not sending me the prepaid card and "out of our control."
She then told me to wait another week and see if the card comes. I replied "ok, so I should call back in a week if it doesn't come?" She told me not to call back because it may take a week or a month and she reiterated the bit about it being Visa's fault and still refused to give me a definitive point when or even if they would send out another card.
Off topic, much? I never know what to think about posts like this. Mail-in rebates are always a bit of a risk, but I'm guessing your post is just trolling of a company that at one point irritated you. Case in point: http://www.overclockers.com/forums/archive/index.p...
------------------- Ach3r0n, 07-22-09, 12:28 AM:
For the second time this year, I am left out in the cold waiting for another Corsair rebate. It may come eventually - who knows ... How long will this one take though? The first one was nearly 4 months late and now this one is late also. I know that rebates are a gamble but nonetheless I have the right to be annoyed when one doesn't come. Get your act together Corsair. -------------------
So are you the same person posting the same starting text a full FOUR YEARS after being burned by Corsair? I find that highly unlikely, but I'll leave the comment with this post just so others can see that while you've added something to the original text, at least some of what you've said is from years ago.
The whole comment is a copy/paste of Ach3r0n's posts from that thread. You can google any line you wish with quotes around it and you'll get 2 results: this page and that thread from 2009. I'm not sure who this guy is but I've seen him in a few comment threads now and he only seems to copy and paste user complaints from old posts on other forums and user sites. I saw him post something similar in the article about the Synology DS415+.
I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that it's more likely to be a competitor comment inserting from a list of approved talking points to insert in a comment section. I see it mostly on political forums (as seen in the BC Canada provincial election with 50% of all comments made on tons of sites coming from the same 100 ip addresses) So it certainly wouldn't surprise me to see similar tactics used on merchandise. Hell maybe they started it and political manipulators refined it who knows.. (it's a observation I have no concrete evidence or first hand knowledge about)
Anandtech's strength is it's willingness by it's staff to engage in the feedback section where the comments can sometimes be more important than the actual article and the space is at times very busy so it's quite possible anyway.
That is correct. I have access to a TA.XT Plus texture analyser, a machine that can check the exact actuation force of every key. It can actually extract the exact travel/force graph of every key as well, but I am not using it for that unless there is a serious reason (far too time-consuming).
The aluminium body is a great feature: I type quite forcefully and I like the feel of a sturdy keyboard. It just feels more "real". Cross supports should feel great, too. My current keyboard unfortunately does not have that feature.
Now all they have to do is release a non-rgb version at a lower price point for those who don't care about backlighting.
You mean the non-RGB K70 that's already been on sale for something like a year?
As far as I can tell it's virtually identical aside from the RGB LEDs, and I'd be surprised if CUE isn't compatible with it (though it's worth checking of course).
Great review! I think if user is not psyched about the RGB mode and have ASUS ROG line MB, then they can simply buy Vengeance K70 and use keybot feature to program K70. At least that's what I plan to do.
Whats up with that logo??? Why not just use the normal Corsair logo which represents corsair? Corsair is a premium brandname now, they most certainly dont need to come up with a gimmicky logo like that to reinvent themselves.
But Duuude! The logo is this really ominous & imposing Alien Skull that's been formed in outline by transposing (something kinda like) 2 of those wicked awesome Klingon 2-handed sword/axe/hacksaw hand-to-hand combat things!
Either that or it's a silhouette of the Lorax being hung upside down for some reason (probably by a really ominous & imposing Alien!)
For anyone bothered by the "click" sound when the key cap bottoms out, there are companies who make tiny rubber o-rings that you can insert between the key cap and the switch. These o-rings absorb the click sound. Note that those o-rings do *not* silence the internal clicking sound from the intentionally clicky switches, such as the Cherry MX Blue. The rings only remove the click from the key caps bottoming out.
Also, when typing regularly you shouldn't NEED to bottom out every keystroke, that's kinda the point of having the actuation and clicky halfway down the travel. It's actually BAD from an ergo/stress standpoint to bottom out constantly.
During gaming it's another story since keys are held down so often, you invariably need to bottom out.
And this is why I waver between the Red and Brown switches. The former don't have that bump at the actuation point, so it's hard to retrain yourself to type lightly. At the same time, I actually do tend to game more often that type these days, so having that bump while playing might get annoying. Right now I have a K70 w/ Red that I picked up on sale at Best Buy some time ago. I like it for gaming... typing not so much. Maybe I need to pick up a basic Blue switch keyboard to swap in and out when I'm going to do something more function, like writing or learning how to code.
Ehh, I kinda like the logo. I'll grant you it does look a little tramp stamp-ish and smacks of a tired tribal tattoo style, but it still looks cool. Doesn't look as classy as their standard logo on a product that's otherwise pretty classy looking, but that do market it as a gaming keyboard so... I bet their market research behind that logo would be interesting to read.
Anyway, I'm still happy with my OG K90... Got it for a steal during a combined sale/rebate (like <$90 shortly after launch, years ago, I think MSRP was much higher then). I've been getting the itch to try a TKL, but if I don't end up loving it I'll probably end up at the K95 RGB eventually.
And I though the Logitech's G logo was awful when they first released it. So now we have the new gaming sub-brand for Corsair, which is:
1. Has a tramp stamp for a logo (no, no need to argue, it's a tramp stamp, in tribal styling, end of discussion). 2. Has cornered itself into a yellow/black color combination with their headset (I prefer to have all my gaming gear to be the same brand), so even though I can change RGB colors on mice and keyboards, headsets are fixed. I guess corsair did mot learn from MSI's mistakes...
Who cares about headsets? Real headphones + Vmoda BoomPro / Antlion ModMic / Zalman clip on is where it's at. Companies that have been making headphones for decades or are dedicated exclusively to it tend to build much better sounding crap for the money, go figure.
Not that I'm diminishing your argument for color coordination... I'm totally that vain too, but I ended up with all blue mostly out of laziness, so easy to find blue RAM, blue backlit anything, etc.
Most people on a budget that play FPS games are fine with a 7.1 software headset. I used to own an expensive set of equipment, but this day an age software based 7.1 is all you need, minus drivers issues. Regardless, the color and the logo beg the question if corsair's marketing is actually sober enough to function properly on day-to-day basis.
PS. I prefer blue and black myself. Red is overdone, and since corsair is competing with blue (logitech 2.0, roccat, madcatz and saitek, whatever is left of it), and red/orange (asus, CM, TT, cougar etc), as well as razer's god-knowns-what-kind-of-color, the only untouched territory is yellow/black. MSI did it once and was quick to add the red-gaming series the next year. It seems corsair design team are no student of their mistakes.
I think you should throw in some real world testing.
I had a K90 and I accidently dumped a pint of beer into it. It never worked again. I have had other keyboards that survived the "beverage test". If I knew the K90 was so susceptible to liquid I would not have bought it. This keyboard is similar in appearance and costs even more. It would break my heart if I accidently spilled some water or coffee onto my $170 keyboard and it bricked it.
My K90 was heavy, it felt like I could bash a watermelon with it. In reality it was fairly fragile in its susceptibility to liquid.. For that much cost, it should be able to withstand a little wear and tear. Do you still have your test unit? Spill some coffee into it and tell me what happens :-P
I dumped some water on my Corsair K70 by accident, and although it did initially input weird strings like "01234567890." when I pressed certain keys (around the water), allowing the water to dry out and dry helped. I have the black version, and that happened to be a nice, hot day. The keyboard worked fine after that.
My Vengeance 70 keyboard currently has 28 failed LEDs. I should probably look into some type of RMA, but have recently amused myself by playing the "What key is burned out today" game. With an average of 1-2 failed LEDs per week, there's potential to find another every time I look at the keyboard!
Interestingly, all of the LEDs on my older Vengeance 90 are working fine.
Do the LEDs burn out after a couple months? My Corsair K95 has 4 dead LEDs and 3 dim and about to die LEDs after owning it for just 4 months. My old Logitech keyboards never lost lighting but my old G15 after 5 years started flickering a little. 5 years is a lot longer than 4 months and an acceptable lifetime for a keyboard.
Mine should be here Thursday! I've been waiting for something like this to replace my Saitek Eclipse II. I often type in the dark and lighted keyboards are helpful, even with my 35+ years of Computers. I love the size, no extra keys on the side. I am sadly space constrained, after years of having a huge corner desk, but that's another story....
Done a read, search and a Googling...but just to confirm, there's no audio jacks included? Couldn't find any evidence there was in the new K95 either. I kinda love having a short-lead, clip-on microphone plugged into the keyboard, especially since I use 'proper' headphones for all my audio rather than a headset. It keeps out of the way and can bugger it off without having to rummage around the back of my case/have cables hanging off the front of my case.
While the RGB backlighting is cool, and I love the feel of mechanical switches, I would *not* buy this keyboard. The logo is just too much. I am not a professional gamer, I don't need to advertise what brand accessories I own! Also, not having a removeable USB cord, a la the WASD Code, is a draw back. I do like the volume and media buttons, those are a nice touch.
Anyone who works with a computer and stares at the same thing for extended periods of time is going to miss things no matter how thoroughly they checked them over. It happens to writers, programmers, people who do marketing, etc. You get so familiar with the work that things that are obvious to a new set of eyes get overlooked, that's one of the primary reasons you have a separation of duties in the first place.
You may not like the writing style, but pointing out a typo should be blamed on the editor and not the writer. Just like a programmer who misses a formatting issue isn't at fault, that is the analyst/testers job.
This is my first Mechanical Keyboard, and it rocks for most stuff! I have all my standard games keys mapped out in a different color's etc. The software blows for easy of use, and I'm a developer of 30+ years. With so much complexity, you'd think they'd have a compiler for writing custom apps.
The only complaint I have about the hardware is it is dark till windows boots, which is really stupid for a lighted keyboard. So hitting the right keys for your password is tricky in the dark. I hope they have a fix for that soon!
@RoninX , I've got a Razer Black Widow Ultimate right here and have had it just over a year. Just to respond to your post I've just posted my experiences with it here [http://www.anandtech.com/comments/7911/razer-black...]. That's actually in the comments of the review of a newer version of the keyboard. Seemed more appropriate than here or in the capsule review of the actual model.
From what I'm reading about the K70's & K95's, as long as you get a good one, they seem preferable to me.
Mostly my Razer experience has been good. See my comments in the other article for details. Basically t's worked exactly as advertised, no more, no less. All the blue LEDs are still burning, but every pain I could have anticipated from reading reviews and the docs is still there. Specifically those pains are:
(1) non-standard key layout (2) they require you to run their software (and newer versions require an internet connection) even for functionality which is 100% contained in the keyboard - there's a Record Macro button and it doesn't work unless you've got Synapse installed.
Guys I am about to buy this keyboard (it costs 190 euros here). Is it a high quality keyboard? Will it last for years? Is it worth every euro? Should I buy the simple K70?
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DanNeely - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
"From a purely practical point of view, the Corsair Gaming K70 RGB is extremely easy to clean, as a simple blow can remove all debris from the aluminum surface of the keyboard."I can't say that flipping and blowing has ever failed to clean the crud out from under standard keyboard for me. Likewise, wiping the tops of the keycaps clean has been easy on every keyboard I've owned. However, I've never seen one that made it easy to clean the sides of the keycaps once they accumulate a layer of grime (presumably traces of skin oil gluing down dust). That's nearly impossible to get at effectively without dismantling the keyboard; and popping keycaps off is always a pain.
Calin - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
I had a cleaning kit with a specially shaped sponge (flat but with ridges spaced apart at keys height: ____/\______/\______/\__ ). It worked perfectly on cleaning the lower (user facing) sides of the keys, and worked ok for the display facing sides, when moving it from left to right with the ridges between rows of keys. It didn't work very well for the left and right sides though, as it didn't fit well in the spaces between columns of keys though.Wixman666 - Thursday, September 25, 2014 - link
Old toothbrush and some Windex works awesome for that.Ilias78 - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Please bring back Dustin Sklavos and his reviews. Sorry E. Fylladitakis, but your writing simply isnt good. I have read pretty much all of your work so far and you simply havent improved in this past year that you have been writing here. I dont think that you are suited for the job. Sorry, but thats the impression that you give me every time i read your reviews.Essence_of_War - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Dustin works for Corsair now...Impulses - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Jeez, tech companies need to stop using Anandtech writers as a talent farm... :pKaboose - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Agreed."the Corsair Gaming K70 RGB leaves us no room for complains"
Just poor writing.
Essence_of_War - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
I will grant that "complains" vs. "complaints" is a copy-edit miss, but that is hardly "poor writing".Tetracycloide - Saturday, September 27, 2014 - link
"Great writers are easy to spot because their spelling and grammar are perfect."-Some idiot on the internet once.
Sabresiberian - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
There is this thing. Ir's called a "typo". It means a word was unintentionally misspelled.Which is hardly poor writing. One might question the editing/review process, but that has nothing to do with the overall quality of the writing.
hughlle - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
Good writers do this thing called proof reading. Not the hardest thing to do on a 4 page review..Tetracycloide - Saturday, September 27, 2014 - link
Not sure if serious...E.Fyll - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
My apologies that my typo mistake caused you to dislike the review so much. It has been fixed. I do hope that it will not be a reason for you not to buy the keyboard.RiDE - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
That new logo did more to deter me buying the keyboard than whatever these people think is wrong with your writing. I swear, this site and especially its forum has some of the worst-mannered users.just4U - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
I miss Dustin's writing style but I find E to be more thorough. They tackle their reviews differently is all. I've enjoyed reading all the case reviews by both of them here at Anandtech. Poor writing? Pfft.. And if Dustin is reading this... Tell Corsair I am not happy with them moving away from Seasonic. They can bite me. No more PSU purchases from me.Dustin Sklavos - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
As a matter of fact I *am* reading this!So I can understand your frustration with us moving away from Seasonic, but you have to understand that we're not just selling Seasonic-rebranded PSUs. Unlike a lot of PSU vendors, we actually have an engineering team that does a LOT of the design and development on some of these. The majority of Corsair power supplies have engineering in them that you just plain can't buy from vendors who just do rebrands and slight tweaks on reference platforms.
Between our QC checks and the fact that our PSU designs are this far removed from reference platforms, the manufacturer becomes much less relevant.
just4U - Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - link
I understand that their not simple rebrandings. It's a collaboration really. But lets face it. That partnership was golden. Buying a Seasonic/Corsair PSU was a no brainer. They made one helluva good team and it drove Corsairs sales even on lesser units. It's a real shame that's ended.just4U - Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - link
It would be interesting to see what they could do with Inwin and/or Superflower if they ever got it into their heads to go that route. Anyway for now Im on the sidelines with their Power supplies but solidly in their camp with cases and ram (when it's in stock.. we get shortages here in Calgary it seems)YazX_ - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
how old are you? 3 years old?this is called TYPO, write an article and show us how many typos you will have.
Barilla - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
As far as I know, Dustin is currently working for... Corsair ;)lehtv - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
So they sent Dustin over to Corsair, and in return, Corsair sent Fylladitakis to AT? Makes sense.Sabresiberian - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
I don't have a problem with it. I find his writing to be quite thorough and logical. Certainly in the grand scheme of today's internet writers it stands well above the average.You might also consider that English might not be his first language (though judging by name is far from accurate, especially in the modern world), or that he comes from a country where English varies slightly from American--English. Regardless, minor grammar or editing mistakes don't mean the writing is "poor" overall. I get that many people talk like a politician running for office these days - in other words, grossly exaggerate or use inflammatory language - but that is no excuse for calling a person's writing "poor" when it isn't.
I suggest you make such remarks very specific, about the exact phrase or word that bothers you. You might also consider sending him a polite PM instead of posting in a public thread.
JarredWalton - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
FWIW (and this is for the OP and thread in general, not to Sabresiberian) I do an editing pass on all of E.Fyll's work as you're correct: he's not a native English speaker. Sadly, I've been known to miss a typo or two, or even introduce my own errors -- our CMS does have a spell-checker, but I did the editing pass on a different PC early this morning and didn't realize the spell-checking wasn't turned on. Even then, the CMS doesn't catch potential grammar issues, and copying into Word and back becomes rather tedious. I just made a second pass looking for spelling errors and found several that I had missed, but I'm sure there are a few others.Personally, I view our reviews (and most computer hardware reviews) as being more useful from an informational standpoint than literary works that need to have perfect grammar in order to convey their intended message. We try to catch errors, but in the world of the Internet and with sometimes short review periods it's inevitable that we'll miss some things. Hopefully most of you can still enjoy the technical content, even if we sometimes mangle the English language. :-)
bebimbap - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Overall I enjoyed the review and agree with your conclusion. I don't care about he "advanced key options" and the extra 60% cost compared to the vengeance series is too much.I find your writing good, as I am able to read it without becoming confused or rattled.
I believe what people are complaining about is the smoothness of the style. On the last page, the first paragraph begins in 2nd person as "you" are the target audience. But later in that same paragraph the audience is switched to 3rd person "the user". 2nd paragraph is written in 3rd person, and the 3rd paragraph is written in 2nd person again. The 6th paragraph is written in 1st person, and so forth. For some people a single skip on a CD track makes the entire CD unusable, but not myself, as long as it keeps flowing. This style does not bother me. I read for information, and you have gotten your point across on every front. Writing is first and foremost the exchange of information, and you have accomplished that.
If you take Dr Ian's writing style as an example he usually keeps most of his paragraphs in 3rd person, and is written more like a lecture or a scientific paper at times which I enjoy reading.
Dustin's writing has a lot of passion and is more colloquial and less traditional, and writes in mostly 1st person. He writes with rhetorical questions which engage the reader which I also enjoy reading.
In the end every author writes differently and they should. I do not want the same person writing every review.
E.Fyll - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
I do see your point and appreciate your feedback. Actually, I am to blame for this. You could say that it is the price I pay for "not being myself". My usual writing style is in third person: it also is very formal, short and abrupt. I have been (rightfully) accused of having a bland, cold writing style. I do realize that a strict, formal and direct text is not exactly suitable for this line of work, so I try to "liven it up" a little by either trying to write as if I am lecturing or by narrating my own ideas and experiences - hence the inconsistency. The switching is not ideal but, for example, it is difficult to narrate your own experience in third person without suggesting that it is not your own experience but "a universal truth". Clarity is always my top priority, I do not want to leave room for misconceptions, so it will always take precedence over uniformity when necessary.I suppose that it might work best if I stick with the third person writing for the majority of the text and switch to first person in paragraphs that describe my own views and experiences.
Dustin Sklavos - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Write in whatever voice you're most comfortable with and then slowly develop from there. My early stuff here was really stilted because I'm *not* comfortable writing academically. Once I realized I could use my preferred style, it got much easier.Academic and formal is almost more appropriate for AT than my writing style ever was. Ignore the local yokels and just write how you want to write.
nathanddrews - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
On the contrary, I thought it was an excellent article. I'd be all over this keyboard if it came with MX Black keys.YazX_ - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
i have no problem with the writer, he did a great job here and in other articles, if you have a problem then its your own problem and i would suggest you move on or go else where.typos are common when writing any article, so stop crying like babies and get to the core of the article not the writer.
DigitalFreak - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
If you want to see some bad review writing, try reading video card reviews at HardOCP. Almost painful.Dustin Sklavos - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
While I'd almost take that as a compliment, I remember getting comments just like this one when I started at AT. I had one person say I needed to be fired.Your feedback isn't constructive, it's not helpful in any meaningful way, the only purpose it serves is to be hurtful while you hide behind the internet. E.'s writing is fine, it's just more academic in style than mine was. Different is not worse or better, it's different. But E.'s methodology (at least with cases and cooling) is more sound than mine was, E. can do extremely detailed PSU reviews, and he happens to be picking up peripherals.
As for the typo you guys are griping about, I was corrected roughly once an article. It happens.
E. has my complete confidence, support, endorsement, whatever you want to call it. I *like* my successor. If it had been up to me I *still* would've chosen him.
Stephen Barrett - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
I received a you-should-be-fired email to me and Anand on my second article. I bet I set a record.Stephen Barrett - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
Anand and IFail
DPUser - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
Anand and me.Fail Failed.
Evil_Sheep - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
Oh god this is hilarious. Is there anything funnier than a would-be pedant who fails the most basic grammar test?Anyway, for this tempest in a teapot, I've spent a lot of time reading and writing academic articles...there's nothing wrong with this one. I don't need florid prose, this isn't the fucking New Yorker. Functional writing serves fine thank you and I just care about the content. Which is great as usual. Move on haters.
Dustin Sklavos - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
The local yokels desperately fear change. ;)just4U - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
I want to say you had a almost lazy approach that worked well for you because you developed it. (A compliment) Going to miss reading your articles here but nothing wrong with E's. Should never let the "to critical" get under your skins. Fact is he's engaging the readership in the feedback section and does some pretty detailed reviews. Styles are different is all and while they may be emulated I'd rather see the diversified approach everyone has.. I think most of the readership would agree on that.Bobs_Your_Uncle - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
@llias78: Please bring (back?) a modicum of respect & civility to your comments.Sorry llias78, but your critiquing skills are simply lacking. I have read the entirety of your comment above, and you frankly display no penchant for structured reasoning or contextual rhetorical formulation. Further, you fail to provide even the 1st shred of evidence upon which the greater readership might find hope for you to develop & display any cognitive or stylistic improvements at anytime during the upcoming year.
While you are undeniably entitled to embrace any opinion you "feel like" embracing, & are entirely within your rights to express such "feelings" (consistent, of course, with any prevailing forum rules or guidelines), none-the-less, I dont think that you are well suited for the job of interpersonal communications.
While I'm arguably no more "Sorry" than you advised that you were, I do find it regrettable that I was unable to arrive at any conclusions other than those I've noted above. So ... Sorry, but those are the conclusions I arrived at every time i reread your review comment.
Rob94hawk - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
When you can do better Illia78 and actually have something published under your name get back to us. Till then go drink a glass of shut the fuck up! I'm so sick of whiney ass pussies behind a keyboard that have nothing good to say.AppleCrappleHater2 - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
For the second time this year, I am left out in the cold waiting for another Corsair rebate. It may come eventually - who knows ... How long will this one take though? The first one was nearly 4 months late and now this one is late also.I know that rebates are a gamble but nonetheless I have the right to be annoyed when one doesn't come.
Get your act together Corsair.
I suspect I will get it but every time it's the same process with Corsair (obvious attempt to defraud the customer):
- rebate delayed by 1 month to 1 year
- rebate finally processed successfully and they claim payment sent
- payment does not arrive by due date; phone call results in being told to "give it 6-8 more weeks" (they suggest it is the post office's fault)
- another phone call results in them supposedly re-mailing the payment and telling me to wait another 8-10 weeks
- sometimes it comes within 3 months. other times I have to repeat the previous step
It is usually 8-12 months after the rebate was submitted by the time I actually get the prepaid credit card.
I called Corsair today and as usual they gave me a song and dance. I asked at what point they would concede that my rebate is "lost" and send another. She outright refused to answer and kept repeating "I apologize for the delay." She then said that it's Visa's fault for not sending me the prepaid card and "out of our control."
She then told me to wait another week and see if the card comes. I replied "ok, so I should call back in a week if it doesn't come?" She told me not to call back because it may take a week or a month and she reiterated the bit about it being Visa's fault and still refused to give me a definitive point when or even if they would send out another card.
These people are crooks, plain and simple.
JarredWalton - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Off topic, much? I never know what to think about posts like this. Mail-in rebates are always a bit of a risk, but I'm guessing your post is just trolling of a company that at one point irritated you. Case in point: http://www.overclockers.com/forums/archive/index.p...-------------------
Ach3r0n, 07-22-09, 12:28 AM:
For the second time this year, I am left out in the cold waiting for another Corsair rebate. It may come eventually - who knows ... How long will this one take though? The first one was nearly 4 months late and now this one is late also. I know that rebates are a gamble but nonetheless I have the right to be annoyed when one doesn't come. Get your act together Corsair.
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So are you the same person posting the same starting text a full FOUR YEARS after being burned by Corsair? I find that highly unlikely, but I'll leave the comment with this post just so others can see that while you've added something to the original text, at least some of what you've said is from years ago.
staiaoman - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
pwn3d.Stephen Barrett - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
Wowwwww Jarred hits the finishing move!Dustin Sklavos - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
That was one of the fun parts when I was writing here. Jarred almost never curses, but the creativity of his pwnage is staggering.WithoutWeakness - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
The whole comment is a copy/paste of Ach3r0n's posts from that thread. You can google any line you wish with quotes around it and you'll get 2 results: this page and that thread from 2009. I'm not sure who this guy is but I've seen him in a few comment threads now and he only seems to copy and paste user complaints from old posts on other forums and user sites. I saw him post something similar in the article about the Synology DS415+.just4U - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that it's more likely to be a competitor comment inserting from a list of approved talking points to insert in a comment section. I see it mostly on political forums (as seen in the BC Canada provincial election with 50% of all comments made on tons of sites coming from the same 100 ip addresses) So it certainly wouldn't surprise me to see similar tactics used on merchandise. Hell maybe they started it and political manipulators refined it who knows.. (it's a observation I have no concrete evidence or first hand knowledge about)Anandtech's strength is it's willingness by it's staff to engage in the feedback section where the comments can sometimes be more important than the actual article and the space is at times very busy so it's quite possible anyway.
SilverRubicon - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Excellent review.Ryun - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Can't stand the new logo. Ew. Looks like a design someone would get for a tramp stamp.Gunbuster - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
I have to agree, that is a terrible logo.What are the other choices for RGB mech keyboards? Razer and Ducky?
singulariter - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
+1000. More gaming hardware with crap branding. Seriously no more dragons or horns or stars please.oleguy682 - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
Great, now you've gone and given them an idea for some horned dragon among the stars for the next product line.I hope you're proud of yourself. :-P
singulariter - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
Noooooooooooooopeterfares - Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - link
What were they thinking? The normal Corsair logo looks fine and doesn't pop out at you. This new logo it terrible, especially the yellow text.FriendlyUser - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Nice review, thanks, especially for pointing out the "input lag" bug. That is a deal-breaker for high-end gaming.By "texture analyzer" you mean that you actually measured the actuation force with special hardware? I appreciate that kind of detail.
E.Fyll - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
That is correct. I have access to a TA.XT Plus texture analyser, a machine that can check the exact actuation force of every key. It can actually extract the exact travel/force graph of every key as well, but I am not using it for that unless there is a serious reason (far too time-consuming).FriendlyUser - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
The aluminium body is a great feature: I type quite forcefully and I like the feel of a sturdy keyboard. It just feels more "real". Cross supports should feel great, too. My current keyboard unfortunately does not have that feature.Now all they have to do is release a non-rgb version at a lower price point for those who don't care about backlighting.
Friendly0Fire - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
You mean the non-RGB K70 that's already been on sale for something like a year?As far as I can tell it's virtually identical aside from the RGB LEDs, and I'd be surprised if CUE isn't compatible with it (though it's worth checking of course).
Dustin Sklavos - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
There's no reason to use CUE with the vanilla K70. Nothing to configure. ;)E.Fyll - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
Uh, not really. The Vengeance K70 -at least the current revision- is using a different microprocessor and is not programmable.Xed - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
For once I'm happy to be an early adopter. My keyboards just have the normal black Corsair logo.JoyTech - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Great review! I think if user is not psyched about the RGB mode and have ASUS ROG line MB, then they can simply buy Vengeance K70 and use keybot feature to program K70. At least that's what I plan to do.poohbear - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Whats up with that logo??? Why not just use the normal Corsair logo which represents corsair? Corsair is a premium brandname now, they most certainly dont need to come up with a gimmicky logo like that to reinvent themselves.RiDE - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
They just launched the Corsair Gaming division today. Not a fan of the new logo either.Bobs_Your_Uncle - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
But Duuude! The logo is this really ominous & imposing Alien Skull that's been formed in outline by transposing (something kinda like) 2 of those wicked awesome Klingon 2-handed sword/axe/hacksaw hand-to-hand combat things!Either that or it's a silhouette of the Lorax being hung upside down for some reason (probably by a really ominous & imposing Alien!)
LancerVI - Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - link
The logo looks like a 'tramp stamp'It's really bad! I'm normally easy to please, but good lord. It's terrible!
piiman - Saturday, September 27, 2014 - link
Can you imagine what the losing designs must have looked like?zyxtomatic - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
For anyone bothered by the "click" sound when the key cap bottoms out, there are companies who make tiny rubber o-rings that you can insert between the key cap and the switch. These o-rings absorb the click sound. Note that those o-rings do *not* silence the internal clicking sound from the intentionally clicky switches, such as the Cherry MX Blue. The rings only remove the click from the key caps bottoming out.Impulses - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Also, when typing regularly you shouldn't NEED to bottom out every keystroke, that's kinda the point of having the actuation and clicky halfway down the travel. It's actually BAD from an ergo/stress standpoint to bottom out constantly.During gaming it's another story since keys are held down so often, you invariably need to bottom out.
oleguy682 - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
And this is why I waver between the Red and Brown switches. The former don't have that bump at the actuation point, so it's hard to retrain yourself to type lightly. At the same time, I actually do tend to game more often that type these days, so having that bump while playing might get annoying. Right now I have a K70 w/ Red that I picked up on sale at Best Buy some time ago. I like it for gaming... typing not so much. Maybe I need to pick up a basic Blue switch keyboard to swap in and out when I'm going to do something more function, like writing or learning how to code.Impulses - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Ehh, I kinda like the logo. I'll grant you it does look a little tramp stamp-ish and smacks of a tired tribal tattoo style, but it still looks cool. Doesn't look as classy as their standard logo on a product that's otherwise pretty classy looking, but that do market it as a gaming keyboard so... I bet their market research behind that logo would be interesting to read.Anyway, I'm still happy with my OG K90... Got it for a steal during a combined sale/rebate (like <$90 shortly after launch, years ago, I think MSRP was much higher then). I've been getting the itch to try a TKL, but if I don't end up loving it I'll probably end up at the K95 RGB eventually.
Antronman - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
The price hike from the standard K70 just isn't justifiable for me...YazX_ - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Thanks for this excellent review.LogitechFan - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
And I though the Logitech's G logo was awful when they first released it. So now we have the new gaming sub-brand for Corsair, which is:1. Has a tramp stamp for a logo (no, no need to argue, it's a tramp stamp, in tribal styling, end of discussion).
2. Has cornered itself into a yellow/black color combination with their headset (I prefer to have all my gaming gear to be the same brand), so even though I can change RGB colors on mice and keyboards, headsets are fixed. I guess corsair did mot learn from MSI's mistakes...
Impulses - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
Who cares about headsets? Real headphones + Vmoda BoomPro / Antlion ModMic / Zalman clip on is where it's at. Companies that have been making headphones for decades or are dedicated exclusively to it tend to build much better sounding crap for the money, go figure.Not that I'm diminishing your argument for color coordination... I'm totally that vain too, but I ended up with all blue mostly out of laziness, so easy to find blue RAM, blue backlit anything, etc.
LogitechFan - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
Most people on a budget that play FPS games are fine with a 7.1 software headset. I used to own an expensive set of equipment, but this day an age software based 7.1 is all you need, minus drivers issues. Regardless, the color and the logo beg the question if corsair's marketing is actually sober enough to function properly on day-to-day basis.PS. I prefer blue and black myself. Red is overdone, and since corsair is competing with blue (logitech 2.0, roccat, madcatz and saitek, whatever is left of it), and red/orange (asus, CM, TT, cougar etc), as well as razer's god-knowns-what-kind-of-color, the only untouched territory is yellow/black. MSI did it once and was quick to add the red-gaming series the next year. It seems corsair design team are no student of their mistakes.
RoninX - Monday, September 22, 2014 - link
It would be interesting to see a head-to-head comparison of the K70/K95 to Razer's Black Widow Ultimate keyboard.faster - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
I think you should throw in some real world testing.I had a K90 and I accidently dumped a pint of beer into it. It never worked again. I have had other keyboards that survived the "beverage test". If I knew the K90 was so susceptible to liquid I would not have bought it. This keyboard is similar in appearance and costs even more. It would break my heart if I accidently spilled some water or coffee onto my $170 keyboard and it bricked it.
My K90 was heavy, it felt like I could bash a watermelon with it. In reality it was fairly fragile in its susceptibility to liquid.. For that much cost, it should be able to withstand a little wear and tear. Do you still have your test unit? Spill some coffee into it and tell me what happens :-P
localhostrulez - Saturday, September 27, 2014 - link
I dumped some water on my Corsair K70 by accident, and although it did initially input weird strings like "01234567890." when I pressed certain keys (around the water), allowing the water to dry out and dry helped. I have the black version, and that happened to be a nice, hot day. The keyboard worked fine after that.Beagus - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
Very good review!Now I just need an excuse to "upgrade" my V K70 to this K70 RGB.
bryanb - Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - link
My Vengeance 70 keyboard currently has 28 failed LEDs. I should probably look into some type of RMA, but have recently amused myself by playing the "What key is burned out today" game. With an average of 1-2 failed LEDs per week, there's potential to find another every time I look at the keyboard!Interestingly, all of the LEDs on my older Vengeance 90 are working fine.
peterfares - Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - link
Do the LEDs burn out after a couple months? My Corsair K95 has 4 dead LEDs and 3 dim and about to die LEDs after owning it for just 4 months. My old Logitech keyboards never lost lighting but my old G15 after 5 years started flickering a little. 5 years is a lot longer than 4 months and an acceptable lifetime for a keyboard.ol1bit - Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - link
Mine should be here Thursday! I've been waiting for something like this to replace my Saitek Eclipse II. I often type in the dark and lighted keyboards are helpful, even with my 35+ years of Computers. I love the size, no extra keys on the side. I am sadly space constrained, after years of having a huge corner desk, but that's another story....JaredNihilist - Thursday, September 25, 2014 - link
Done a read, search and a Googling...but just to confirm, there's no audio jacks included? Couldn't find any evidence there was in the new K95 either. I kinda love having a short-lead, clip-on microphone plugged into the keyboard, especially since I use 'proper' headphones for all my audio rather than a headset. It keeps out of the way and can bugger it off without having to rummage around the back of my case/have cables hanging off the front of my case.DiHydro - Friday, September 26, 2014 - link
While the RGB backlighting is cool, and I love the feel of mechanical switches, I would *not* buy this keyboard. The logo is just too much. I am not a professional gamer, I don't need to advertise what brand accessories I own! Also, not having a removeable USB cord, a la the WASD Code, is a draw back. I do like the volume and media buttons, those are a nice touch.piiman - Saturday, October 11, 2014 - link
" I don't need to advertise what brand accessories I own! "It had a logo even on the old version so you'd be advertising either way.
aithos - Friday, September 26, 2014 - link
Anyone who works with a computer and stares at the same thing for extended periods of time is going to miss things no matter how thoroughly they checked them over. It happens to writers, programmers, people who do marketing, etc. You get so familiar with the work that things that are obvious to a new set of eyes get overlooked, that's one of the primary reasons you have a separation of duties in the first place.You may not like the writing style, but pointing out a typo should be blamed on the editor and not the writer. Just like a programmer who misses a formatting issue isn't at fault, that is the analyst/testers job.
ol1bit - Saturday, October 11, 2014 - link
This is my first Mechanical Keyboard, and it rocks for most stuff! I have all my standard games keys mapped out in a different color's etc. The software blows for easy of use, and I'm a developer of 30+ years. With so much complexity, you'd think they'd have a compiler for writing custom apps.The only complaint I have about the hardware is it is dark till windows boots, which is really stupid for a lighted keyboard. So hitting the right keys for your password is tricky in the dark. I hope they have a fix for that soon!
LanderLawrence - Friday, November 14, 2014 - link
Ever used a Logitech G710+ keyboard? It has Cherry Mx Browns with some kinda of dampening. How does it compare to those rubber o-rings?LanderLawrence - Friday, November 14, 2014 - link
Why'd my reply get tacked onto te end? I could have sworn I replied @zyxtomatic 's comment.LanderLawrence - Friday, November 14, 2014 - link
@RoninX , I've got a Razer Black Widow Ultimate right here and have had it just over a year. Just to respond to your post I've just posted my experiences with it here [http://www.anandtech.com/comments/7911/razer-black...]. That's actually in the comments of the review of a newer version of the keyboard. Seemed more appropriate than here or in the capsule review of the actual model.From what I'm reading about the K70's & K95's, as long as you get a good one, they seem preferable to me.
Mostly my Razer experience has been good. See my comments in the other article for details. Basically t's worked exactly as advertised, no more, no less. All the blue LEDs are still burning, but every pain I could have anticipated from reading reviews and the docs is still there. Specifically those pains are:
(1) non-standard key layout
(2) they require you to run their software (and newer versions require an internet connection) even for functionality which is 100% contained in the keyboard - there's a Record Macro button and it doesn't work unless you've got Synapse installed.
LanderLawrence - Friday, November 14, 2014 - link
For the record, E, I quite enjoy your writing style. Most of what I read in reviews is more casual than I'd like and I find your style refreshing. :-)Leregon - Saturday, June 6, 2015 - link
Guys I am about to buy this keyboard (it costs 190 euros here). Is it a high quality keyboard? Will it last for years? Is it worth every euro? Should I buy the simple K70?