The apple way, selling over expensive crap to stupid consumers that like to get robbed.
This has been a disastrous launch in every respect. The iwatch is such an ugly piece of crap, it is truly unbelievable how a company, formerly known for its remarkable design, dares to put out such a crap ton of shit. Some characteristics are glaringly obvious and inherent to it: over expensive, hardly innovative, limited functionality and usability (need of an iPhone to make it work), looks exactly like a toy watch and so on.
There are of course way better smart watches out there, especially from the likes of Samsung, Sony, Motorola, Asus, LG, simply put, there is no need for another piece of over expensive junk.
The iPhone 6 is technologically stuck in pre-2011 times, a base model with a capacity of 16GB without the possibility to use SD cards isn't even funny anymore. The screen resolution is horrendous, it isn't water proof, shock and dust resistant, it offers nothing innovative, just some incremental updates over its predecessor, both lacking severely behind their competitors at their respective launch dates.
Now the Iphone 6 Plus offers a „Retina HD“ screen, full 1920x1080p, oh wow, where have you been for the past 4 years apple, talk about trailing behind. That’s pathetic. The interesting thing about that is the fact that apple always manages to sell backwards oriented, outdated crap to its user base, all while pretending to be an innovative technology leader. The similarities regarding any form of sectarian cult are striking.
You gotta love how Apple always comes up with new marketing bullshit terms, aka "Retina HD", with the intention to manipulate its users while preventing easy comparisons with its competitors by withholding the actual specs. Apparently it’s not enough to have a 1080p screen, you have to call it "Retina HD" to make those suckers buy it, otherwise someone could look at the 4K Amoled and Oled screens form LG and Samsung devices and get outright disappointed. Same goes for everything else. Every outdated „feature“ needs to get its own marketing label to persuade buyers with crappy „experience“ and „usability“ ads, while covering the truth with marketing gibberish, knowing full well that only a fraction of aforementioned buyers cares to look at the facts and dares to compare them.
Car engines come to mind. For comparisons shake let’s look at a 1.0 liter, turbo charged petrol engine and a V8 compressor. What’s better should be obvious, but by calling the former an „ecobooster“, thus giving it a special marketing label, this joke becomes a „feature“, something positive that can be added tot the list of features of a car.
By doing so a negative aspect is transformed into a positive one, the reality is distorted, non tech savvy buyers are manipulated and comparisons are made more difficult (another layer of marketing bullshit to overcome), well done marketing department. You see , if something is seriously lacking (of course for profit, what else), don’t bother explaining, just give it a nice marketing term, distort reality, make it a feature and call it a day. Fuck that!!
FACT: Apple has been forced to copy Android in style and size for years because people abandoned their tired, moribund and fossilized devices for superior and innovative Android devices.
Steve Jobs said no one should want a 7" tablet until everyone went and bought Android devices forcing Apple to copycat with the iPad Mini. Apple didn't think anyone wanted a phone screen larger than a business card until they all bought Androids thus forcing the arrival this week of the iPhone Galaxy and iPhone Galaxy Note clone phones.
Swipe down notifications that don't interfere? Copied from Android and WebOS. Siri? Bought and ruined from a private developer; Google Now crushes it. 3rd-party keyboards? Welcome to 2010, iChumps! Widgets? Welcome to 2009 except you can't place them on your home screen. Live wallpapers and hidden icons? Maybe Apple will get around to copying those in iOS X in 2016. Who knows.
Apple lacks creativity and honest people acknowledge it. Steve Jobs gets credited as an innovator when all he was, was a huckster who'd spot someone else's tech, polish it up nicely, then slap a gnawed fruit logo on the back, charge a premium price and wait for the rubes like Jim Smith to hand over their cash like the good iSheep they are.
But after that initial iteration, Apple is incapable of actually innovating something new. They literally cannot make a product until someone else shows them how and they copy it. They are also unable refine things because they believe to improve is to admit something was imperfect the first time. (This is why QuickTime 4 had a legendarily terrible UI that was never changed through QT7 a decade later.) All they can do is make things incrementally thinner or faster but it's just minor refinements since they can't invest their way out of a wet paper bag.
For all their squealing about Retina displays, they never even had a HD display until now; 8th time is the charm, though you need the iPhone Galaxy Note to get the 1080p that many Android users have had for at least a year and is now considered bare-minimum spec. At the rate Apple drags along, QHD screens should arrive in 2018. Maybe. A graphic went around after the reveal comparing the iPhone Galaxy to the Nexus 4 from 2012. Exactly.
The Apple Iphone 1 and Ipad 1 might have been innovative at their time, but since then, the bitten apple has been continuously rotting from the inside outwards, always swarmed by millions of Iworms which regale themselves with its rotten flesh, not forgetting all other Americans who support apple by means of their tax dollars to finance its bought US Treasury/Government bond interest rates.
Last but not least, every Apple product includes a direct hotlink to the NSA, free of charge, something that might make it a good value, after all.
Apple is lagging far behind it's competitors both in user satisfaction (source: http://www.consumertop.com/best-phone-guide/) and innovation. I mean, who was first with large screens and phone cameras that work well in low light? It sure wasn't Apple.
To be fair, a >$600 phone deserves a good LCD.....at least good as competitors, more ram and a little SD expansion slot. Plain and simple. This is not a matter of "idiocy"
Too many people define "good LCD" as having high resolution. In the real world, that just isn't true. There are so many terrible 1920x1080 panels on the market, and I'm not just talking mobile devices.
Look at desktop LCD's. To get one properly calibrated you need to spend $500+ for a 24" HP Dreamcolor or NEC Multisync PA Spectraview. Some Dell's with Samsung LCD's are pretty good out of the box but almost nothing is 100% RGB until expensive calibration.
So back to Apple. They're all about balance. They don't push the envelope in any direction like Samsung (and others.) What bothers me lately about Apple is they are "too" safe with their design language and technology that their products are actually becoming boring. As the company that pioneered mainstream unibody mobile devices and multitouch\gesture driven interfaces, it's interesting the competition has essentially been perfecting it for them to just copy back.
At least Apple isn't suing everybody anymore...seems like Steve's thermonuclear crusade is finally dying along with him.
I do have a problem with people constantly trying to push AMOLED as the ultimate display tech due it being featured on DisplayMate with the Galaxy S5. People forget that you lose the efficiency of OLED once you start using something that displays a lot of white like web browsing. Also, turning down the brightness still has the tendency to give it a "soggy" look to it, though it is much less on the Galaxy S5.
The burn in effect can be easily avoided unless the clock/ dock locks up for whatever reason and leaves the display static.
The burn in can be easily prevented also. Download an utterly simple burn in tool app, and leave it working for couple of hours, every few weeks or so.
This is exactly the kind of thing that people DO NOT WANT TO DO. It's a phone, it must just work, I shouldn't worry about any specific technical part of the phone, let alone do maintenance work on it to keep it functional.
In my experience AMOLED displays look a lot better than their LCD counterparts with the brightness turned down. They also give you the option of having even lower screen brightness which is ideal if you want to use it in bed at night (night mode on android looks great on the S4, but not so much on my Nexus 5).
IPhone white balance not accurate, how you proven your point said iPhone had good display? At least I saw on mine eye compare between mine z3 with the so call iPhone... Besides, you calculate by yourself, iPhone 6 latest phone less 1x pixels to push compare to android FHD screen. Benchmark alway unfair in mine point of view...
The 'little SD expansion slot' that reads and writes at about 6-8Mb/second vs, the onboard NAND speed tested within the review should be enough to tell you why samsung and ....hmmm ....are offering the micro SD slot. Android is moving 'away' from accessibility to and from the 'off board' storage. I've got a Note 3 and with each update I've been able to do less and less Apparently you didn't bother to read the review ...at all. You also mention 'good LCD ...at least as good as the competitors.' Then you quite DisplayMate. The S5. And the single point difference between it and it's LCD runner up. From Apple. If you'd have bothered to have read this review ...or the S5 review on Anand's site when it dropped you'd know A) how impressed the author was with the evolution of AMOLED, it's continued refinement and accuracy, brightness and viewing angles. B) you'd notice in EVERY possible measurement. Each one in the review are 'objective measurements'. It (6) tops the display's characteristics in each area someone that knows what a 'great display' entails. At 400+ PPI, you nor any of your freneds will distinguish the difference between it and the new Note 4 or any other 2540 display. It's silly, it's a waste of energy and its detrimental to fluency of the UI (with today's SoC GPU and that many pixels) and the ever important 'battery life' To be fair, NO OTHER vendor offers 128GB, & 64 is extremely rare. I waited six weeks for a Note 3 w/64GB to show up at AT&T. Never happened and I settled for 32. At the same price as the 64GB iPhone 6. And from what I've read the 2014 model will have the same. 32GB with a caveat. Buy a micro SD card. Hope Google allows support in the future and keep your fingers crossed. 1080p on my Note chews up space. 4K is quadruple. And it will NOT shoot to the fastest SD or microSD card on the market. As an ambidextrous owner and user since their inception, I enjoy both Android and iOS. But silly comments like yours shows your ignorance. It was IN THE review! The actual (& damn near identical testing method used by DisplayMate's team will use) 'proof' it's 'LCD ....(IS) @ least as good as its competitors.
He isn't wrong about anything he said, but I just can't imagine getting worked up enough to say it. As a current Apple user/developer, I have every Apple product. I like their stuff, but I can't say I am obsessed about it. I also have a lot of the competing products, so I am constantly toying with all of them. When my current iPhone breaks, I will probably replace it with a Sony Xperia Z3 compact, because it looks like a perfect phone for me. I am not interested in a bigger phone and I would like something that is waterproof, because I run or ride a rain, sleet or shine. I personally think Apple is falling behind in the world of business and multi-use devices. I am seeing a lot of customers whom I developed business apps for iOS coming back and wanting to move to Microsoft or Android platforms because the devices are more powerful and offer more robust features.
I agree. He makes some good points, though most of them are seriously overstated. For most users (yes, nearly everyone in my experience) a "pretty dang good" display is about as good as we can be bothered to look for. I actually like the display on my iPhone 4s. I've never had a complaint, except that it is small, so I got an iPad.
See, I don't actually like it that Apple went for big phones. I carry my phone in my pants pocket. The 6 might be about the limit of the size phone I want. If I could get an updated 4s with the processor and other basic features of the 6, that's what I'd buy.
So, for most consumers, we want something that works. I had 4 Android phones before Verizon got the iPhone. I liked them pretty well, but they kept breaking. I went to Apple for dependability, and have not been disappointed. I've only had a couple of problems (even with my jailbreaks), and they've always been easy to fix.
I do like it when Apple leads the way, but it would be silly to expect them to have all of the advances. So many people compare the iPhones to Android phones, listing all of the things that came out first or "better" on Android phones. They seem to forget that there are dozens of companies making Android phones. The best of them have only one or tow innovations at a time - about the same as Apple manages. Apple continues to be one of the leaders, as long as you compare them to one company at a time.
If you want the universe of advances coming from Android manufacturers, then go buy an Android. We really won't hold it against you. For me, I like my iPhone and iPad. My wife has Android (at my recommendation) because we could get some features that were important to her.
Lol, he is wrong about his engine analogy! Seriously, none of that makes any sense. Haha, and what's a "V8 compressor"? My goodness...people shouldn't talk about things they really don't know. Just reading that was cringe worthy.
I'm going to guess you are not so dense as to be picking at the spelling but instead don't know what is a v8 Kompressor. Not only one of the best engines that Mercedes made, but also award winning by 3rd parties.
Actually, he is either wrong or extremely misguided in almost everything he's said. Feel free to pick your argument of choice. He starts off by saying how the iPhone 6 launch was disastrous. As compared to what? What other vendor will sell 10 million devices on a launch weekend? Even for Apple, it broke their own previous records. I'm genuinely grateful for people that prove they're an idiot right up front. It lets me know I can either skip the rest of the post or read on for purely amusement purposes. That's just the conceptual part of the post. His technical observations were equally misguided. Especially with regard to screen quality, etc. Clearly he didn't bother reading the Anandtech review he's commenting on.
@techconc: Sure, what other products you know starts to bend, or totally crap out after the first buggy update, or even have features withdrawn due to more bugs all within the first week of release?
Really? You're still convinced the iPhone (6 OR 6+) actually and easily 'bends' in the first week? Buggy update? The one available for about two hours that few downloaded and within ten hours of pulling it a fixed update was released? Features withdrawn? I'm intrigued ..as an owner and realist like techconc, the person you responded to... I've GOT to know! I'm patiently awaiting my pair of 6+s for my wife and I. We just returned from the mall and the Apple Store specifically playing for almost two hours with them. I built a two minute movie and. Rendered in 1080p in about 35/40 seconds, air dropped to myself. Un. Believable phone. It's. Amazing We ordered launch day through our business representative. Lol. Silly me. Ship date estimate is pretty specific, actually a bit ambiguous with the latest update. 11/2-11/28/14:-) Oh well. Plenty of time to allow developers to continue updating their apps. Between my Air, rMBP 15" and the iPhone 5s /6+, my business of 27 years has been revolutionized. Literally, over the past half decade, as a pilot and sound/video producer...weight savings alone are enough to double our profits. And ½ our setup snd break down times. Even my 'flight bag' of nearly fifty pounds isn't necessary. With three retina minis in the cockpit for redundancy, the 'paper' is still there, but unnecessary any more for updates to plates and Jep charts, winds aloft and weather/traffic ...even diversion airports, filing my flight plan and telling me how thirsty she is! Fuel calculated, with a GPS dongle a tenth the price and 100 fold quicker to lock n track than avionics just a half decade ago provide incredible accuracy. ADSB and TCAS (3D terrain, weather and other traffic/with their specific info; altitude, speed, heading, and Xspnder --- TCAS, a warning system that 'tells you what to do' in conjunction with other planes fitted with the system including all commercial traffic and many GA pilots with ILS certifications ...Alaska can get nasty quick and having to 'duck down' these two systems alone are incredible and 'reasonably priced' advancements!). I'm not sure there's a place in my life iOS has t changed. As a father, business owner and operator, little league and wrestling coach, and pilot...each iteration has improved signficantly enough in 'most situations' to justify yearly updates for me. iPhones hold their value. Until the 4s, AT&T was generous and 'allowed' a 12 month subsidized update. With the business I also provide 17 full time employee iPhones so we've been lucky enough to 'recoup' some of the money spent each update I just sold an employee's iPhone 5, 32GB AT&T with a cracked screen, scratched to hell and working perfectly. With excellent battery health and perfect camera lens (only scratch-less area of the phone!) for $235 to a local repair guy. He saw me in the mall with the Gazelle box (more than a hundred bucks less) on my way to the USPS. Asked what I was sending. Told him. Showed him a 'picture' or seven before I unboxed it, but he was adamant ...he was able to shine it up with his pieces n parts for $45 or less! Told me it would cost a customer about $210 to do the work but parts were 20% the cost ...labor and time is the price. From there he was confident he could sell it for $325-350 at his kiosk within 24 hours. My son has had his fifth generation iPod touch for two years. He's nine. No scratches. No scuffs. Clean a booger or twelve off once a week but other than that, it's completely 'perfect'. These iPhones are built damn near the same. Sleek, thin and well balanced ...no bugs, incredibly quick and unless you're a dumbass and put your $800 pocket computer in your rear pocket of your jeans and SIT on it, you're an idiot ...and you've got to be SIGNIFICANTLY overweight AND hit the precise angle in order to 'mash' 100 pounds of pressure to a 'single point'/torque. Can you bend em? Yep. It's been proven and EVERY piece of proof we've seen visually demonstrates the incredible amount of force necessary and in such a way not indicative of daily use or situations a consumer would find themselves in 99.9% of the time. Don't. Be. Silly. I respond not only to you but to all those talking like you. Until you've used one. Felt one. Actually spent time with it, it's difficult to understand. These are absolute and unequivably the BEST two phones on the maket at this time. With the best and most abundant apps/software optimized to its specs. Support to back it up. And resale value when Ya get bored and ready for a new one. You'll recover your 'down payment' plus fifty percent in many cases ...if you take care of it. Seemingly, they're even more valuable than a same year flagship Samsung Note 2, as I wasn't able to get more than $125 for that joke. Note 3 got it right. But it took twice the cores, clocked at twice the speed with three times the memory ( ⅔ to ¾ of which is in use even without an app running! I've got one though and don't take me wrong, I love it) to get 'close' to the GUI fluency of the iPhone & iOS That's. SAD. That's. Buggy. I'd much rather have a phone that bends with a hundred pounds of torque in a certain and specific area than I would gambling I'll get an update, deal with carriers and OEM bloat and shitty aesthetics and design. Lack of support or resale, lack of apps and software ...& the apps and software in parity are incredibly more enjoyable and stable on iOS. I like my Note for browsing and the SPen. I think an active digitizer would put the six plus over the top but as it is, it's perfect. Indeed, I'll continue using (& owning) my N3. But I'm not the least bit compelled with the '4' and its 2540 display. While I'm sure there's noticeable and 'obvious' benefits to having 550/600+ PPI ...I'll warn ya when you're 38-42, speaking from experience...you'll need 'cheaters';) ...like our ears, our eyes deteriorate as well ...the elasticity of our lens and ability to change and 'maintain' up close focus just ...goes away! Hence the incredible benefits I've found witg the HiDPI display technology. 3D? Good riddance! It was a joy to see 4k/Ultra HD and even examples of 5/6 & 8K motion display AND capture gear instead of dumbass glasses and crappy off center viewing with limited content.
Apple lead the way and destroyed multi billion dollar monsters in the industry with the iPhone. They then changed consumer display technology's availability. HiDPI and increased resolution is awesome. But to a certain point. Your 1080p 65" LED LCD IPS or AMOLED TV in the living room at 10-12 feet or typical viewing distances is around 100ppi. Quadrupling the resolution (4k) while not exactly linear, will amount to approximately an increase of 100%. To 200ppi. Not four foukd as you may think. The 'new' ipad(3)/4 -- iPhone 4 -- the rMBPs --- ALL Game Changing home runs. Putting a certain 'joy' back into 'work' again. With SUCH an accurate palate and the ability of OS X'es scaling of the UI (& third party apps the same ...utilizing pixel for pixel when necessary or quadrupling for the GUI simultaneously and without 'glitches' or latency is a marvel in engineering. Coupled with the IrisPro 5200/750m and PCIe SSD at a TB with read and write speeds exceeding a Gb/s, Thunderbolt 2 and its 'one' cable capabilities and abilities to run multiple 4K displays ...shoot man. Seems like yesterday I was hunting the wax pencils and cutting my fingers slicing tape ...now it's immediate and fast as hell in a four pound package at a dozen times the resolution.
Times are good if you're an Apple user. And thats JUST the hardware!
OS X and iOS's march to marriage is incredible. Continuity and Handoff. Air drop between iOS and OS X, as well ...the aggregation and integration between the devices you're using is revolutionary. Period. Only Windows has the power and support vertically and horizontally to compete with what Apple's doing. Vertical & Horizontal backbones.
No one that needs to 'work' is buying a Chromebook
@shm224 - I now know several people with iPhone 6 and 6+ devices that keep them in their pockets. They all seem to agree that there is no merit to this "bend gate" nonsense. While nobody doubts that these phones can bend under a certain amount of pressure (90 lbs. according to Consumer Reports), from a practical matter, it's a non-issue. Further, I find it rather interesting that phones such as the HTC One which bend under significantly less pressure (70 lbs.) don't receive the same sort of media attention. As for the 8.0.1 update, yup, Apple screwed that up. Fortunately, for Apple, the update was pulled after about an hour. It's also fortunate that in only affected some phones and only for the over the air update as opposed to the iTunes update. To your point, no, this typically isn't an issue for other phones... then again, neither are regular updates.
Yeah it's OK since there is nothing wrong with plastic. It absorbs shock, is light and do not block wireless signal. Perfect material for a phone. It is also durable enough. How many people replace their phone because the plastic is cracked? Not much. People replace their phone either because the screen is broken, it was damaged by liquid or simply because it is too slow/old.
Apple has been selling phones which are cheaper to produce for years at the same price (or higher) than the competition. Smaller phones tend to be cheaper, because the display is cheaper, the battery is cheaper, and the rest cost the same. So even by using plastic, Samsung phones cost more to produce so I fail to see how they can be labeled as "cheap".
Designing custom SoCs is an investment. It isn't supposed to raise the cost of the phone. Samsung also design some of its own SoCs and even manufacture them.
The OS is debatable. But from a hardware perspective Samsung phones (at least the high end ones) are definitely not cheap, even if they use plastic.
Ugh.. meant to say R&D "shouldn't". To state it plainly, R&D may be an investment, but it's still an expense. The cost needs to be recouped, and they make money by selling phones, so . . . you do the math.
Of course they have to make money. But spending more in software development, R&D or marketing doesn't make their phone any less "cheap". I was replying to someone saying that Samsung phones were "cheap" because they were in plastic. The fact is that Samsung phones tend to be more expensive than iPhones to make, because the cost of the components is higher, despite any savings made by using a plastic shell.
Only BECAUSE it takes my Note3 twice the cores, at twice the clock speed with three times the amount RAM to FINALLY close the gap on performance. Almost. My 5s is still quicker playing Asphalt8, manipulating photos, even rendering VIDEO! Most likely the latter because of the extreme lack of interet in the development community (other than game ports) to 'build out' apps and software. And that sucks! I love my Note 3--- coming from the original its a massive upgrade. That said, Samsung is using stock, off the shelf SoCs ....indeed 'produced' by them as they've got the capabilities to cook bake and roll out silicon BUT they've chosen to increase horsepower, drop the gearing ratios and add a stage III nirrous kit 'built' and low level programmed with basic ARM instructions and a radical slather of Peanut Butter JavaScript to wade through just for TouchWiz. By the time you open an app, you're at 85-90% RAM usage. I've got a N3. I like it and I'm not getting rid of it. It serves it's purpose for our business perfectly. But AS a business owner and one that relies on creative talent to make it 'work' I find your comment very VERY ill informed and 'ignorant' ...no to be a dick. But yes, R&D is definitely a percentage figured into the equation with BOM. As well, the software development, A8 & the second generation 64bit processor with a faster GPU, more efficient memory managment with the SoC 4mb buffer and iOS 8 itself are expenses. Paid to a LOT of talent! For crying out loud, they developed a new CODE! And a spectacular one at that! Free lessons are everywhere and if you're experienced, have a macbook laying around, download the latest XCode and you'll have Swift down in a weekend. Not to mentioned the low level 'Metal' instruction set to eliminate the OpGL ES overhead ...allowing developers 'direct' (hence, 'Metal') access to the GPU ...if you're at all curious on how incredible this development most consumers will NEVER know about ...check out Unreal 4's site, the UR4 engine and what they've done with Metal. You can download their patio presentation frim WWDC in the app store. It's absolutley amazing. Samsung's phones are spendy because they're licensing Wacom, using active digitizers few are able use (until this evolution, three's a charm I guess), massive batteries, a horrid looking bezel that's rigid for sure, but then again, this is the first I've seen people, on purposes bending phones, and that's not a real life issue or even concern. I shared earlier, somehow my nine year old son has managed to keep his iPod touch fifth gen in perfect non bent and scratch free condition. Two years. Lotsa boogers and bumps but no dents, no dings, scratches or 'display marks' without screen protection. Guesses can be made in physical pieces. Even how long (labor pricing) to produce a single unit. But development of actual silicon, low level optimization to your non fragmented operating system, 64bit technology 24 months ahead of the industry and obvious benefits from the 20nm A8. iOS 8 (and its counterpart more than ever, OS X 10.10) and its ability to aggregate our information across devices, handoff calls, emails, texts or whatever the hell you're doing on your iPad ....get distracted, fall out and when you turn your iMac or MBP on, there's the email you were working on. Ready for you to finish. The web page you were reading or the movie your were watching ...vice versa too. Start on your computer a doc, and open your iPhone, there'll be a small 'doc' icon signifying you're working on something and you're able to finish it here! Forget the phone downstairs, your in bed reading before sleep, phone rings...no worries. Answer it on your iPad. AirDrop between laptop, tablet and phone, MacPro and ipad....iPhone to your iMac, slick n quick.
Of course, then there's the whole 'build quality' argument. Where designers, reviewers, and the public ALL Seem to agree. The iPhone SNOKES Samsung's BQ. Period. They're like jewelry, true and real 'art'. Each phone has been an engineering marvel. Samsung? Are you kidding me? Other than their goofy, curvy, earthy S3 baby blue tangent, their 'rectangle' phone lacks ANY design fundamentals much less achievements. When you sell as MANY pieces as Apple does, costs come down. For the 'pieces'. But the machining process (2 year cycle) is entirely changed. Fusion welding and sapphire 'plants', robotics and laser/chamfered edging with incredible attention to detail are just a couple of the hundreds of THOUSANDS of re-tooling the facilities for the latest 'build'. And after a couple of hours today with the 6 & 6+ as we anxiously await ours, with an open mind (& as an ambidextrous user of Android and iOS Windows and OS X) --- NOTHING on the Internet does justice to the phone itself. It's. Absolutely. AMAZING!
Not true, you innovate to stay in the game, not to increase your price point. Part of the "innovation" of the android flagships has been their ability to increase technology, form, and function while reducing or maintaining costs. Both the M8 and the S5 were selling for $99 on contract within a month of launch (by Verizon). Apple might have sold a lot of phones in this launch, but that was mostly due to the fact that there hasn't been an "innovation" in several years, and very little reason to buy an Apple product for at least 2 generations. Just keep watching to see how sales hold up after the initial storm is passed. In a few months when you can buy an S5 or M8 for $99 on contract, or an iPhone for $299, which do you think will sell better? And in 6 months, both companies will have the next gen of flagship out, with superior specs across the board and will launch at the same price as Apple, because the iphone 6 will STILL be $299.
@danbob999 - Samsung's SoC designs are basically equivalent to Apple's early A4 and A5 work. They essentially just use off the shelf reference designs and put them together to meet their own specifications. Yes, there is some work involved with doing that, but to date, this hasn't been a competitive advantage for Samsung like it has for Apple. In fact, Samsung ends up using Qualcomm chips for a very large percentage for their devices. Likewise, putting them in the same league as what Apple, Qualcomm or even nVidia is doing isn't quite right. They're not in the same league design wise. Samsung attempts to add layers of customization (Touchwiz, etc.) on top of Android, but it just feels like a clumsy layer on top and ends up dropping performance and resources for the device overall. Such customizations are no substitute for writing your own OS and controlling the entire technology stack. That's why a Samsung phone will always feel clumsy as compared to an iPhone. Samsung would have to to the Tizen route to attempt to compete on that level.
Now this is amusing. The OS hasn't changed since it launch except for, wait for it: pull down notifications! Amazing. But seriously its the same floating blobs that sit in rows on a screen. Designed for teenagers and grandparents in mind.
@Chaser - Thanks for sharing your ...wait for it... ignorance on OS design and what's actually changed over the years. It should suffice to say that you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
@shm224 - LOL! Not interested in doing a commercial for Apple and the listing surely wouldn't fit in a forum post. Google is your friend... If you're really interested, you can start with something like the Wikipedia entry for iOS and of course consult the release notes for each iOS release on Apple's developer site.
Who uses their smartphone to sit and look at the UI? Or. Thats right. You. Can't find any apps that'll work? I'm on my springboard for a second or three. Like you said, pull down, enter the first letter or two of the software/app I'm going to use and click, it's open! No more just looking at the 'floating (?) blobs that sit in rows (like Android)non a screen. Designed for teenagers, grandmas, commercial and military pilots. Military operations you're clueless about and 95% of the Fortune 500 companies have deployed iOS. And unfortunately for you, if you're NOT an iOS user, I completely 'get it'. I've got both an iPhone 5s and Note 3. Love em both but the Note is a tool for a very specific job I so that uses the SPen to do some amazing stuff that wouldn't be as 'cool' as on graph paper. Other than that, I don't care the app you name, Id it's in parity with iOS, I GUARANTEED iOS runs circles around the Android port. As well the optomized tablet apps are overwhelmingly in favor of iOS, and the biggest challenge with the the Note in different apps I've noticed. They're apps designed for 4.3-4.7" displays and the developers aren't tsking the time to 're-do' their tab apps. They're just blown up leaving a load of white space, sparse UI and pretty lame performance as they're not yet 'coding' to take advantage of multiple core computing. Nearly EVERY app in either environment runs on a single core. Mind blowing though you've spent that much time looking at 'blobs' and haven't figured out that IF you TOUCH the 'blob' something really REALLY Cool might just happen! Go ahead. You won't break it J
Smaller phones tend to be cheaper? The rest cost the same? No, a single part like the display could be cheaper, but there are very real costs to miniaturization.
Samsung phones not only look cheap because of the plastic, they feel cheap in hand as well. It's not the material--It's what Samsung does with it. Nokia for instance makes some plastic phones that look good and feel great. Samsung comes out with phones that look like band-aids and have fake leather stitching molded into them.
There you go. Samsung phones are not cheap. You *think* they *feel* cheap. That's your opinion and not based on any fact. Whether a phone is cheap has nothing to do with look or feel.
And yes, smaller phones ARE cheaper. The iPhone 6 Plus is more expensive to make. The A8 SoC and all other chips are not smaller in the iPhone 6 so there is no additional miniaturization. Only the display and the battery are smaller, and both are cheaper. iFixit teardowns have shown for years that Galaxy S-series are most expensive to make than iPhones.
Doesn't that mean Apple did a good thing? To make a product like the iPhone for less than it costs Samsung to make their Galaxy devices sounds like a big win to me.
Of course it is a win for Apple and their shareholders. Not for their customers. Of course it is cheaper to put half the RAM, a small display and a small battery.
I am not saying the iPhone is a bad device. But don't call cheap a phone with more expensive components juste because the shell is in plastic. That's all I am saying.
@mrochester Is this a tech site or a teenager fashion magazine? Why would anyone care about how cheap it feels in the hand as long as it is a good device? A metal enclosure with no electronics in it may not feel cheap in the hand but it would be useless. What matters is inside.
Not true, even in the slightest. The thermal envelope on a material with superior heat-dissipating properties, like 6003 aluminum, versus that of a polycarbonate device, with a poor thermal envelope, is important.
Having superior heat-dissipating properties means your components can operate at capacity longer, and they also last longer. All you need to do is look at throttling on the S5, compared to the HTC One M8, and you can see a huge difference in extended performance.
Because whether it feels cheap in the hand is part of whether it's a good device or not? Apple has proved you can make a top class smartphone and make it feel nice in the hand, so why should Samsung be given the green light for producing the stuff it does?
@danbob999 Are you some kind of hippie or do you just hate the superior product. If Apple started charging less it would dilute the brand, but that is something you know nothing about. Secondly it's enough that they have had to give in to market pressure and come out with the enormous iPhone 6 Plus but they now have to eat their margins in order to please plastic lovers like you?
Other than throttling performance. Plastic insulates. Metal, aluminum...dissipates. That's why (again, if you read the article) if you read the article the A8's performance delta doesn't fall at all, it keeps chugging at max while the plastics govern the temperature by throttling their load. Sucks wh playing s game, analyzing a spread sheet or manipulating photos/motion or audio
To paraphrase your comment: "What Apple has been doing isn't working as well any more so they are changing their product design to better match what they think customers want." In other words, they're making smart business decisions.
Charging less would dilute the brand? If you mean "Apple would no longer be a boutique product" then I agree with you. It would also increase their market share quite a bit. If iPhones cost $100 less Apple would have a LOT more customers. They don't really want that though. They want to be Boutique, Expensive and regarded as Fashionable.
Boutique, Expensive and Fashionable don't often beat their sales (& every other adoption of ANY Electronic in history) each release. 10mil on the first weekend doesn't prive your theory in the least. Rather I think folks will pay a bit more (not that there's a difference. EVERY flagship costs are identical unless you're buying stock Android GB/GB comparison at launch. Last year the Note 3/iPhone 5s 32GB models were $299@ launch) with EVERY release! Poppycock
It's not only about tabs you apple faggot. GPU shares some of that RAM, programs and OS updates will only get more advance requiring more resources. Display, CPU/ GPU and cellular modems use up most of the energy with RAM being quite low. Can it add up? Sure but not that large of a jump.
mods please clean this junk up. I don't want to see anandtech ruined by people like this. it's like the floodgates just opened and all the gremlins got in.
Your blind hatred for someone with an opposing opinion is something worth examining. Why would you use such offensive language? What does it accomplish other than to make you look like a defensive, homophobic jerk!
Harsh language. Necessary? I think you've shown your IQ level. You're ignorant dude. Thank your computer for anonymity. Peeps like you aren't welcome in today's society
Uh, the power cost of constantly digging into the NAND flash page files because of a lack of RAM is far more than an extra gig of RAM. In reality power consumption by adding more RAM is almost negligible, and in general RAM consumes only a tiny fraction of overall power to begin with.
"In reality power consumption by adding more RAM is almost negligible, and in general RAM consumes only a tiny fraction of overall power to begin with." Numbers? Proof?
The article http://arxiv.org/pdf/1401.4655.pdf states that running a variety of SPEC2K programs on a Galaxy S2, RAM power and CPU power are more or less equivalent --- for some programs CPU power usage is higher, for some RAM power usage is higher.
This doesn't COMPLETELY answer the question, partly because that's older technology, partly because a large part of the issue is not how much power RAM uses when active but rather how much it uses when idle. Nonetheless it's a real data point suggesting that RAM is not free in terms of power, which is more than you're providing.
It's also worth pointing out that before the OS will be "constantly digging into the NAND flash page files" (a) there is no paging file in iOS. There will be demand paging IN (most notably for instruction pages, probably also for at least some resource files that are marked read-only) and a small amount of paging OUT (as far as I can tell, the result of mmap'd filed) but there is no paging file. (b) remember that iOS (like Mavericks) provides compressed RAM which, at least for the Mavericks experience, provides the equivalent of about 50% more RAM across a wide variety of usage scenarios. On iOS there is almost certainly dedicated HW performing the compression/decompression, which means low power and which may mean the usage of more aggressive algorithms than are possible on x86, providing even better compression ratios. This compression mechanism will kick in before pages are discarded (even read-only pages) which will further reduce the need to reload from flash.
I agree that the tabs situation for Safari is not ideal. However in real life, it is not a problem I actually ever encounter on my iPhone 5 (in Safari or otherwise). It's much more of a problem for iPad, and THERE I think Apple will really be screwing over its customers if it sticks with 1GB. On iPhone, I think this remains a theoretical, not a real problem. We can all invent stories about how it limits the future use of iOS 11, but that's pure guessing; it simply is not a real problem today for most users.
iPhones haven't need more memory for several reasons. 1. Android apps run in a VM. 2. Android can actively multi-task. 3. Android cannot be as highly customized (pared down) because it has to support more hardware. 4. More, more more.
NEEDING the extra memory is a negative. HAVING it is not necessarily a negative. Battery life is what matters. I'll put my Android phone against any iPhone for battery life.
And seriously... "so lazy people don't have to close tabs". That like saying "I wish my OS was like DOS so I didn't have to close all these other Windows to do different things". It's not a good argument.
It's a win for Apple, and neither a win or a lose for customers. The iPhone is still the best smartphone on the market, even with 1GB of RAM, so what is pushing that to 2GB going to achieve other than simply cutting into Apple's profit margin? Us customers aren't going to get anything from it.
Or is it that in your mind, Apple has some sort of moral obligation to put as much hardware in their devices as possible so as to justify their profit margin, even if it has no effect on the end user experience of the device. You essentially just want to know that the hardware is there for the sake of it and that Apple hasn't made quite so much money from your purchase?
Apple has no moral obligations. To be taken seriously, we could say that users have a moral obligation not to say that Samsung devices are cheap when they are in fact more expensive to make than iPhones.
I'm thinking you've NEVER used an iOS device in your lifetime. What s ridiculous comment. I use both and I'm a happy 'customer'. Half the RAM? Try a third. My Note 3 has 3GB. Cold boot to a fresh screen, within thirty seconds she's using 2.1-2.3GB of RAM. And my Note is a business tool without a bunch of apps, side loads or 'leaks' in software. Funny thing, happy customers make for healthy sales. VERY HAPPY People break RECORDS with each subsequent release ...which, in turn, you're correct. Makes happy stock holders. Breaking records year after year isn't because they're using 'cheap' components or 'holding back'. It would've been MORE profitable to maintian the same pricing scheme without the 128GB (only industry OEM offering this much storage at these read and write speeds) & WITH 2GB of RAM. Significantly cheaper. But there's a solid reason and Apple's engineers are s bit more intelligent than you Mr. danBob. Sorry, the truth hurts but these dudes blew minds releasing the first 64bit SoC. First to utilize the A8 instruction set and they're designing low level graphic (Metal) programming to eliminate overhead of GL-ES. A 4MB buffer on the SoC and incredible optimization to its own OS. Keep in mind ..,the development community is signficantly more active on iOS and they're making 85-90% of the defelopment 'money!' iOS users 'buy' apps. Spend money and enjoy their experience. Small display? 4;7" has been deemed perfect by MANY! And 5.5" is RIGHT there with. The largest available. Battery? Did you read the review? It's the Best of the Best. Period.
Before commenting, a suggestion. READ the article, review or 'book' before looking 'silly' in public!
Simple BOM breakdowns are not actually indicative of "less/more expensive." Apple's economies of scale are the envy of the tech world, and buying in great quantities and using SKUs across multiple lines brings the prices down for components. However, this takes a tremendous amount of capital, money that is spent fa in advance of receiving your goods, and generally your returns have to be enough to offset the money all of that capital is not making invested in some money-making vehicle.
In mobile, basically two companies sell enough phones and tablets to do that, Apple and Samsung. Samsung sells more devices, but that is across many lines each year, with almost no common components. Thus, they aren't able to leverage economies of scale in the same manner as Apple, who makes two main lines each year (The newest iPhone and iPad), with secondary sales on the previous models, which still employ the internals introduced the previous year.
Actually Samsung shares a lot of components between different phones. And they do have economies of scale on the same level as Apple. This is not enough to explain why Apple phones are cheaper to make according to iFixit estimates.
Metal + glass = heavier, breaks more easily, blocks signals. I would have to say that I like the iOS more than anything I've seen from Android so far tho.
Protip chuckles: Samsung phones cost more to make than the iPhone. So what point are you trying to make? That you'd prefer a cheap feeling bendable phone?
And this is coming from someone with an iPhone 6+. It feels cheap. And it IS cheap.
Plastic is not necessarily crap. I work with all kinds of phones everyday at work, testing them. In our experience iPhones are much more prone to breaking when dropped than are plastic phones. Metal and glass doesn't bounce very well.
I think Apple needs to compete in the mid range and low end pricing segments, and they needed to a year or three ago.
The lightning connector is defective, these iPhone 6s bend, which is absurd, etc...
I'll defend the resolution though. It's perfectly fine. Android devices just compete on some specs that don't actually matter because there are so many companies directly combating each other.
I think the iWatches LOOK great too for that matter, and they come in 90 billion styles anyway. BUT of course you have to be seriously married to iOS for their to be a point of them...even then, I'm not sure.
Not sure about Google Wear either. I'd really prefer something that can work on it's own. As always, Microsoft was YEARS (a decade?) ahead on this with their spot watches, but everyone acts like Apple invented it LOL.
I know lots of people with iOS devices and never heard any complaints about the lightning connector. That thing was an incredible improvement over the old 30 pin connector and is head and shoulders above micro USB as well.
Yeah, I love the lighting connector. Micro USB is just horrible in comparison, I can't believe its not even reversible. Come on manufacturers, it's 2014, not 2011!
Me too. I wish the cables were cheaper, but that's about it. Don't see how anyone could call it 'defective'. I've never had a cable or port break. I'm sure it happens, but I've never heard of it happening.
That's my only issue with the Lightning cable is the price. Though I can find some good ones for a decent price from a reputable manufacturer and is sold in big brick&mortar stores like Best Buy.
After using it for the iPod Nano 7th gen I can't go back to the old iPod cables.
Can't agree with you there. My wife has been through countless lightning cables. Apple branded cables either come apart at the seam between the connector and cable or just stop working after 6 months to a year with heavy use, even if there is no visible external damage. Just look at the reviews of Apple's lightning cable on their website and you'll see how terrible they are: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD818ZM/A/lightn... (80% are 1 star out of 5). Apple covers one replacement, but after that you're on your own. Third party lightning cables, no matter how reputable the brand, always either stop working after a while or the iPhone will suddenly start saying the third party accessory is not compatible.
I think the chip Apple requires in lightning cables is the culprit for most of these headaches. I think they die quickly, far before the lifetime of the cable itself, which is why cables will suddenly stop working for no apparent reason or start being labeled as not compatible.
Whatever the cause, I have NEVER had a micro USB die on me. Micro USB cables are also much cheaper than lightning cables. Finally, all of my other electronics use micro USB (Chromecast, Android phones, Kindles, cameras, etc.) which is awesome! I can have a single cable in my car that charges all of my gadgets (except my wife's stupid iPhone of course). For those three reasons, micro USB is far superior to lightning. Being able to insert the stupid cable either way doesn't come close to outweighing the benefits of micro USB I just listed.
And to respond to that, I've never had any Apple cables, whether it be the old dock connector or lighting cables and ports, break. Contrary to that, my sister's USB port in her Galaxy S3 broke, her Samsung charger ended up with bent pins and my partner's Samsung Galaxy S2 charger ended up fraying at the micro USB end.
Of course, being able to insert the cable in any orientation and it being more reliable makes the benefits of the lighting connector far outweigh micro USB.
Well, since reliability could go either way depending on your luck, we have...
1) Being able to insert the cable in any orientation
vs.
1) Much lower price 2) A standard that is compatible with many more devices (Cameras, e-readers, Android phones and tablets, Windows phones and tablets, hard drives, portable speakers, etc., etc., etc.)
I would take the bottom two benefits any day over the top single benefit. Imagine if every company was as stubborn as Apple and designed their own cable. I would have to have 20 different types of cables lying around my house and it would be a HUGE pain trying to find the correct cable for the device. Instead, I can have one or two micro USB cables that can work with pretty much anything in my house, excluding iOS devices of course. That principle alone is enough to make me dislike Apple's lightning cable. Standards are a good thing. Proprietary sucks. Thank God other companies haven't followed Apple's footsteps in that regard yet. If they ever do, we're all screwed.
And I'd take the top one over the two things you listed. Having loads of micro-USB cables that are used by absolutely no devices in my house (my Canon camera is mini USB) isn't a whole lot of use. There's no need to have 20 different cables lying around your house, just 2. Your lightning cables for your iPad and iPhone, and a micro-USB cable for everything else that's stuck in 2012.
I agree. The reversability is nice, but not much of a feature to me. Every other cable I use, except circular power connectors, requires a specific orientation. It never takes more than two tries to find the right one.
@grayson_carr - Your argument falls apart in multiple places. For starters, you assume reversibility is the only advantage of the lightning cable. It's not. The lightning cable allows for 12W charging while USB is limited to just 9W. Further, you mention the ubiquity of the USB cable as if there is just one type of USB cable. I seem to have a variety of USB types of cables including micro, mini, Type A and Type B (not to mention other proprietary variants) around the house. Please explain to me how this "standard" is working any better for me or the public in general?
By the way, if you're in the same boat as me, I have a tip... buy your lightning cables at RadioShack. You can buy insurance on them and it will then only cost $2 to get a replacement when they inevitably stop working.
Inevitably stop working? If you really have that many cable failures maybe it's the Radio Shack cables that are the problem? I've never heard of one of them failing. Maybe try Monoprice. They have a line with metal housing on the connectors and they're cheaper than the Apple ones.
I've never had a cable failure with any Apple cable, except those I abused (and even most of those are going strong 2-3 years later). If your wife's cables are failing predictably, it has something to do with how it's being used. That's not to say she's mis-using it - it may simply be that her use involves additional strain. Perhaps she uses a car mount or other device that kinks the cable at the end?
in my experience, both micro usb and lightning crap out after some use. The only difference is that it cost on average 4-5 times as much to replace a Apple cable.
Actually, I've never had a problem with the 30-pin connector (I believe they replaced it mostly for size reasons), nor with microUSB. I'm somewhat unconvinced there's a strong argument for Apple not to use microUSB. There may be one, but I've not heard it.
How is the lightning connector defective? Personally I love it. It has no pins to break like a USB connector, does not have to be inserted in one specific direction, and works quite well overall.
I don't think Apple are interested in the low end. Apple's strategy is to make fewer devices, but more profit from each one. It seems to be the best strategy.
I own an iPad and my wife uses an iPhone. I hate lightning connectors. They're expensive, they die or stop being recognized far too frequently, and I can't use them with any of my other electronics so they add more cable clutter to my house and cars. So your statement is false. There are people who own Apple devices and still hate lightning connectors. Also, check out the lightning cable reviews at Apple's website (1300 1 star reviews vs 130 5 star reviews... hmm)... http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD818ZM/A/lightn...
How are people killing these lightning cables? I've never had one die, the first one i got from my iPhone 5 is probably still working (can't tell them apart really, but they're all still working).
you are the exception, not the norm. the 1.5 star, out of 5, on Apple review clearly demonstrates that @grayson_carr isn't the only one with unhappy with Apple's charge cables.
It sounds like you're being incredibly careless with your cables. Personally I think people who don't look after their things deserve to see them broken. I've never had any Apple or micro-USB cable break. Maybe try looking after you're stuff a bit better?
A lot of people think it's normal to bend the connector ends of the cable at obscene angles. I've never done thing with any kind of cable, and I've never had a cable fray.
I agree. We've got a dozen ipad fours. We use them in the field. All over Alaska and from extreme to extreme temperature wise. Had the iPhone 5&5s'es for 17 employees and my wife, nine year old son iPod touch fifth gen and not a SINGLE lightning cable since their release two years ago has crapped out. Two dozen at least with backups for vehicles, desks and homes. This is ridiculous. Whoever 'breaks' a Lightining cable does it intentionally. They don't. Just. Break. Good Lord!
Exactly. Every other OEMS competes there, and the only one who is even playing in the same sport as Apple is Samsung, and they have been sent back to the minors over the last year. Competing on the low-end/price is a race to the bottom that nobody wins except Google, much like Microsoft did in the PC business. In the end, Apple proved that model to be inferior, as well.
Lightning connector is not defective. We all wish USB would have put nearly as much thought into their connectors as Apple has. I can't exactly blame Apple for raising the bar here and showing others how it should be done.
It's funny, people see jacka$$ on youtube putting lots of pressure on an iPhone 6 plus and assume it's a real issue. Those that I know with a 6+ don't seem to have any trouble with it in their pockets, etc. Also, why no mention of devices like the HTC One which bends under considerably less pressure? According to consumer reports, it bends under 70 lbs of pressure whereas the iPhone 6+ doesn't start to bend until 90 lbs. of pressure.
Apple's position is more like "why have a 4K screen on a mobile phone if anything beyond about 400ppi is invisible to the human eye anyway". I like their approach, it's more about providing a packaged experience than a laundry list of ~~leet specz~ that integrate badly or not at all (case in point: NFC on Android).
I agree with you about 400 PPI being enough. Anything above 1080p on a phone is a waste of resources. But the iPhone 6 isn't 1080p, or at 400 PPI, and I can easily see a difference between it and higher density displays, so there is definitely some further improvement needed at least on the smaller iPhone 6.
There's also a big difference (heh) between being able to discern a difference, or caring about the difference. I certainly care about the difference between an iPad 2 screen and an iPad 3 and up screen. But I care *far* less about a 326 ppi screen vs a 400 ppi one. The other aspects of the display at that point are more "careworthy" (viewing angles, color, contrast, etc).
Assuming 20/20 vision, 326ppi is "retina" quality at a distance of 10.5" or greater. 400ppi brings that in to 8.5" or greater. This can be mathematically proven. For you to claim to be able to discern the difference, you either have vision that is greater than 20/20 or you hold your phone much closer than everyone else in normal use. I'm guessing that neither is true and that you're more concerned about the values listed on a spec sheet.
You know prior to disregarding his claims you should investigate human eyesight further, i present to you the phenomenom of Hyper Acuity, which is simply that our brains actually do notice certain defects up to 10x smaller than our "hardware" in our eyes suggests that we should be able to notice.
@Revdarian - Yes, I'm familiar with the concept of Hyper Acuity. However, if the argument comes down to "I think there's a difference between these two displays, but I can't really say what it is..." then I think it's also safe to suggest that any such differences simply don't matter. From a practical perspective, today's high end screens (including the iPhone 6 and 6+) have reached the point where any further "improvement" in resolution adds little or no value for normal viewing distances. That said, there are still improvements to be made in terms of color accuracy, brightness, contrast, etc. which are far more noticeable. As such, it's probably not a coincidence that these are the type of improvements that Apple has targeted with their latest displays.
I agree. I am ready for an Android upgrade but all the top models have stupid mega resolution. I don't want to pay for it because it provides no benefit. Can't see it, eats more battery.
Dude, please consider not skipping your meds!! I hope Apple sues you into the 20th Century. You are so clueless to be not just bizarre, but a bit unhinged mentally.
Agreed with everything you said + the 1gb memory on iphone 6 is utterly bs and to mention apple has been hiding the 1gb memory ram, checked their website and nothing is said or showed the 1gb memory ram, checked the specs page and nothing too, its too shameful to show it has 300% less memory ram than its competitors hehe
Why do they need more ram? The iPhone kills everything else in the benchmark (did you even read the anandtech review?). Apple rarely lists specs for their iDevices aside from storage. They don't need more ram when the 1GB iPhone is killing your 3GB android devices.
More RAM is useful for future iOS updates with advance features or new games that come out taking advantage of the larger display/ resolution. You're also forgetting that the RAM is shared with the GPU which means you're not getting the full 1GB for apps and cache. Don't forget multitasking is only going to have more of a presence in the future in terms of iOS.
It seems to me Apple fans commenting on a tech site don't know much about tech and how the parts actually work.
Weird, folks drill extremely happy with their near five year old iPhone 4 & their three and a half hear old iPad 2. Future proof. Interesting word choice. As far as 'future proofing' Apple is another example of 'paving the way' that others can't seem to figure out. Everyone gets the update the Same Day, Same Time. Works perfect! Adoption rates are exponentially quicker, faster and en masse than any other OEM or OS developer. Period. And with older devices they're optimizing and elimating features that WOULD cripple the user experience. I still own the original iPad. Still works great. locked into 5.x.x but holds a ten to twelve hour charge, spotless and scratch free. Going on five years old and still VERY usable for basic tablet comouting; surfing, email and social media, media consumption including incredible 'run time' for video watching or music listening. Reading books. Simple and older games. Pretty amazing and absolutely the opposite of your statement their Kidster. But you'll grow up, gain wisdom and 'learn' fact from fantasy
Because you can only have, at most, 5 tabs loaded in Safari at once before they will have to completely reload, which is time consuming and annoying at best. Even less tabs can stay loaded if, God forbid, you open another app for something and then return to Safari. That is just pathetic.
WTH do you need more than a half dozen tabs loaded? Buy a laptop man. Give it up iOS defekopers defekop for the masses. 512/1GB A5/6(x)/7. iOS 8 defelopment had begun but as we saw with '7‘...as time moves on the "Monument Valleys" and Asphalt 8s show up. MS Office suite and unreal 1.0 release and an example of 'how to do it right'. The list goes on. A large web page is 17-24 megs. There's almost ALWAYS more than 250-300 free and available, typically closer to ½ of the total isn't being 'spoken for' with compression. Available and 'free'. Cached and common processes life in the availability RAM for instant swipe to the app or page population. Apple seems to think more than 'five tabs' open results in a reload is reasonable. I agree. Typically I'll have two or three. I've got plenty of computers around if I need to write a thesis with mutilple Wiki and info Tabs ready immediately. I've never understood this 'issue' A) why so many tabs ...and B) the instantaneous repopulation of a page with LTE or decent Wifi is a blink of an eye. If you're commenting and need to reference something else, tap, select all, copy. Go to your reference page and when ya return ...if for some reason its 'gone' just click the response and hold finger, 'paste'. You're good. As fast as ios is on new devices it's amazing to me you guys are able to think 'faster' tan 'it'. Weird. LTE and near ubiquitous Wi.fi coverage in urban and populated areas, one shouldn't be thinking 'EDGE' reload speed. Click the empty tab and its damn near fully populated when you're ready with your finger to scroll. Who. Cares? That much of a hurry? Invest in a decent ISP and speed. Your Iphone will take care Of the rest
LOL. That's pretty sad. I would NEVER spend more than 2 minutes writing about a product I don't intend on using. You seem a LITTLE obsessed with Apple judging by your username. But I applaud you for having so much free time, must be nice having so much disposable time. I say you focus on using whatever works for you.
It took a second to scroll by your post, but I had to scroll back up to read your line
"Last but not least, every Apple product includes a direct hotlink to the NSA, free of charge, something that might make it a good value, after all."
Wait. Apple is the one with NSA connections?
Aljazeera released emails that show Google's founders speaking with the NSA director on a first name basis.
In 2004, Google bought Keyhole, a geospatial data visualization company with history and investments made by the CIA. Keyhole's marquee application suite, Earth Viewer, emerged as Google Earth in 2005 while other aspects of its technology were integrated into Google Maps.
SELinux was created by the NSA for "security purposes" and is included on Android with Google's permission. It cannot be disabled.
Do you think AOSP will save you with it's "millions of eyes" strategy? Wrong. Google Apps are closed source and cannot be removed by 99% of the population.
Yes. We don't really know what happens to the data that Apple collects. But Apple is a hardware company. They make their money selling devices.
We do know what Google does with our data however. Google exists to collect and sell user data. Distributing an OS and App package that collects user data is a far better strategy for mass spying than trying to directly compete with only a single companies hardware.
And there is nothing to stop Google from handing over anything they want behind closed doors, like you accuse Apple of, but with no evidence.
2nd response with a wall of text? On a popular website? Impossible. He clearly had it pre-prepared before the review was even ready seeing as it's the size and quality of a 7th graders essay.
You never stop making censorship requests, do you?
Here we go again:
In contrast to you I very much enjoyed reading the differing viewpoint mentioned above, albeit the fact that it does display a healthy dislike for apple products in general and has been written by an obvious android fan-boy.
Now what I don't like that much is your request to censor the aforementioned post and all related answers out of purely private motives.
Just because you deem something inappropriate and dispensable, it doesn't has to be that way, thus I politely ask you to respect the right of others to enjoy unhindered freedom of speech in general and the existence of other peoples personal opinions.
Hereby I politely ask you to abstain from censorship requests out of mainly egoistic, egocentric motivations, please respect other peoples rights and opinions.
As a side note, based on your behavior and the totalitarian nature of your requests, I suspect you to be either a member of some law enforcement entity or an individual blessed with a pretty weak character, apparently unable to deal with differing viewpoints in a grown up, factual manner.
"The apple way, selling over expensive crap to stupid consumers that like to get robbed."
starting at 200$ is the price that every companies top end smartphone starts at. iPhones have always been priced competitively.
"The iwatch is such an ugly piece of crap" - opinion
"Some characteristics are glaringly obvious and inherent to it: over expensive" - compared to what "hardly innovative" - combining messaging, navigation, and health features into a watch with TONs of interchangeable bands, integrating the watch dial as manual control, and the ability to use touch feedback to the user to communicate non-visual messages. Inductive charging without the need for a cradle. Theres really no other smart watch doing all of this...
"limited functionality and usability (need of an iPhone to make it work)" - Yup. Its an extension of your phone. this is normal.
"looks exactly like a toy watch and so on." - Have you seen it with any of the nice metal bands? And with the face up? What kind of toy watches are you looking at?
"There are of course way better smart watches out there, especially from the likes of Samsung, Sony, Motorola, Asus, LG, simply put, there is no need for another piece of over expensive junk." - You've never used a wearable before, have you? Or read any reviews? Every android one so far has been pretty terrible, with the "flagship" that everyone was waiting on using a 4 year old SoC.
"The iPhone 6 is technologically stuck in pre-2011 times, a base model with a capacity of 16GB without the possibility to use SD cards isn't even funny anymore. " - I 100% agree. Apple is making a ton of money off limiting storage capacity.
"Now the Iphone 6 Plus offers a „Retina HD“ screen, full 1920x1080p, oh wow, where have you been for the past 4 years apple, talk about trailing behind." - First 1080p smartphones came out in q4 of 2012.
"Car engines come to mind. For comparisons shake let’s look at a 1.0 liter, turbo charged petrol engine and a V8 compressor. What’s better should be obvious, but by calling the former an „ecobooster“, thus giving it a special marketing label, this joke becomes a „feature“, something positive that can be added tot the list of features of a car." - so we've made it clear you know literally cars. got it. stick to analogies with things that you understand.
"FACT: Apple has been forced to copy Android in style and size for years because people abandoned their tired, moribund and fossilized devices for superior and innovative Android devices." - Yes, they'e been taking the best features of android for a while now, and leaving the bad ones behind. And they've got a damn fine product to show for it.
"charge a premium price and wait for the rubes like Jim Smith to hand over their cash like the good iSheep they are." - Again, iphones are priced the same as any other smartphone.
"For all their squealing about Retina displays, they never even had a HD display until now; 8th time is the charm, though you need the iPhone Galaxy Note to get the 1080p that many Android users have had for at least a year and is now considered bare-minimum spec." Yes, androids have been pushing resolutions WAY higher than their processors and batteries could handle for several years. And they've been laggy/stuttery and have had terrible battery life the whole time.
And thats the part that you and the other fanboys just don't understand. Specsheets are boderline useless. Ask intel about spec sheet races during the netburst era of CPUs. Intel ran out clock speed improvements like crazy and got trounced with better user experience and performance by AMD CPUs running half the clock rate.
We can also use your inept car analogy here. Because with engines, bigger is not always better. Not by a longshot. A BMW M3 with a twin-turbo straight 6 pushes more HP and will outperform a Mustang with a 5.0L V8. An Ariel Atom with a 2.3L naturally aspirated engine will beat both cars in 0-60, and will outhandle them both. Because the entire car was built around performance. Point being, If all you look at is horsepower or engine size, you have no idea what you're doing and aren't really getting the best product for what you're trying to do.
Apple creates fantastic, tightly designed products that focus on the user experience. They have 100% control of their hardware and software ecosystems and are able to highly optimize everything they do to provide the highest level of performance they can. If you pick up an iphone 6, regardless of the specs, the screen will look great, the battery life will be great, the phone will be flawlessly snappy and won't lockup/hang/get slow over time. You'll have a great user experience, even if it doesn't spec for spec line up against a 2014 android flagship. Just like if you get into an ariel atom and hit the gas, it will absolutely throw you back against the seat and show you power and acceleration you've never felt before, even though by specs it doesn't look comparable at all to something like an M3 or a Mustang 5.0
I've never seen so much admiration or hatred for a company as I have Apple. Have you thought to think that, considering the length of your diatribe, that Apple is doing something RIGHT?
I mean, to polarize the world into groups of fanbois and haters, with each being equally passionate about Apple, I'd have to say that they're doing a damn fine job.
If they can compel you to write a 5,000 word essay denouncing their product, imagine what they do for people who actually ENJOY what they do.
I don't think the world is actually polarized.There's the 5% that are Apple fanboys, the 5% that would murder Steve Jobs if they had the opportunity, and then the 90% that'll buy wherever is the coolest.
One thing is certain: the iPhone is a superior product from a business standpoint.
Hey Apple craipple, you only prove what we know - Some Android fanatics are much worse then anybody. You make fun of people who buy a product while You display unstable emotion over a product you don't buy. To go to a site and troll - writing such a long worthless post - as you did.. For a product you don't buy. Any people here are technology lovers. People will buy what they want. It doesn't even matter what you post.
Apple didn't copy anything. They still use LCD.. Androids use Amoled - both have their strengths and downs. Apple doesn't just own their SOC - they have a hand in its design and Apples SOC is better overall as it outperforms in most areas despite a lower clock speed. Apple didn't copy going to higher Megapixels on their camera for marketing purposes like the Korean and Chinese phone makers. Guess what happens when you view a 13Mp picture on your smartphone? You view a 2Mp picture because that's all your screen can display - and people like you swear they can tell the difference! Haha. The best screen in the world - a 4k screen only displays at 8 Mp by the way. Apple spent more time making their camera sensor better - which is more important. Apple could've easily upped Megapixels to appease the psuedo intellects who think it matters. I suppose if your print posters all day- but your be using a professional camera not a smartphone.
After the first couple of paragraphs, I couldn't bear to read any further. Your obsessive hatred of Apple is driven by some sort of religious zeal. It's like some girl cheated on you with a guy who works at Apple.
I can't understand this level of hate. But after buying my first Apple product with the iPhone 3GS, I've slowly seen this in people who otherwise seemed normal. And because of the fierce resistance in me to those who are so forceful in their opinions of what others must think and do that is why I stick with Apple and won't consider Android. Ever.
You're probably just mad that the year-old 5S is still running circles around your brand new android gadget. That's right, the 5S! The 6 and 6 Plus don't even need to be mentioned here lol.
Indeed, and I think Anandtech is also a bit blinded by its US bias given the lack of comparison to any competitiors.
The Sony Z3 Compact has double the battery life and available at half the price in the UK. A similar sized screen yet in a noticeably smaller body, waterproofing, stereo speakers, double the RAM, 20MP 1/2.3" cam, SD storage expansion, FM Radio, better non-proprietary OS.
It's hilarious how Android zealots are actively searching Apple related news/reviews and have to come to vomit some shit out of their mouth to bolster their own choice. It just shows how immature and insecure they are.
So, i have had many phones in my life. One every six months for the past 6 years. The only iphones have had are the 4S and now the Plus, all the rest of been flagship, just released Android phones. My last one was the M8, the G2 before that. I love Android for many reasons, but i also hate for many others. I have a similar relationship with iOS. They both have their strengths and weaknesses.
I can go in to many details, but i can give you one big example of one of the things i love about iOS. Notice the benchmarks in this article. There is nothing 2012 about any of the iphone benchmarks. Even the 5S still holds its own against the current competition. Apple has done this with a dual core 1.4ghz processor while facing "innovative android phones" with quad core 2.5 ghz processors. In this aspect, iOS is FAR MORE INNOVATIVE than android.
Perhaps you should stop worrying so much about specs and start using an iPhone. Incidentally the spec war became a thing basically because Android was so bad when it first came out. I had an OG Droid and it was AWFUL, i mean just awful performance. Thats where it all began, Android was so inefficient that manufacturers had to just keep throwing more and more specs at it.
Like i started with, i have owned many androids, and i loved several of them, the G2 probably my favorite todate, but this iPhone is my new favorite, without question.
AppleCrappleHater2 is another perfect example of a crapDroid idiot. Before iPhone, you and the rest of your Walmart crapDroid idiots were still using flip phones. Also anything over $1.00 for a phone is expensive to you and your family. I get it that you are pissed, hearing and reading news of people lining up for Apple phones years after years. But with a little education and 2nd job, just maybe you will be able to afford an iPhone next year.
The numbers again: 6 Millions phones pre-ordered in 24 hours. 10 million iPhone 6 and Plus were sold in opening weekend.
Some of the examples that the whole industry is trying to copy Apple but still could not: iPod, iPhone, iPad, MacBook Air, MacBook Pros, Mac Pro 2013.
Ever heard of a BMW? yeah! Apple products are like that in term of quality. I bet you drive a beat up Ford truck and live in a trailer park near a Walmart 24 hours and supporting Obama correct?
*yawn* I stopped reading after the first sentence. Did anyone make the effort to summarize the iHating whining this basement-occupant was spewing? I didn't want to take away quality bathroom reading time.
there is more than one iphone competitor with no micro SD. That is just a silly argument. But you are just arguing silly specs. Apple has always lagged behind the bleeding edge. Both on computers and IOS devices. They throw a few nice flourishes on top such as retina or touch ID, but the underlying tech has almost always lagged behind the bleed edge. As the author calls out.
Did you really forget to mention one of Apple's new key features, introduced the first time with this new iPhone iteration, a capability prominently displayed by the new iPhone 6+ and best described by the words of Apple's CEO:
Dear iSheeps,
I am delighted you guys already noticed our brand-new "iBend" feature. We have intentionally kept quiet to preserve the big surprise now unveiled on behalf of our beloved iSheep. Let me share the following core principles, which were of particular importance throughout the design and development process:
1) Enhance our iSheep's ability to enjoy a panoramic perspective, to be able to make "Panoramas" without moving the iPhone or needing any third party software.
2) We wanted to compete with curved screen models form LG, Motorola and Samsung, mainly offered in their domestic markets.
4) It is our firm belief and intention to surprise Samsung and LG by showing that we are capable of having an edged display in our phones without actually having one, all for the purpose of trashing their new curved display phones and offering you a new, well hidden, feature.
5) Last but not the least, we want to sell more replacement screens (remember, screen replacement prices were already provided before our new iPhone launch event took place (in anticipation of it:), of course that's a feature, feel free to exchange displays now:)).
we are selling them at a huge premium, which means we make a lot of money and I get to enjoy a lot of additional bonifications (indeed, my 15th luxury home has an indoor pool filled with 100$ bills, hence I'm able to take a bath without suffocating).
More money leads to more attractive innovations like this special iBend (Registered Trademark, Patend Pending) feature you guys will be blessed with, as usual. Soon we will launch a new iDevice with an additional "S" in its name, it will offer a whole plethora of new features you will be able to make use of, like the possibility to to bend it back and forth to form an S shape. ("iS", Patend Pending)
I sincerely believe you iSheeps are happy with our new iBend 6 Plus, however please let me take the opportunity to thank you all for being such a giant hoard of ignorant, blind and mindless suckers whose whole purpose in life consists of buying our new iDevice/iCrap (Registered Trademark, Patend Pending) for a very high premium while wasting their valueless time waiting in the iQueue just to brag about which poor soul enriched me first. Always remember and never forget, the only thing premium about apple is price, everything else pales in comparison.
I'm terribly sorry I did forget to correct some typos, nonetheless, here we go (corrected version):
Did you really forget to mention one of Apple's new key features, introduced the first time with this new iPhone iteration, a capability prominently displayed by the new iPhone 6+ and best described by the words of Apple's CEO:
Dear iSheep,
I am delighted you guys already noticed our brand-new "iBend" feature. We have intentionally kept quiet to preserve the big surprise now unveiled on behalf of our beloved iSheep. Let me share the following core principles, which were of particular importance throughout the design and development process:
1) Enhance our iSheep's ability to enjoy a panoramic perspective, to be able to make "Panoramas" without moving the iPhone or needing any third party software.
2) We wanted to compete with curved screen models form LG, Motorola and Samsung, mainly offered in their domestic markets.
4) It is our firm belief and intention to surprise Samsung and LG by showing that we are capable of having an edged display in our phones without actually having one, all for the purpose of trashing their new curved display phones and offering you a new, well hidden, feature.
5) Last but not the least, we want to sell more replacement screens (remember, screen replacement prices were already provided before our new iPhone launch event took place (in anticipation of it:), of course that's a feature, feel free to exchange displays now:)).
we are selling them at a huge premium, which means we make a lot of money and I get to enjoy a lot of additional bonifications (indeed, my 15th luxury home has an indoor pool filled with 100$ bills, hence I'm able to take a bath without suffocating).
More money leads to more attractive innovations like this special iBend (Registered Trademark, Patent Pending) feature you guys will be blessed with, as usual. Soon we will launch a new iDevice with an additional "S" in its name, it will offer a whole plethora of new features you will be able to make use of, like the possibility to to bend it back and forth to form an S shape. ("iS", Patent Pending)
I sincerely believe you iSheep are happy with our new iBend 6 Plus, however please let me take the opportunity to thank you all for being such a giant hoard of ignorant, blind and mindless suckers whose whole purpose in life consists of buying our new iDevice/iCrap (Registered Trademark, Patent Pending) for a very high premium while wasting their valueless time waiting in the iQueue just to brag about which poor soul enriched me first. Always remember and never forget, the only thing premium about apple is price, everything else pales in comparison.
Wow, just wow. I agree with most of what you say but you are just going to start fights the way you put it all down. You're not helping.
BTW, you mention iPhone Galaxy. I agree, the new iPhone resembles recent Galaxy phones very much in physical form. You should take a look at the Galaxy Alpha though. It looks almost identical to an iPhone 5 with the chamfered edges. pretty sad imo.
Not that everyone else have already call it.... But, plain and simple: No one is forced to buy A or B. If you don´t like it, or don´t have the means, don´t. Respect the decision and opinion of the others. Or as someone else had pointed: A) The ones that have the means, they truly have the choice, they can either buy it (because they like the style, the tech, or simply because of the ´status factor´), or they can buy a ´dumb phone´ instead (because they don´t care, or don´t have the need). B) The ones that don´t have the means. Well those don´t have much of a choice and have to live with what is possible... and accept that, and not coming after the others because "he/she can´t have what he/she really want"
Apple's hardware division - so well integrated with its software division that we do not distinguish the two as we would with most others - makes a strong profit on its devices. Starting with iPhones, iPads, iPods, etc., their profit margin on the hardware seems beyond reason, yet the plastic phones with equivalent or inferior build make MORE profit.
None of these companies can make such quality devices without the WTO allowing slave labour in China, India, African nations, etc.,to compete at level terms with the labour force of the "developed" nations; the same WTO contract that USA, China, UK, Germany, India, Brazil, Australia and other nations from every dimension of the social or economic space signed!
That made the 19 year old, 16 hour/day worker from China/India/rest of Asia/Africa AT PAR with highly educated and qualified workers from Germany, UK, USA, India, China, Western European nations, etc., workers who work in less enslaving conditions! If the iPhone 4,5 & 6 series, as well as the HTC, Samsung and such companies' products, were made in Japan, Germany, USA, UK, France, etc., they will cost more than $9000 to $25000 to make! So, the going prices for the hardware, not just from Apple, but the entire spectrum, is a great deal for the consumer.
Apple's software make huge profit - brain power is tough to quantify!
The people who steal our money most are the service providing "middlemen"! That includes the companies that allow us to USE these toys! The phone plans, the billing of both parties for the same call - minutes are erased from the caller and the receiver in the USA for the same call! Not one PAC has been formed to fight this.
These non-producing middlemen include the telephone, cellphone and the CABLE companies! Add the satellite companies if their plans go thru'.
People drill liquid 1m or 2000m from the surface, refine and sell them for great profits, because the fluid powers ours locomotives. The same companies prevent alternate sources of fuel for the same use! We are so used to it that when the new set of companies do the same, we are numb to the stabs!
I pay $250 to $800 upfront for a device in the USA, and use it as long as possible, years! Much more of my money is taken from me in much smaller installments every month, adding up to $240+ per family per month, just for phones! Cable and broadband adds another $200+ in most households! THAT is a car payment!
While the newer smartphones allow me to do more - play more games, be entertained with video of various forms such as games, stupid cats, etc. (paying more there), enjoy the social behaviour of human collective without being social by just staring into a 4-6 inch screen, the phones are much smaller and better than the first simple cellphones! Their primary function is still to be able to make quality phone calls! And, texts, when important. Their super-smart powers are seen when used at trade (stocks), hospitals, and now 24/7 health monitoring! Same device - simple or complex use, still cheap at the physical level; buy it cheaper with a plan that does not suit you, you are shredding your cash.
So, Apple or Samsung can gouge me for 100% profit on their quality hardware! I am bleeding into a shock state from the "nickel and dime" hemorrhaging of my other services - the phone plans, the contracts, the over the limits, etc.! The cable companies lay down the hardware still poorly to supply broadband, and channel programs that they do not create! There goes my money!
It's obvious you don't have much experience in technology, you can tell you've been sucked into the Android/ Samsung marketing telling you what you need in a phone.
It seems you sold on specs and specs only, It's sad that Android phone have to put such large specs, faster GHZ, More RAM just to keep up with the iPhone, depending on which benchmarks you read, at times the iPhone is faster, at times Android is faster, but overall pretty even, that just shows how inefficient Android is, Needs double the specs to keep up.
You obviously like car analogies, Its like you think a 1000hp Ford Focus will out race a 500hp Porsche 911 on a race track, just cramming horsepower doesn't make it a all-around better.
Its amazing how much Android keeps copying iPhone features every single year, And Android profits keep sinking FAST, just look at Samsung's recent quarter, complete backslide.
Why is Android flagship phones still using 20 year old 32 bit technology?
Its amusing to watch Fandroids brag about their pretty dancing wallpapers, can't you see that Googles precious Green Robot and Samsung marketing machine has you sucked in.
It's always difficult for me to understand such long hate comments.
If you don't like it, just ignore it.
I admit I am a long time user of iPhones, because I think they are good for me. But I never really care if my friend would also use an iPhone or if he prefers Android.
As far as I can see, it is always non-iPhone users who are most vocal about features that they don't like, etc etc. If you are not going to use it anyway, why do you even care?
The Apple A8 and Sammy's Exynos 5433 are the two best SoC's out there. Moreover, the speed of the RAM of the latest iPhone's is almost double than their competitors. And although just like you said, the 16GB base-model is more of a joke nowadays, the capacity of their pricier siblings is unheard of. Can you point me to some other smartphone with 128GB's of embedded flash storage and, of course, a more competitive price? No.
What's funny is the fact that you imply the smartphone with the most advanced 'intestines' of all is outdated.
Oh, I almost forgot: the AMOLED displays are crappier than a LED IPS-panel. They're simply more impressive due to their colors being over-saturated (and that means they display the colors WRONG.)
Right on mate.. These Ifool lovers hate when you talk and compare specs, so brainwashed they defend apple with words like "software optimisation" lol, and how Samsung copies apple., just really stupid arguments. Anyway I know what my next phone is:), my current phone(gs5) I have no complaints it's just a beast does everything I want eg. Download, stream content to any device including apple TV Hahaha play games without issue, Apple Ifools can only dream of having a taste of what Samsung has given there followers.
Yeah it's a solid phone and Apple puts together the pieces to give a good all around experience. One of the fastest cpu's in any smartphone; one of the fastest to focus, best low light, color accurate cameras, a display that is very accurate and has great contrast. A phone that has more LTE bands then 99% of all phones. A phone that has battery life on par with most competitors - despite having a battery that's only 1/3 the size.
Thank you! I had just read the AnandTech review and was under the impression this was a pretty swell device. You've set the record straight! It's obvious by your username that you are a well-informed, unbiased fountain of useful information.
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This has to be the most mentally disturbed case of trolling I've ever seen. Seek help dude, you're not well.
Great review guys. Wonder if Apple's consistent lead in CPU performance will prompt Arm/Android handset makers to focus on efficiency rather than cores or frequency in future SoCs. One can only hope...
What CPU lead? I don't see Apple leading in the CPU department at this stage due to its low CPU frequency and low amount of cores (apps are multithreaded these days). Don't get blinded by single thread performance and browser benchmarks that don't reflect reality.
I can't make it decode HEVC video no matter what I attempt if that's what you're asking. If you check my Twitter you'll see I've been obsessing about this since they put the spec page up.
Good point! MY guess is Apple is adding that capability this year on the sly so when they are ready to add H.265 encoded video to iTS the market will be prepared, even though they will seamlessly offer H.264 and H.265 alongside each other.
My girlfriend bought hers last friday(when it launched here in Norway), and so far it seems like a very good phone indeed. A lot faster than her aging 4S, which in it's own right feels decently fast. The 6 is a very impressive package, but having only 1GB of RAM is a dealbraker for me. Also, they still haven't fixed the awfull sound quality when you record videos. 64 kbps mono is not acceptable in 2014.
It seems like an amazing phone, but there's no effing excuse for only having 1GB of RAM. Multitasking with the 5S was poor and Safari web page reloads were constant for me, and anything that needlessly wastes my data plan is extremely annoying.
You'll see my question posted in these comments. But, I don't understand how more RAM would lead to better multitasking. For the first handful of apps in the multitasking window, I believe they are all stored in RAM. Maybe if one is playing a game or editing a video while multitasking, I can see some performance issues with memory swapping. But, for my day to day use with light gaming and no video editing, 1Gb of RAM is perfect.
I guess he's beeing apologetic. But with the introduction of the 6+ and more "tablet like" features, having only 1GB of RAM is going to hurt in the long run.
Interesting. My iPad Air is still FLYING! I do edit video, I manipulate photos, play games and tend to use Mercury Pro or iCab as my browser of chooce though some awesome improvements have been made with Safari. With LTE and WiFi a,b,g,n and AC, a decent ISP @ home the instantaneous repopulation of a website is 'immediate'. No waiting involved. Not sure which developer is pushing Any Software with RAM limitations in iOS. As this IS the highest, fastest and latest silicon found on an iOS device. Some of the graphic and landscape design they're doing with Metal (see the Unreal 4 engine) is absolutely mind bending ....for a measly GB of RAM. When it comes to 'tablet like features' iOS has Android buried in the dirt. There's a few hundred optomized tab apps for Android. A few hundred thousand 'optimized' iOS tab apps. That's one of the annoyances I've got with my Note 3. Phone apps 'stretched' to fill the display.
it will never matter if it has too much ram. now if it has too little ram... seriously, when did it become a thing to hate more ram? its not like the phone would cost significantly more with an extra gig. Or start operating badly...embrace the ram, it lets you do MORE THINGS.
It's not the monetary cost, it's the constant power cost, in use and at idle. If there is a need for more, then fine, but performance isn't being impacted, nor is battery life, which there would be if it had 3GB.
Consider your daily use. What do you get, 5-8 hours screen-on time? That means that the extra RAM is consuming your finite amount of power two-thirds of every day. Couple that with inefficient 2012 Qualcomm architecture, and you will see an idle power-consumption impact.
Besides, (assuming you browse the web) safari will need to reload tabs if you have a couple open and a few apps. Can you compare how much energy it costs to use the radios vs having the page STILL in RAM?
So, anand works for Apple now. I thought you guys were one of the last neutral and objective tech reviewers. While hole internet is full of bandgate scandal, you recommend this as a best phablet to buy. ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Anand didn't write the review, so where he works is irrelevant.
And yes, they are a neutral, objective tech review site, unlike the 'hole' internet where most of the websites you see pushing 'scandals' are those with sensationalist stories and click baiting.
So, is your complaint that Anandtech is actually, as you said, one of the last neutral and objective sites? Or were you hoping for some Apple bashing to make you feel better about your Android phone.
I have to agree. It's a sad comment on the partiality of anandtech at this point that there wasn't even a mention of the low structural integrity of these phones near the volume rocker.
Ryan, Consumer Reports testing showed that the iphone6 and 6+ were practically indistinguishable from a materials and structural weakness point.
The only significant difference is the 6+ is the bigger model so it's going to receive even more torque on the weak spot, but that doesn't excuse the fact that the iphone6 and 6+ are essentially half as sturdy as the iphone5 was.
Apple should have let go of their absurd thickness obsession and just made a phone that was a bit sturdier.
Why is everyone quoting and sourcing consumer reports all of the sudden as if they are the worlds premier source of phone bending information??
Where did they get their sample? Why were they so quick to do this test- as if they weren't busy doing anything else? How much did apple pay them to rush out this 'test'??
If you have ANY other reports or whatever that have some actual numbers in it instead of silly opinions or videos I'm sure everybody would be glad to see them. And what's so strange about Consumer Reports testing a device that sells 10 million in a single weekend? They did the same with the iPhone 4 and its antenna back then.
I just can't stand people rallying against something they don't like, bad-mouthing everything that has actual facts in it while trying to drum up a mob. Come up with number and facts to compare against or just shut up.
It doesn't matter if the 6 and 6+ are "half as sturdy as the iphone5". It only matters if they are sturdy enough for how they're intended to be used. No one has proven otherwise, only put forth the idiotic notion that phones are supposed to withstand muscle-tensing attempts to bend them in half.
Do you have any proof that the iPhone 6/6+ aren't sturdy? Being less sturdy in one test by CR is not evidence that they aren't sturdy devices. This entire "scandal" that you can destroy CE without hands is fucking absurd. CR and those YouTube uploaders are simply parasites capitalizing on the success of others.
Investigate Metal Fatigue, how it works, it's logarithmic relationship with the actual strength used vs the inverse of the expected life of the device, it may not be instant, but it really isn't smart to drop their structural resistance as much as they did in a single go.
@Revdarian - I don't think this is really a question of metal fatigue as much as it is a question of real world usage situations. It's clear that Apple performs their own testing and analysis on this. They've demonstrated that. The question is, were their estimates about what is needed for real world usage correct or not? Given that out of the tens of millions of iPhone 6 & 6+ devices sold, the actual number of complaints apparently remains in the single digits. Given that Consumer Reports demonstrated how other phones such as the HTC One bend under considerably less pressure and that this hasn't been an issue for them, it's not likely to be a real issue for Apple. History has demonstrated that each iPhone release is accompanied by some sort of fictitious "gate". History has gone on to show that in each case they are complete nonsense and without merit. Hundreds of millions of units are sold without any further mention of such issues. Yet, the tech press is just so desperate to find something. Why? Because controversy sells... It adds page hits to their web sites, etc. It's shameful that this sort of thing is given any merit in the first place without actual empirical analysis.
man, how is the review related to anand. it was a complete review. a mile better than review from blogs and godlike-android-user-who-have-brand-issues.
I knew there would be some asshat that felt Anand getting a job at Apple would somehow invalidate anything and everything ever written on this site, regardless of Anand's actual involvement.
If you believe Anand is secretly whispering to them then you need to stop reading this site right now.
Personally, the only question I have is why wasn't AnandTech able to get pre-release models for testing this year.
It is very surprising that the bend issue wasn't even mentioned considering there's a lot of talk about it. If your editorial judgment says it's a nonissue then mention it as a nonissue and explain why. If it's the worst thing to happen to apple industrial design in the past ten years then say it and explain why. To completely ignore the issue in the main review seems negligent.
Yah! Whatever. Wake me up when something good comes along.
Apple has been irrevelent for a long time now, except for sheeps. Besides, the industrial design is no longer exciting as others have the same or better without the antenna-gate or bend-gate issues like yours truly in the review.
Oh! And only 1gb of ram in 2014? Are you for real? Sure... I guess. If you like to continue loading their profit margins. As always, a useless phone for the masses who don't know better. You know who you are.. Because you're baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaddddd!
Sure there are sheep. But they only make up a certain percentage of total sales. Every year the sales break the previous record. Because more than just the sheep are buying them.
It's funny how the so called irrelevant phone brought all the crazed android fanboys out!
You miss the point. Millions of potential customers have the same exact hardware. As a developer and content creator that is a huge incentive. Apps are what make the experience on a phone, and Apple has consistently exceeded in that Field.
And to add, I only used the sales number to dispute the idiotic claim that the phone isn't relevant. Then the fanboys go sales don't mean it's good. It never ends with the fanboys.
That is true, but it does prove relevance, which completely destroys your initial point.
According to Google's own Android analytics the 4.5" and larger devices are but a very small fraction of device activations so what you're going to see is the Apple, once again, entering a market much later than everyone else simply to dominate it.
How hard is it to be this dense and ignorant? Anand just went into amazing detail about the A8, a 20nm cutting edge processor which is leaps and bounds ahead of the competition.
Stop comparing specs between Android and Apple phones. The OS's make spec comparisons irrelevant. Only benchmarks can show meaningful differences. But then again based on your comments I bet you'd think that a Toyota Sienna with 220HP is faster than a Ducati Monster with 130 HP
You're a simple man Would've been significantly more paper 'to continue loading their profit margins‘ by keeping the storage sizes the same 16/32/64 & increasing the RAM by double than rhe NAND by double (16/64/128). So back atcha, as an owner of both and someone that held out on my Note 3 to wait on a 64GB to materialize....it never DID! 32 or go home (of which just over 20 is open and with each successive update my micro SD is becoming 'less relevant' than earlier, slower and 'glitchier' Android builds.
Google doesn't want OEMs to use offboard storage. So if they're coding their OS to NOT utilize those memory sticks...and the 'limit' is typically 32GB with an infrequent 64GB & NO 128s, who's coveting their pennies more? Cupertino or MtVall? Apple could've easily saved more on the BOM by doubling, even quadrupling RAM and not increasing storage (NAND). But...why? I think it's a generational thing. I've got a 2010 MBA with 2GB or RAM, 128 GB SSD, and my son uses it daily without a hiccup. Apple's ability to MANAGE RAM has shown time and time again it's NOT the bottleneck in performance. Where's my proof? I own the 5s and Note 3. Any and EVERY app in parity is SMOKED by the 5s with a third the RAM, half the cores and half the speed. Photo manipulation in Lightroom or iPhoto, audio production in any of hundreds of DAWS, GarageBand which is free and INCREDIBLY powerful, with the ability to mix out 16 or 32 tracks of instruments and vocals, that's unbelievable. If you're surfing, Apple's smart enough to free enough RAM for your current page allowing other cached processes to continue running efficiently with excellent reliability. A good sized web page is 15-20MB...Not a GB!
Not to mention some of the sites poor coding and builds on top of antiquated code as well as dynamic content sites, ala Facebook. But with FB and so MANY other sites having 'apps' that don't need to be viewed in a browser. This reminds me of the 90s and the Pentium years. Just add RAM! Lol when we could only utilize about 3GB on 32bit rigs, folks were putting 4 in and SWEARING the difference was night and day Night and day differences come from better SoC design, more efficiency and battery life, lighter, faster, more secure, better dusplay characteristics and FAST internal storage are ALL bigger benefits than this tired RAM argument. Again, there's three gigs in my n3. Playing Asphalt 8 you'd swear it's my 5s that's got three and quad cores.
Nope ...it is the other way around and a sad reality
Wow, looks like a Galaxy now. But still no SD card and removable battery. Don't think I can ever buy a phone that don't have both of those features, android or not.
If you aren't savvy enough to use the cloud, just buy more storage up front. It is more elegant, allows for less complexity (paramount for security, developing applications, and performance), and provides an overall smaller footprint.
Not only that, but Apple is obviously putting some pretty quick storage in these devices. If you need storage get the large, fast, contiguous storage and the rest use the cloud.
Yeh, your display white point are not consistent with what others have measured (~7500k @ displaymate, phonearena, various Russian sites). Given your reputation for in-depth technical analysis, it wouldn't surprise me if Apple singled you out for a specially prepared unit.
Apple has always had significant variance in white point. They would not send a cherry picked sample with a hot pixel right in the middle of the panel.
There's very little downside to providing a unit with a hot pixel. A defective unit like that will be replaced under warranty, no questions asked. On the other hand, it is being used by you guys to suppress your 'suspicions' that you have a cherry picked phone. PR is devious by nature and I think you guys might be being a little naive here.
Why don't you re-run these tests on your personal units and see how much they differ? I think that would be the right thing to do, as after all you admitted you were suspicious.
All you'd need to do is hold one phone next to another to see if the displays were visually different. If they were, then you retest. If they aren't, then you don't. But the idea that the hot pixel was intentional to "suppress their suspicions" is truly tin-foil hat level ridiculous.
Not at all. Read the article (and Brendons comment). They were suspicious at seeing such good measurements, but the hot pixel on their unit allayed their fears that the unit might have been cherry picked. The hot pixel did indeed "suppress their suspicions". It's not something I made up.
I'm just pointing out that there is a rather large discrepancy between Anandtech and every other site out there when it comes to these measurements.
Apple could have done a better job at making those lines look a little more appealing and maybe curving out the back more to make it feel better in hand (brother has the Iphone 6 and likes the curved back of my One M8/ sister's M7). I like the iPhone 6 but some niggling issues kept me from buying it (not bendgate) but it's a definite improvement over the 5s, especially the battery life.
Paid off by Apple... They must be blind not to notice the propensity for the iphone's overly warm (color temperature shifted to red) images. Images with more warmth look better but are not accurate to the original scene.
It is amazing how Apple pays off so many people, yet still manages to hold on to an enormous war chest. It's like the one product in the pipeline that has not been rumored is a currency printing press.
Warm tends to shift 'yellow' not red Cool shifts blue I've yet to see a review that doesn't discuss the incredible displays on the new iPhones. Go look at one yourself and tell me it's 'warm'. That's bullshit. I've been shooting still and motion almost thirty years. This phone out of the BOX is as accurate as our (calibrated) NEC & EIZOs.
Nothing in the review about the poor structural design of the latest iphone and its significantly great tendency to be bent and broken compared with the last iphone?
Two red flags struck me as I read this review. The obligatory 'button feel' statement - and if I looked I bet it is word for word what is in every iPhone review, as if it's in some contractual agreement for getting you a review unit.
The other is the blanket statement about the os/software aspect being 'great', with no mention of the 8.0.1 update that broke cell reception and touch id. If other phone manufacturers can't get away with this kind of thing, how can apple?
The more I reread this 'review' I can't help but think that it was influenced by apple in many ways. Sad.
One red flag struck me as I read your comment. You can't comprehend people liking something you don't. It's hard, I know. But you've got to try to understand if you're going to survive in the adult world. Seeing conspiracy in anything that doesn't agree with your opinions is indicative of your infantilisation.
I simply noticed that the button travel comment seemed similar in every review. That and an and tech has been critical of other devices with software issues - or at they very least mentioned them like they did for mantle issues, etc.
Going to 'survive in the adult world' - you just gave yourself away Tony Swash (you). Your wording gives you away you apple tool.
Besides, I never stated anything about not liking the phone, you did.
Surviving in the adult world must be hard for you since you're the type of person to put words in others mouths.
Butthurt is an accurate account of Tony's post. It's also a funny word to me, just like 'butt fumble'. I would also call him a troll. Is that a 12 year old word too?
Would Asshurt work better for you?
Tell me something. Do you use any '12 year old' intellect sounding words? You can't possibly say no, because by saying no you will acknowledge that you are very familiar with what those words are - the implication would then be that you, in fact, use those words yourself often and will 'nullify' your 'attack' on my comment.
How else could you then explain your position that only someone with a 12 year olds intellect would use that term?
I would think that only someone with a 12 year old's intellect would make such post on a forum about a phone. See how easy it is to do that?
Besides, my intellect wasn't being challenged by Tony, since he's a troll and all, but if you want a debate I'll happily oblige.
"Tell me something. Do you use any '12 year old' intellect sounding words? You can't possibly say no, because by saying no you will acknowledge that you are very familiar with what those words are - the implication would then be that you, in fact, use those words yourself often and will 'nullify' your 'attack' on my comment."
I don't use a Dildo. but i know what one is...
Just because you know of something does not mean you use it, for future reference.
Do I really have to explain that a dildo is an object and a 12 year olds vocabulary isn't such a tangible thing?
I'll use smaller words so you and your friends can all understand.
One person's opinion of what words do and what do not resemble the intellect of a 12 year old will vary from person to person. To accurately demonstrate you are speaking a 'Fact:' you should have a lot of experience in speaking with a 12 year old and like a 12 year old to make a post that, ironically enough, starts with this person stating 'Fact:' as if they themselves are prepubescent in age.
And surely someone who is likely called a dildo often will know what one is.
First, you make a stupid criticism of an article because you claim they repeated an opinion they had previously. WOW, they can't possibly maintain the same opinion that they had previously. BIAS!!!
Then, you make a stupid criticism that they haven't brought up a bug which affected a small number of people and has already been fixed, and likely hadn't happened / was already fixed by the time this article was written. Why write about an issue which isn't there for anyone purchasing the phone?
Someone points out to you how ridiculous you're being, and you call him 'butthurt'. The only person appearing 'butthurt' is you - by the review, because it doesn't satisfy your pathetic anti-Apple agenda.
Then, as if to confirm what we already knew, you underline your lack of intellect with a series of logical errors:
'you will acknowledge that you are very familiar with what those words are - the implication would then be that you, in fact, use those words'
So you don't understand that knowing a word and using a word are different things.
'How else could you then explain your position that only someone with a 12 year olds intellect would use that term?'
Um, because it's an immature, illogical word to use? Which you can know whether you use it or not?
'Do I really have to explain that a dildo is an object and a 12 year olds vocabulary isn't such a tangible thing?'
So you failed to understand his example which explained to you (with an example) that knowing what something is and using it are different things, and you're now going on about tangibility? His point never depended on a particular vocabulary being 'tangible', and your tangential argument that it did just shows you didn't understand the example.
'To accurately demonstrate you are speaking a 'Fact:' you should have a lot of experience in speaking with a 12 year old and like a 12 year old to make a post'
This is just wrong on so many levels. Firstly, his use of 'fact' is clearly not used in the literal sense. Secondly, having experience speaking with 'a 12 year old and like a 12 year old' wouldn't allow you to use it in the literal sense, and thirdly - if it did, you wouldn't necessarily have to act like one yourself to understand what one is.
'And surely someone who is likely called a dildo often will know what one is.'
What kind of argument are you trying to make here? Who said anything about anyone being called a 'dildo'? Way to just miss the point, completely.
What happened here, in summary, is that you cried all over an iPhone review because it didn't criticise what you wanted it to, accused this clearly objective site of having bias, and then called anyone 'butthurt' who pointed out how illogical you were being. You then proceeded to fail to understand when someone was telling you how you were being immature, taking it literally and coming up with a series of logically invalid arguments to take the conversation on a pointless (and incorrect) tangent.
Grow up, accept that the review can be positive without having bias, and try not to define your life on how successful consumer products that you hate all over are.
This is the first Iphone I have ever used. I was on the Palm Pre and then have used HTC Evos and One until now. The usb port on my HTC One will no longer hold a cable to charge (2 friends are having similar problems) HTC and sprint wont fix it. So I was attracted to apple because of apple care. Best warranty around. After using using the phone for over a week I like it a lot. I miss my back button and a few other things from android but this is a great phone and android loyalist should give it a shot. The 1GB Ram is a bit ridiculous though
Man, android fans are livid with this review. Here is the thing, the fact is the current mobile world have apple's hand all over it, whether you want to admit it or not. All current smartphones are using templates from 2007, nothing and I mean nothing has change from that fundamental truth. The current Arm chips that's in everyone smartphones have apple written all over it, it was founded by apple and ARM holdings and served as the basis for the Apple Newton in 1994. Apple sold a lot of their stake when the company ran into financial trouble in 1997. Apple still own a big stake into ARM even today, which might explain why they were able to get 18-24 months jump on everyone for the 64bit ARM chip. This is why most android fans are mad, they just don't want to give apple any sort of credit no matter what. Look, unless android change the current mobile market as far as how we are currently using our smartphones, Apple will always have those things as the pioneer of the modern smartphone. I will not hold my breath for it either since no one in the android camp have the clout for that kind of industry change movement. Have you ever notice what android fans count as revolutionary, NFC, bigger screen, 3gb ram, really! Those things are not android inventions, the NFC is the worst, because it is a standard that's available for anyone to use, but according to those android fans, it is their invention /s. How about market defining things, like you know, forced the industry from bb and their clones blackjack to touch interface. Shifting away the carrier stronghold from pre-2007 to what it is today. Although android undid all of that by shifting it right back to the carriers (thank you google), which is why android still needs carriers to approved their updates.
I will get the iPhone one posted in Vrms as well, but I don't have the M8 available to update the plot. Neither the scale, nor the spurious tones, really change, and I want to use dB going forward. It actually might change to be from 0-10kHz in a linear format instead of log as well, because it's easier to see the data that way.
Between the defective lightning port (on all devices, not just the 6) and the defective design of the 6 that allows it to bend when it shouldn't, I'd never buy one of these...
But I have to again register my view that Apple is continuing to make a GIGANTIC mistake by not having an inexpensive model. Microsoft over a year ago showed you could make a perfectly fine smartphone and sell it for $100...much less what you can do at $200 on up, but Apple continues to compete only in the $450+ range...which of course means their market share has declined year after year.
And with a declining market share of course comes less exclusive programs, less 'we launch first on iOS' programs, and less revenue from programs and media.
This is Apple so I wouldn't expect them to hit $100 even though they easily could have a year ago with a perfectly solid product...but why the heck didn't they at least launch the 5c or something like it at $200? Or $ 300 a year ago? Even if they wanted to be silly and stick their dual core A9 platform in there and sell it at $300 (nevermind that last year's Nokia 520 cost $100 and used Krait), that STILL could have helped them significantly hold on to market share...maybe even gain some back.
The entire Apple business model is based on their closed ecosystem, this is what attracts people to spend $950 on an iPhone. As Android and Windows phone fall in price, the ecosystem will be all that allows Apple to continue earning crazy margins. If you degrade that ecosystem with a cheaper iPhone, a signficant proportion of users will move to the cheaper version, driving ASP down and Apple's profits down. Apple's only hope is to stay at the upper end of the market and hope they don't mess up an update, becasue if they do, that will be the end of Apple's fat profits.
Android fanboys crying in the masses. Everytime Apple bring a new iPhone out it breaks the records and gets great reviews all over the place, yet they are all paid off or biased. Android isnt the problem with Android, its the idiots using it who cant accept there are better options out there that just work.
Word. Sadly there will always be hatred but interestingly enough I dont see many bashing on the cheap low quality android phones out there, its more like android users bashing on iphones.
"Android fanboys crying in the masses. Everytime Apple bring a new iPhone out it breaks the records and gets great reviews all over the place, yet they are all paid off or biased. "
Because as a lifetime Apple user, even I have become annoyed with the fact that its is missing features that should be on a high end smartphone - more Ram to stop the browser reloading (that alone will stop me buying i6), waterproofing so I don't have the dreaded mositure indicator ruining my trade in value, a sd card slot, so I can swap music or movies when I travel (and don't have to pay Apple 5x the cost of nand), wireless charging etc etc etc
If iPHone had all those features and this was a Samsung review, it would be slated..
So stop talking crap about RAM when you don't even understand that it isn't necessary.
Waterproofing is a seriously niche requirement, it adds bulk and ugly for no benefit to most people.
If you really value SD cards so much that probably explains why you're not at all the 'lifetime Apple user' you claim to be, which probably explains why you don't have a clue about any of the recent models.
'If iPHone had all those features and this was a Samsung review, it would be slated..'
You mean like if the iPhone had a fingerprint scanner as awful as the Samsung one, it would be slated?
@Speedfriend - Conceptually, I was hoping for more ram also. But that's more out of a desire for future breathing room than it is for any immediate issue I'm having. While I have had a Safari tab reload on occasion, it's so seldom and so fast that I honestly don't notice it.
Having said that, it's also not exactly fair to say that the iPhone needs more memory because Android phones need more memory. These are two different operating systems with different footprints and memory requirements. iOS is clearly more efficient. I'm hard pressed to think of something I can't do due to memory limitations on iOS that I can do on Android.
In terms of performance, you're getting the top of the line with iPhone 6. Especially sustained performance where the phone doesn't have to throttle down under heavy loads. That's worth something to me. So are advertised features that actually work... like Touch ID, etc. as compared to Samsung's joke of an implementation. You mention waterproofing, yet fail to mention the port capping that's both necessary and impractical. etc, etc.
They're by far the most obnoxious fans out there, nothing comes close. They can't just enjoy what they have, they also need to hate on everything else.
Why does the author wish for more RAM in final words? The author pointed out higher RAM performance in A8 in A8 section. It seems like the full-screen multitasking and tier of high-speed flash memory in iPhone 5S and 6 cater to fast RAM swapping onto primary storage WHEN storage becomes an issue. The only use case I can imagine 1Gb being a constraint is a long video edited on iMovie. Perhaps that long video would be best edited on another device. And, for that particular use case, perhaps we'll see the next version of iPad rumored to be iPad Pro contain 2Gb or more of RAM. But, as I see it, there is no need for over 1Gb of RAM on a smartphone with hibernating multitasking like iOS unless one is editing huge videos or comparing with the spec sheets or Android phones.
sure, it can be argued Ad nauseam that more ram isn't needed, but i have never heard of anyone having too much ram, or that high amounts of ram has affected them negatively. the only reason there is only 1GB of ram in Apples products is cost and profit. its not like comparing a dual and quad core processor, which would impact battery life and clock speeds, its just pure profit. add 1 more GB of ram and multitasking would be fluid, Safari woudnt throw a fit ect ect. but keep all your ios products on 1GB ram for years = mad profits
"the only reason there is only 1GB of ram in Apples products is cost and profit." Everything ultimately has a basis in cost, but I don't think it's as simple as you think- they could've easily chopped cost in many other places where they clearly did not (screen quality, custom SoC, camera improvements). I wonder why it's only cost cutting when it's someone's own pet feature that's missing?
@savage_detective - It will be interesting to see what Apple does with the iPad. If the A8 based iPad gets more memory, then I'd suggest Apple was limiting memory in an effort to conserve power. Since power is far less of an issue on the iPad, if they keep the 1 GB, then I'd take this to mean that Apple doesn't think they need it yet. I don't think this is really about the cost of the 1 GB of memory as much as it is about power cost wasted by adding it. That said, at least conceptually, I'd like to see more memory in terms of future room to grow, etc. since it can't be added later.
Apple cuts cost everywhere. There is a reason why iPhones (including iPhone 6) have the lowest VBOM (bill of materials) among all flagship phones. They are literally cheap phones.
cool, apple value isnt in component cost but in design thats great ... can we now talk about them cutting RAM when they could go for 2GB with no user experience penalty, only a financial one?
Seriously, this meme of 'profits' as the motive for reducing the amount of ram has got to stop. It's so knee-jerk reactionary and completely fails the sniff test. What would it cost Apple to add another 1GB or RAM? Less than a dollar? That would barely make a blip on their yearly balance sheet, yet look at the negative press they garner year after year from it. NOWHERE else in their devices do they scrimp on costs. What makes you so sure you know better than the engineers designing the most successful computing device of all time?
It's my opinion that Apple limits the RAM primarily for standby power consumption reasons. When the device is idle, RAM is THE primary power consumer as it has no ability to sleep and power consumption has not been improved at nearly the rate of other chips which are able to race to sleep faster as their clock speed and bandwidths increase. As a result, doubling the RAM has a significant effect on standby life. As it is, Apple mobile devices seem to have about twice the real-world standby life of their Android counterparts. Would more RAM improve the user experience? Maybe. But I'm not willing to sacrifice the incredible standby life these devices have.
"When the device is idle, RAM is THE primary power consumer as it has no ability to sleep" Then perhaps you should explain why iPhones have had the worst standby time (iPhone 6 Plus improved on that). Too much RAM? Yes Apple is cheap. iPhone 6 (as all of its predecessors) has the lowest BOM of all flagship phones: small RAM, smallish battery, cheap screen (LCD vs more expensive AMOLED)
For a given battery size, nothing comes close to an iPhone for standby life. Most phones that have better battery life have SIGNIFICANTLY larger batteries. You can look at the battery tests done by Anandtech on the S5 to figure this out. The device draws 21.5mA in sleep mode (screen off). This means even with the huge 2800mAh battery it would have less than 5.5 days of pure standby (if it was used for NOTHING else). Given a battery of 1810mAh like the iPhone 6, that kind of draw would mean 3.5 days of pure standby. Even on my more power hungry 5s with a smaller battery I routinely had battery life of ~4hours use and 3+ days of standby. That just wouldn't be possible on the S5 without the oversized battery, and might not be possible on an iPhone with 2GB of RAM.
According to Galaxy S5 specs (http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5-6033.php... its standby time is 390 hours. That's plenty (and way more than what you came up with). I do not have the numbers but I suspect that when in standby the phone uses most energy on wireless connection. Anecdotally we know that in the areas with weak signal the phones lose battery charge very quickly. Also, having a small RAM forces iPhone to swap active applications to and from the NAND memory (save data / reload apps and data when user switches apps). NAND memory operations are more memory expensive. All in all there is no evidence that RAM size plays any significant role in battery life.
Are you sure 2GB of ram would even fit on the POP? I don't know what node the ram is manufactured on, and nobody has really drilled into the die size of the ram vs the die size of the SOC, but for the phone form factor it has to fit on top. It may also drive more connectors on the SOC and it looks like the edges are already pretty full of SDRAM blocks. Personally I would like more than 1GB too, especially on the 6+, even a little bump to 1.5GB would be beneficial in those cases where swapping is happening.
Now what I'm foretelling is that since the A8 for the iPads don't use POP, but have the memory next to the SOC on the mainboard, that they will have more ram. Probably 2GB, maybe more in the Pro. I expect that the A8's for iPads would be made by Samsung still, since production was rumored to be split.
If its not a "pure profit" thing again, why limit the ram? The only rational explanation i've read is about idle power consumption. i have no idea how much an extra gig of ram would affect i, i would think software would hit idle battery life harder than 1GB of ram. But, I certainly dont see the connection you are trying to make between the SOC cost and limiting the ram, two completely different subjects. It feels like a false equivalence on your part. The total cost of developing and creating your own SOCs does not affect the fact that if you put 1GB of ram on your phone for years you save money instead of putting 2.
The real answer is that nobody knows, but from Apple's perspective there are a number of possibilities.
Power is one, not just in standby. Usefulness is another. If tabs don't reload on the 5, 5S, 6 and 6+ (which they don't), then why do they need more RAM? Engineering is another, where would they find the space, what would they have to give up to make space for the RAM.
Cost of course is a factor too, but I suspect the cost of adding extra RAM would more than be outweighed by the negative PR of only having 1. So it's probably due to the reasons above.
Anand and Brian were disappointed last year that the 5S had only 1 gig of RAM - check Episode 25 of the podcast from about 1:23:35 to 1:28:00.
Anand reports a 20-30% increase in memory overhead for 64-bit IOS 7 (for the 5S) versus 32-bit IOS 7 (5 or 5C). He states that memory shortage was not necessarily an issue for the 5, but that he would still have wanted more.
Brian Klug references a "power penalty" from having less RAM - the reason for this is that apps in the background (or Safari tabs) get pushed out of memory and therefore have to be reloaded, which is a power-intensive activity.
Brian also states: "amount of RAM has been the gate preventing good performance on these older devices as [the OS] gets upgraded."
This is one of the major reasons for Apple sticking to 1GB. They want to give you a reason to upgrade. The smartphone market is relatively mature now, especially the high-end segment in the developed World. Therefore manufacturers must drip-feed incremental improvements to consumers, and whack them over the head with OS "upgrades" that do mostly the same thing as in previous years, but with a higher memory footprint. Older devices face getting bogged down, or if not upgraded, they will lose security patches, and run into compatibility issues as apps become targeted at the newer devices and OS versions.
We have always seen this in the PC industry, where older devices would often have remained viable for much longer had it not been for arbitrary restrictions on maximum memory size, achieved by limiting upgrade slots, crippling chipsets and BIOSes, introduction of new memory technologies creating cost increases for older memory tech, restricting the availability of the highest capacity memory modules etc. Microsoft and Intel worked hand in hand, MS coming up with ever more bloated operating systems, which required a new upgrade cycle, Intel just doing enough to keep pace. Pointless user interface tweaking is generally the favourite way of bogging down a last-gen device, but just rev'ing some APIs will also do the trick.
In the PC space, people who did not care to present an image of affluence could get by with second-hand hardware that could be obtained very cheaply. MS at least would patch their operating systems for a decade or more. In the smartphone space, you are lucky to get 18-24 months of (viable) patches, and even then only if you stick with new Apple or Nexus devices, or possibly a few Android flagships (and Motorola?). Yet the cost of a new flagship is $600 or more. The economics of this do not look very good. Maybe this is a place where Windows Phone can compete, but it would help if MS could release phones on the latest hardware - MS/Nokia have always seemed to lag behind on SoC, and there is annoying segmentation around SD cards, mostly missing on their flagships.
To be fair to Apple, what they have done this year has also preserved some value in their older devices, because a bump to 2 GB RAM would have seen app developers increasingly neglect users with lesser amounts of memory - such users presumably spend less on apps anyway.
Obviously the reviewer is fishing for a sweet job contract with Apple like his predecessor and site founder Anand. I am an Apple ecosystem participant (including 6 Plus) but find his glossing over of these new phones' shortcomings ridiculous and misleading. Apple's choice to skimp out once again on RAM for a 3rd new design to pad profit margins has real and substantial negative effects on both performance and user experience with these devices. Safari browsing is a joke with paltry 1GB RAM as is intensive use graphics performance. The decision to go ever lighter and thinner with cheapened aluminum design makes the phone more fragile and less durable as well as limiting battery life. Call it like it is and quit glossing over the shortcomings. I am keeping my 6 Plus because I can't give up the larger screen and am too tied into Apple ecosystem to make a switch but they are trying my patience and wearing out my good will,
I don't think you understand memory usage or limits with iOS if you think 1 GB of RAM affects "intensive use of graphics" performance. Apps don't use anywhere near as much RAM as you seem to think they do.
So please explain the issues with Safari tabs constantly reloading on even the latest iPhones and iPads. Is it the lack of RAM or just crappy OS/browser design? It can only be one or the other.
Applebot claimed the ram had negative effects on performance, specifically graphics performance. No one disagreed that the ram constrained the browser, only that it constrained performance and graphics performance.
Good Lord! After reading this review and the tests and benchmarks of the latest iPhones ...it's HARD to believe the devestation Apple would bring down on each of its 'colleagues!' if Applebot is correct, and somehow half or a third the RAM in the iPhone is destroying its competition like this maybe it's just Apple being 'humble'. They don't want to hurt the Android camp TOO badly by increasing speeds even more;) Sorry kyuu, I'm with the others, Im not having challenges with safari reloading on my 5s or Air. In fact ...I had started a comment this morning, put the iPad up n went to work. Coached baseball, had dinner, came to the office and BOOM! Comment still in the box, no reload or relaunch of anandtech, just half my comment sitting there. Anyway, fired up to receive my 6+. As a Note 3 and 5s owner I can personally vouch for the 'differences' between twice the cores and twice the speed with three times the RAM. My 5s ...on apps with parity destroys the UI and experience of my Note. Hell, not sixty seconds off a cold boot it's using 2.2GB! And that's without sync, background apps (of choice) or a 17 year old kid's phone. I use it solely for business, but no matter what the the task, editing video or playing Asphalt 8, the 5s and its siblings, the Air and rMini are significantly more 'fluid' overall. Just my two cents and the 6/6+ seem faster than my A7 toys (played a while with one at Apple last evening, even put a 75 second 1080p video together and Air Dropped it to myself;). Rendering was FAST, finding my iPhone was immediate and the display is UNBELIEVABLE
As far as the whole phone itself, I'm incredibly surprised how little justice is done to the phone my 'picture' online, in a mag or on video. Totally different when you hold it and I'm pleasantly surprised
I remember listening to the 'RamNuts' a decade ago, five years ago ...and today we've got phones with. Ire RAM than baseline computers three years ago! A web page is BIG of its over 20MB. It's not the RAM that's forcing tabs to reload. It's the system itself ...no one can read 10 different sites at a time. It figures 'hey ...why not save bozo here some juice by releasing a few of these dynamic content filled sites that are eating the RAM, GPU & CPU ...the entire SoC for Lunch! Burp it out Release some pressure. End up with the fastest phone on the market with the best battery life and most extensive Eco system. Anyone that bases their decision on this 'idea' is silly. Developers are in the business to make money. They're NOT building apps that will run slowly on the past three years' iPhones. That's. Cool! Not to mention releasing the OpenGL ES pressure and overhead from the GPU with 'Metal!' Check out what the dudes at Unreal have done with their fourth gen engine...on iOS! Pretty astounding.
This is a nice phone and, despite other comments, the review seems broadly fair.
Lets talk about the design defects:
1. Minimal RAM - this is 2014 not 2008. 2. Lightnng connector - all phones should use the same mini-USB connector. Anything else is just an excuse to rip the customer off. 3. No Micro-SD slot. On a budget phone fine, on a full spec phone again this 2014 not 2008. 4. Safari - maybe others have had better experiences than me but of all the major browsers this is the weakest
Would I replace my Galaxy for iPhone 6, no - or at least not until the Galaxy died, even then I think it is overpriced compared to other phones
I agree, the tone seems fairly neutral despite what many commentators believe. Though, I wouldn't call the list you provided "design defects", they are essential areas in which apple needs to improve. Here are my thoughts:
1) I do find the ram amount especially in Safari to be a limiting factor, 2GB would have yielded a better experience but I don't think it is a total deal breaker for many.
2) The price of the lightning connector is probably the biggest ripoff in iPhone's accessory department. However, I think the mini-usb's non-reversible and hollow plug design is far from being a good standard. My battery-charging case became defective when I accidentally yanked the Mini-usb cable and it broke my case's charging port; $2 cable ruined a $100 charging case. Perhaps, a new easy plug-in and pop-off usb design that's also cheap would be a better standard.
3) I agree, Micro-SD is a must for phones in this price range. Google and Apple are trying to push their cloud storage service at the expense of local expansion. Though cloud is convenient, it is still too expensive. The storage space in iPhone plays too big a factor in apple's pricing, expecting a Micro-SD slot from apple is but a dream. Maybe cheaper iCloud plan with more functionality would remedy this?
4) Safari is a very basic interpretation of a browser. I like the ad-free reader mode and the speed, though it looks dated. Perhaps, more functionality can be added.
Minimal RAM is ok if your OS is efficient enough to not need it. I don't understand how we got so far into this culture of putting spec sheets on a pedestal.
1) Yes, but it still works for iOS. 1.5GB would be a huge upgrade if it fits. 2) Lightning connector is fine. 3) Micro-SD slot will never happen. What *should* happen is that 16GB is eradicated as a storage size. Minimum should be 32GB, maybe 64GB on the 6+. 4) meh
kwrzesien: why will Micro-SD never happen? I understand that Apple, MS and Android all want us to store everything in the cloud but many customers do not like that, partly because it uses up their data plan unnecessarily and for some because they are in areas where 4G coverage is non-existence (I have problems even with 3G coverage) - or more simply their daily commute is underground. Micro SD is an easy way to expand storage - you can get 128Gb MicroSD card
Micro-SD won't happen because it's a mixed bag for user experience. The quality of SD cards is very hit or miss, even when purchased from reputable retailers. The read and write speeds are a tiny fraction of the on-board stuff Apple is using (especially in this generation of phones). What should that space be available for? Is it available for apps? If so, what happens if the card is ejected? For all of these reasons and more even, Google has gone away from sd-card slots on their mobile devices.
1. More ram - sounds nice in theory, but to date, I'm not seeing capabilities on other devices that are prevented on iOS due to lack of RAM. 2. Standards are nice. Mini-USB is the wrong standard. It's not reversible and it doesn't allow as much current for charging. 3. There are security and data corruption issues associated with SD cards on phones. If you really need the extra storage, you can do so by plugging in an SD card with the camera kit connection. 4. From my experience, Safari is the best mobile browser... by far.
Plugging in the camera kit doesn't expand your storage; it allows you to see your pics on your idevice. Unless something has changed and I've not heard about it but the camera kit is not a way to get data off your phone/ipad.
I feel that the audio testing should be done at similar power levels. It's unfair to "punish" the M8 because it can reach power levels no other smartphone can even dream of.
If you compare them that way, the M8 DESTROYS the iPhone 6. From your own charts, the iPhone 6 puts out 44.04mW into 15 Ohms, while the M8 puts out 47.63mW into 32 Ohms: close enough power-wise. That in itself is amazing for the M8 because it can drive higher impedance devices to the same power levels. Now let's compare results: M8 i6 DNR (%) 92.074 84.155 Pwr. (mW) 47.63 44.04 THD+N (%) 0.0152 5.873
My point is this: if you want a smartphone for listening to music using earphones/headphones plugged directly into it, the M8, and even the M7, still can't be beat.
Chart reposted because it looks bad (Anandtech, edit or preview button please?!?): Spec--------M8----------i6 DNR (%)---92.074----84.155 Pwr (mW)--47.63-----44.04 THD+N (%)-0.0152----5.873
First, the idea of "close enough power-wise" isn't correct. Going from 33 ohms to 15 ohms should see a doubling in power. If the iPhone 6 at 33 Ohms is the same power as the M8 at 15 Ohms, the M8 is roughly twice as powerful. Also, amplifiers almost always perform at their best when pushed towards their maximum level before clipping sets in. Because of this the M8 is likely to perform worse if we set the power output to be equal to that of the iPhone 6 than at it's maximum level.
If you're looking at 15 Ohms, the M8 is untouched. The iPhone 6 isn't your best choice because of the obvious clipping in the power amp with maximum loads at 15 Ohm while the M8 is just fine with those same loads. However, very few in-ear monitors are actually 15 Ohms, or driven at maximum volume with 0dBFS signals for an extended period of time. You can make the iPhone 6 clip, but if that will happen in real life is more uncertain. I don't push my headphones past half power typically, so I would never see this occur.
The M8 has more power and less crosstalk, the iPhone has less THD+N and flatter frequency response. Unless you're using a 15 Ohm load, I can't say that one is better than the other. Both are better than the Galaxy S5, that is clear in the testing, but for people with usual 32 Ohm headphones, both are going to work well.
I understand that the M8 is twice as powerful. What I meant is that with the M8 at 47mW and the i6 at 44mW, the power output is close enough that the comparison is more fair.
With regards to the M8 not performing as well at lower power levels, I think it would. In your audio testing of the GS5 and M8 you yourself mentioned that lowering the level would help lower the M8's "high" THD+N at 16 ohm, would that not be the case here?
Either way, your final point is fair, at 32 ohm the difference is negligible, at lower values the M8 is untouched. Which is another interesting point because warlord are rated 23 ohms ;-)
If one is at 15 Ohm and one is at 33 Ohm, you can't do the comparison because one is working much harder at that point. When I say the THD+N will be lower, it means lower relative to the Samsung.
If I were to take the iPhone 6 and reduce the volume level for the 15 Ohm load, we likely would not see the clipping anymore and the THD+N would drastically improve. Both the M8 and iPhone 6 are being pushed to the point of clipping or beyond on this test, but the S5 is being limited so it does not. This is very different than reducing the level with the 33 Ohm load, where power output would decrease and THD+N would almost certainly increase. The only reason that THD+N would improve on the 15 Ohm test is because the M8 and iPhone 6 are at the point of clipping, which comes directly after the point of lowest THD+N with most amplifiers.
I understand now, so if you're not clipping there is no improvement and there may actually be some regression, lowering the power level only helps at the point of clipping. Thanks for the explanation Chris!
Thanks for anandtech's review. This is the most thorough and complete review in the net today with pros and cons. Overall, the iphone 6 is a solid phone as concluded.
I wish they had something smaller. Am I the only person left who doesn't want a larger phone? I spend 10 hours a day in front of a computer. I use my phone to listen to music, to send texts, for a GPS, and to make the occasional call. The larger screen does nothing for me except make it less comfortable in my pocket.
I use my phone like a computer and I was not wanting a bigger screen for the very reason you state. However, as there doesn't seem to be much below 4.3" any more I decided to go hard and get the 6+
While I like the hardware, the elephant in the room is the ergonomics. iOS was designed for single hand use, with commonly used things at the top left corner. While I understand the launch of a phablet for customers ok with two handed operation, I can't see why the *smaller* phone should jump to a form factor that requires both hands? When I put the iPhone6 down and pickup an iPhone4, two things are obvious: 2) it's tiny 2) it's so much easier and more comfortable to use. I can't help feeling that I would get a smaller iPhone6 in a heartbeat if it existed.
Wouldn't it have been more logical for Apple to keep the smaller phone in one-hand land? Or will we see new UI guidelines that move UI elements to the bottom?
The iPhone 5S is the one-hand iPhone you're looking for. See the performance charts? It's almost as fast as the 6/6+, and still faster than the competition, and it is $100 cheaper!
The OP didn't want a larger screen. How can you argue that a 4" screen is low resolution when it has the same DPI as the larger iPhone 6? It is no worse, merely a smaller screen per the OP's requirements for a one handed phone. Heck, the OP was comparing to the 3.5" iPhone 4!
So, rebuttal: 1) Not old, performance is on par with the iPhone 6 and still faster than 'older' competing Android phones 2) Size is still smaller than the iPhone 6, fulfilling the OP's one-handed requirements 3) The 4.7" iPhone 6 lacks OIS, as well, does that make it an old phone? 4) Lack of NFC certainly makes the iPhone 5S less capable, but not uncompetitive with modern phones which are slower!
Man, you just gotta love all the Android obsessed Apple haters. I honestly don't get why people get so fussed about this Apple Vs whatever brand stuff. Let us like what we like and you can like whatever you want. People are so crazy nowadays. They have to go online and bash other people or bash products. Gotta love the internet :D
You have to tell yourself that not everyone commenting is around your age range. I feel like a lot of the haters are about 12-18 years of age. If they're older...well.. I feel bad for them.
I think you nailed it ninja The 'age & ambiguity' question. As well as age, the differences between generations and what 'we‘ had available (I'm 44) when growing up vs the 'gen Y' mid 20s-mid 30s (I think the higher end still appreciates both or the 'big three' for what they are ..not crapping on what 'they're not'). Then weve got the 'kids'. I'd even go so far as to say 12-21/22 year olds. As the 22 year old SAW the impact the Iphone had in 2007, the 'actual' Android fight 'start' in 2008 at 15 & 16. They were graduating and going into college or vocational training when the iPad broke and the Xoom filled (tablet computing). They've seen in their 'formative' years the evolution of HiDPI displays and developed personal opinions about their extremely 'personal' devices (I've got teenagers! Yikes, believe you me when I say their 'personal' devices:)) Baby boomers, X & late Y didn't have cell phones growing up. Drug dealers and executives had pagers and computers were computers. They weren't 'connected' with the Internet (mainstream) and we paid a LOT of money for our Apple or Microsoft software and OS Updates. The incredible sea change Apple and Google have brought to the consumers and the masses regardless of income levels, location in the world and/or from developing countries ...they're penetration is significant. Obviously there are countries with their own restrictions, etc... But maybe they're the 'smart' ones for now...look at what the NSA/Patriot Act has done for the USA and her relationships even with our closest allies! We're still at the infancy of 'mobile' comms/computers and connectivity. These iPhones ARE computers. The G3, Z3, S5 or 5s/6/6+!!! All of them. I think as we age, we remember. It's easier not to take for granted the way technology has empowered our lives, folded the world in half, and the incredible benefits and convenience we enjoy OR despise with 'cellular' phones, phabs n tabs! At times they feel more like a leash than freedom. When you're working and paying a mortgage or two, car payments and student loans (from two decades ago or current kids going into post Ed), groceries and 'energy' (from gasoline to heating gas, cooling electricity or your battery in your fell phone of choice), groceries and your kids' entry fees, new 'cleats' and mitts, pads and summer camps....THEN you'll get it. I'd bet dollars to donuts (such a dumbass saying, very unhip I know;)) As you age, technology will continue to evolve. Much of what we enjoy today is a direct and absolutely traceable line to developments during the 'Cold War'. Whether Russian or American, Chinese (anyone see their Olympics in Beijing? The opening and closing cereminies, etc? Kind of brings a new meaning to 'made in China' than it had when I was younger. IMHO they blew London completely outta the water ymmv as always) Point being there isn't 35+ folks on this board waging this ridiculous Holy War between OEMs or OS's. There ARE paid folks from both sides as again, social media in the last decade (another 'new') has become JUST as important as their thirty and sixty second TV spots, sponsorships or product placement in movies! It's HUGE. & IMHO a VERY important and crucial element in a free internet society to have sites like Anand's ...that he's passed along to Brian and Ryan and the rest of the crew. I've been here for years and have ALWAYS found what I've come for. Objective measurements and subjective reviews. We're all human. If we're reviewing a product its in our nature to 'add' our opinions now and then To me, as a user of OS X and Windows, UNIX, Android and iOS ...I feel like ANYone limiting themselves so blindly to what the 'enemy' is doing is ignorant, young and/or unemployed (if the latter, I feel for you if you're looking...but if you're lurking on forums like these zealots are they're NOT looking for employment. If you're out of work, you can spend 40-50 hours a week 'Looking' and in most developed nations...in other words ANYone that would criticize the other camp and not appreciate what they've already got) At the end of the day, it Samsung making Apple work harder. Cupertino making MtView work harder and ALL of them starting to reap the awards Microsoft seemed to 'leak' off over the past 10-15 years. We're no longer in an X86, workstation at your desk on the 'intranet' to collaborate with a fax machine to send the final product. If you don't remember those days, it's tough to take these complaints seriously as my 5s and from the time I've spent with the 6/6+, my Air and retina mini all have a 'place' in my life. And every ONE of them is faster with quicker connectivity and MORE software available than at ANY point in my life and I'm only, hopefully half way to the finish line. As you age, you'll understand what I'm saying That said ...If you're 44 & @ (mom's) home, in the basement, without a gig, and feeding your spiders backing these DBags arguing 'physical, objective, and factual' measurements of performance in the review....it's YOU that needs to reexamine your life and priorities. Love is family, kids, coaching and watching them grow, through good times and bad. It's the iPhone, the S5 or Note 3 you're carrying that's capturing those memories. Ten years from NOW, there won't be a 'lightning' connector. An iPhone 6+ or Note7/G7 or Z8! USB will be dead and history is indicative of the evolving future, only us 'old folk' will be using Facebook ...but giving it our BEST shot to 'learn' to new and HIP MySpace, Netscape, AOL or today's Twitter and Facebooks Remember kids, it's US, and my parents (your grandparents) that built this shit for you. Not YOU! You're reaping the benefits of the fruits of our labor. If you don't get out from behind the 600 dpi display you're so passionate about ...or get out of the house, learn how to ride a bike like Tony Hawk, snowboard like the 'Tomato' or innovate like Gates, Jobs and that snot nose kid from Stanford....young 'Zuke', you're futures are going to suck Don't be a slave to your tools. Let them work for you, choose what best fits your idea and vision and occupation and you'll find out soon there's a helluva lot more to life than MHz, GB of RAM, and PPI determining what you can and can't see. As your ears fail you so, too, will your eyes and damned if I can't tell the difference between the '6' &6+, the new HTC or my Note 3/5s, Air or mini! All different, ALL a helluva lot better than my green/orange monochrome displays I was 'working' on in the early 90s, how incredible '16 color displays' were and the transition from cathode ray tube 'monitors' to LCD and LED/AMOLED/Plasma displays showed us the difference between our VHS tapes, 480p DVD collection and the BluRay, 1080p displays. Now packaging those pixels into the palm of your hand is absolutely, and genuinely AMAZING. Nothing short of true miracles in engineering My dad graduated in 1972 with his bachelors in electrical engineering. Did it with a slide ruler and drafting kit he's still got today and the same kit myself and two of my three younger brothers took through engineering school with our TI calcs that did it all (early 90s), and my first 286 after my Apple IIe & IIc run. As a baby with the 8086 processor perhaps those of us born in the early to mid 70s and earlier are more 'appreciative' today than the younger generation. We're more patient, we've gained wisdom and most importantly we 'lived' without the Internet, with corded 'dial' phones (when I was a kid we had a party line...and only had to dial FOUR digits locally lol! Small town in northwest Montana). To me, I really HOPE there's youngsters as intrigued by ALL forms of operation systems and is the new 'Edison, Tesla, Carnegie or Jobs/Zuke/Gates' of a future era. Redesigning in his or her 13 year old mind an OS that's a 'learning OS'. Through the millions of lines of code to boot to the desk, half can be elimated as it learns YOUR usage and 'needs' ..that conforms to the individual and their needs ...regardless of how basic or how 'tough'. We run and have for over 20 years an audio and video production business. My wife and I are both experienced, high performance rated pilots and live in Alaska. It's paramount we fly with the business as we're living in an area nearly the physical size of the entire lower 48 with over 3 million lakes (sorry Minnesota, but we do only have just over 10,000 rivers;))---& more coastline that the ENTIRE CONUSA. With a pair of roads. No access without a plane or boat, or big balls and a four wheeler or snow 'machine' (it's Alaskan for snowmobile;)). We've been lucky enough to work with plenty of the largest cable and network broadcasters on documentaries and 'real TV' (not reality). Whether following the Troopers, fishing for crabbing on the ocean, flying into single resident 'zip codes' in the dead of winter with 2400 pounds of heating fuel in the plane with ya, it can be a kick in the ass and iOS has changed our operations in the last half decade for the better. Filing my FP, deciding how much fuel, traffic and weather conditions as well as updated Jep charts, plates and diversions ...it's becime my kneeboard, fifty LB flight bag, manuals and checklists, as well as maintenance and troubleshoot instructions ...ADSB and TCAS, 3D terrain mapping and tradfic following, it's a BIG change. While the Note 3 works GREAT for sketching rigging points with structural engineers, etc. The rMBP has been an absolute Home Run for us as has the new Mac Pro at the studios. We use several HP and Dell workstations as well, both systems are awesome and I think I'm one of the few enjoying Win 8.1 ...bought an HP 2in1 for about $750 and I've got a 13" core i5 slate with an SSD. Way TL/DR; youngsters don't be afraid to open your eyes and think for yourself. Try everything. Use what your need and stay away from the internet when you've made your chouce for a couple of weeks:). Something better is ALWAYS around the corner but each and every choice available today is better than yesterday's. Guaranteed
As objectively as I could I took up Costco on their 14 day return policy and tried the iPhone 6. I owned the first iPhone and had been Android flagship type ever since.
Bottom line: compared to Android the iPhone does less. After 5+ years the interface is STILL the same square blobs that float on the screen. No shortcuts. No app widgets. Install a new app and it is placed in the next open spot with all the other square blobs. I liek how I can use shortcuts for my higher use app but hide others in the application folder with Android.
No notification LED. My new G3 I can color code that notification to know just by sight what type of alert has popped up on my phone. Text, email, Facebook, more. With Apple you get a flash of the camera, if its upside down. What a joke.
Despite Apple "allowing" Swiftkey's new keypad its a paltry joke compared to Android's version. Chrome can also be installed but make no mistake, any links through email or text will open the default browser Safari. iMessage is still the default text client with no alternatives that provide the same functionality.
It's simple. While the Apple faithful will buy their new tech darling phones the boring, long on the tooth Apple interface does less. Android offers far more customization and openness. Back my gold iPhone 6 went to Costco and now I love my new G3. Sigh...maybe another 5 years.
The customization and openness is exactly what turns me off of Android. It's not the only thing, but it's the main thing. I don't want that in a phone. I spend 10 hours a day coding and troubleshooting at work. For a phone, I want something that's already set up for me. Something that I barely need to even look at to use. I don't want to tinker with it.
i can't think of a single use case in which I am hampered by iOS. In my experience, customization is largely a matter of preference, not usefulness. The default user experience of iOS is influenced by a group of scientists, so I'm fine with it.
As someone using both iOS and Android daily: In iOS you can configure your notifications going straight to the lock screen on a per-app basis. So instead of a notification LED just telling you that you got an email you get the screen lighting up showing you the actual sender, subject and (if you want to) the first lines of the email. I like this much better than having my phone tease me with "you've got mail, unlock me to see if you need to read it!". There's a huge difference between a teaser and a notification. A "notification LED" is just a notification for a notification, you have to DO something to see what you're actually notified about. I don't like "notifications" that don't tell me what I need to know to decide if I can ignore them or not.
Android has advantages, no doubt. iOS has advantages too. I agree on the lack of configuration for default apps (browser etc.), iOS really needs this. But then Android (and WP) needs some privacy controls even more.
Still, I will never understand why people must fight over such things. Buy what you like better and enjoy it. Spewing hate and abuse in forums is so incredible childish.
Android hasn't had native lock screen notifications and won't until Android L, and we know how long *that* is going to take to roll out to the majority of the user base. Seems that anyone parroting the "only Apple needs to catch up" whine has some more research to do at the very least.
I don't think well ever get stereo speakers on an iPhone(but I sure hope the next iPad has it) The camera sure is nice. Exposes images far better than my Lumia 920(though the 920 absolutely destroys the iP6 when it comes to audio recording)
The main reason for the GPU (and even some CPU cases) dominance is the low resolution screen. On screen, yes, the iPhone 5S will still produce one of the fastest fps, but it will do so on a surface so small that it makes any serious gaming a masochistic excersise anyway.
I own an iPhone 5s. I play games on it. It seems ok to me.
No question the screen is much smaller, but I was expecting performance wise for the iPhone 5s to get left in the dust by competitor's phones, but it doesn't.
Instead in most of the cpu tests, the iPhone 5s is the third fastest phone behind the two new iPhones.
And even in the GPU and nand tests, the iPhone 5s performs extremely well on the majority of tests and even dominates a few.
I just find that fact amazing.
A year old cellphone and competition hasn't passed it on performance, and based on these tests overall the third most powerful cell phone on the market is the year old iPhone 5s.
For me that's by far the most surprising thing about this review.
Obsession with tweaking an interface just so you can launch substandard applications or wait for them to be ported over from iOS is something I'll never understand.
It takes quite a bit of processing power to run some of the more sophisticated apps though - multi track audio apps, video editing apps, some of the more advanced drawing apps, and of course some of the more advanced games. If all you're doing is staring at the home screen interface, then yes iOS is probably not for you. Some people prefer to run software on their device though and appreciate having one of the best SoC's around to make it possible.
I use an iPhone 6 (disclosure: I've bought every phone I use, none are review samples). Before that I used an iPhone 5, an iPhone 4, an iPhone 3G, and a Treo 650. When I started with the iPhone 3G there wasn't a great other option and I've had no reason to leave. I could tweak an Android phone more, but there isn't something I need my iPhone to do that it doesn't do at this point.
I had heard there is a change to the vibrator for mute with this release. Did you try checking strength of vibration or audibility or the vibrating motor? I also didn't see comparisons of the selfie camera quality. Did you compare quality of the Touch ID or other scanners for speed and accuracy? I found the new iPhone 6 has good low light sensors for stuff like photographing around bright objects like trying to photograph marquee lights, maybe try photographing a sparkler or a store front at night where you want sharp bright edges and still able to see darker objects, got much better night pics this year, such as pics of illuminated Chyrsler building and Times Square ball, so surprised you didn't show as much difference with 5S as my pics last year were much more white blobs of brightness when pointed at bright sources at night last year.
Have you noticed any speed differences in air drop for 5S versus 6/6+? I had heard it may have improved, seems much quicker than regular wifi over a internet connection, would like to see some info on how fast it really is...
We are working on explaining that. Its random read speed, in turn, is horrible, so it is likely just a matter of read/write optimization. I hope to have a more thorough explanation soon.
I'm really surprised you haven't noticed something very off going on in the Basemark X benchmark with iPhone 6 plus, because there's simply no way it could have the same onscreen results as the iPhone 6.
That being said, a great review! Heck, reading thorough phone reviews on here has a certain stress relieving effects in my case
my Sennheiser ocx 685i impedance is 16 ohm does that mean they will sound like *** on max volume? And I thought these are among the most common ones for running etc.
If means if you run them at maximum volume and you have a passage of music that is at 0dBFS (absolute maximum) then they can clip. However, if you look at something like the Galaxy 5S, the iPhone 6 can be a few levels below maximum volume and still have more power output into a 15 Ohm load. Only the HTC M8 so far does more power into a 15 Ohm load.
0dBFS and maximum volume likely don't occur all that often (and for the sake of your hearing, they really shouldn't), but if they do the iPhone 6 will clip. However, the only phone so far that won't clip and produce that kind of power output is the HTC M8, so it's not really a huge negative, it just shows that HTC really built a great headphone amp.
thanks Chris that makes more sense. I only run the usual itunes type music on my IP5 and I doubt ill be running into this clipping issue. Just noticed my IEMs were rated at 16 ohms and wasn't sure what to think especially since I already preordered the 6. Thanks again man. Great article.
Would say it's the first iPhones I have felt tempted to buy. Great camera, battery-life in place, speedy SOC and iOS can for the first time in five years compete with Android. It's truly a complete package. Of course, we should expect one of the most expensive phones to also be one of the best.
God that is an ugly ass phone... Those thick white lines on the back make it look god awful should've kept it to how the 5s did it with a white top and bottom. Did they fire everyone who designed the 5s and replace them with retarded color blind spider monkeys? At least the 5s in gold looked good
"I've always felt like the HTC 8X had one of the most compelling shapes for a phone, and the incredibly thin feel of the iPhone 6 definitely reminds me of that."
Uh, what? The iPhone 6 is not shaped like the 8X. It's just a really thin, flat slab. The 8X has a countered back.
Not sure what's to like about the iPhone 6's design, btw. It's just a really unnecessarily thin piece of slick metal. I don't get it.
To clarify that comment, it's really the thin feel of the edge. The 8X really felt razor-thin at the edge, and the iPhone 6 has a similar feel at the edge.
I see, that makes a little more sense. Thanks for the clarification. Probably should clarify the wording in the article to make it clearer that you're referring to the edge rather than the overall shape of the phone.
You guys completely glossed over the Qualcomm modem. Didn't even put the part number in there (9625). I'm wondering what bands to these iPhone support? Do they all have the exact same chip? Exact same hardware for each service and the only difference between them is which SIM card they are provisioned with? Also, why not go with the even newer and smaller 9635? The 9625 was announced in friggin 2011 and sampled in 2012 with quantity available in 2013. Yeah, the 9635 has more features than they need but it's still newer and smaller, i.e. uses less battery. NEED MORE INFO!!!
Amazing. A phone review with everything except how it performs as a phone. You know, that thing you do when you speak into the device and your voice comes out of another device thousands of miles away.
Yes, you would think call quality would be a high consideration. Maybe it is too subjective, or hard to test. From what I've heard the voice call quality is not that good compared to the competition. For example, it trails behind GS5 in call quality from several comparison reviews I've seen. It appears BlackBerry Passport is the leader in this area now.
720p screen... no qi charging, half working NFC... no removable battery, no micro sd card support, not waterproof... cost $850... reminds me of year 2012...
reviewer must be a time traveler who still lives in 2012 to recommend such a phone at such price tag.
BUT the phone can flex better. Where's Anandtech's review of this feature?
A design mistake. If the issue were with a new Samsung phone, you can believe Apple would be laughing its head off. But it's not. Jobs would NEVER have cleared the design. That's what's been lost.
"For those that are unfamiliar with our test suite the CPU-based tests are mostly browser-based benchmarks. Once again, although I’m not quite happy with the state of benchmarking things we’re getting close to a more platform-agnostic solution."
Can anyone please explain why "browser-based benchmarks" are better than CPU benchmarks and why they are listed under "CPU performance"?
There is plenty of evidence that web-browser benchmark figures varies as much as 88% from browser to browser on the same platform. And this makes it much worse than whatever CPU benchmarks out there -- GeekBench or Antutu for instance. Yet Anandtech keeps using this flawed metric, while complaining that they aren't happy. No kidding, right?
They're still useful for comparing devices that are running the same OS and browser, such as an iPhone 6 vs an iPhone 5s. And probably somewhat useful for comparing what the benchmark is testing - javascript may just be faster on an iPhone 6 than on any other phone at the moment- whether that matters to your use case of course is another matter.
Sure, yes I understand that it makes sense to compare one product/browser line, but there is no reason to list it under "CPU performance," with other smartphones as if they are comparing CPU performances. Anandtech can omit the CPU performance altogether if they feel that there is no benchmark good enough to meet their requirement. It's that simple.
Great review. I read it last night and the display measurement alone was intriguing enough that I went to Apple.com and see if I could reserve one from my local Apple Store. Luckily there was one in Space Grey (my colour of choice) and 128GB (a bit more than I wanted to pay). But with Apple trade in program, I ended up paying much less than I was expecting (hint: less than I would if I were to buy a Nexus 5),
Coming from the iPhone 5 which itself has a pretty good display (I remember reading Chris' write-up on the iP5 display), I'm more than pleased with the iPhone 6 display. The brightness distribution (on all white background) is simply astounding. I'm still playing with the phone but so far I'm quite impressed.
Gotta love the extremists flocking to either love or hate Apple. It may as well be a religious war. Xbox or Playstation, Apple or Android, AMD or Intel. Buy the products that are right for you, and be happy about it. The end.
A lot was made of the glass in the run up to this launch but I see no comment about it in the article.
I am specifically looking to see if it has changed or information on the materials used over the years. When the original iPhone came out it seemed like they kept with the same glass material through 4s. As someone who does not use a protective cover and treats my phone well it is frustrating to see the copious amount of minor scratches that have built up on the glass of my 5s in the past year or so. It has probably a hundred or so minor scratches vs the 5 or so scratches I could see on my 4s when I turned it in after 2 years.
Yeah, but when the display is off and the GPU in deep sleep (like when you don't actively use the phone), RAM still needs to be powered and this can become a major part of standby power draw then. I would like to see standby power usage actually tested though. My old iPhone 4 drains about 10% battery per 24h in standby, which certainly helps with having some battery left when you actually start using it during the day.
Then you haven't done the calculations. If your ram draws even 5mA when idle (probably in the ballpark, but we don't really know - this study from 2010 indicates that the 128MB of mobile ram in the test device used ~1mA, 8x that much certainly uses more https://www.ssrg.nicta.com.au/publications/papers/... then the RAM alone will drain the 1810mAh battery of the iPhone 6 in 15 days. If increasing the RAM to 2GB increases that power consumption just 50% to 7.5mA, you lose 5 days of standby time! If it doubles to 10mA, you lose half your standby life, and now RAM alone will drain the battery in 7.5 days.
RAM power consumption is important because it is powered 100% of the time so even tiny increases in power consumption have a large effect on the overall battery life of the device.
I really liked so much your iPhone6 & 6+ reviews, but I found something interesting in your comment nowhere else found and for which I would like to have a deeper knowledge experience sharing from your side. Basically you said:
"The only flaw that the iPhone 6 has is a lack of RAM, and this is only an issue if you also felt it was an issue on the iPhone 5s."
I find it very interesting because I have being reading plenty of reviews of the new iPhone6/6+ and you are the first ones to mention it. I think that you are right, but I have an iPhone4, so I dont know. Could you be so kind to be more precise about that feeling that you have? It is due lack of RAM for multitasking, or also for single tasks?
By the way guys, if any of all of you have the iPhone5/5S or the iPhone6/6+ already and want to share also your experience regarding the possible lack of RAM (noticeable) in your daily use, please comment. Thanks! ;-)
Which Galaxy did you used? Because I have been reading around that 1GB is not enough and many users complaint about it (doesnt matter if iPhone5/5s/6/6+ or last year iPad's) as for instance the Safary crashes/fully reloads even after more than a couple of tabs in use.
"Could you be so kind to be more precise about that feeling that you have? It is due lack of RAM for multitasking, or also for single tasks?"
It's a lack of RAM for multitasking. At some point the OS will reach its limit and be forced to evict apps and/or cached Safari tabs. The 5S and 6 have a it a bit worse than the 5 due to the fact that the AArch64 processors in the 5S and 6 require additional RAM to be allocated to the OS to operate the 32bit and 64bit user lands simultaniously.
The other interesting thing I noticed about this review and many of the top performing non I phones is that for American consumers, a lot of these phones don't really exist to purchase on the major U.S. carriers.
I visited the t mobile, sprint, Att, and Verizon websites and
The Hauwei honor 6, the Samsung Galaxy s5 broadband lte a, Nokia lumia 930, Nokia lumia 630, and the Xperia z1s don't exist on those websites.
The Samsung Galaxy s5 T-Mobile only exists for T-Mobile.
The HTC one e8 is only on sprint.
So all this means is that the List of phones that Americans can purchase looks vastly different than the top performing non iPhones on the above list.
Most non iPhones that Americans can purchase aren't top performers.
I've read at least 15 reviews of the iPhone 6, including the excellent review at iLounge.com. But this review is the best of them all. Very thorough and scientific. The review, while long, is also well-written and nicely organized.
I take your battery test results with a grain of salt when it comes to actual real world use. I know they are scientific but it just seems they paint the iPhones as having great battery life when in reality it blows.
We have two iPhone 5s in our house, an LG G2, a Nokia Lumia 1520, and a SG4. In practical use the iPhone's cant even get through 3/4 of a day without being drained dry. The SG4 can barely make it to evening. The LG G2 can make an entire day easy but needs to be recharged every day. The Nokia can go 2 days without being charged.
Before getting the iPhone 5s's I read reviews thinking that those things should get better battery life than the SG4, most of that opinion coming from reviews like yours. Little did I know that those thoughts were bogus.
I dont expect much more practical battery life from and iPhone 6 either. This is not isolated to my house either.
It doesn't seem like you're trolling so think about the following factors: I'm assuming different people are using each phone. They probably have different usage habits, different apps syncing, different amount of apps syncing, maybe one person uses the phone more outdoors using higher brightness / GPS / LTE as opposed to wifi.
Without some context your comparisons are useless. I presume the phones are owned by different family members and see different usage patterns. Perhaps some of them are backup or work/non-primary phones. Perhaps the iPhones used more heavily than the others as is often the case (I have family members who own iPhones and have work provided Blackberries - I bet they'd say the iPhone has poor battery life as all but which one are they using all day and which one sits on the counter?)
You could have bad backups you've restored to them that cause drains, or other problem software. My 5s tended to see about 2.5 hours of 'use' per day, and I'd tend to get about 5 usage hours and 2 days between charges. The 6 seems to be giving me closer to 7-8 hours of use, and again, 2 days of standby.
I cannot give you exact usage patterns for all of the phones.
BUT
The iPhone 5s's and the LG G2 are used by my 3 teenagers (two 16, one 14). They all do plenty of facebooking, instagraming, messaging, and tweeting. While non of them have the exact same usage pattern I can safely say that they are all similar. I find it ironic that the two iPhones just happen to be unable to get through a 8 hour period without losing charge. I had to buy both of those phones battery cases for my kids. The LG G2 on the other hand has never had a battery problem.
As for the SG4, that is used by my wife who is a facebook, instagram, and pintrest junky. She can drain a battery on anything in a day. Usually her phone makes it from morning until night but sometimes she kills it before bedtime.
The Nokia is mine and it gets a decent amount of use. During the day not a lot of things going on it while I am at work outside of games when Im in the restroom and during lunch. Once at home it is my primary source of access to anything digital I need. I dont touch a computer once I leave the office.
Since we don't know the actual workload your teenagers are inconclusive. Given literal different Apple to Win Phone app economy systems, the usage model is further blurred. For all we know, your teenagers could be using the iphone more / intensively, but no conclusion can be drawn.
Personally, I think all your family should be spending less time on the phone, but that's me.
No doubt they should be on the phone less and I try my damnedest to get them off.
My wife is the problem and unfortunately that is a battle I wont win. Since I dont wont a divorce I have to make concessions somewhere.
If it were up to me my kids would not even have smartphones. Right the farthest I can go is to take them away when they are making poor grades and/or get in trouble.
I couldn't exactly tell from your comment if you have the 5 or the 5s. If you have the 5, though, check if your phone is part of the battery recall. Mine was, and after the replacement, the difference was night and day.
I have a Note 3 that would last between 10 and 48 hours on a single charge. Yes, android is that annoyingly variable in that regard. The higher numbers tended to occur once I got AutoStarts and Greenify(rooted).
With the iPhone 6+, I'm getting 36+ hours. I haven't done a full rundown outside of the first day, but I was actively trying to kill it to properly calibrate the battery for the first use. It was at 36 hours of use with 14 hours of "Usage" time. No idea how much of that was screen time. With the Note, I never got more than 6-7 hours of screen time.
Note during a day of work: Come home ~30-40%. iPhone 6+ during a day of work: Come home ~70-85%. This includes an hour break of constant screen on time and YouTube/Crunchyroll/Netflix viewing during that hour.
So, no, the battery life on this phone IS awesome.
I got an iPhone 6, and I can attest that the display is very impressive.
One thing that does bother me is the scaled apps that have not been optimized for iPhone 6's larger display. Mainly the fact that it makes the size of the keyboard inconsistent with apps that have been optimized for the larger screen. Of course, this will be fixed in time as developers update their apps.
Yes. We have built a version of SPECint2000 to run on iOS. These are estimated scores because SPEC CPU2000 is retired, which means further scores cannot be submitted as official.
Interesting Apple has been able to consistently deliver a die shrink (whether half-node or full-node) each year and if Samsung delivers like promised I guess can continue that next year with the A9 but I wonder if that will be the end of the year over year improvement...
1. Is there circumstantial evidence to suggest that AnandTech are Apple Stooges?
Yes, absolutely. The founder and owner of the site works for Apple and so does one of their long term “reporters”.
2. Were AnandTech motivated to be Apple Stooges?
Yes, absolutely.
AnandTech are a commercial website, funded by advertising dollars. It is in their interests to drive up traffic and views of their site.
They know that:
a. iPhone users trawl every site that says anything in advance of an iPhone launch to pick up rumours, and after the launch to view “reviews” that help them avoid cognitive dissonance. b. Apple punish negative reviews by withdrawing access to review devices and invitations to events. http://www.cultofmac.com/255618/how-apples-blackli... http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/apple-prs-dirty-li... c. Being punished like this will impact them severely from a commercial perspective. They are therefore commercially incentivised to have positive reviews.
3. What means could they use to be Apple Stooges?
Given we know they are motivated and incentivised to give Apple products good reviews, we can analyse how they do it. This can be in 5 basic ways:
a. Use the Apple provided product, not one they brought off the shelf, meaning Apple can tune that one device for tests; b. Cherry pick tests where the Apple product will do well, and ignore those that they don’t; c. Carefully select the “comparison” devices, ignoring any that make Apple devices look bad; d. Make up tests where they think they need to cover up a hole, but ensure that no one else knows how the test works so they can’t repeat it, and e. Make “mistakes” occasionally and assume no one will notice.
4. Is there evidence to suggest they are using these methods? a. Use the Apple provided product, not one brought from a store randomly.
Yes we know they do this, and they admit it. Also looking at the Display tests there is evidence to suggest that the Apple provided product was tuned. They themselves had to admit their suspicions.
b. Cherry picking tests.
Yes, they do this.
3DMark Ice Storm
“On the synthetic benchmark 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited, the iPhone 6 Plus scored 16,965. While that's well above the category average of 13,401, it fell below its Android competition. The S5 blew past with a score of 18,204, as did the HTC One M8 (20,640), the LG G3 (17,548), the OnePlus One (18,399) and the Note 3 (18,321)”
The Stooges select some of their tests (“Basemark X) but not others – why is that??
c. Carefully select the “comparison” devices, ignoring any that make Apple devices look bad;
Yes, they do this.
For the display, the comparisons for max brightness is missing phones for example the Note III which Tom’s hardware measure at 555 Nits. Why the missing phones?? Surely the Stooges have tested these.
One of the missing phones is the Note IV which displaymate tested and rated as the best Smartphone display – and their testing includes both iBends.
“The Best Performing Smartphone or Phablet Display that we have ever tested.”
d. Make up tests where they think they need to cover up a hole, but ensure that no one else knows how the test works so they can’t repeat it
Yes, they do this.
For battery Life their test is simply wacko – the only site that has the iBends winning battery life tests and probably due to the rigged nature of the “web browsing” test.
Your Android phones area garbage. They're fake iPhones. Apple invented the modern smartphone, and all the innovations like Retina displays. Android keeps trying to copy Apple, but they're never as good or as fast.
Why get a fake iPhone when you can get a real iPhone instead?
Fake iPhones are terrible. Get a real iPhone instead.
Hello Dingodingaling. Are you certain that this practice of Apple is still existing even today, as we speak?
""Apple PR's dirty little secret:
Summary: Apple PR maintains a blacklist of journalists that it refuses to talk to. This includes any media outlet that posts anything even remotely negative or heaven help you, a rumor.
Apple's public relations department is notoriously tight-lipped and only responds to a limited subset of the mainstream media, and usually only the outlets that write positive things about its products.
If you dare to write an unflattering piece about Apple or -- heaven forbid -- post a rumor you're almost guaranteed to lose your access to Apple. I know this firsthand because I'm the poster child of Apple's PR blacklist. (I was part of a precedent-setting legal case with Apple in 2005, which I won on appeal in 2007 -- thanks to the Electronic Frontier Foundation.)
Say what you will about my work, but I call 'em like I see 'em.
I write good things about Apple, I write bad things about Apple and I also publish rumors when I believe that they're credible or plausible. I write about things that I find interesting and about topics that will benefit my readers. Sometimes Apple likes what I write other times it doesn't. Apple and I have classic love/hate relationship.
But one thing's for sure, I'm not an Apple cheerleader. If like reading puff pieces about Apple there are a number of websites and blogs that will gladly oblige. Or heck, just dial up apple.com/pr.
Case in point: On February 7 when Arun Thampi posted on his blog that Path was sneakily uploading iPhone user's address books to its server -- without permission -- I called and emailed Apple. Apple didn't reply. Then and I blogged about it.
On February 8 when Dustin Curtis blogged that Apple makes a standard practice of approving apps that upload the entire contents of your iOS address book to developer’s servers I again called and emailed Apple. Apple didn't reply. Then I blogged about it.
Later. Rinse. Repeat.
Then I got an idea. Since Apple PR never responds to my voicemails or emails, maybe they'd respond to the guys that do have access. So I contacted several prominent Apple pundits (who shall remain nameless) that are known for their access to Apple (some of whom get replies from Apple "every time") and I asked them to enquire about Apple's stance on enforcing its policy on address book uploads.
And you know what? None of them would do it.
(Update: ironically there's a couple of exclusive stories out today about Mac OS 10.8/Mountain Lion which certain members of the Mac Illuminati had access to a week early.)
Why? They'd probably say that Apple wouldn't comment. But someone's got to ask if they expect Apple to reply. I mean come on! Apple's not going to press release its shady developers that steal your contacts.
The fact of the matter is that most journos with access to Apple are afraid of losing it. They're afraid of asking the tough questions. They're afraid of getting blacklisted. Like me.
So then I contacted the Wall Street Journal.
There's a prominent columnist at WSJ that has lots of access to Apple. Arguably the most access to Apple. Apple loves the Journal. Apple sends controlled leaks to the Journal. Apple gives unreleased product to the Journal. Surely, Apple would have to respond to the Journal. Right?
Well guess what? Apple spokesman Tom Neumayr replied to AllThings today about the issue of developers stealing your contacts without permission. (More on that later)
Gee? I wonder why?
I'll tell you: AllThingsD is a wholly owned subsidiary of Dow Jones & Company Inc., which is a member of The Wall Street Journal’s Digital Network (which includes WSJ.com, MarketWatch, Barron's, and SmartMoney).
It's simple really. Apple needs the Journal. The Journal doesn't need Apple. And the Journal's not afraid of getting on Apple's PR blacklist -- because it would never happen.
Other wags with access, but without the clout of the Journal are probably afraid of getting blacklisted if they probe around too much -- or ask the tough questions.
My point is that if Apple PR actually read blogs and responded to queries from bloggers things like Address-gate might not explode into giant issues that end up in the Wall Street Journal. Apple could have nipped it in the bud a week sooner by simply replying to my email or voicemail with something to the effect of "yes, we're aware of the issue and we're looking into it."
Instead, Apple makes a conscious point of ignoring certain journalists hoping that unsavory issues like Address-gate blow over and that no one will notice. Well guess what, I'm persistent. And if Apple doesn't reply, I'll contact the people that I know at the Journal -- or my Congressman.
And before you cry "sour grapes!" consider this. I've been blacklisted by Apple for over 10 years. I never get invited, I never get replies. I'm long over it. This doesn't have anything to do with me. It's about you and your privacy. I called and emailed Apple PR because I care about my (and your) private contacts and I wanted to know why Apple isn't enforcing its own privacy policies.
If you don't care about developers stealing your contacts, that's fine. But I do.""
Because if so, with the iBend issue, how can now then we be assured that each and every-time Apple will say a thing about the issue, will always be true, and not fabricated?
This is indeed, an eye-opener to all the Serious tech-readers out-there…, …Of-course, this does-not include the Fanboys.
If both new iPhone editions are virtually the same phone, why doesn't the 6 also have landscape view. Both these devices should have an iPad GUI. Landscape view is the most ergonomic position. Having to switch grips from portrait to landscape increases the chance for accidental drops. Landscape also decreases the likelihood for cumulative trauma which include carpal tunnel and digititis. In short, it's just easier to navigate your phone seamlessly by keeping it in your preferred orientation. Lastly, it's sad that I'm waiting for a jailbreak. My plan is not to jailbreak. But if Apple developers can't be aware to what the mass looks for in functionality, jailbreaking may be the only answer. If you would reference Infinidock, this app allows for multiple icons to be docked. Not just four icons. Making these small additions to the user interface would vastly improve the users experience. If developers aren't willing to make such adjustments, then I suggest allowing open code for Cydia jailbreak developers that will allow for users to freely mod our devices.
Believe it or not, the ability to freely mod our phones to the users preference is what separates the iPhone and Android users. Hence the jailbreak... Don't patronize your loyal consumers by making such availability this coming S model.
Anand team: Please consider adding ruggedness tests for mobile devices. Desktops spend their lives in sheltered environments, with a few heatwaves and power cuts and surges. Laptops are occasionally dropped. But tablets and smartphones are constantly being dropped, put in linty pockets, exposed to rain and coffee, bent, scratched, and connected to low-quality chargers. If you a ea SEAL, you need a different order of ruggedness, like the Toughbook. But normal consumer use is still quite deamnding.
I have three main complains here. The is the screen resolution. We all know 326 ppi is far, far from enough. I have always been able to see aliasing on iPhone screens (never on my Nexus 5) and aside form that, the image is just not that clear and sharp as on a good 1080p screen. Maybe the 6+ will offer great viewing experience. The second complain is size. Yes, I think that Apple is making the right move with bigger screen size. Better late than never. The 4.7" are not the ideal size for me, but this is a major improvement. But wtf were Apple thinking, when they made a 4.7" phone, with the dimensions of a 5 or a 5.2"phone? Why? Apple customers value compactness. Just compare it with an old 4.7" phone like the Optimus G - 131.9mm vs 138.1mm . And last, but not least - 1gb of ram. Are Apple so greedy? This is typical planned obsolescence. I still can't believe it. 64 bit SoC and a gig of ram...
The lack of OIS or wireless charging is also not good.
"We all know 326 ppi is far, far from enough" - Stopped reading there. It's enough for the vast majority of people, and is certainly a better idea than making a 500 ppi phone that lags.
Well, that's your problem. You should read someone's comment, before you reply.
I agree with you. I also hate phones that lag, stutter or miss frames in the UI. That is the reason I do not like Samsung and their Touch Wiz. But that's not the case with my Nexus 5. It's totally stock, but believe me, it's blazing fast and smooth. And it still manages to have a gorgeous 455 ppi screen.
Anyway, there is no such thing as a perfect phone, but Apple could have offered much more, having in mind that it's a flagship expensive device.
1) Your eyesight is superior, most aren't nearly as good as yours. 2) The Optimus G is 8.45mm thick vs the 6.9mm of the iPhone 6 3) You talk about typical planned obsolescence, yet in the same breath rave about the Nexus 5. The Galaxy Nexus from 2011 won't see either the 2013 KitKat nor the 2014 Android L, whilst the 2011 iPhone 4S saw both the 2013 iOS 7 and the 2014 iOS 8. I would expect a 2014 iPhone 6 to see at least iOS 11, and still be usable! What do you think your 2013 Nexus 5 will see? 4) OIS isn't that important, especially when it already has one of the best cameras in the industry 5) This phone already sold out. Costing less is probably the last thing it needs. Ordered on Sept 20th and expect to see my phone in October 20th.
The fact that my eyesight is or isn't superior does not change the facts. Ignoring or denying something, without any arguments is not productive. You say that OIS is not important and that's it. Why? I can tell you, I'm never going to buy a phone without OIS again. It's much easier for me to catch perfectly focused shots and shoot steady videos.
Anyway, everyone has their own view on things. I think Apple are capable of making a better phone - with thin bezels, full HD screen, more than 1 gig of ram, bigger battery... but they chose not to. I'm not some fanboy that will blindly ignore faults. The iPhone 4 was my last iPhone. I'll continue to wait for something from Apple that's worth the money.
"With Cyclone Apple hit on a very solid design: use a wide, high-IPC design with great latency in order to reach high performance levels at low clock speeds. By keeping the CPU wide and the clock speed low, Apple was able to hit their performance goals without having to push the envelope on power consumption, as lower clock speeds help keep CPU power use in check. It’s all very Intel Core-like, all things considered."
The G4 and G5 processors were wide when Intel was doing its lame NetBurst thing. The "wide and shallow" G4 in particular had low clock speeds. The "wide and deep" G5 bumped them up a bit. The "narrow and deep" NetBurst was the high clock speed awful performance per watt Intel brainchild.
"Fortunately, based on the USB device information for the phones, both the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus support charging with power adapters like the iPad charging block that can provide up to 2.1 amps at five volts. Using one of these chargers will dramatically reduce charge time on the new iPhones, and it's a very worthwhile investment (assuming you don't already have an iPad) for the iPhone 6 Plus in particular."
If this was any other phone manufacturer they would have been lambasted for taking the cheaper route and not providing a charger which charges the battery in the most optimal time. However, with this being Apple and all, it's perfectly acceptable to ship a 1A charger and it's a "worthwhile investment" for the user to buy another charger (if they don't already have one) with a higher current to charge their phone faster.
Simply not acceptable. As much as I love this site, this review is no more than the typical Apple fodder which is trotted out all over the web. The fact that one German publication was recently struck off the media list by Apple for posting a bending video of the 6 Plus vs Note 3 shows what happens when the media dare say something negative and it's quite clear they would rather stay on Apple's good side than be truly honest in their reviews.
There was no mention in this review about half the hardware choices made here. The screen ppi was very lightly glossed over. No mention of the lack of stereo speakers or waterproofing to name but a few. Someone suggested that waterproofing adds a lot of bulk to the phone. On the S5 I would agree, however the Xperia Z3 is only 0.4mm thicker than the iPhone 6 so it can be done whilst still looking stylish.
Apple produced marketing photos where they photo shopped out the camera bump. Yet here it is described as an "interesting design choice". No mention of it wobbling all over the place when placed on a flat surface. Let's look at PDAF. Given virtually no time on the S5 review but a full explanation given here. The S5 review was also 10 pages long written by 2 people, this is 14 pages written by 4 people.
Sometimes you can't move on the home page on this site for articles about Apple, yet there has been nothing so far, not even a pipeline story about the disastrous bugs coming out of iOS 8.
Add to this the badly managed silent departures of Anand and Brian to Apple, I don't think there's much point reading Apple reviews any more.
1) Everyone charges overnight, no difference to user experience.
2) No proof that german media site was struck off some magical list.
3) ppi does not equal quality. (Unless you believe more MP is better, then please just go buy a lumia)
4) no phone is water proof, it's a range of water resistance.
5) no proof that apple photoshopped their own marketing material to change the camera design
6) no one uses their phone with the back flat on the table
7) every OS has bugs, the issue is that apple actually gives out upgrades (que the majority of android users still stuck with a massively susceptible default browser). You won't hear about android L issues because it will take 2+ years to be on 20% of android phones.
8) employees change jobs. everyone knows about it, do you want a NYTs editorial about it?
I can't decide which is worse. The answers in post, or the arrogance.
1. Not true. People's lives are all different. To suggest everyone's phone can last until they go to bed is a massive generalisation. The supplied charger should charge the phone in the most optimal time, regardless when the phone is charged.
3. Why are you talking about two different things? ppi is clearly directly related to quality. You could have the best panel money could buy but if the ppi was 96 on a 5" screen it would look terrible. It is now widely accepted, and even mentioned in this review that ~450 ppi is a perfect balance between resolution and battery life. MP has no relevance in this discussion.
4. There are many IP67 phones which are immersion proof up to 1M for 30 minutes. There are now IP68 phones which are immersion proof beyond 1M for 30 minutes. If they phone can be dunked under water, that's water proof.
7. KitKat and Jelly Bean account for over 75% of Android devices. (Google it if you want the source). Yes, budget phones are often left behind in software, but that's because they are budget phones. People sign up for that experience when they pay a fraction of the cost of an iPhone or Android flagship.
8. Anand moving to Apple should have broke on this site, not every other tech site. Anand has gone on for years about openness and honesty. Where was it then? Brian disappeared completely and despite multiple requests, nobody would say where he had gone. That news was also broken by other tech sites. It was like AT had something to hide. Nobody would have really cared if they had gone to Apple, so why do it in the shadows.
3) false, if samsung released a 5000 ppi phone that was slow as hell (like the note 4 is http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/10/04/samsung-... ) how is that high quality? iPhone 6 was proven to have the best color which is more important than pixels you can't see.
4) yep, you can get a case for this if this is your thing. there is more choice with apple here since there are 1000x as many cases to suit your need. (with android you are locked in to what the device maker makes since there aren't that many niche cases)
5) thanks for the proof. no photoshop just choice of angles. go look at the apple website for many angles of the bulge if that is your thing.
6) in this case yes, it's not ergonomic to use the phone that way. it's why droid makers gave up on the kickstand
7) that number is for those that use google play (which accounts for <8% of all android phones, lol)
8) name another news site that had a going away article by one of the employees. especially one going to work for a company that requires employees to not bring attention to themselves (think non-compete)
"In battery life, once again Apple has managed to successfully maintain good battery life despite a relatively small battery capacity". Seriously? Since when iPhone has a good battery life. You can never go through the day with one. Everyone knows that. Sorry guys but ain't buying that. If this is good, then what does that make Xperia Z3? Good of Thunder in battery? :)
Just because some people question the integrity of a website claiming to do objective measurements of a device's performance, doesn't mean that they are idiots. Quite the opposite in fact. It would be great if Anand changed the way they do their battery measurements (they do not reflect reality, and aren't comparable to other sites' results (should already be enough for them to question the way they do it)), and also dropped the browser benchmarks from the CPU performance section (browser performance != cpu performance, unless both phones are running the exact same version of the browser on the same platform (we know that chrome on iOS isn't the same as Chrome on android etc.)). And measuring the display brightness when setting the brightness manually also isn't ideal, as Samsung limits the peak brightness on their devices for those occasions, which means that the true peak is a lot higher (setting the brightness to automatic solves this issue(think quite a few people prefer auto to manual)).
Forgot to add that it would be great if they included a reference for the photo and video comparisons (D800 + color correction). There's also a big discrepancy between the time the photos were taken (around 8pm for all androids and 10pm for the iPhones (why is that?)).
Automatic brightness and normal usage would be best (playing a game for 2h - calling someone for 1h - browsing the web for 1h - installing 30apps, etc.). Being on both wifi and lte throughout the day.
And the Exynos 5433 would like to disagree - currently on the launch firmware and already outscoring everything else (Geekbench scores over 1300/4300 and gfxbenchmark/sunspider numbers that match those of the iPhone 6). The 3DMark numbers are also higher than those of the iPhone 6.
Why are you still running browser benchmarks when testing the CPU? You'd think that a site like Anandtech would know better (the difference between Samsung's own browser and Chrome is huge http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=557... How about running something like 3D Mark's physics benchmark instead? Basemark is a lot better than browser-based ones, but do we know if the benchmark performs equally on both platforms.
People commonly use the web browser on the device to browse the internet with their phone. Their other tests cover the 3D physics (which the iphone doesn't excel at, since most if the users of this phone aren't simulating physics problems).
iPhone 6 is destroying the competition at the moment, samsung just dropped 10% in profits, they have to go back to making RAM, this might be their last high end phone release on android, they need to move to tizen.
The browser benchmarks would make more sense if they used the stock browser on all the devices, not just on the iPhone to make it look good. The Note 4 for instance is scoring around 350ms with its own browser, while on Chrome it is only seeing 800ms. The results should also be in a separate "Web-browsing performance" section instead of the CPU performance one.
"At this point, it’s not really possible to revolutionize the smartphone..."
Stopped when I got here. I don't usually cuss but you have got to be shtting me for making such a statement. In your effort to try to write a unbiased review you are already stating that for whatever the reasons the phone may lack it is because nothing can be improve so it's a great phone. I officially hate all your Apple reviews now. This is sickening for any professional engineer to digest.
@TheOne: Engineers are constantly tweaking and refining the software and hardware for a better UX and that refinement is great but the bottom line is the modern smartphone as we know it have not had any revolutionary advancements in years. It's a mature product category, plain and simple.
"and how Apple’s SoC development is now synchronized with the very edge of semiconductor fabrication technology." You are not kidding right! :-) Comparing Intel's 14nm chips, I still believe Mobile phone SoCs are not coping up with the latest tech. m2c. Samsung (with Exynos) atleast jumped a bit...comparing QC SD or Apple Ax series.
Actually, Intel is not in making chips, 14nm or 20nm, for cell phones at large! Such a big company with capacity to supply designer boards to any manufacturer in the handheld 3inch or 12 inch device - and still staying away!
Compare these - Apple, etc. and All Pharma! 2-5% on actual R&D by pharmaceutical companies, (esp., the ones pricing cancer and Hepatitis C drugs) and about 95 % on marketing (read bribing the Medical industry - that includes "respectable life-saving Doctors") - vs 20-50% profit by tech companies (Apple, Samsung, Lenovo, HP, etc.) on products made from R&D from this decade! Without the slave labor of China and such countries, even that profit is not possible! Today's pyramids and Taj Mahals!
Drugs: Most of these drugs were "discovered" decades ago in govt. research facilities - somehow, they are private intellectual properties today! Even anti-helminths (drugs for cattle parasites) costing ~$1-10 for 1000 pills, suddenly cost up to thousands of dollars each pill, because their anti-cancer capacities were "discovered" as side-effects! Even aspirin, made in third world countries and sold here, costs about ten times from a decade or so ago, due to price fixing!
Your life or $200,000 - pay-up or die, if you have cancer or Hepatitis C.
The target is larger with cellphones and computers - hence the bigger market value of the companies!
Even within the tech industry, the profit of $200-300 for each device is paid once every three years or so - the cost of gasoline for a car is more than that in 2-3 months! The actual leaches that cost the consumer are the cell and cable/satellite companies - thousands of dollars a family in a two year contract! USA still charges the highest fee for cell plans, voice, text and data - taking a bite at each end of the link, i.e., the caller and the recipient!
And, we whine more about the cost of these hand-held toys - that is the purpose and use of most of these "smart" devices! Truly important communication via voice, or the equivalent of the Morse code or ham-radio, is so small - not worth taking care of while driving a 4000+lb missile at 55 to 80 mph!
Both Apple and Samsung will take a dive in the next 12 months
A millionaire on CNBC talked about not being eligible for a phone upgrade for another year - and therefore not having hands-on experience with the recently released phones, Apple, HTC, etc.! That is how you stay rich!
The post seems irrelevant! No! The basic premise of most of the posts here are about MONEY!
There can not be "ideal 6500k" if the other LCD in this all bad also phonearena.com/reviews/Screen-comparison-iPhone-6-vs-Galaxy-S5-vs-G3-vs-One-M8-vs-iPhone-5s_id3810 this is "ideal 6500k"?
Yeah I'm just gonna say it: Apple is the Bose of mobile electronics, only those who don't know any better buy that junk. Hey it's your money feel free to waste as much as you like.
Yes, it's my money and I have a lot of them to buy as much as iPhone as I like. If you don't satisfy Apple product, you may not but $2000 handbag also. Pity you to yell Apple "The world is not fair!" LOL
People with intelligence don't buy purely on specs, which it seems 100% of Android owners do. I can just picture you like the many Android fanboys I have met....."Deeeerp, it has foure cores witch iz twice as mony as en iPhone so itz twice as fast, Deeeerrp".
Enjoy your clunky, resource-hog, half-baked Google OS, your extremely inefficient hot-and-crispy quad-core space heater SOC (which has to be throttled by Android so the phone doesn't melt LULZ) and premium plastic-wrapped junk.
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bobobobo - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
solid phone, solid improvement.AppleCrappleHater2 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Worship the holy apple.The apple way, selling over expensive crap to stupid consumers that like to
get robbed.
This has been a disastrous launch in every respect. The iwatch is such an
ugly piece of crap, it is truly unbelievable how a company, formerly known for
its remarkable design, dares to put out such a crap ton of shit. Some
characteristics are glaringly obvious and inherent to it: over expensive,
hardly innovative, limited functionality and usability (need of an iPhone to
make it work), looks exactly like a toy watch and so on.
There are of course way better smart watches out there, especially from the
likes of Samsung, Sony, Motorola, Asus, LG, simply put, there is no need for
another piece of over expensive junk.
The iPhone 6 is technologically stuck in pre-2011 times, a base model with
a capacity of 16GB without the possibility to use SD cards isn't even funny
anymore. The screen resolution is horrendous, it isn't water proof, shock and
dust resistant, it offers nothing innovative, just some incremental
updates over its predecessor, both lacking severely behind their competitors at
their respective launch dates.
Now the Iphone 6 Plus offers a „Retina HD“ screen, full 1920x1080p, oh wow,
where have you been for the past 4 years apple, talk about trailing behind.
That’s pathetic. The interesting thing about that is the fact that apple
always manages to sell backwards oriented, outdated crap to its user base, all
while pretending to be an innovative technology leader. The similarities
regarding any form of sectarian cult are striking.
You gotta love how Apple always comes up with new marketing bullshit terms,
aka "Retina HD", with the intention to manipulate its users while preventing easy
comparisons with its competitors by withholding the actual specs. Apparently it’s
not enough to have a 1080p screen, you have to call it "Retina HD" to make those
suckers buy it, otherwise someone could look at the 4K Amoled and Oled screens
form LG and Samsung devices and get outright disappointed. Same goes for
everything else. Every outdated „feature“ needs to get its own marketing label
to persuade buyers with crappy „experience“ and „usability“ ads, while covering
the truth with marketing gibberish, knowing full well that only a fraction of
aforementioned buyers cares to look at the facts and dares to compare them.
Car engines come to mind. For comparisons shake let’s look at a 1.0 liter, turbo
charged petrol engine and a V8 compressor. What’s better should be obvious, but
by calling the former an „ecobooster“, thus giving it a special marketing label,
this joke becomes a „feature“, something positive that can be added tot the list
of features of a car.
By doing so a negative aspect is transformed into a positive one, the
reality is distorted, non tech savvy buyers are manipulated and comparisons are
made more difficult (another layer of marketing bullshit to overcome), well done
marketing department. You see , if something is seriously lacking (of course for
profit, what else), don’t bother explaining, just give it a nice marketing term, distort
reality, make it a feature and call it a day. Fuck that!!
FACT: Apple has been forced to copy Android in style and size for
years because people abandoned their tired, moribund and fossilized
devices for superior and innovative Android devices.
Steve Jobs said no one should want a 7" tablet until everyone went and bought
Android devices forcing Apple to copycat with the iPad Mini. Apple
didn't think anyone wanted a phone screen larger than a business card
until they all bought Androids thus forcing the arrival this week of the
iPhone Galaxy and iPhone Galaxy Note clone phones.
Swipe down notifications that don't interfere? Copied from Android and WebOS. Siri?
Bought and ruined from a private developer; Google Now crushes it.
3rd-party keyboards? Welcome to 2010, iChumps! Widgets? Welcome to 2009
except you can't place them on your home screen. Live wallpapers and
hidden icons? Maybe Apple will get around to copying those in iOS X in
2016. Who knows.
Apple lacks creativity and honest people acknowledge it. Steve Jobs gets credited as an
innovator when all he was, was a huckster who'd spot someone else's tech, polish it up nicely,
then slap a gnawed fruit logo on the back, charge a premium price and
wait for the rubes like Jim Smith to hand over their cash like the good
iSheep they are.
But after that initial iteration, Apple is incapable of actually innovating something new.
They literally cannot make a product until someone else shows them how and they copy it.
They are also unable refine things because they believe to improve is to
admit something was imperfect the first time. (This is why QuickTime 4
had a legendarily terrible UI that was never changed through QT7 a
decade later.) All they can do is make things incrementally thinner or
faster but it's just minor refinements since they can't invest their way
out of a wet paper bag.
For all their squealing about Retina displays, they never even had a HD display until now;
8th time is the charm, though you need the iPhone Galaxy Note to get the 1080p that many Android
users have had for at least a year and is now considered
bare-minimum spec. At the rate Apple drags along, QHD screens should
arrive in 2018. Maybe. A graphic went around after the reveal comparing
the iPhone Galaxy to the Nexus 4 from 2012. Exactly.
The Apple Iphone 1 and Ipad 1 might have been innovative at their time,
but since then, the bitten apple has been continuously rotting from the inside
outwards, always swarmed by millions of Iworms which regale themselves with its
rotten flesh, not forgetting all other Americans who support apple by means of
their tax dollars to finance its bought US Treasury/Government bond interest rates.
Last but not least, every Apple product includes a direct hotlink to the NSA,
free of charge, something that might make it a good value, after all.
Ceterum censeo Applem esse delendam.
esterhasz - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Since we're quoting Cato today, here's a good one: "grasp the subject, the words will follow".uhuznaa - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
You seem to be a tiny bit obsessed.iphone6splus - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Yet, he didn't comment on Touch ID.kevin_newell - Thursday, October 9, 2014 - link
Apple is lagging far behind it's competitors both in user satisfaction (source: http://www.consumertop.com/best-phone-guide/) and innovation. I mean, who was first with large screens and phone cameras that work well in low light? It sure wasn't Apple.Caliko - Tuesday, October 6, 2015 - link
A large iPhone is NOT innovation.Sorry iPhoney fan.
lowtolerance - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I can recommend some good therapists. You need one.melgross - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
You sir, are a complete idiot!Gondalf - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
To be fair, a >$600 phone deserves a good LCD.....at least good as competitors, more ram and a little SD expansion slot. Plain and simple. This is not a matter of "idiocy"Samus - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Too many people define "good LCD" as having high resolution. In the real world, that just isn't true. There are so many terrible 1920x1080 panels on the market, and I'm not just talking mobile devices.Look at desktop LCD's. To get one properly calibrated you need to spend $500+ for a 24" HP Dreamcolor or NEC Multisync PA Spectraview. Some Dell's with Samsung LCD's are pretty good out of the box but almost nothing is 100% RGB until expensive calibration.
So back to Apple. They're all about balance. They don't push the envelope in any direction like Samsung (and others.) What bothers me lately about Apple is they are "too" safe with their design language and technology that their products are actually becoming boring. As the company that pioneered mainstream unibody mobile devices and multitouch\gesture driven interfaces, it's interesting the competition has essentially been perfecting it for them to just copy back.
At least Apple isn't suing everybody anymore...seems like Steve's thermonuclear crusade is finally dying along with him.
Omega215D - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I do have a problem with people constantly trying to push AMOLED as the ultimate display tech due it being featured on DisplayMate with the Galaxy S5. People forget that you lose the efficiency of OLED once you start using something that displays a lot of white like web browsing. Also, turning down the brightness still has the tendency to give it a "soggy" look to it, though it is much less on the Galaxy S5.The burn in effect can be easily avoided unless the clock/ dock locks up for whatever reason and leaves the display static.
darkich - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
The burn in can be easily prevented also.Download an utterly simple burn in tool app, and leave it working for couple of hours, every few weeks or so.
nevertell - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
This is exactly the kind of thing that people DO NOT WANT TO DO.It's a phone, it must just work, I shouldn't worry about any specific technical part of the phone, let alone do maintenance work on it to keep it functional.
elajt_1 - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
Nah, thats for bad image retention. If you already got a burn-in you can't do anything about that as of now.Toss3 - Wednesday, October 8, 2014 - link
In my experience AMOLED displays look a lot better than their LCD counterparts with the brightness turned down. They also give you the option of having even lower screen brightness which is ideal if you want to use it in bed at night (night mode on android looks great on the S4, but not so much on my Nexus 5).hoelee - Thursday, December 4, 2014 - link
IPhone white balance not accurate, how you proven your point said iPhone had good display? At least I saw on mine eye compare between mine z3 with the so call iPhone... Besides, you calculate by yourself, iPhone 6 latest phone less 1x pixels to push compare to android FHD screen. Benchmark alway unfair in mine point of view...braveit - Friday, December 12, 2014 - link
Apple hasn't really done much on it's new iPhone 6 release. Source: http://berichinfo.com/reasons-iphone-6-sucks/Caliko - Tuesday, October 6, 2015 - link
Who else is innovating in design?All phones today are iKnockoffs.
Steve's thermonuclear attack has juat started buddy!! Droid is making manufacture lose billions. Can't wait to see who goes bankrupt first!!
akdj - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
The 'little SD expansion slot' that reads and writes at about 6-8Mb/second vs, the onboard NAND speed tested within the review should be enough to tell you why samsung and ....hmmm ....are offering the micro SD slot. Android is moving 'away' from accessibility to and from the 'off board' storage. I've got a Note 3 and with each update I've been able to do less and lessApparently you didn't bother to read the review ...at all. You also mention 'good LCD ...at least as good as the competitors.'
Then you quite DisplayMate. The S5. And the single point difference between it and it's LCD runner up. From Apple. If you'd have bothered to have read this review ...or the S5 review on Anand's site when it dropped you'd know A) how impressed the author was with the evolution of AMOLED, it's continued refinement and accuracy, brightness and viewing angles. B) you'd notice in EVERY possible measurement. Each one in the review are 'objective measurements'. It (6) tops the display's characteristics in each area someone that knows what a 'great display' entails. At 400+ PPI, you nor any of your freneds will distinguish the difference between it and the new Note 4 or any other 2540 display. It's silly, it's a waste of energy and its detrimental to fluency of the UI (with today's SoC GPU and that many pixels) and the ever important 'battery life'
To be fair, NO OTHER vendor offers 128GB, & 64 is extremely rare. I waited six weeks for a Note 3 w/64GB to show up at AT&T. Never happened and I settled for 32. At the same price as the 64GB iPhone 6.
And from what I've read the 2014 model will have the same. 32GB with a caveat. Buy a micro SD card. Hope Google allows support in the future and keep your fingers crossed. 1080p on my Note chews up space. 4K is quadruple. And it will NOT shoot to the fastest SD or microSD card on the market.
As an ambidextrous owner and user since their inception, I enjoy both Android and iOS. But silly comments like yours shows your ignorance. It was IN THE review! The actual (& damn near identical testing method used by DisplayMate's team will use) 'proof' it's 'LCD ....(IS) @ least as good as its competitors.
Caliko - Tuesday, October 6, 2015 - link
A good phone runs its own OS.You and that moron don't understand HD so your obsession is invalid.
echtogammut - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
He isn't wrong about anything he said, but I just can't imagine getting worked up enough to say it. As a current Apple user/developer, I have every Apple product. I like their stuff, but I can't say I am obsessed about it. I also have a lot of the competing products, so I am constantly toying with all of them. When my current iPhone breaks, I will probably replace it with a Sony Xperia Z3 compact, because it looks like a perfect phone for me. I am not interested in a bigger phone and I would like something that is waterproof, because I run or ride a rain, sleet or shine. I personally think Apple is falling behind in the world of business and multi-use devices. I am seeing a lot of customers whom I developed business apps for iOS coming back and wanting to move to Microsoft or Android platforms because the devices are more powerful and offer more robust features.GerryS - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
I agree. He makes some good points, though most of them are seriously overstated. For most users (yes, nearly everyone in my experience) a "pretty dang good" display is about as good as we can be bothered to look for. I actually like the display on my iPhone 4s. I've never had a complaint, except that it is small, so I got an iPad.See, I don't actually like it that Apple went for big phones. I carry my phone in my pants pocket. The 6 might be about the limit of the size phone I want. If I could get an updated 4s with the processor and other basic features of the 6, that's what I'd buy.
So, for most consumers, we want something that works. I had 4 Android phones before Verizon got the iPhone. I liked them pretty well, but they kept breaking. I went to Apple for dependability, and have not been disappointed. I've only had a couple of problems (even with my jailbreaks), and they've always been easy to fix.
I do like it when Apple leads the way, but it would be silly to expect them to have all of the advances. So many people compare the iPhones to Android phones, listing all of the things that came out first or "better" on Android phones. They seem to forget that there are dozens of companies making Android phones. The best of them have only one or tow innovations at a time - about the same as Apple manages. Apple continues to be one of the leaders, as long as you compare them to one company at a time.
If you want the universe of advances coming from Android manufacturers, then go buy an Android. We really won't hold it against you. For me, I like my iPhone and iPad. My wife has Android (at my recommendation) because we could get some features that were important to her.
Actius - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Lol, he is wrong about his engine analogy! Seriously, none of that makes any sense. Haha, and what's a "V8 compressor"? My goodness...people shouldn't talk about things they really don't know. Just reading that was cringe worthy.sigmatau - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
I'm going to guess you are not so dense as to be picking at the spelling but instead don't know what is a v8 Kompressor. Not only one of the best engines that Mercedes made, but also award winning by 3rd parties.techconc - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
Actually, he is either wrong or extremely misguided in almost everything he's said. Feel free to pick your argument of choice. He starts off by saying how the iPhone 6 launch was disastrous. As compared to what? What other vendor will sell 10 million devices on a launch weekend? Even for Apple, it broke their own previous records. I'm genuinely grateful for people that prove they're an idiot right up front. It lets me know I can either skip the rest of the post or read on for purely amusement purposes.That's just the conceptual part of the post. His technical observations were equally misguided. Especially with regard to screen quality, etc. Clearly he didn't bother reading the Anandtech review he's commenting on.
shm224 - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
@techconc: Sure, what other products you know starts to bend, or totally crap out after the first buggy update, or even have features withdrawn due to more bugs all within the first week of release?akdj - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
Really? You're still convinced the iPhone (6 OR 6+) actually and easily 'bends' in the first week? Buggy update? The one available for about two hours that few downloaded and within ten hours of pulling it a fixed update was released? Features withdrawn? I'm intrigued ..as an owner and realist like techconc, the person you responded to... I've GOT to know!I'm patiently awaiting my pair of 6+s for my wife and I. We just returned from the mall and the Apple Store specifically playing for almost two hours with them. I built a two minute movie and. Rendered in 1080p in about 35/40 seconds, air dropped to myself. Un. Believable phone. It's. Amazing
We ordered launch day through our business representative. Lol. Silly me. Ship date estimate is pretty specific, actually a bit ambiguous with the latest update. 11/2-11/28/14:-)
Oh well. Plenty of time to allow developers to continue updating their apps.
Between my Air, rMBP 15" and the iPhone 5s /6+, my business of 27 years has been revolutionized. Literally, over the past half decade, as a pilot and sound/video producer...weight savings alone are enough to double our profits. And ½ our setup snd break down times. Even my 'flight bag' of nearly fifty pounds isn't necessary. With three retina minis in the cockpit for redundancy, the 'paper' is still there, but unnecessary any more for updates to plates and Jep charts, winds aloft and weather/traffic ...even diversion airports, filing my flight plan and telling me how thirsty she is! Fuel calculated, with a GPS dongle a tenth the price and 100 fold quicker to lock n track than avionics just a half decade ago provide incredible accuracy. ADSB and TCAS (3D terrain, weather and other traffic/with their specific info; altitude, speed, heading, and Xspnder --- TCAS, a warning system that 'tells you what to do' in conjunction with other planes fitted with the system including all commercial traffic and many GA pilots with ILS certifications ...Alaska can get nasty quick and having to 'duck down' these two systems alone are incredible and 'reasonably priced' advancements!).
I'm not sure there's a place in my life iOS has t changed. As a father, business owner and operator, little league and wrestling coach, and pilot...each iteration has improved signficantly enough in 'most situations' to justify yearly updates for me. iPhones hold their value. Until the 4s, AT&T was generous and 'allowed' a 12 month subsidized update. With the business I also provide 17 full time employee iPhones so we've been lucky enough to 'recoup' some of the money spent each update
I just sold an employee's iPhone 5, 32GB AT&T with a cracked screen, scratched to hell and working perfectly. With excellent battery health and perfect camera lens (only scratch-less area of the phone!) for $235 to a local repair guy. He saw me in the mall with the Gazelle box (more than a hundred bucks less) on my way to the USPS. Asked what I was sending. Told him. Showed him a 'picture' or seven before I unboxed it, but he was adamant ...he was able to shine it up with his pieces n parts for $45 or less! Told me it would cost a customer about $210 to do the work but parts were 20% the cost ...labor and time is the price. From there he was confident he could sell it for $325-350 at his kiosk within 24 hours.
My son has had his fifth generation iPod touch for two years. He's nine. No scratches. No scuffs. Clean a booger or twelve off once a week but other than that, it's completely 'perfect'. These iPhones are built damn near the same. Sleek, thin and well balanced ...no bugs, incredibly quick and unless you're a dumbass and put your $800 pocket computer in your rear pocket of your jeans and SIT on it, you're an idiot ...and you've got to be SIGNIFICANTLY overweight AND hit the precise angle in order to 'mash' 100 pounds of pressure to a 'single point'/torque.
Can you bend em? Yep. It's been proven and EVERY piece of proof we've seen visually demonstrates the incredible amount of force necessary and in such a way not indicative of daily use or situations a consumer would find themselves in 99.9% of the time.
Don't. Be. Silly. I respond not only to you but to all those talking like you. Until you've used one. Felt one. Actually spent time with it, it's difficult to understand.
These are absolute and unequivably the BEST two phones on the maket at this time. With the best and most abundant apps/software optimized to its specs. Support to back it up. And resale value when Ya get bored and ready for a new one. You'll recover your 'down payment' plus fifty percent in many cases ...if you take care of it. Seemingly, they're even more valuable than a same year flagship Samsung Note 2, as I wasn't able to get more than $125 for that joke. Note 3 got it right. But it took twice the cores, clocked at twice the speed with three times the memory ( ⅔ to ¾ of which is in use even without an app running! I've got one though and don't take me wrong, I love it) to get 'close' to the GUI fluency of the iPhone & iOS
That's. SAD. That's. Buggy. I'd much rather have a phone that bends with a hundred pounds of torque in a certain and specific area than I would gambling I'll get an update, deal with carriers and OEM bloat and shitty aesthetics and design. Lack of support or resale, lack of apps and software ...& the apps and software in parity are incredibly more enjoyable and stable on iOS. I like my Note for browsing and the SPen. I think an active digitizer would put the six plus over the top but as it is, it's perfect.
Indeed, I'll continue using (& owning) my N3. But I'm not the least bit compelled with the '4' and its 2540 display. While I'm sure there's noticeable and 'obvious' benefits to having 550/600+ PPI ...I'll warn ya when you're 38-42, speaking from experience...you'll need 'cheaters';) ...like our ears, our eyes deteriorate as well ...the elasticity of our lens and ability to change and 'maintain' up close focus just ...goes away! Hence the incredible benefits I've found witg the HiDPI display technology. 3D? Good riddance! It was a joy to see 4k/Ultra HD and even examples of 5/6 & 8K motion display AND capture gear instead of dumbass glasses and crappy off center viewing with limited content.
Apple lead the way and destroyed multi billion dollar monsters in the industry with the iPhone. They then changed consumer display technology's availability. HiDPI and increased resolution is awesome. But to a certain point. Your 1080p 65" LED LCD IPS or AMOLED TV in the living room at 10-12 feet or typical viewing distances is around 100ppi. Quadrupling the resolution (4k) while not exactly linear, will amount to approximately an increase of 100%. To 200ppi. Not four foukd as you may think.
The 'new' ipad(3)/4 -- iPhone 4 -- the rMBPs --- ALL Game Changing home runs. Putting a certain 'joy' back into 'work' again. With SUCH an accurate palate and the ability of OS X'es scaling of the UI (& third party apps the same ...utilizing pixel for pixel when necessary or quadrupling for the GUI simultaneously and without 'glitches' or latency is a marvel in engineering. Coupled with the IrisPro 5200/750m and PCIe SSD at a TB with read and write speeds exceeding a Gb/s, Thunderbolt 2 and its 'one' cable capabilities and abilities to run multiple 4K displays ...shoot man. Seems like yesterday I was hunting the wax pencils and cutting my fingers slicing tape ...now it's immediate and fast as hell in a four pound package at a dozen times the resolution.
Times are good if you're an Apple user. And thats JUST the hardware!
OS X and iOS's march to marriage is incredible. Continuity and Handoff. Air drop between iOS and OS X, as well ...the aggregation and integration between the devices you're using is revolutionary. Period. Only Windows has the power and support vertically and horizontally to compete with what Apple's doing. Vertical & Horizontal backbones.
No one that needs to 'work' is buying a Chromebook
J
elajt_1 - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
This must've been the longest and weirdest Iphone ad I've ever read. ;-)techconc - Monday, October 6, 2014 - link
@shm224 - I now know several people with iPhone 6 and 6+ devices that keep them in their pockets. They all seem to agree that there is no merit to this "bend gate" nonsense. While nobody doubts that these phones can bend under a certain amount of pressure (90 lbs. according to Consumer Reports), from a practical matter, it's a non-issue. Further, I find it rather interesting that phones such as the HTC One which bend under significantly less pressure (70 lbs.) don't receive the same sort of media attention.As for the 8.0.1 update, yup, Apple screwed that up. Fortunately, for Apple, the update was pulled after about an hour. It's also fortunate that in only affected some phones and only for the over the air update as opposed to the iTunes update. To your point, no, this typically isn't an issue for other phones... then again, neither are regular updates.
elajt_1 - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
(@melgross) And to call you one would be an insult to an idiot.Apart from the rage, I think it was he made some valid points.
Jimrod - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
You mad bro?rational_wannabe - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
You have serious issues. So it's OK for Samsung to sell their plastic crap for the same amount of money? Nice way of rationalizing things...danbob999 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Yeah it's OK since there is nothing wrong with plastic. It absorbs shock, is light and do not block wireless signal. Perfect material for a phone. It is also durable enough. How many people replace their phone because the plastic is cracked? Not much. People replace their phone either because the screen is broken, it was damaged by liquid or simply because it is too slow/old.Apple has been selling phones which are cheaper to produce for years at the same price (or higher) than the competition. Smaller phones tend to be cheaper, because the display is cheaper, the battery is cheaper, and the rest cost the same. So even by using plastic, Samsung phones cost more to produce so I fail to see how they can be labeled as "cheap".
blackcrayon - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Apple is spending far more in developing the phone in other areas though. Writing the OS, designing custom SoCs, etc.danbob999 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Designing custom SoCs is an investment. It isn't supposed to raise the cost of the phone.Samsung also design some of its own SoCs and even manufacture them.
The OS is debatable. But from a hardware perspective Samsung phones (at least the high end ones) are definitely not cheap, even if they use plastic.
Parhel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
R&D should affect the cost of the product? That's not how it works . . .Parhel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Ugh.. meant to say R&D "shouldn't". To state it plainly, R&D may be an investment, but it's still an expense. The cost needs to be recouped, and they make money by selling phones, so . . . you do the math.danbob999 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Of course they have to make money. But spending more in software development, R&D or marketing doesn't make their phone any less "cheap". I was replying to someone saying that Samsung phones were "cheap" because they were in plastic. The fact is that Samsung phones tend to be more expensive than iPhones to make, because the cost of the components is higher, despite any savings made by using a plastic shell.akdj - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
Only BECAUSE it takes my Note3 twice the cores, at twice the clock speed with three times the amount RAM to FINALLY close the gap on performance. Almost. My 5s is still quicker playing Asphalt8, manipulating photos, even rendering VIDEO! Most likely the latter because of the extreme lack of interet in the development community (other than game ports) to 'build out' apps and software. And that sucks! I love my Note 3--- coming from the original its a massive upgrade. That said, Samsung is using stock, off the shelf SoCs ....indeed 'produced' by them as they've got the capabilities to cook bake and roll out silicon BUT they've chosen to increase horsepower, drop the gearing ratios and add a stage III nirrous kit 'built' and low level programmed with basic ARM instructions and a radical slather of Peanut Butter JavaScript to wade through just for TouchWiz. By the time you open an app, you're at 85-90% RAM usage. I've got a N3. I like it and I'm not getting rid of it. It serves it's purpose for our business perfectly. But AS a business owner and one that relies on creative talent to make it 'work' I find your comment very VERY ill informed and 'ignorant' ...no to be a dick. But yes, R&D is definitely a percentage figured into the equation with BOM. As well, the software development, A8 & the second generation 64bit processor with a faster GPU, more efficient memory managment with the SoC 4mb buffer and iOS 8 itself are expenses. Paid to a LOT of talent! For crying out loud, they developed a new CODE! And a spectacular one at that! Free lessons are everywhere and if you're experienced, have a macbook laying around, download the latest XCode and you'll have Swift down in a weekend. Not to mentioned the low level 'Metal' instruction set to eliminate the OpGL ES overhead ...allowing developers 'direct' (hence, 'Metal') access to the GPU ...if you're at all curious on how incredible this development most consumers will NEVER know about ...check out Unreal 4's site, the UR4 engine and what they've done with Metal. You can download their patio presentation frim WWDC in the app store. It's absolutley amazing. Samsung's phones are spendy because they're licensing Wacom, using active digitizers few are able use (until this evolution, three's a charm I guess), massive batteries, a horrid looking bezel that's rigid for sure, but then again, this is the first I've seen people, on purposes bending phones, and that's not a real life issue or even concern. I shared earlier, somehow my nine year old son has managed to keep his iPod touch fifth gen in perfect non bent and scratch free condition. Two years. Lotsa boogers and bumps but no dents, no dings, scratches or 'display marks' without screen protection. Guesses can be made in physical pieces. Even how long (labor pricing) to produce a single unit. But development of actual silicon, low level optimization to your non fragmented operating system, 64bit technology 24 months ahead of the industry and obvious benefits from the 20nm A8. iOS 8 (and its counterpart more than ever, OS X 10.10) and its ability to aggregate our information across devices, handoff calls, emails, texts or whatever the hell you're doing on your iPad ....get distracted, fall out and when you turn your iMac or MBP on, there's the email you were working on. Ready for you to finish. The web page you were reading or the movie your were watching ...vice versa too. Start on your computer a doc, and open your iPhone, there'll be a small 'doc' icon signifying you're working on something and you're able to finish it here! Forget the phone downstairs, your in bed reading before sleep, phone rings...no worries. Answer it on your iPad. AirDrop between laptop, tablet and phone, MacPro and ipad....iPhone to your iMac, slick n quick.Of course, then there's the whole 'build quality' argument. Where designers, reviewers, and the public ALL Seem to agree. The iPhone SNOKES Samsung's BQ. Period. They're like jewelry, true and real 'art'. Each phone has been an engineering marvel. Samsung? Are you kidding me? Other than their goofy, curvy, earthy S3 baby blue tangent, their 'rectangle' phone lacks ANY design fundamentals much less achievements.
When you sell as MANY pieces as Apple does, costs come down. For the 'pieces'. But the machining process (2 year cycle) is entirely changed. Fusion welding and sapphire 'plants', robotics and laser/chamfered edging with incredible attention to detail are just a couple of the hundreds of THOUSANDS of re-tooling the facilities for the latest 'build'. And after a couple of hours today with the 6 & 6+ as we anxiously await ours, with an open mind (& as an ambidextrous user of Android and iOS Windows and OS X) --- NOTHING on the Internet does justice to the phone itself. It's. Absolutely. AMAZING!
thrasher32 - Tuesday, October 14, 2014 - link
That must be some really good crack there chiefGerryS - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Absolutely. If it can't be built into the price of the product, there's no incentive to innovate, at all.perpetualdark - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
Not true, you innovate to stay in the game, not to increase your price point. Part of the "innovation" of the android flagships has been their ability to increase technology, form, and function while reducing or maintaining costs. Both the M8 and the S5 were selling for $99 on contract within a month of launch (by Verizon). Apple might have sold a lot of phones in this launch, but that was mostly due to the fact that there hasn't been an "innovation" in several years, and very little reason to buy an Apple product for at least 2 generations. Just keep watching to see how sales hold up after the initial storm is passed. In a few months when you can buy an S5 or M8 for $99 on contract, or an iPhone for $299, which do you think will sell better? And in 6 months, both companies will have the next gen of flagship out, with superior specs across the board and will launch at the same price as Apple, because the iphone 6 will STILL be $299.bigstrudel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Samsung uses Off-the-shelf SoC's for every flagship device outside of Korea. Nothing impressive about that.techconc - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
@danbob999 - Samsung's SoC designs are basically equivalent to Apple's early A4 and A5 work. They essentially just use off the shelf reference designs and put them together to meet their own specifications. Yes, there is some work involved with doing that, but to date, this hasn't been a competitive advantage for Samsung like it has for Apple. In fact, Samsung ends up using Qualcomm chips for a very large percentage for their devices. Likewise, putting them in the same league as what Apple, Qualcomm or even nVidia is doing isn't quite right. They're not in the same league design wise.Samsung attempts to add layers of customization (Touchwiz, etc.) on top of Android, but it just feels like a clumsy layer on top and ends up dropping performance and resources for the device overall. Such customizations are no substitute for writing your own OS and controlling the entire technology stack. That's why a Samsung phone will always feel clumsy as compared to an iPhone. Samsung would have to to the Tizen route to attempt to compete on that level.
Chaser - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Now this is amusing. The OS hasn't changed since it launch except for, wait for it: pull down notifications! Amazing. But seriously its the same floating blobs that sit in rows on a screen. Designed for teenagers and grandparents in mind.techconc - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
@Chaser - Thanks for sharing your ...wait for it... ignorance on OS design and what's actually changed over the years. It should suffice to say that you clearly don't know what you're talking about.shm224 - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
@techconc : Sure, would you mind giving us some examples of such "changes" in iOS?techconc - Monday, October 6, 2014 - link
@shm224 - LOL! Not interested in doing a commercial for Apple and the listing surely wouldn't fit in a forum post. Google is your friend... If you're really interested, you can start with something like the Wikipedia entry for iOS and of course consult the release notes for each iOS release on Apple's developer site.michael2k - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
What? It gained an app store, popup notifications, printing, multitasking, search, pull down notifications, pull up settings, folders, multiple homescreens, enhanced notifications (reply, dismiss, widgets), and file sharing.akdj - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
Who uses their smartphone to sit and look at the UI? Or. Thats right. You. Can't find any apps that'll work? I'm on my springboard for a second or three. Like you said, pull down, enter the first letter or two of the software/app I'm going to use and click, it's open!No more just looking at the 'floating (?) blobs that sit in rows (like Android)non a screen. Designed for teenagers, grandmas, commercial and military pilots. Military operations you're clueless about and 95% of the Fortune 500 companies have deployed iOS.
And unfortunately for you, if you're NOT an iOS user, I completely 'get it'. I've got both an iPhone 5s and Note 3. Love em both but the Note is a tool for a very specific job I so that uses the SPen to do some amazing stuff that wouldn't be as 'cool' as on graph paper. Other than that, I don't care the app you name, Id it's in parity with iOS, I GUARANTEED iOS runs circles around the Android port. As well the optomized tablet apps are overwhelmingly in favor of iOS, and the biggest challenge with the the Note in different apps I've noticed. They're apps designed for 4.3-4.7" displays and the developers aren't tsking the time to 're-do' their tab apps. They're just blown up leaving a load of white space, sparse UI and pretty lame performance as they're not yet 'coding' to take advantage of multiple core computing. Nearly EVERY app in either environment runs on a single core.
Mind blowing though you've spent that much time looking at 'blobs' and haven't figured out that IF you TOUCH the 'blob' something really REALLY Cool might just happen!
Go ahead. You won't break it
J
steven75 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Smaller phones tend to be cheaper? The rest cost the same? No, a single part like the display could be cheaper, but there are very real costs to miniaturization.Samsung phones not only look cheap because of the plastic, they feel cheap in hand as well. It's not the material--It's what Samsung does with it. Nokia for instance makes some plastic phones that look good and feel great. Samsung comes out with phones that look like band-aids and have fake leather stitching molded into them.
danbob999 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
There you go. Samsung phones are not cheap. You *think* they *feel* cheap. That's your opinion and not based on any fact. Whether a phone is cheap has nothing to do with look or feel.And yes, smaller phones ARE cheaper. The iPhone 6 Plus is more expensive to make. The A8 SoC and all other chips are not smaller in the iPhone 6 so there is no additional miniaturization. Only the display and the battery are smaller, and both are cheaper. iFixit teardowns have shown for years that Galaxy S-series are most expensive to make than iPhones.
mrochester - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Doesn't that mean Apple did a good thing? To make a product like the iPhone for less than it costs Samsung to make their Galaxy devices sounds like a big win to me.danbob999 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Of course it is a win for Apple and their shareholders. Not for their customers.Of course it is cheaper to put half the RAM, a small display and a small battery.
bigstrudel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
RAM has power costs idiot. It's not worth it just so lazy people don't have to close tabs.You must've missed the part where they tested that 1800mah battery and it beat up on devices with 50% more juice.
danbob999 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I am not saying the iPhone is a bad device.But don't call cheap a phone with more expensive components juste because the shell is in plastic. That's all I am saying.
mrochester - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I think the expression was relating to the device feeling cheap in the hand, not the actual BOM.danbob999 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
@mrochesterIs this a tech site or a teenager fashion magazine? Why would anyone care about how cheap it feels in the hand as long as it is a good device?
A metal enclosure with no electronics in it may not feel cheap in the hand but it would be useless. What matters is inside.
Hemlocke - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Not true, even in the slightest. The thermal envelope on a material with superior heat-dissipating properties, like 6003 aluminum, versus that of a polycarbonate device, with a poor thermal envelope, is important.Having superior heat-dissipating properties means your components can operate at capacity longer, and they also last longer. All you need to do is look at throttling on the S5, compared to the HTC One M8, and you can see a huge difference in extended performance.
mrochester - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Because whether it feels cheap in the hand is part of whether it's a good device or not? Apple has proved you can make a top class smartphone and make it feel nice in the hand, so why should Samsung be given the green light for producing the stuff it does?rational_wannabe - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
@danbob999Are you some kind of hippie or do you just hate the superior product. If Apple started charging less it would dilute the brand, but that is something you know nothing about. Secondly it's enough that they have had to give in to market pressure and come out with the enormous iPhone 6 Plus but they now have to eat their margins in order to please plastic lovers like you?
rational_wannabe - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Mean to say isn't it enough*danbob999 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
I do like superior product. That's why I prefer plastic. Metal has 0 advantage on a phone.akdj - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
Other than throttling performance. Plastic insulates. Metal, aluminum...dissipates. That's why (again, if you read the article) if you read the article the A8's performance delta doesn't fall at all, it keeps chugging at max while the plastics govern the temperature by throttling their load. Sucks wh playing s game, analyzing a spread sheet or manipulating photos/motion or audioKidster3001 - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
To paraphrase your comment: "What Apple has been doing isn't working as well any more so they are changing their product design to better match what they think customers want." In other words, they're making smart business decisions.Charging less would dilute the brand? If you mean "Apple would no longer be a boutique product" then I agree with you. It would also increase their market share quite a bit. If iPhones cost $100 less Apple would have a LOT more customers. They don't really want that though. They want to be Boutique, Expensive and regarded as Fashionable.
akdj - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
Boutique, Expensive and Fashionable don't often beat their sales (& every other adoption of ANY Electronic in history) each release. 10mil on the first weekend doesn't prive your theory in the least. Rather I think folks will pay a bit more (not that there's a difference. EVERY flagship costs are identical unless you're buying stock Android GB/GB comparison at launch. Last year the Note 3/iPhone 5s 32GB models were $299@ launch) with EVERY release!Poppycock
Kidster3001 - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
"Is this a tech site or a teenager fashion magazine?"That is, imho, the main difference between an Android fanboi and an Apple fanboi.
shm224 - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
@kidster3001: or Anandtech and Vanityfair.Omega215D - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
It's not only about tabs you apple faggot. GPU shares some of that RAM, programs and OS updates will only get more advance requiring more resources. Display, CPU/ GPU and cellular modems use up most of the energy with RAM being quite low. Can it add up? Sure but not that large of a jump.Morawka - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
mods please clean this junk up. I don't want to see anandtech ruined by people like this. it's like the floodgates just opened and all the gremlins got in.Aengland818 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Your blind hatred for someone with an opposing opinion is something worth examining. Why would you use such offensive language? What does it accomplish other than to make you look like a defensive, homophobic jerk!Kidster3001 - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
said the Pot to the Kettle...akdj - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
Harsh language. Necessary?I think you've shown your IQ level. You're ignorant dude. Thank your computer for anonymity. Peeps like you aren't welcome in today's society
sonicmerlin - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Uh, the power cost of constantly digging into the NAND flash page files because of a lack of RAM is far more than an extra gig of RAM. In reality power consumption by adding more RAM is almost negligible, and in general RAM consumes only a tiny fraction of overall power to begin with.name99 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
"In reality power consumption by adding more RAM is almost negligible, and in general RAM consumes only a tiny fraction of overall power to begin with." Numbers? Proof?The article http://arxiv.org/pdf/1401.4655.pdf states that running a variety of SPEC2K programs on a Galaxy S2, RAM power and CPU power are more or less equivalent --- for some programs CPU power usage is higher, for some RAM power usage is higher.
This doesn't COMPLETELY answer the question, partly because that's older technology, partly because a large part of the issue is not how much power RAM uses when active but rather how much it uses when idle. Nonetheless it's a real data point suggesting that RAM is not free in terms of power, which is more than you're providing.
It's also worth pointing out that before the OS will be "constantly digging into the NAND flash page files"
(a) there is no paging file in iOS. There will be demand paging IN (most notably for instruction pages, probably also for at least some resource files that are marked read-only) and a small amount of paging OUT (as far as I can tell, the result of mmap'd filed) but there is no paging file.
(b) remember that iOS (like Mavericks) provides compressed RAM which, at least for the Mavericks experience, provides the equivalent of about 50% more RAM across a wide variety of usage scenarios. On iOS there is almost certainly dedicated HW performing the compression/decompression, which means low power and which may mean the usage of more aggressive algorithms than are possible on x86, providing even better compression ratios. This compression mechanism will kick in before pages are discarded (even read-only pages) which will further reduce the need to reload from flash.
I agree that the tabs situation for Safari is not ideal. However in real life, it is not a problem I actually ever encounter on my iPhone 5 (in Safari or otherwise). It's much more of a problem for iPad, and THERE I think Apple will really be screwing over its customers if it sticks with 1GB. On iPhone, I think this remains a theoretical, not a real problem. We can all invent stories about how it limits the future use of iOS 11, but that's pure guessing; it simply is not a real problem today for most users.
Kidster3001 - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
iPhones haven't need more memory for several reasons. 1. Android apps run in a VM. 2. Android can actively multi-task. 3. Android cannot be as highly customized (pared down) because it has to support more hardware. 4. More, more more.NEEDING the extra memory is a negative. HAVING it is not necessarily a negative. Battery life is what matters. I'll put my Android phone against any iPhone for battery life.
And seriously... "so lazy people don't have to close tabs". That like saying "I wish my OS was like DOS so I didn't have to close all these other Windows to do different things". It's not a good argument.
mrochester - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
It's a win for Apple, and neither a win or a lose for customers. The iPhone is still the best smartphone on the market, even with 1GB of RAM, so what is pushing that to 2GB going to achieve other than simply cutting into Apple's profit margin? Us customers aren't going to get anything from it.mrochester - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Or is it that in your mind, Apple has some sort of moral obligation to put as much hardware in their devices as possible so as to justify their profit margin, even if it has no effect on the end user experience of the device. You essentially just want to know that the hardware is there for the sake of it and that Apple hasn't made quite so much money from your purchase?danbob999 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Apple has no moral obligations.To be taken seriously, we could say that users have a moral obligation not to say that Samsung devices are cheap when they are in fact more expensive to make than iPhones.
akdj - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
I'm thinking you've NEVER used an iOS device in your lifetime. What s ridiculous comment. I use both and I'm a happy 'customer'. Half the RAM? Try a third. My Note 3 has 3GB. Cold boot to a fresh screen, within thirty seconds she's using 2.1-2.3GB of RAM. And my Note is a business tool without a bunch of apps, side loads or 'leaks' in software. Funny thing, happy customers make for healthy sales. VERY HAPPY People break RECORDS with each subsequent release...which, in turn, you're correct. Makes happy stock holders. Breaking records year after year isn't because they're using 'cheap' components or 'holding back'. It would've been MORE profitable to maintian the same pricing scheme without the 128GB (only industry OEM offering this much storage at these read and write speeds) & WITH 2GB of RAM. Significantly cheaper. But there's a solid reason and Apple's engineers are s bit more intelligent than you Mr. danBob. Sorry, the truth hurts but these dudes blew minds releasing the first 64bit SoC. First to utilize the A8 instruction set and they're designing low level graphic (Metal) programming to eliminate overhead of GL-ES. A 4MB buffer on the SoC and incredible optimization to its own OS.
Keep in mind ..,the development community is signficantly more active on iOS and they're making 85-90% of the defelopment 'money!' iOS users 'buy' apps. Spend money and enjoy their experience. Small display? 4;7" has been deemed perfect by MANY! And 5.5" is RIGHT there with. The largest available. Battery? Did you read the review? It's the Best of the Best. Period.
Before commenting, a suggestion. READ the article, review or 'book' before looking 'silly' in public!
Hemlocke - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Simple BOM breakdowns are not actually indicative of "less/more expensive." Apple's economies of scale are the envy of the tech world, and buying in great quantities and using SKUs across multiple lines brings the prices down for components. However, this takes a tremendous amount of capital, money that is spent fa in advance of receiving your goods, and generally your returns have to be enough to offset the money all of that capital is not making invested in some money-making vehicle.In mobile, basically two companies sell enough phones and tablets to do that, Apple and Samsung. Samsung sells more devices, but that is across many lines each year, with almost no common components. Thus, they aren't able to leverage economies of scale in the same manner as Apple, who makes two main lines each year (The newest iPhone and iPad), with secondary sales on the previous models, which still employ the internals introduced the previous year.
tl;dr: Samsung BOM is not the same as Apple BOM.
danbob999 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Actually Samsung shares a lot of components between different phones. And they do have economies of scale on the same level as Apple. This is not enough to explain why Apple phones are cheaper to make according to iFixit estimates.cupholder - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Still a cheaper phone. Quit deluding yourself.Jumangi - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Yea their phones are so cheap that they are the best selling smartphones in the world. Go away hater.extide - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
You do know that they are actually NOT the best selling smartphones in the world... right..?Hemlocke - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I'm pretty sure he meant the iPhone, which is the best-selling smartphone in the world, generation after generation.kirito - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I like to see your comment once samsung would release an all aluminum phone. so many excuses.kirito - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I like to see your comment once samsung would release an all aluminum phone. so many excuses.danbob999 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
They have. It's the Galaxy Alpha. I don't like this phone. I hope Samsung goes back to plastic.bigstrudel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Yeah Alpha and Note 4 are frankensteinish. Plastic on the back. Metal on the edge. Glass on the front.No wonder the Note 4 has gaps in the build you can slide a piece of construction paper into.
Samsung needs to go back to what they do best: using leftover "polycarbonate" TV scrap to make their devices.
danbob999 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Like I said, I agree completely. I don't see any reason for not using plastic.elajt_1 - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
Metal + glass = heavier, breaks more easily, blocks signals. I would have to say that I like the iOS more than anything I've seen from Android so far tho.cupholder - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Protip chuckles: Samsung phones cost more to make than the iPhone. So what point are you trying to make? That you'd prefer a cheap feeling bendable phone?And this is coming from someone with an iPhone 6+. It feels cheap. And it IS cheap.
Kidster3001 - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
Plastic is not necessarily crap. I work with all kinds of phones everyday at work, testing them. In our experience iPhones are much more prone to breaking when dropped than are plastic phones. Metal and glass doesn't bounce very well.Wolfpup - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I think Apple needs to compete in the mid range and low end pricing segments, and they needed to a year or three ago.The lightning connector is defective, these iPhone 6s bend, which is absurd, etc...
I'll defend the resolution though. It's perfectly fine. Android devices just compete on some specs that don't actually matter because there are so many companies directly combating each other.
I think the iWatches LOOK great too for that matter, and they come in 90 billion styles anyway. BUT of course you have to be seriously married to iOS for their to be a point of them...even then, I'm not sure.
Not sure about Google Wear either. I'd really prefer something that can work on it's own. As always, Microsoft was YEARS (a decade?) ahead on this with their spot watches, but everyone acts like Apple invented it LOL.
steven75 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I know lots of people with iOS devices and never heard any complaints about the lightning connector. That thing was an incredible improvement over the old 30 pin connector and is head and shoulders above micro USB as well.mrochester - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Yeah, I love the lighting connector. Micro USB is just horrible in comparison, I can't believe its not even reversible. Come on manufacturers, it's 2014, not 2011!Parhel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Me too. I wish the cables were cheaper, but that's about it. Don't see how anyone could call it 'defective'. I've never had a cable or port break. I'm sure it happens, but I've never heard of it happening.Omega215D - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
That's my only issue with the Lightning cable is the price. Though I can find some good ones for a decent price from a reputable manufacturer and is sold in big brick&mortar stores like Best Buy.After using it for the iPod Nano 7th gen I can't go back to the old iPod cables.
rUmX - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Wait for USB Type-C.mrochester - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Why are we waiting? We should have had it 2 years ago when Apple released the iPhone 5.grayson_carr - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Can't agree with you there. My wife has been through countless lightning cables. Apple branded cables either come apart at the seam between the connector and cable or just stop working after 6 months to a year with heavy use, even if there is no visible external damage. Just look at the reviews of Apple's lightning cable on their website and you'll see how terrible they are: http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD818ZM/A/lightn... (80% are 1 star out of 5). Apple covers one replacement, but after that you're on your own. Third party lightning cables, no matter how reputable the brand, always either stop working after a while or the iPhone will suddenly start saying the third party accessory is not compatible.I think the chip Apple requires in lightning cables is the culprit for most of these headaches. I think they die quickly, far before the lifetime of the cable itself, which is why cables will suddenly stop working for no apparent reason or start being labeled as not compatible.
Whatever the cause, I have NEVER had a micro USB die on me. Micro USB cables are also much cheaper than lightning cables. Finally, all of my other electronics use micro USB (Chromecast, Android phones, Kindles, cameras, etc.) which is awesome! I can have a single cable in my car that charges all of my gadgets (except my wife's stupid iPhone of course). For those three reasons, micro USB is far superior to lightning. Being able to insert the stupid cable either way doesn't come close to outweighing the benefits of micro USB I just listed.
mrochester - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
And to respond to that, I've never had any Apple cables, whether it be the old dock connector or lighting cables and ports, break. Contrary to that, my sister's USB port in her Galaxy S3 broke, her Samsung charger ended up with bent pins and my partner's Samsung Galaxy S2 charger ended up fraying at the micro USB end.mrochester - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Of course, being able to insert the cable in any orientation and it being more reliable makes the benefits of the lighting connector far outweigh micro USB.grayson_carr - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Well, since reliability could go either way depending on your luck, we have...1) Being able to insert the cable in any orientation
vs.
1) Much lower price
2) A standard that is compatible with many more devices (Cameras, e-readers, Android phones and tablets, Windows phones and tablets, hard drives, portable speakers, etc., etc., etc.)
I would take the bottom two benefits any day over the top single benefit. Imagine if every company was as stubborn as Apple and designed their own cable. I would have to have 20 different types of cables lying around my house and it would be a HUGE pain trying to find the correct cable for the device. Instead, I can have one or two micro USB cables that can work with pretty much anything in my house, excluding iOS devices of course. That principle alone is enough to make me dislike Apple's lightning cable. Standards are a good thing. Proprietary sucks. Thank God other companies haven't followed Apple's footsteps in that regard yet. If they ever do, we're all screwed.
mrochester - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
And I'd take the top one over the two things you listed. Having loads of micro-USB cables that are used by absolutely no devices in my house (my Canon camera is mini USB) isn't a whole lot of use. There's no need to have 20 different cables lying around your house, just 2. Your lightning cables for your iPad and iPhone, and a micro-USB cable for everything else that's stuck in 2012.GerryS - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
I agree. The reversability is nice, but not much of a feature to me. Every other cable I use, except circular power connectors, requires a specific orientation. It never takes more than two tries to find the right one.techconc - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
@grayson_carr - Your argument falls apart in multiple places. For starters, you assume reversibility is the only advantage of the lightning cable. It's not. The lightning cable allows for 12W charging while USB is limited to just 9W. Further, you mention the ubiquity of the USB cable as if there is just one type of USB cable. I seem to have a variety of USB types of cables including micro, mini, Type A and Type B (not to mention other proprietary variants) around the house. Please explain to me how this "standard" is working any better for me or the public in general?grayson_carr - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
By the way, if you're in the same boat as me, I have a tip... buy your lightning cables at RadioShack. You can buy insurance on them and it will then only cost $2 to get a replacement when they inevitably stop working.Parhel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Inevitably stop working? If you really have that many cable failures maybe it's the Radio Shack cables that are the problem? I've never heard of one of them failing. Maybe try Monoprice. They have a line with metal housing on the connectors and they're cheaper than the Apple ones.mrochester - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
I just use the ones that come in the box with the iPad or iPhone. Cost = free :)GerryS - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
I've never had a cable failure with any Apple cable, except those I abused (and even most of those are going strong 2-3 years later). If your wife's cables are failing predictably, it has something to do with how it's being used. That's not to say she's mis-using it - it may simply be that her use involves additional strain. Perhaps she uses a car mount or other device that kinks the cable at the end?shm224 - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
in my experience, both micro usb and lightning crap out after some use. The only difference is that it cost on average 4-5 times as much to replace a Apple cable.GerryS - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Actually, I've never had a problem with the 30-pin connector (I believe they replaced it mostly for size reasons), nor with microUSB. I'm somewhat unconvinced there's a strong argument for Apple not to use microUSB. There may be one, but I've not heard it.Stuka87 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
How is the lightning connector defective? Personally I love it. It has no pins to break like a USB connector, does not have to be inserted in one specific direction, and works quite well overall.mrochester - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I don't think Apple are interested in the low end. Apple's strategy is to make fewer devices, but more profit from each one. It seems to be the best strategy.WinterCharm - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
They bend after applying 70 lbs of force. Thats a LOT.Can you bend them by hand? sure
But it's not possible to bend them unless you were TRYING to damage them. Ie, during normal use they shouldn't bend.
GerryS - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Agreed. I feel certain I could also bend my laptop screen if I wanted. I don't want.bigstrudel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
The only people that don't like the Lightning connector also don't own any Apple devices that use one.grayson_carr - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I own an iPad and my wife uses an iPhone. I hate lightning connectors. They're expensive, they die or stop being recognized far too frequently, and I can't use them with any of my other electronics so they add more cable clutter to my house and cars. So your statement is false. There are people who own Apple devices and still hate lightning connectors. Also, check out the lightning cable reviews at Apple's website (1300 1 star reviews vs 130 5 star reviews... hmm)... http://store.apple.com/us/product/MD818ZM/A/lightn...blackcrayon - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
How are people killing these lightning cables? I've never had one die, the first one i got from my iPhone 5 is probably still working (can't tell them apart really, but they're all still working).shm224 - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
you are the exception, not the norm. the 1.5 star, out of 5, on Apple review clearly demonstrates that @grayson_carr isn't the only one with unhappy with Apple's charge cables.mrochester - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
It sounds like you're being incredibly careless with your cables. Personally I think people who don't look after their things deserve to see them broken. I've never had any Apple or micro-USB cable break. Maybe try looking after you're stuff a bit better?dmacfour - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
A lot of people think it's normal to bend the connector ends of the cable at obscene angles. I've never done thing with any kind of cable, and I've never had a cable fray.akdj - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
I agree. We've got a dozen ipad fours. We use them in the field. All over Alaska and from extreme to extreme temperature wise. Had the iPhone 5&5s'es for 17 employees and my wife, nine year old son iPod touch fifth gen and not a SINGLE lightning cable since their release two years ago has crapped out. Two dozen at least with backups for vehicles, desks and homes.This is ridiculous. Whoever 'breaks' a Lightining cable does it intentionally. They don't. Just. Break. Good Lord!
michael2k - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Apple has more cash on hand than the US Treasury:http://www.bizjournals.com/sanjose/news/2014/04/14...
Not sure why you think they needed to compete in the mid and low end three years ago, do you really think they need that much more cash?
Hemlocke - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Exactly. Every other OEMS competes there, and the only one who is even playing in the same sport as Apple is Samsung, and they have been sent back to the minors over the last year. Competing on the low-end/price is a race to the bottom that nobody wins except Google, much like Microsoft did in the PC business. In the end, Apple proved that model to be inferior, as well.techconc - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
Lightning connector is not defective. We all wish USB would have put nearly as much thought into their connectors as Apple has. I can't exactly blame Apple for raising the bar here and showing others how it should be done.It's funny, people see jacka$$ on youtube putting lots of pressure on an iPhone 6 plus and assume it's a real issue. Those that I know with a 6+ don't seem to have any trouble with it in their pockets, etc. Also, why no mention of devices like the HTC One which bends under considerably less pressure? According to consumer reports, it bends under 70 lbs of pressure whereas the iPhone 6+ doesn't start to bend until 90 lbs. of pressure.
supgk - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Wow.. I sincerely hope it's just Samsung paying you to write that. The thought that anyone would truly believe it is depressing.recklesslife85 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Idiot.Bobberr - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Oh hey there GruesomeFireFighter/ Samsung/ AppleCrappleHater2.http://www.legitreviews.com/first-apple-iphone-6-b...
http://m.iclarified.com/entry/comments2.php?enid=4...
http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/190675-iphone-6-...
Sheesh.
WinterCharm - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Hahaha he's so insecure he has to post about his apple hate on MULTIPLE websites. XD Oh god this is priceless.Stuka87 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
wow.... You have some issues dude. Oh, and your analogies are horrible.kirito - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Man, BS get a real job. A one sided comment means you are here employed by someone or you are totally obsess to your godlike BS phone.gandhi_theft_auto - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Apple's position is more like "why have a 4K screen on a mobile phone if anything beyond about 400ppi is invisible to the human eye anyway". I like their approach, it's more about providing a packaged experience than a laundry list of ~~leet specz~ that integrate badly or not at all (case in point: NFC on Android).danbob999 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
1080p is the perfect resolution as it allows you to do 1:1 clone on a TV or monitor720p is fine too for smaller displays.
SuLyMaN - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
And call the resulting crap 'Retina HD'. I like it too.atkilthas - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Well, of course it's called Retina HD. If it were a 4k screen, it would be Retina 4k.grayson_carr - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I agree with you about 400 PPI being enough. Anything above 1080p on a phone is a waste of resources. But the iPhone 6 isn't 1080p, or at 400 PPI, and I can easily see a difference between it and higher density displays, so there is definitely some further improvement needed at least on the smaller iPhone 6.blackcrayon - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
There's also a big difference (heh) between being able to discern a difference, or caring about the difference. I certainly care about the difference between an iPad 2 screen and an iPad 3 and up screen. But I care *far* less about a 326 ppi screen vs a 400 ppi one. The other aspects of the display at that point are more "careworthy" (viewing angles, color, contrast, etc).techconc - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
Assuming 20/20 vision, 326ppi is "retina" quality at a distance of 10.5" or greater. 400ppi brings that in to 8.5" or greater. This can be mathematically proven. For you to claim to be able to discern the difference, you either have vision that is greater than 20/20 or you hold your phone much closer than everyone else in normal use. I'm guessing that neither is true and that you're more concerned about the values listed on a spec sheet.Revdarian - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
You know prior to disregarding his claims you should investigate human eyesight further, i present to you the phenomenom of Hyper Acuity, which is simply that our brains actually do notice certain defects up to 10x smaller than our "hardware" in our eyes suggests that we should be able to notice.techconc - Monday, October 6, 2014 - link
@Revdarian - Yes, I'm familiar with the concept of Hyper Acuity. However, if the argument comes down to "I think there's a difference between these two displays, but I can't really say what it is..." then I think it's also safe to suggest that any such differences simply don't matter. From a practical perspective, today's high end screens (including the iPhone 6 and 6+) have reached the point where any further "improvement" in resolution adds little or no value for normal viewing distances. That said, there are still improvements to be made in terms of color accuracy, brightness, contrast, etc. which are far more noticeable. As such, it's probably not a coincidence that these are the type of improvements that Apple has targeted with their latest displays.Kidster3001 - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
I agree. I am ready for an Android upgrade but all the top models have stupid mega resolution. I don't want to pay for it because it provides no benefit. Can't see it, eats more battery.bernstein - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
at least you got one thing right: apple is after the polish not features (with consumers willing to pay huge money for that)mrochester - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
And I wish there were more manufactures who would take this approach. It's a lonely, if extremely lucrative, market for Apple.dmacfour - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
After using an Android for 2 years, I came to the realization that polish, fit and finish, and UI fluidity are important to me.Zakster - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
You need weed !mrubin63 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Dude, please consider not skipping your meds!! I hope Apple sues you into the 20th Century. You are so clueless to be not just bizarre, but a bit unhinged mentally.SuLyMaN - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Thanks for the really good and truthful view of crapple.flashbacck - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
lol holy shitMetroid - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Agreed with everything you said + the 1gb memory on iphone 6 is utterly bs and to mention apple has been hiding the 1gb memory ram, checked their website and nothing is said or showed the 1gb memory ram, checked the specs page and nothing too, its too shameful to show it has 300% less memory ram than its competitors heheWinterCharm - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Why do they need more ram? The iPhone kills everything else in the benchmark (did you even read the anandtech review?). Apple rarely lists specs for their iDevices aside from storage. They don't need more ram when the 1GB iPhone is killing your 3GB android devices.Omega215D - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
More RAM is useful for future iOS updates with advance features or new games that come out taking advantage of the larger display/ resolution. You're also forgetting that the RAM is shared with the GPU which means you're not getting the full 1GB for apps and cache. Don't forget multitasking is only going to have more of a presence in the future in terms of iOS.It seems to me Apple fans commenting on a tech site don't know much about tech and how the parts actually work.
Kidster3001 - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
Apple doesn't want you to keep upgrading your phone. They want you to go buy a new one. Future-proof is a 4-letter word at Apple.akdj - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
Weird, folks drill extremely happy with their near five year old iPhone 4 & their three and a half hear old iPad 2. Future proof. Interesting word choice. As far as 'future proofing' Apple is another example of 'paving the way' that others can't seem to figure out. Everyone gets the update the Same Day, Same Time. Works perfect! Adoption rates are exponentially quicker, faster and en masse than any other OEM or OS developer. Period. And with older devices they're optimizing and elimating features that WOULD cripple the user experience.I still own the original iPad. Still works great. locked into 5.x.x but holds a ten to twelve hour charge, spotless and scratch free. Going on five years old and still VERY usable for basic tablet comouting; surfing, email and social media, media consumption including incredible 'run time' for video watching or music listening. Reading books. Simple and older games. Pretty amazing and absolutely the opposite of your statement their Kidster. But you'll grow up, gain wisdom and 'learn' fact from fantasy
Metroid - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I guess you fail to understand why memory ram is important for some specific tasks.grayson_carr - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Because you can only have, at most, 5 tabs loaded in Safari at once before they will have to completely reload, which is time consuming and annoying at best. Even less tabs can stay loaded if, God forbid, you open another app for something and then return to Safari. That is just pathetic.akdj - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
WTH do you need more than a half dozen tabs loaded?Buy a laptop man. Give it up
iOS defekopers defekop for the masses. 512/1GB A5/6(x)/7. iOS 8 defelopment had begun but as we saw with '7‘...as time moves on the "Monument Valleys" and Asphalt 8s show up. MS Office suite and unreal 1.0 release and an example of 'how to do it right'. The list goes on.
A large web page is 17-24 megs. There's almost ALWAYS more than 250-300 free and available, typically closer to ½ of the total isn't being 'spoken for' with compression. Available and 'free'. Cached and common processes life in the availability RAM for instant swipe to the app or page population. Apple seems to think more than 'five tabs' open results in a reload is reasonable. I agree. Typically I'll have two or three. I've got plenty of computers around if I need to write a thesis with mutilple Wiki and info Tabs ready immediately.
I've never understood this 'issue'
A) why so many tabs ...and
B) the instantaneous repopulation of a page with LTE or decent Wifi is a blink of an eye. If you're commenting and need to reference something else, tap, select all, copy. Go to your reference page and when ya return ...if for some reason its 'gone' just click the response and hold finger, 'paste'. You're good. As fast as ios is on new devices it's amazing to me you guys are able to think 'faster' tan 'it'. Weird. LTE and near ubiquitous Wi.fi coverage in urban and populated areas, one shouldn't be thinking 'EDGE' reload speed. Click the empty tab and its damn near fully populated when you're ready with your finger to scroll. Who. Cares? That much of a hurry? Invest in a decent ISP and speed. Your Iphone will take care Of the rest
Samus - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
tl/drAceMcLoud - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
lol, retardroids crack me upninjaroll - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
LOL. That's pretty sad. I would NEVER spend more than 2 minutes writing about a product I don't intend on using. You seem a LITTLE obsessed with Apple judging by your username. But I applaud you for having so much free time, must be nice having so much disposable time. I say you focus on using whatever works for you.bigstrudel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
It took a second to scroll by your post, but I had to scroll back up to read your line"Last but not least, every Apple product includes a direct hotlink to the NSA, free of charge, something that might make it a good value, after all."
Wait. Apple is the one with NSA connections?
Aljazeera released emails that show Google's founders speaking with the NSA director on a first name basis.
In 2004, Google bought Keyhole, a geospatial data visualization company with history and investments made by the CIA. Keyhole's marquee application suite, Earth Viewer, emerged as Google Earth in 2005 while other aspects of its technology were integrated into Google Maps.
SELinux was created by the NSA for "security purposes" and is included on Android with Google's permission. It cannot be disabled.
Do you think AOSP will save you with it's "millions of eyes" strategy? Wrong. Google Apps are closed source and cannot be removed by 99% of the population.
Yes. We don't really know what happens to the data that Apple collects. But Apple is a hardware company. They make their money selling devices.
We do know what Google does with our data however. Google exists to collect and sell user data. Distributing an OS and App package that collects user data is a far better strategy for mass spying than trying to directly compete with only a single companies hardware.
And there is nothing to stop Google from handing over anything they want behind closed doors, like you accuse Apple of, but with no evidence.
WinterCharm - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Someone's upset that their phone isn't the "best"bigstrudel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
DEVS.2nd response with a wall of text? On a popular website? Impossible. He clearly had it pre-prepared before the review was even ready seeing as it's the size and quality of a 7th graders essay.
Delete this trash.
RandomReader - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
You never stop making censorship requests, do you?Here we go again:
In contrast to you I very much enjoyed reading the differing viewpoint mentioned above, albeit the fact that it does display a healthy dislike for apple products in general and has been written by an obvious android fan-boy.
Now what I don't like that much is your request to censor the aforementioned post and all related answers out of purely private motives.
Just because you deem something inappropriate and dispensable, it doesn't has to be that way, thus I politely ask you to respect the right of others to enjoy unhindered freedom of speech in general and the existence of other peoples personal opinions.
Hereby I politely ask you to abstain from censorship requests out of mainly egoistic, egocentric motivations, please respect other peoples rights and opinions.
As a side note, based on your behavior and the totalitarian nature of your requests, I suspect you to be either a member of some law enforcement entity or
an individual blessed with a pretty weak character, apparently unable to deal with differing viewpoints in a grown up, factual manner.
kattahn - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
"The apple way, selling over expensive crap to stupid consumers that like toget robbed."
starting at 200$ is the price that every companies top end smartphone starts at. iPhones have always been priced competitively.
"The iwatch is such an ugly piece of crap" - opinion
"Some characteristics are glaringly obvious and inherent to it: over expensive" - compared to what
"hardly innovative" - combining messaging, navigation, and health features into a watch with TONs of interchangeable bands, integrating the watch dial as manual control, and the ability to use touch feedback to the user to communicate non-visual messages. Inductive charging without the need for a cradle. Theres really no other smart watch doing all of this...
"limited functionality and usability (need of an iPhone to make it work)" - Yup. Its an extension of your phone. this is normal.
"looks exactly like a toy watch and so on." - Have you seen it with any of the nice metal bands? And with the face up? What kind of toy watches are you looking at?
"There are of course way better smart watches out there, especially from the
likes of Samsung, Sony, Motorola, Asus, LG, simply put, there is no need for
another piece of over expensive junk." - You've never used a wearable before, have you? Or read any reviews? Every android one so far has been pretty terrible, with the "flagship" that everyone was waiting on using a 4 year old SoC.
"The iPhone 6 is technologically stuck in pre-2011 times, a base model with
a capacity of 16GB without the possibility to use SD cards isn't even funny
anymore. " - I 100% agree. Apple is making a ton of money off limiting storage capacity.
"Now the Iphone 6 Plus offers a „Retina HD“ screen, full 1920x1080p, oh wow,
where have you been for the past 4 years apple, talk about trailing behind." - First 1080p smartphones came out in q4 of 2012.
"Car engines come to mind. For comparisons shake let’s look at a 1.0 liter, turbo
charged petrol engine and a V8 compressor. What’s better should be obvious, but
by calling the former an „ecobooster“, thus giving it a special marketing label,
this joke becomes a „feature“, something positive that can be added tot the list
of features of a car." - so we've made it clear you know literally cars. got it. stick to analogies with things that you understand.
"FACT: Apple has been forced to copy Android in style and size for
years because people abandoned their tired, moribund and fossilized
devices for superior and innovative Android devices." - Yes, they'e been taking the best features of android for a while now, and leaving the bad ones behind. And they've got a damn fine product to show for it.
"charge a premium price and
wait for the rubes like Jim Smith to hand over their cash like the good
iSheep they are." - Again, iphones are priced the same as any other smartphone.
"For all their squealing about Retina displays, they never even had a HD display until now;
8th time is the charm, though you need the iPhone Galaxy Note to get the 1080p that many Android
users have had for at least a year and is now considered
bare-minimum spec." Yes, androids have been pushing resolutions WAY higher than their processors and batteries could handle for several years. And they've been laggy/stuttery and have had terrible battery life the whole time.
And thats the part that you and the other fanboys just don't understand. Specsheets are boderline useless. Ask intel about spec sheet races during the netburst era of CPUs. Intel ran out clock speed improvements like crazy and got trounced with better user experience and performance by AMD CPUs running half the clock rate.
We can also use your inept car analogy here. Because with engines, bigger is not always better. Not by a longshot. A BMW M3 with a twin-turbo straight 6 pushes more HP and will outperform a Mustang with a 5.0L V8. An Ariel Atom with a 2.3L naturally aspirated engine will beat both cars in 0-60, and will outhandle them both. Because the entire car was built around performance. Point being, If all you look at is horsepower or engine size, you have no idea what you're doing and aren't really getting the best product for what you're trying to do.
Apple creates fantastic, tightly designed products that focus on the user experience. They have 100% control of their hardware and software ecosystems and are able to highly optimize everything they do to provide the highest level of performance they can. If you pick up an iphone 6, regardless of the specs, the screen will look great, the battery life will be great, the phone will be flawlessly snappy and won't lockup/hang/get slow over time. You'll have a great user experience, even if it doesn't spec for spec line up against a 2014 android flagship. Just like if you get into an ariel atom and hit the gas, it will absolutely throw you back against the seat and show you power and acceleration you've never felt before, even though by specs it doesn't look comparable at all to something like an M3 or a Mustang 5.0
Ant1matt3r - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I've never seen so much admiration or hatred for a company as I have Apple. Have you thought to think that, considering the length of your diatribe, that Apple is doing something RIGHT?I mean, to polarize the world into groups of fanbois and haters, with each being equally passionate about Apple, I'd have to say that they're doing a damn fine job.
If they can compel you to write a 5,000 word essay denouncing their product, imagine what they do for people who actually ENJOY what they do.
dmacfour - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
I don't think the world is actually polarized.There's the 5% that are Apple fanboys, the 5% that would murder Steve Jobs if they had the opportunity, and then the 90% that'll buy wherever is the coolest.One thing is certain: the iPhone is a superior product from a business standpoint.
name99 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Well that certainly added substantially to the discussion.robbie rob - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Hey Apple craipple, you only prove what we know - Some Android fanatics are much worse then anybody. You make fun of people who buy a product while You display unstable emotion over a product you don't buy. To go to a site and troll - writing such a long worthless post - as you did.. For a product you don't buy. Any people here are technology lovers. People will buy what they want. It doesn't even matter what you post.robbie rob - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Apple didn't copy anything. They still use LCD.. Androids use Amoled - both have their strengths and downs. Apple doesn't just own their SOC - they have a hand in its design and Apples SOC is better overall as it outperforms in most areas despite a lower clock speed. Apple didn't copy going to higher Megapixels on their camera for marketing purposes like the Korean and Chinese phone makers. Guess what happens when you view a 13Mp picture on your smartphone? You view a 2Mp picture because that's all your screen can display - and people like you swear they can tell the difference! Haha. The best screen in the world - a 4k screen only displays at 8 Mp by the way. Apple spent more time making their camera sensor better - which is more important. Apple could've easily upped Megapixels to appease the psuedo intellects who think it matters. I suppose if your print posters all day- but your be using a professional camera not a smartphone.Scannall - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I suggest you stop reading articles about Apple products. They seem to make you irrational and angry.Gonemad - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
You forgot to say it bends and stays bent.TLDR - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
tldrichimp - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Calm down dear - it's a phone review - save your energy for something important!am71ap1 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. Would read again, thanks!baozebub - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
After the first couple of paragraphs, I couldn't bear to read any further. Your obsessive hatred of Apple is driven by some sort of religious zeal. It's like some girl cheated on you with a guy who works at Apple.I can't understand this level of hate. But after buying my first Apple product with the iPhone 3GS, I've slowly seen this in people who otherwise seemed normal. And because of the fierce resistance in me to those who are so forceful in their opinions of what others must think and do that is why I stick with Apple and won't consider Android. Ever.
ozzymustaine - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Nice trolling.How's living on your mom's basement?
JumpingJack - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Son, you need serious help.rimshaker - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
You're probably just mad that the year-old 5S is still running circles around your brand new android gadget. That's right, the 5S! The 6 and 6 Plus don't even need to be mentioned here lol.Oyeve - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
My sentiments exactly.paul4na - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Indeed, and I think Anandtech is also a bit blinded by its US bias given the lack of comparison to any competitiors.The Sony Z3 Compact has double the battery life and available at half the price in the UK. A similar sized screen yet in a noticeably smaller body, waterproofing, stereo speakers, double the RAM, 20MP 1/2.3" cam, SD storage expansion, FM Radio, better non-proprietary OS.
Vinski - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
It's hilarious how Android zealots are actively searching Apple related news/reviews and have to come to vomit some shit out of their mouth to bolster their own choice.It just shows how immature and insecure they are.
djdurban - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
So, i have had many phones in my life. One every six months for the past 6 years. The only iphones have had are the 4S and now the Plus, all the rest of been flagship, just released Android phones. My last one was the M8, the G2 before that. I love Android for many reasons, but i also hate for many others. I have a similar relationship with iOS. They both have their strengths and weaknesses.I can go in to many details, but i can give you one big example of one of the things i love about iOS. Notice the benchmarks in this article. There is nothing 2012 about any of the iphone benchmarks. Even the 5S still holds its own against the current competition. Apple has done this with a dual core 1.4ghz processor while facing "innovative android phones" with quad core 2.5 ghz processors. In this aspect, iOS is FAR MORE INNOVATIVE than android.
Perhaps you should stop worrying so much about specs and start using an iPhone. Incidentally the spec war became a thing basically because Android was so bad when it first came out. I had an OG Droid and it was AWFUL, i mean just awful performance. Thats where it all began, Android was so inefficient that manufacturers had to just keep throwing more and more specs at it.
Like i started with, i have owned many androids, and i loved several of them, the G2 probably my favorite todate, but this iPhone is my new favorite, without question.
Plogpower - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
AppleCrappleHater2 is another perfect example of a crapDroid idiot. Before iPhone, you and the rest of your Walmart crapDroid idiots were still using flip phones. Also anything over $1.00 for a phone is expensive to you and your family. I get it that you are pissed, hearing and reading news of people lining up for Apple phones years after years. But with a little education and 2nd job, just maybe you will be able to afford an iPhone next year.The numbers again: 6 Millions phones pre-ordered in 24 hours. 10 million iPhone 6 and Plus were sold in opening weekend.
Some of the examples that the whole industry is trying to copy Apple but still could not:
iPod, iPhone, iPad, MacBook Air, MacBook Pros, Mac Pro 2013.
Ever heard of a BMW? yeah! Apple products are like that in term of quality. I bet you drive a beat up Ford truck and live in a trailer park near a Walmart 24 hours and supporting Obama correct?
Complete idiot.
GruntboyX - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
to think there is already someone named Applecrapplehater.I am sorry that due to the popularity of the iphone you are not feeling the affirmation of your life choices. Please find some therapy.
endinyal - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
*yawn* I stopped reading after the first sentence. Did anyone make the effort to summarize the iHating whining this basement-occupant was spewing? I didn't want to take away quality bathroom reading time.dmacfour - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
This... is truly pathetic.CalaverasGrande - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
there is more than one iphone competitor with no micro SD.That is just a silly argument. But you are just arguing silly specs. Apple has always lagged behind the bleeding edge. Both on computers and IOS devices. They throw a few nice flourishes on top such as retina or touch ID, but the underlying tech has almost always lagged behind the bleed edge. As the author calls out.
dmacfour - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
And it's only bad for people that have some sort of instinctual need to be on the bleeding edge.kidsafe - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
Are you done?TruthLoader - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
Did you really forget to mention one of Apple's new key features, introduced the first time with this new iPhone iteration, a capability prominently displayed by the newiPhone 6+ and best described by the words of Apple's CEO:
Dear iSheeps,
I am delighted you guys already noticed our brand-new "iBend" feature. We have intentionally kept quiet to preserve the big surprise now unveiled on behalf of our beloved
iSheep. Let me share the following core principles, which were of particular importance throughout the design and development process:
1) Enhance our iSheep's ability to enjoy a panoramic perspective, to be able to make "Panoramas" without moving the iPhone or needing any third party software.
2) We wanted to compete with curved screen models form LG, Motorola and Samsung, mainly offered in their domestic markets.
3) This is our answer to the curved screen displays offered by LG and Samsung, especially the new Samsung Galaxy Note Edge and the LG G Flex:
http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/3/6097297/samsung-g...
http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/27/5036288/lg-g-fl...
4) It is our firm belief and intention to surprise Samsung and LG by showing that we are capable of having an edged display in our phones without actually having one, all for
the purpose of trashing their new curved display phones and offering you a new, well hidden, feature.
5) Last but not the least, we want to sell more replacement screens (remember, screen replacement prices were already provided before our new iPhone launch event took place
(in anticipation of it:), of course that's a feature, feel free to exchange displays now:)).
I am sure some of you iTards might be aware of some articles stating that although our new phones cost about 200$ to 250$ to manufacture (now the old ones cost even less),
http://recode.net/2014/09/23/teardown-shows-apples...
http://news.investors.com/technology-click/092314-...
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/16347/20140926/i...
we are selling them at a huge premium, which means we make a lot of money and I get to enjoy a lot of additional bonifications (indeed, my 15th luxury home has an indoor pool filled
with 100$ bills, hence I'm able to take a bath without suffocating).
More money leads to more attractive innovations like this special iBend (Registered Trademark, Patend Pending) feature you guys will be blessed with, as usual.
Soon we will launch a new iDevice with an additional "S" in its name, it will offer a whole plethora of new features you will be able to make use of, like the possibility to to bend it back and forth to form an S shape. ("iS", Patend Pending)
I sincerely believe you iSheeps are happy with our new iBend 6 Plus, however please let me take the opportunity to thank you all for being such a giant hoard of ignorant,
blind and mindless suckers whose whole purpose in life consists of buying our new iDevice/iCrap (Registered Trademark, Patend Pending) for a very high premium while wasting
their valueless time waiting in the iQueue just to brag about which poor soul enriched me first.
Always remember and never forget, the only thing premium about apple is price, everything else pales in comparison.
We Own you.
Yours Sincerely
Tim Crook.
TruthLoader - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
I'm terribly sorry I did forget to correct some typos, nonetheless, here we go (corrected version):Did you really forget to mention one of Apple's new key features, introduced the first time with this new iPhone iteration, a capability prominently displayed by the new
iPhone 6+ and best described by the words of Apple's CEO:
Dear iSheep,
I am delighted you guys already noticed our brand-new "iBend" feature. We have intentionally kept quiet to preserve the big surprise now unveiled on behalf of our beloved
iSheep. Let me share the following core principles, which were of particular importance throughout the design and development process:
1) Enhance our iSheep's ability to enjoy a panoramic perspective, to be able to make "Panoramas" without moving the iPhone or needing any third party software.
2) We wanted to compete with curved screen models form LG, Motorola and Samsung, mainly offered in their domestic markets.
3) This is our answer to the curved screen displays offered by LG and Samsung, especially the new Samsung Galaxy Note Edge and the LG G Flex:
http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/3/6097297/samsung-g...
http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/27/5036288/lg-g-fl...
4) It is our firm belief and intention to surprise Samsung and LG by showing that we are capable of having an edged display in our phones without actually having one, all for
the purpose of trashing their new curved display phones and offering you a new, well hidden, feature.
5) Last but not the least, we want to sell more replacement screens (remember, screen replacement prices were already provided before our new iPhone launch event took place
(in anticipation of it:), of course that's a feature, feel free to exchange displays now:)).
I am sure some of you iTards might be aware of some articles stating that although our new phones cost about 200$ to 250$ to manufacture (now the old ones cost even less),
http://recode.net/2014/09/23/teardown-shows-apples...
http://news.investors.com/technology-click/092314-...
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/16347/20140926/i...
we are selling them at a huge premium, which means we make a lot of money and I get to enjoy a lot of additional bonifications (indeed, my 15th luxury home has an indoor pool filled
with 100$ bills, hence I'm able to take a bath without suffocating).
More money leads to more attractive innovations like this special iBend (Registered Trademark, Patent Pending) feature you guys will be blessed with, as usual.
Soon we will launch a new iDevice with an additional "S" in its name, it will offer a whole plethora of new features you will be able to make use of, like the possibility to to bend it back and forth to form an S shape. ("iS", Patent Pending)
I sincerely believe you iSheep are happy with our new iBend 6 Plus, however please let me take the opportunity to thank you all for being such a giant hoard of ignorant,
blind and mindless suckers whose whole purpose in life consists of buying our new iDevice/iCrap (Registered Trademark, Patent Pending) for a very high premium while wasting
their valueless time waiting in the iQueue just to brag about which poor soul enriched me first.
Always remember and never forget, the only thing premium about apple is price, everything else pales in comparison.
We Own you.
Yours Sincerely
Tim Crook
Kidster3001 - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
Wow, just wow. I agree with most of what you say but you are just going to start fights the way you put it all down. You're not helping.BTW, you mention iPhone Galaxy. I agree, the new iPhone resembles recent Galaxy phones very much in physical form. You should take a look at the Galaxy Alpha though. It looks almost identical to an iPhone 5 with the chamfered edges. pretty sad imo.
DudeDoe - Monday, October 13, 2014 - link
Not that everyone else have already call it.... But, plain and simple: No one is forced to buy A or B. If you don´t like it, or don´t have the means, don´t.Respect the decision and opinion of the others.
Or as someone else had pointed: A) The ones that have the means, they truly have the choice, they can either buy it (because they like the style, the tech, or simply because of the ´status factor´), or they can buy a ´dumb phone´ instead (because they don´t care, or don´t have the need).
B) The ones that don´t have the means. Well those don´t have much of a choice and have to live with what is possible... and accept that, and not coming after the others because "he/she can´t have what he/she really want"
Musikus - Monday, October 13, 2014 - link
Lots of words to say lots of lies. How much döes Samsung pay for these lies? Shame on you, you have no honour and no guts!Pandian - Tuesday, October 14, 2014 - link
Apple's hardware division - so well integrated with its software division that we do not distinguish the two as we would with most others - makes a strong profit on its devices. Starting with iPhones, iPads, iPods, etc., their profit margin on the hardware seems beyond reason, yet the plastic phones with equivalent or inferior build make MORE profit.None of these companies can make such quality devices without the WTO allowing slave labour in China, India, African nations, etc.,to compete at level terms with the labour force of the "developed" nations; the same WTO contract that USA, China, UK, Germany, India, Brazil, Australia and other nations from every dimension of the social or economic space signed!
That made the 19 year old, 16 hour/day worker from China/India/rest of Asia/Africa AT PAR with highly educated and qualified workers from Germany, UK, USA, India, China, Western European nations, etc., workers who work in less enslaving conditions! If the iPhone 4,5 & 6 series, as well as the HTC, Samsung and such companies' products, were made in Japan, Germany, USA, UK, France, etc., they will cost more than $9000 to $25000 to make! So, the going prices for the hardware, not just from Apple, but the entire spectrum, is a great deal for the consumer.
Apple's software make huge profit - brain power is tough to quantify!
The people who steal our money most are the service providing "middlemen"! That includes the companies that allow us to USE these toys! The phone plans, the billing of both parties for the same call - minutes are erased from the caller and the receiver in the USA for the same call! Not one PAC has been formed to fight this.
These non-producing middlemen include the telephone, cellphone and the CABLE companies! Add the satellite companies if their plans go thru'.
People drill liquid 1m or 2000m from the surface, refine and sell them for great profits, because the fluid powers ours locomotives. The same companies prevent alternate sources of fuel for the same use! We are so used to it that when the new set of companies do the same, we are numb to the stabs!
I pay $250 to $800 upfront for a device in the USA, and use it as long as possible, years! Much more of my money is taken from me in much smaller installments every month, adding up to $240+ per family per month, just for phones! Cable and broadband adds another $200+ in most households! THAT is a car payment!
While the newer smartphones allow me to do more - play more games, be entertained with video of various forms such as games, stupid cats, etc. (paying more there), enjoy the social behaviour of human collective without being social by just staring into a 4-6 inch screen, the phones are much smaller and better than the first simple cellphones! Their primary function is still to be able to make quality phone calls! And, texts, when important. Their super-smart powers are seen when used at trade (stocks), hospitals, and now 24/7 health monitoring! Same device - simple or complex use, still cheap at the physical level; buy it cheaper with a plan that does not suit you, you are shredding your cash.
So, Apple or Samsung can gouge me for 100% profit on their quality hardware! I am bleeding into a shock state from the "nickel and dime" hemorrhaging of my other services - the phone plans, the contracts, the over the limits, etc.! The cable companies lay down the hardware still poorly to supply broadband, and channel programs that they do not create! There goes my money!
MacDaddy100 - Saturday, October 18, 2014 - link
It's obvious you don't have much experience in technology, you can tell you've been sucked into the Android/ Samsung marketing telling you what you need in a phone.It seems you sold on specs and specs only, It's sad that Android phone have to put such large specs, faster GHZ, More RAM just to keep up with the iPhone, depending on which benchmarks you read, at times the iPhone is faster, at times Android is faster, but overall pretty even, that just shows how inefficient Android is, Needs double the specs to keep up.
You obviously like car analogies, Its like you think a 1000hp Ford Focus will out race a 500hp Porsche 911 on a race track, just cramming horsepower doesn't make it a all-around better.
Its amazing how much Android keeps copying iPhone features every single year, And Android profits keep sinking FAST, just look at Samsung's recent quarter, complete backslide.
Why is Android flagship phones still using 20 year old 32 bit technology?
Its amusing to watch Fandroids brag about their pretty dancing wallpapers, can't you see that Googles precious Green Robot and Samsung marketing machine has you sucked in.
Jenius - Monday, October 20, 2014 - link
It's always difficult for me to understand such long hate comments.If you don't like it, just ignore it.
I admit I am a long time user of iPhones, because I think they are good for me. But I never really care if my friend would also use an iPhone or if he prefers Android.
As far as I can see, it is always non-iPhone users who are most vocal about features that they don't like, etc etc. If you are not going to use it anyway, why do you even care?
SJR - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
The Apple A8 and Sammy's Exynos 5433 are the two best SoC's out there. Moreover, the speed of the RAM of the latest iPhone's is almost double than their competitors. And although just like you said, the 16GB base-model is more of a joke nowadays, the capacity of their pricier siblings is unheard of. Can you point me to some other smartphone with 128GB's of embedded flash storage and, of course, a more competitive price? No.What's funny is the fact that you imply the smartphone with the most advanced 'intestines' of all is outdated.
Oh, I almost forgot: the AMOLED displays are crappier than a LED IPS-panel. They're simply more impressive due to their colors being over-saturated (and that means they display the colors WRONG.)
Iphneluver - Tuesday, January 27, 2015 - link
Are you through? You might as well get a rotary dial phone.. You'd be happier dumb assrupert3k - Sunday, February 1, 2015 - link
What a nutterCharlydance - Friday, March 6, 2015 - link
Right on mate.. These Ifool lovers hate when you talk and compare specs, so brainwashed they defend apple with words like "software optimisation" lol, and how Samsung copies apple., just really stupid arguments.Anyway I know what my next phone is:), my current phone(gs5) I have no complaints it's just a beast does everything I want eg. Download, stream content to any device including apple TV Hahaha play games without issue,
Apple Ifools can only dream of having a taste of what Samsung has given there followers.
w1p30ut3r - Saturday, October 3, 2015 - link
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph8554/67993...Caliko - Tuesday, October 6, 2015 - link
This obsessed iKnockoff fan doesn't understand HD.orangehead911 - Sunday, February 14, 2016 - link
Wow. You should get a lifexmen77 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
yellowness camera (g3 much better).watch review
I can to give more proofs but links not allowed
sound worse than 5s, s5, htc one m8 and htc one mini2
calibration worse than note4
xmen77 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
also sounds worse than g3robbie rob - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Yeah it's a solid phone and Apple puts together the pieces to give a good all around experience. One of the fastest cpu's in any smartphone; one of the fastest to focus, best low light, color accurate cameras, a display that is very accurate and has great contrast. A phone that has more LTE bands then 99% of all phones. A phone that has battery life on par with most competitors - despite having a battery that's only 1/3 the size.LoveGettingRobbed - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
@AppleCrappleHater2 (nice handle!):Thank you! I had just read the AnandTech review and was under the impression this was a pretty swell device. You've set the record straight! It's obvious by your username that you are a well-informed, unbiased fountain of useful information.
/s
This has to be the most mentally disturbed case of trolling I've ever seen. Seek help dude, you're not well.
Brandon263 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Great review guys. Wonder if Apple's consistent lead in CPU performance will prompt Arm/Android handset makers to focus on efficiency rather than cores or frequency in future SoCs. One can only hope...Toss3 - Wednesday, October 8, 2014 - link
What CPU lead? I don't see Apple leading in the CPU department at this stage due to its low CPU frequency and low amount of cores (apps are multithreaded these days). Don't get blinded by single thread performance and browser benchmarks that don't reflect reality.bafa - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I was hoping to hear about the h.265 capabilities in FaceTime.Squuiid - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
+1Joshua, Brandon, Chris and Ryan, could we have an addendum commenting on h.265 capabilities?
Brandon Chester - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I can't make it decode HEVC video no matter what I attempt if that's what you're asking. If you check my Twitter you'll see I've been obsessing about this since they put the spec page up.solipsism - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Good point! MY guess is Apple is adding that capability this year on the sly so when they are ready to add H.265 encoded video to iTS the market will be prepared, even though they will seamlessly offer H.264 and H.265 alongside each other.Laxaa - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Finally, AT's iPhone 6 review!My girlfriend bought hers last friday(when it launched here in Norway), and so far it seems like a very good phone indeed. A lot faster than her aging 4S, which in it's own right feels decently fast. The 6 is a very impressive package, but having only 1GB of RAM is a dealbraker for me. Also, they still haven't fixed the awfull sound quality when you record videos. 64 kbps mono is not acceptable in 2014.
dmacfour - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Serious question: is there any way you personally use your phone that would be limited by the amount of RAM?MagickMan - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
It seems like an amazing phone, but there's no effing excuse for only having 1GB of RAM. Multitasking with the 5S was poor and Safari web page reloads were constant for me, and anything that needlessly wastes my data plan is extremely annoying.hatty - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
You'll see my question posted in these comments. But, I don't understand how more RAM would lead to better multitasking. For the first handful of apps in the multitasking window, I believe they are all stored in RAM. Maybe if one is playing a game or editing a video while multitasking, I can see some performance issues with memory swapping. But, for my day to day use with light gaming and no video editing, 1Gb of RAM is perfect.rUmX - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
So you're saying you wouldn't appreciate an increase in system memory?Laxaa - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I guess he's beeing apologetic. But with the introduction of the 6+ and more "tablet like" features, having only 1GB of RAM is going to hurt in the long run.akdj - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
Interesting. My iPad Air is still FLYING! I do edit video, I manipulate photos, play games and tend to use Mercury Pro or iCab as my browser of chooce though some awesome improvements have been made with Safari. With LTE and WiFi a,b,g,n and AC, a decent ISP @ home the instantaneous repopulation of a website is 'immediate'. No waiting involved. Not sure which developer is pushing Any Software with RAM limitations in iOS. As this IS the highest, fastest and latest silicon found on an iOS device. Some of the graphic and landscape design they're doing with Metal (see the Unreal 4 engine) is absolutely mind bending ....for a measly GB of RAM.When it comes to 'tablet like features' iOS has Android buried in the dirt. There's a few hundred optomized tab apps for Android. A few hundred thousand 'optimized' iOS tab apps. That's one of the annoyances I've got with my Note 3. Phone apps 'stretched' to fill the display.
mrochester - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Not if it doesn't benefit me as the user. More RAM for the sake of more RAM is just pointless and wasteful.savage_detective - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
it will never matter if it has too much ram. now if it has too little ram...seriously, when did it become a thing to hate more ram? its not like the phone would cost significantly more with an extra gig. Or start operating badly...embrace the ram, it lets you do MORE THINGS.
Hemlocke - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
It's not the monetary cost, it's the constant power cost, in use and at idle. If there is a need for more, then fine, but performance isn't being impacted, nor is battery life, which there would be if it had 3GB.Consider your daily use. What do you get, 5-8 hours screen-on time? That means that the extra RAM is consuming your finite amount of power two-thirds of every day. Couple that with inefficient 2012 Qualcomm architecture, and you will see an idle power-consumption impact.
MonkeyHood - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
A non-trivial impact? Can you list some numbers?Besides, (assuming you browse the web) safari will need to reload tabs if you have a couple open and a few apps. Can you compare how much energy it costs to use the radios vs having the page STILL in RAM?
shaolin95 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
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Not interested.Steve222 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
So, anand works for Apple now. I thought you guys were one of the last neutral and objective tech reviewers. While hole internet is full of bandgate scandal, you recommend this as a best phablet to buy. ARE YOU SERIOUS?doobydoo - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Anand didn't write the review, so where he works is irrelevant.And yes, they are a neutral, objective tech review site, unlike the 'hole' internet where most of the websites you see pushing 'scandals' are those with sensationalist stories and click baiting.
So, is your complaint that Anandtech is actually, as you said, one of the last neutral and objective sites? Or were you hoping for some Apple bashing to make you feel better about your Android phone.
Angrychair - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I have to agree. It's a sad comment on the partiality of anandtech at this point that there wasn't even a mention of the low structural integrity of these phones near the volume rocker.Ryan Smith - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Be sure to see our 6 Plus review, as it has a discussion of that with the phone it's more relevant for.http://www.anandtech.com/show/8572/the-iphone-6-pl...
Angrychair - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Ryan, Consumer Reports testing showed that the iphone6 and 6+ were practically indistinguishable from a materials and structural weakness point.The only significant difference is the 6+ is the bigger model so it's going to receive even more torque on the weak spot, but that doesn't excuse the fact that the iphone6 and 6+ are essentially half as sturdy as the iphone5 was.
Apple should have let go of their absurd thickness obsession and just made a phone that was a bit sturdier.
anactoraaron - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Why is everyone quoting and sourcing consumer reports all of the sudden as if they are the worlds premier source of phone bending information??Where did they get their sample? Why were they so quick to do this test- as if they weren't busy doing anything else? How much did apple pay them to rush out this 'test'??
This whole thing REEKS of a PR cover up
ricardodawkins - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Excellent words, my friend.uhuznaa - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
If you have ANY other reports or whatever that have some actual numbers in it instead of silly opinions or videos I'm sure everybody would be glad to see them. And what's so strange about Consumer Reports testing a device that sells 10 million in a single weekend? They did the same with the iPhone 4 and its antenna back then.I just can't stand people rallying against something they don't like, bad-mouthing everything that has actual facts in it while trying to drum up a mob. Come up with number and facts to compare against or just shut up.
anactoraaron - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
The issue I have with the CR test is that the force was applied to the center of the device, rather than truly testing the rumored weak point.ninjaroll - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Samsexuals are so funny. Any word of Apple gets them worked up, hot and sweaty..anactoraaron - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Was that comment directed at me? I HATE Samsung... Get a clueblackcrayon - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
It doesn't matter if the 6 and 6+ are "half as sturdy as the iphone5". It only matters if they are sturdy enough for how they're intended to be used. No one has proven otherwise, only put forth the idiotic notion that phones are supposed to withstand muscle-tensing attempts to bend them in half.solipsism - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Do you have any proof that the iPhone 6/6+ aren't sturdy? Being less sturdy in one test by CR is not evidence that they aren't sturdy devices. This entire "scandal" that you can destroy CE without hands is fucking absurd. CR and those YouTube uploaders are simply parasites capitalizing on the success of others.centhar - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
There is PLENTY proof, apple fanboy. Take off the fruit glasses and look around.solipsism - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Well then show me proof that if you place your iPhone in your pocket it's going to warp like a warm candy bar?Revdarian - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
Investigate Metal Fatigue, how it works, it's logarithmic relationship with the actual strength used vs the inverse of the expected life of the device, it may not be instant, but it really isn't smart to drop their structural resistance as much as they did in a single go.techconc - Monday, October 6, 2014 - link
@Revdarian - I don't think this is really a question of metal fatigue as much as it is a question of real world usage situations. It's clear that Apple performs their own testing and analysis on this. They've demonstrated that. The question is, were their estimates about what is needed for real world usage correct or not? Given that out of the tens of millions of iPhone 6 & 6+ devices sold, the actual number of complaints apparently remains in the single digits. Given that Consumer Reports demonstrated how other phones such as the HTC One bend under considerably less pressure and that this hasn't been an issue for them, it's not likely to be a real issue for Apple. History has demonstrated that each iPhone release is accompanied by some sort of fictitious "gate". History has gone on to show that in each case they are complete nonsense and without merit. Hundreds of millions of units are sold without any further mention of such issues. Yet, the tech press is just so desperate to find something. Why? Because controversy sells... It adds page hits to their web sites, etc. It's shameful that this sort of thing is given any merit in the first place without actual empirical analysis.kirito - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
man, how is the review related to anand. it was a complete review. a mile better than review from blogs and godlike-android-user-who-have-brand-issues.solipsism - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I knew there would be some asshat that felt Anand getting a job at Apple would somehow invalidate anything and everything ever written on this site, regardless of Anand's actual involvement.If you believe Anand is secretly whispering to them then you need to stop reading this site right now.
Personally, the only question I have is why wasn't AnandTech able to get pre-release models for testing this year.
willis936 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
It is very surprising that the bend issue wasn't even mentioned considering there's a lot of talk about it. If your editorial judgment says it's a nonissue then mention it as a nonissue and explain why. If it's the worst thing to happen to apple industrial design in the past ten years then say it and explain why. To completely ignore the issue in the main review seems negligent.Brian Z - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
They addressed it on the first page of their piece on the iPhone 6 plus.DIYEyal - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Isn't the bending problem occurres only on the 6 plus?solipsism - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
That's the initial report but CR's limited testing shows the 6+ to be more sturdy than the 6.hatty - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
It was mentioned in the intro.Parhel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
First page dude.rUmX - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Yah! Whatever. Wake me up when something good comes along.Apple has been irrevelent for a long time now, except for sheeps. Besides, the industrial design is no longer exciting as others have the same or better without the antenna-gate or bend-gate issues like yours truly in the review.
Oh! And only 1gb of ram in 2014? Are you for real? Sure... I guess. If you like to continue loading their profit margins. As always, a useless phone for the masses who don't know better. You know who you are.. Because you're baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaddddd!
Brian Z - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
A phone ( well phones) that sells 4 million units in 24hrs and 10 million in a weekend is not irrelevant.Dislike the phone and Apple all you want. Saying the iPhone is irrelevant is just silly.
prophet001 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Sheeple gonna sheeple.Brian Z - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Sure there are sheep. But they only make up a certain percentage of total sales. Every year the sales break the previous record. Because more than just the sheep are buying them.It's funny how the so called irrelevant phone brought all the crazed android fanboys out!
KosmiclyComic - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
You miss the point. Millions of potential customers have the same exact hardware. As a developer and content creator that is a huge incentive. Apps are what make the experience on a phone, and Apple has consistently exceeded in that Field.Parhel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Anyone who doesn't like tinkering with the settings on their big plastic phone is a sheep.doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
'Sheeple gonna sheeple.'So by this I assume you are referring to Android fanboys, since they are the majority?
rUmX - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Like I said, the sheep's go baaaaaah!! Sales doesn't always equal a great product, just mindless buyers.thethirdman - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Everyone's wrong except you?Brian Z - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Yeah you're right. Look at how many galaxy s phones Samsung sold for example.Brian Z - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
And to add, I only used the sales number to dispute the idiotic claim that the phone isn't relevant. Then the fanboys go sales don't mean it's good. It never ends with the fanboys.doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Logic is wasted on Android fanboys.solipsism - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
That is true, but it does prove relevance, which completely destroys your initial point.According to Google's own Android analytics the 4.5" and larger devices are but a very small fraction of device activations so what you're going to see is the Apple, once again, entering a market much later than everyone else simply to dominate it.
KoolAidMan1 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Its funny that Fandroids say this one moment and then brag about market share the next.KosmiclyComic - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
How hard is it to be this dense and ignorant? Anand just went into amazing detail about the A8, a 20nm cutting edge processor which is leaps and bounds ahead of the competition.Stop comparing specs between Android and Apple phones. The OS's make spec comparisons irrelevant. Only benchmarks can show meaningful differences. But then again based on your comments I bet you'd think that a Toyota Sienna with 220HP is faster than a Ducati Monster with 130 HP
akdj - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
You're a simple manWould've been significantly more paper 'to continue loading their profit margins‘ by keeping the storage sizes the same 16/32/64 & increasing the RAM by double than rhe NAND by double (16/64/128). So back atcha, as an owner of both and someone that held out on my Note 3 to wait on a 64GB to materialize....it never DID! 32 or go home (of which just over 20 is open and with each successive update my micro SD is becoming 'less relevant' than earlier, slower and 'glitchier' Android builds.
Google doesn't want OEMs to use offboard storage. So if they're coding their OS to NOT utilize those memory sticks...and the 'limit' is typically 32GB with an infrequent 64GB & NO 128s, who's coveting their pennies more? Cupertino or MtVall? Apple could've easily saved more on the BOM by doubling, even quadrupling RAM and not increasing storage (NAND). But...why? I think it's a generational thing. I've got a 2010 MBA with 2GB or RAM, 128 GB SSD, and my son uses it daily without a hiccup. Apple's ability to MANAGE RAM has shown time and time again it's NOT the bottleneck in performance. Where's my proof? I own the 5s and Note 3. Any and EVERY app in parity is SMOKED by the 5s with a third the RAM, half the cores and half the speed. Photo manipulation in Lightroom or iPhoto, audio production in any of hundreds of DAWS, GarageBand which is free and INCREDIBLY powerful, with the ability to mix out 16 or 32 tracks of instruments and vocals, that's unbelievable. If you're surfing, Apple's smart enough to free enough RAM for your current page allowing other cached processes to continue running efficiently with excellent reliability. A good sized web page is 15-20MB...Not a GB!
Not to mention some of the sites poor coding and builds on top of antiquated code as well as dynamic content sites, ala Facebook. But with FB and so MANY other sites having 'apps' that don't need to be viewed in a browser. This reminds me of the 90s and the Pentium years. Just add RAM! Lol when we could only utilize about 3GB on 32bit rigs, folks were putting 4 in and SWEARING the difference was night and day
Night and day differences come from better SoC design, more efficiency and battery life, lighter, faster, more secure, better dusplay characteristics and FAST internal storage are ALL bigger benefits than this tired RAM argument. Again, there's three gigs in my n3. Playing Asphalt 8 you'd swear it's my 5s that's got three and quad cores.
Nope ...it is the other way around and a sad reality
nos024 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Wow, looks like a Galaxy now. But still no SD card and removable battery. Don't think I can ever buy a phone that don't have both of those features, android or not.hatty - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
If you aren't savvy enough to use the cloud, just buy more storage up front. It is more elegant, allows for less complexity (paramount for security, developing applications, and performance), and provides an overall smaller footprint.blackcrayon - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Not only that, but Apple is obviously putting some pretty quick storage in these devices. If you need storage get the large, fast, contiguous storage and the rest use the cloud.juicytuna - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Yeh, your display white point are not consistent with what others have measured (~7500k @ displaymate, phonearena, various Russian sites). Given your reputation for in-depth technical analysis, it wouldn't surprise me if Apple singled you out for a specially prepared unit.Brandon Chester - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Apple has always had significant variance in white point. They would not send a cherry picked sample with a hot pixel right in the middle of the panel.juicytuna - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Hot pixels don't show up in graphs and are easily excused as an anomaly.juicytuna - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
There's very little downside to providing a unit with a hot pixel. A defective unit like that will be replaced under warranty, no questions asked. On the other hand, it is being used by you guys to suppress your 'suspicions' that you have a cherry picked phone. PR is devious by nature and I think you guys might be being a little naive here.Why don't you re-run these tests on your personal units and see how much they differ? I think that would be the right thing to do, as after all you admitted you were suspicious.
Parhel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
All you'd need to do is hold one phone next to another to see if the displays were visually different. If they were, then you retest. If they aren't, then you don't. But the idea that the hot pixel was intentional to "suppress their suspicions" is truly tin-foil hat level ridiculous.juicytuna - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Not at all. Read the article (and Brendons comment). They were suspicious at seeing such good measurements, but the hot pixel on their unit allayed their fears that the unit might have been cherry picked. The hot pixel did indeed "suppress their suspicions". It's not something I made up.I'm just pointing out that there is a rather large discrepancy between Anandtech and every other site out there when it comes to these measurements.
Flunk - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
The back looks a lot like an HTC One M8 or M7, especially with the plastic lines.Omega215D - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Apple could have done a better job at making those lines look a little more appealing and maybe curving out the back more to make it feel better in hand (brother has the Iphone 6 and likes the curved back of my One M8/ sister's M7). I like the iPhone 6 but some niggling issues kept me from buying it (not bendgate) but it's a definite improvement over the 5s, especially the battery life.DukeN - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
A camera comparison without including the Lumia 1020? I suppose we all know this shiny turd won't come close again..SirMaster - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
http://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/Apple-iPhone-6-and-...centhar - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Paid off by Apple... They must be blind not to notice the propensity for the iphone's overly warm (color temperature shifted to red) images. Images with more warmth look better but are not accurate to the original scene.Hemlocke - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
It is amazing how Apple pays off so many people, yet still manages to hold on to an enormous war chest. It's like the one product in the pipeline that has not been rumored is a currency printing press.akdj - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
Warm tends to shift 'yellow' not redCool shifts blue
I've yet to see a review that doesn't discuss the incredible displays on the new iPhones. Go look at one yourself and tell me it's 'warm'. That's bullshit. I've been shooting still and motion almost thirty years. This phone out of the BOX is as accurate as our (calibrated) NEC & EIZOs.
Angrychair - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Nothing in the review about the poor structural design of the latest iphone and its significantly great tendency to be bent and broken compared with the last iphone?http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-an...
blackcrayon - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Probably because this site is trying to cater to intelligence vs. made-up scandals.Gunbuster - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I wish you would list the real off contract prices in the review. The iPhone 6 is really $650 - $850EIGHT. HUNDRED. FIFTY. DOLLARS.
doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
SIX. HUNDRED. AND*. FIFTY. DOLLARS.Don't be part of the problem.
dmacfour - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
That's... not a contract price...akdj - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
The same price as an LG G3, Samsung Note 3 or 4, HTC's and Sony's flagships? Why is this out of line?Mikuni - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
How much did crApple pay you guys for this extremely biased review?SirMaster - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
What about it is biased, can you be specific?blackcrayon - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Facts (objective tests) have a pro-Apple bias, eh?doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
They do to anyone pathetic enough to use the word 'crApple'.anactoraaron - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Two red flags struck me as I read this review. The obligatory 'button feel' statement - and if I looked I bet it is word for word what is in every iPhone review, as if it's in some contractual agreement for getting you a review unit.The other is the blanket statement about the os/software aspect being 'great', with no mention of the 8.0.1 update that broke cell reception and touch id. If other phone manufacturers can't get away with this kind of thing, how can apple?
The more I reread this 'review' I can't help but think that it was influenced by apple in many ways. Sad.
thethirdman - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
One red flag struck me as I read your comment. You can't comprehend people liking something you don't. It's hard, I know. But you've got to try to understand if you're going to survive in the adult world. Seeing conspiracy in anything that doesn't agree with your opinions is indicative of your infantilisation.Sad.
anactoraaron - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Wow someone got butthurt by my comment.Sad.
I simply noticed that the button travel comment seemed similar in every review. That and an and tech has been critical of other devices with software issues - or at they very least mentioned them like they did for mantle issues, etc.
Going to 'survive in the adult world' - you just gave yourself away Tony Swash (you). Your wording gives you away you apple tool.
Besides, I never stated anything about not liking the phone, you did.
Surviving in the adult world must be hard for you since you're the type of person to put words in others mouths.
Parhel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Fact: anyone who uses the word "butthurt" has the intellect of a 12 year old.anactoraaron - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Butthurt is an accurate account of Tony's post. It's also a funny word to me, just like 'butt fumble'. I would also call him a troll. Is that a 12 year old word too?Would Asshurt work better for you?
Tell me something. Do you use any '12 year old' intellect sounding words? You can't possibly say no, because by saying no you will acknowledge that you are very familiar with what those words are - the implication would then be that you, in fact, use those words yourself often and will 'nullify' your 'attack' on my comment.
How else could you then explain your position that only someone with a 12 year olds intellect would use that term?
I would think that only someone with a 12 year old's intellect would make such post on a forum about a phone. See how easy it is to do that?
Besides, my intellect wasn't being challenged by Tony, since he's a troll and all, but if you want a debate I'll happily oblige.
insomniable - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
"Tell me something. Do you use any '12 year old' intellect sounding words? You can't possibly say no, because by saying no you will acknowledge that you are very familiar with what those words are - the implication would then be that you, in fact, use those words yourself often and will 'nullify' your 'attack' on my comment."I don't use a Dildo. but i know what one is...
Just because you know of something does not mean you use it, for future reference.
anactoraaron - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Do I really have to explain that a dildo is an object and a 12 year olds vocabulary isn't such a tangible thing?I'll use smaller words so you and your friends can all understand.
One person's opinion of what words do and what do not resemble the intellect of a 12 year old will vary from person to person. To accurately demonstrate you are speaking a 'Fact:' you should have a lot of experience in speaking with a 12 year old and like a 12 year old to make a post that, ironically enough, starts with this person stating 'Fact:' as if they themselves are prepubescent in age.
And surely someone who is likely called a dildo often will know what one is.
doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Wow dude, you're just seriously retarded.First, you make a stupid criticism of an article because you claim they repeated an opinion they had previously. WOW, they can't possibly maintain the same opinion that they had previously. BIAS!!!
Then, you make a stupid criticism that they haven't brought up a bug which affected a small number of people and has already been fixed, and likely hadn't happened / was already fixed by the time this article was written. Why write about an issue which isn't there for anyone purchasing the phone?
Someone points out to you how ridiculous you're being, and you call him 'butthurt'. The only person appearing 'butthurt' is you - by the review, because it doesn't satisfy your pathetic anti-Apple agenda.
Then, as if to confirm what we already knew, you underline your lack of intellect with a series of logical errors:
'you will acknowledge that you are very familiar with what those words are - the implication would then be that you, in fact, use those words'
So you don't understand that knowing a word and using a word are different things.
'How else could you then explain your position that only someone with a 12 year olds intellect would use that term?'
Um, because it's an immature, illogical word to use? Which you can know whether you use it or not?
'Do I really have to explain that a dildo is an object and a 12 year olds vocabulary isn't such a tangible thing?'
So you failed to understand his example which explained to you (with an example) that knowing what something is and using it are different things, and you're now going on about tangibility? His point never depended on a particular vocabulary being 'tangible', and your tangential argument that it did just shows you didn't understand the example.
'To accurately demonstrate you are speaking a 'Fact:' you should have a lot of experience in speaking with a 12 year old and like a 12 year old to make a post'
This is just wrong on so many levels. Firstly, his use of 'fact' is clearly not used in the literal sense. Secondly, having experience speaking with 'a 12 year old and like a 12 year old' wouldn't allow you to use it in the literal sense, and thirdly - if it did, you wouldn't necessarily have to act like one yourself to understand what one is.
'And surely someone who is likely called a dildo often will know what one is.'
What kind of argument are you trying to make here? Who said anything about anyone being called a 'dildo'? Way to just miss the point, completely.
What happened here, in summary, is that you cried all over an iPhone review because it didn't criticise what you wanted it to, accused this clearly objective site of having bias, and then called anyone 'butthurt' who pointed out how illogical you were being. You then proceeded to fail to understand when someone was telling you how you were being immature, taking it literally and coming up with a series of logically invalid arguments to take the conversation on a pointless (and incorrect) tangent.
Grow up, accept that the review can be positive without having bias, and try not to define your life on how successful consumer products that you hate all over are.
tekeffect - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
This is the first Iphone I have ever used. I was on the Palm Pre and then have used HTC Evos and One until now. The usb port on my HTC One will no longer hold a cable to charge (2 friends are having similar problems) HTC and sprint wont fix it. So I was attracted to apple because of apple care. Best warranty around. After using using the phone for over a week I like it a lot. I miss my back button and a few other things from android but this is a great phone and android loyalist should give it a shot. The 1GB Ram is a bit ridiculous thoughcenthar - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
To give up my phone would be like getting shipped off to North Korea... No Thanks! I like my freedom!elian123 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
How do you judge the in-hand feel and size of the iPhone 6 compared to the new Moto X?toukale - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Man, android fans are livid with this review. Here is the thing, the fact is the current mobile world have apple's hand all over it, whether you want to admit it or not. All current smartphones are using templates from 2007, nothing and I mean nothing has change from that fundamental truth. The current Arm chips that's in everyone smartphones have apple written all over it, it was founded by apple and ARM holdings and served as the basis for the Apple Newton in 1994. Apple sold a lot of their stake when the company ran into financial trouble in 1997. Apple still own a big stake into ARM even today, which might explain why they were able to get 18-24 months jump on everyone for the 64bit ARM chip. This is why most android fans are mad, they just don't want to give apple any sort of credit no matter what. Look, unless android change the current mobile market as far as how we are currently using our smartphones, Apple will always have those things as the pioneer of the modern smartphone. I will not hold my breath for it either since no one in the android camp have the clout for that kind of industry change movement. Have you ever notice what android fans count as revolutionary, NFC, bigger screen, 3gb ram, really! Those things are not android inventions, the NFC is the worst, because it is a standard that's available for anyone to use, but according to those android fans, it is their invention /s. How about market defining things, like you know, forced the industry from bb and their clones blackjack to touch interface. Shifting away the carrier stronghold from pre-2007 to what it is today. Although android undid all of that by shifting it right back to the carriers (thank you google), which is why android still needs carriers to approved their updates.KoolAidMan1 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Android fans are always livid.They make console fanboys look mature.
rUmX - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
That's one really ugly phone. My old Moto X looks nicer with thinner bezels too.kyuu - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Agree. There's no accounting for taste, but I just don't get what about this phone is supposed to be attractive.PeteCFS - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
The FFT plot comparison is a bit misleading. The iPhone is shown in dB while the M8 is shown in Vrms. Can you put the M8 plot in dB please?cheinonen - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I will get the iPhone one posted in Vrms as well, but I don't have the M8 available to update the plot. Neither the scale, nor the spurious tones, really change, and I want to use dB going forward. It actually might change to be from 0-10kHz in a linear format instead of log as well, because it's easier to see the data that way.Wolfpup - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Between the defective lightning port (on all devices, not just the 6) and the defective design of the 6 that allows it to bend when it shouldn't, I'd never buy one of these...But I have to again register my view that Apple is continuing to make a GIGANTIC mistake by not having an inexpensive model. Microsoft over a year ago showed you could make a perfectly fine smartphone and sell it for $100...much less what you can do at $200 on up, but Apple continues to compete only in the $450+ range...which of course means their market share has declined year after year.
And with a declining market share of course comes less exclusive programs, less 'we launch first on iOS' programs, and less revenue from programs and media.
This is Apple so I wouldn't expect them to hit $100 even though they easily could have a year ago with a perfectly solid product...but why the heck didn't they at least launch the 5c or something like it at $200? Or $ 300 a year ago? Even if they wanted to be silly and stick their dual core A9 platform in there and sell it at $300 (nevermind that last year's Nokia 520 cost $100 and used Krait), that STILL could have helped them significantly hold on to market share...maybe even gain some back.
Speedfriend - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
@WOlfpupThe entire Apple business model is based on their closed ecosystem, this is what attracts people to spend $950 on an iPhone. As Android and Windows phone fall in price, the ecosystem will be all that allows Apple to continue earning crazy margins. If you degrade that ecosystem with a cheaper iPhone, a signficant proportion of users will move to the cheaper version, driving ASP down and Apple's profits down. Apple's only hope is to stay at the upper end of the market and hope they don't mess up an update, becasue if they do, that will be the end of Apple's fat profits.
SirMaster - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
What's defective about the lightning port? I have not had a problem with it ever on my 5, 5s, or iPad Air.doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Nothing, he just wanted more than one non-existent issue so he could form a 'list'.KoolAidMan1 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
There's nothing defective about it.Fanboys like inventing things to get angry about.
xmen77 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Please make galaxy alpha reviewrecklesslife85 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Android fanboys crying in the masses. Everytime Apple bring a new iPhone out it breaks the records and gets great reviews all over the place, yet they are all paid off or biased. Android isnt the problem with Android, its the idiots using it who cant accept there are better options out there that just work.Hxx - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Word. Sadly there will always be hatred but interestingly enough I dont see many bashing on the cheap low quality android phones out there, its more like android users bashing on iphones.Speedfriend - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
"Android fanboys crying in the masses. Everytime Apple bring a new iPhone out it breaks the records and gets great reviews all over the place, yet they are all paid off or biased. "Because as a lifetime Apple user, even I have become annoyed with the fact that its is missing features that should be on a high end smartphone - more Ram to stop the browser reloading (that alone will stop me buying i6), waterproofing so I don't have the dreaded mositure indicator ruining my trade in value, a sd card slot, so I can swap music or movies when I travel (and don't have to pay Apple 5x the cost of nand), wireless charging etc etc etc
If iPHone had all those features and this was a Samsung review, it would be slated..
doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Tabs don't reload on the 5, 5S, 6 or 6 plus.So stop talking crap about RAM when you don't even understand that it isn't necessary.
Waterproofing is a seriously niche requirement, it adds bulk and ugly for no benefit to most people.
If you really value SD cards so much that probably explains why you're not at all the 'lifetime Apple user' you claim to be, which probably explains why you don't have a clue about any of the recent models.
'If iPHone had all those features and this was a Samsung review, it would be slated..'
You mean like if the iPhone had a fingerprint scanner as awful as the Samsung one, it would be slated?
techconc - Monday, October 6, 2014 - link
@Speedfriend - Conceptually, I was hoping for more ram also. But that's more out of a desire for future breathing room than it is for any immediate issue I'm having. While I have had a Safari tab reload on occasion, it's so seldom and so fast that I honestly don't notice it.Having said that, it's also not exactly fair to say that the iPhone needs more memory because Android phones need more memory. These are two different operating systems with different footprints and memory requirements. iOS is clearly more efficient. I'm hard pressed to think of something I can't do due to memory limitations on iOS that I can do on Android.
In terms of performance, you're getting the top of the line with iPhone 6. Especially sustained performance where the phone doesn't have to throttle down under heavy loads. That's worth something to me. So are advertised features that actually work... like Touch ID, etc. as compared to Samsung's joke of an implementation. You mention waterproofing, yet fail to mention the port capping that's both necessary and impractical. etc, etc.
KoolAidMan1 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
They're by far the most obnoxious fans out there, nothing comes close. They can't just enjoy what they have, they also need to hate on everything else.hatty - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Why does the author wish for more RAM in final words? The author pointed out higher RAM performance in A8 in A8 section. It seems like the full-screen multitasking and tier of high-speed flash memory in iPhone 5S and 6 cater to fast RAM swapping onto primary storage WHEN storage becomes an issue. The only use case I can imagine 1Gb being a constraint is a long video edited on iMovie. Perhaps that long video would be best edited on another device. And, for that particular use case, perhaps we'll see the next version of iPad rumored to be iPad Pro contain 2Gb or more of RAM. But, as I see it, there is no need for over 1Gb of RAM on a smartphone with hibernating multitasking like iOS unless one is editing huge videos or comparing with the spec sheets or Android phones.savage_detective - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
sure, it can be argued Ad nauseam that more ram isn't needed, but i have never heard of anyone having too much ram, or that high amounts of ram has affected them negatively. the only reason there is only 1GB of ram in Apples products is cost and profit. its not like comparing a dual and quad core processor, which would impact battery life and clock speeds, its just pure profit. add 1 more GB of ram and multitasking would be fluid, Safari woudnt throw a fit ect ect. but keep all your ios products on 1GB ram for years = mad profitsblackcrayon - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
"the only reason there is only 1GB of ram in Apples products is cost and profit."Everything ultimately has a basis in cost, but I don't think it's as simple as you think- they could've easily chopped cost in many other places where they clearly did not (screen quality, custom SoC, camera improvements). I wonder why it's only cost cutting when it's someone's own pet feature that's missing?
savage_detective - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
wait so, cutting the ram doesnt save them money? if they put 2gbs of ram they save money? is this what your saying?doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Don't think you understood his point.Well, you quite obviously didn't.
Try reading it again.
techconc - Monday, October 6, 2014 - link
@savage_detective - It will be interesting to see what Apple does with the iPad. If the A8 based iPad gets more memory, then I'd suggest Apple was limiting memory in an effort to conserve power. Since power is far less of an issue on the iPad, if they keep the 1 GB, then I'd take this to mean that Apple doesn't think they need it yet. I don't think this is really about the cost of the 1 GB of memory as much as it is about power cost wasted by adding it.That said, at least conceptually, I'd like to see more memory in terms of future room to grow, etc. since it can't be added later.
lilo777 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Apple cuts cost everywhere. There is a reason why iPhones (including iPhone 6) have the lowest VBOM (bill of materials) among all flagship phones. They are literally cheap phones.doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
No, it's because the value Apple adds isn't in component cost, but component design.savage_detective - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
cool, apple value isnt in component cost but in designthats great
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can we now talk about them cutting RAM when they could go for 2GB with no user experience penalty, only a financial one?
akdj - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
Financially it cost them signficantly more to update storage by double with their R/W speeds than if would have to double the RAM packszhenya00 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Seriously, this meme of 'profits' as the motive for reducing the amount of ram has got to stop. It's so knee-jerk reactionary and completely fails the sniff test. What would it cost Apple to add another 1GB or RAM? Less than a dollar? That would barely make a blip on their yearly balance sheet, yet look at the negative press they garner year after year from it. NOWHERE else in their devices do they scrimp on costs. What makes you so sure you know better than the engineers designing the most successful computing device of all time?It's my opinion that Apple limits the RAM primarily for standby power consumption reasons. When the device is idle, RAM is THE primary power consumer as it has no ability to sleep and power consumption has not been improved at nearly the rate of other chips which are able to race to sleep faster as their clock speed and bandwidths increase. As a result, doubling the RAM has a significant effect on standby life. As it is, Apple mobile devices seem to have about twice the real-world standby life of their Android counterparts. Would more RAM improve the user experience? Maybe. But I'm not willing to sacrifice the incredible standby life these devices have.
lilo777 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
"When the device is idle, RAM is THE primary power consumer as it has no ability to sleep" Then perhaps you should explain why iPhones have had the worst standby time (iPhone 6 Plus improved on that). Too much RAM? Yes Apple is cheap. iPhone 6 (as all of its predecessors) has the lowest BOM of all flagship phones: small RAM, smallish battery, cheap screen (LCD vs more expensive AMOLED)doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
This is a logically invalid argument.Even IF the iPhone had the worst standby time, this would not contradict his original argument that RAM has a significant effect on standby life.
I hope you can work out why.
zhenya00 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
For a given battery size, nothing comes close to an iPhone for standby life. Most phones that have better battery life have SIGNIFICANTLY larger batteries. You can look at the battery tests done by Anandtech on the S5 to figure this out. The device draws 21.5mA in sleep mode (screen off). This means even with the huge 2800mAh battery it would have less than 5.5 days of pure standby (if it was used for NOTHING else). Given a battery of 1810mAh like the iPhone 6, that kind of draw would mean 3.5 days of pure standby. Even on my more power hungry 5s with a smaller battery I routinely had battery life of ~4hours use and 3+ days of standby. That just wouldn't be possible on the S5 without the oversized battery, and might not be possible on an iPhone with 2GB of RAM.lilo777 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
According to Galaxy S5 specs (http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5-6033.php... its standby time is 390 hours. That's plenty (and way more than what you came up with). I do not have the numbers but I suspect that when in standby the phone uses most energy on wireless connection. Anecdotally we know that in the areas with weak signal the phones lose battery charge very quickly. Also, having a small RAM forces iPhone to swap active applications to and from the NAND memory (save data / reload apps and data when user switches apps). NAND memory operations are more memory expensive. All in all there is no evidence that RAM size plays any significant role in battery life.kwrzesien - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Are you sure 2GB of ram would even fit on the POP? I don't know what node the ram is manufactured on, and nobody has really drilled into the die size of the ram vs the die size of the SOC, but for the phone form factor it has to fit on top. It may also drive more connectors on the SOC and it looks like the edges are already pretty full of SDRAM blocks. Personally I would like more than 1GB too, especially on the 6+, even a little bump to 1.5GB would be beneficial in those cases where swapping is happening.Now what I'm foretelling is that since the A8 for the iPads don't use POP, but have the memory next to the SOC on the mainboard, that they will have more ram. Probably 2GB, maybe more in the Pro. I expect that the A8's for iPads would be made by Samsung still, since production was rumored to be split.
Scannall - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Uh, the 'pure profit' thing again? So it's no cost at all to design your own SOC's? If it were a pure profit thing they'd just buy from Qualcomm.savage_detective - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
If its not a "pure profit" thing again, why limit the ram? The only rational explanation i've read is about idle power consumption. i have no idea how much an extra gig of ram would affect i, i would think software would hit idle battery life harder than 1GB of ram.But, I certainly dont see the connection you are trying to make between the SOC cost and limiting the ram, two completely different subjects. It feels like a false equivalence on your part. The total cost of developing and creating your own SOCs does not affect the fact that if you put 1GB of ram on your phone for years you save money instead of putting 2.
doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
The real answer is that nobody knows, but from Apple's perspective there are a number of possibilities.Power is one, not just in standby. Usefulness is another. If tabs don't reload on the 5, 5S, 6 and 6+ (which they don't), then why do they need more RAM? Engineering is another, where would they find the space, what would they have to give up to make space for the RAM.
Cost of course is a factor too, but I suspect the cost of adding extra RAM would more than be outweighed by the negative PR of only having 1. So it's probably due to the reasons above.
Klug4Pres - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
Anand and Brian were disappointed last year that the 5S had only 1 gig of RAM - check Episode 25 of the podcast from about 1:23:35 to 1:28:00.Anand reports a 20-30% increase in memory overhead for 64-bit IOS 7 (for the 5S) versus 32-bit IOS 7 (5 or 5C). He states that memory shortage was not necessarily an issue for the 5, but that he would still have wanted more.
Brian Klug references a "power penalty" from having less RAM - the reason for this is that apps in the background (or Safari tabs) get pushed out of memory and therefore have to be reloaded, which is a power-intensive activity.
Brian also states: "amount of RAM has been the gate preventing good performance on these older devices as [the OS] gets upgraded."
This is one of the major reasons for Apple sticking to 1GB. They want to give you a reason to upgrade. The smartphone market is relatively mature now, especially the high-end segment in the developed World. Therefore manufacturers must drip-feed incremental improvements to consumers, and whack them over the head with OS "upgrades" that do mostly the same thing as in previous years, but with a higher memory footprint. Older devices face getting bogged down, or if not upgraded, they will lose security patches, and run into compatibility issues as apps become targeted at the newer devices and OS versions.
We have always seen this in the PC industry, where older devices would often have remained viable for much longer had it not been for arbitrary restrictions on maximum memory size, achieved by limiting upgrade slots, crippling chipsets and BIOSes, introduction of new memory technologies creating cost increases for older memory tech, restricting the availability of the highest capacity memory modules etc. Microsoft and Intel worked hand in hand, MS coming up with ever more bloated operating systems, which required a new upgrade cycle, Intel just doing enough to keep pace. Pointless user interface tweaking is generally the favourite way of bogging down a last-gen device, but just rev'ing some APIs will also do the trick.
In the PC space, people who did not care to present an image of affluence could get by with second-hand hardware that could be obtained very cheaply. MS at least would patch their operating systems for a decade or more. In the smartphone space, you are lucky to get 18-24 months of (viable) patches, and even then only if you stick with new Apple or Nexus devices, or possibly a few Android flagships (and Motorola?). Yet the cost of a new flagship is $600 or more. The economics of this do not look very good. Maybe this is a place where Windows Phone can compete, but it would help if MS could release phones on the latest hardware - MS/Nokia have always seemed to lag behind on SoC, and there is annoying segmentation around SD cards, mostly missing on their flagships.
To be fair to Apple, what they have done this year has also preserved some value in their older devices, because a bump to 2 GB RAM would have seen app developers increasingly neglect users with lesser amounts of memory - such users presumably spend less on apps anyway.
Applebot - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Obviously the reviewer is fishing for a sweet job contract with Apple like his predecessor and site founder Anand. I am an Apple ecosystem participant (including 6 Plus) but find his glossing over of these new phones' shortcomings ridiculous and misleading. Apple's choice to skimp out once again on RAM for a 3rd new design to pad profit margins has real and substantial negative effects on both performance and user experience with these devices. Safari browsing is a joke with paltry 1GB RAM as is intensive use graphics performance. The decision to go ever lighter and thinner with cheapened aluminum design makes the phone more fragile and less durable as well as limiting battery life. Call it like it is and quit glossing over the shortcomings. I am keeping my 6 Plus because I can't give up the larger screen and am too tied into Apple ecosystem to make a switch but they are trying my patience and wearing out my good will,savage_detective - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
when will hackintosh phones be a reality ?!blackcrayon - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I don't think you understand memory usage or limits with iOS if you think 1 GB of RAM affects "intensive use of graphics" performance. Apps don't use anywhere near as much RAM as you seem to think they do.kyuu - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
So please explain the issues with Safari tabs constantly reloading on even the latest iPhones and iPads. Is it the lack of RAM or just crappy OS/browser design? It can only be one or the other.michael2k - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Applebot claimed the ram had negative effects on performance, specifically graphics performance. No one disagreed that the ram constrained the browser, only that it constrained performance and graphics performance.akdj - Saturday, October 4, 2014 - link
Good Lord! After reading this review and the tests and benchmarks of the latest iPhones ...it's HARD to believe the devestation Apple would bring down on each of its 'colleagues!' if Applebot is correct, and somehow half or a third the RAM in the iPhone is destroying its competition like this maybe it's just Apple being 'humble'. They don't want to hurt the Android camp TOO badly by increasing speeds even more;)Sorry kyuu, I'm with the others, Im not having challenges with safari reloading on my 5s or Air. In fact ...I had started a comment this morning, put the iPad up n went to work. Coached baseball, had dinner, came to the office and BOOM! Comment still in the box, no reload or relaunch of anandtech, just half my comment sitting there.
Anyway, fired up to receive my 6+. As a Note 3 and 5s owner I can personally vouch for the 'differences' between twice the cores and twice the speed with three times the RAM. My 5s ...on apps with parity destroys the UI and experience of my Note. Hell, not sixty seconds off a cold boot it's using 2.2GB! And that's without sync, background apps (of choice) or a 17 year old kid's phone. I use it solely for business, but no matter what the the task, editing video or playing Asphalt 8, the 5s and its siblings, the Air and rMini are significantly more 'fluid' overall.
Just my two cents and the 6/6+ seem faster than my A7 toys (played a while with one at Apple last evening, even put a 75 second 1080p video together and Air Dropped it to myself;). Rendering was FAST, finding my iPhone was immediate and the display is UNBELIEVABLE
As far as the whole phone itself, I'm incredibly surprised how little justice is done to the phone my 'picture' online, in a mag or on video. Totally different when you hold it and I'm pleasantly surprised
I remember listening to the 'RamNuts' a decade ago, five years ago ...and today we've got phones with. Ire RAM than baseline computers three years ago! A web page is BIG of its over 20MB. It's not the RAM that's forcing tabs to reload. It's the system itself ...no one can read 10 different sites at a time. It figures 'hey ...why not save bozo here some juice by releasing a few of these dynamic content filled sites that are eating the RAM, GPU & CPU ...the entire SoC for Lunch!
Burp it out
Release some pressure. End up with the fastest phone on the market with the best battery life and most extensive Eco system. Anyone that bases their decision on this 'idea' is silly. Developers are in the business to make money. They're NOT building apps that will run slowly on the past three years' iPhones. That's. Cool! Not to mention releasing the OpenGL ES pressure and overhead from the GPU with 'Metal!' Check out what the dudes at Unreal have done with their fourth gen engine...on iOS! Pretty astounding.
doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
'So please explain the issues with Safari tabs constantly reloading on even the latest iPhones'Um, they don't?
dmacfour - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Please tell me how many tabs you need to switch between on a regular basis.doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
'Safari browsing is a joke with paltry 1GB RAM as is intensive use graphics performance.'Way to prove in a single comment that you lied about owning an iPhone 6 Plus.
cjs150 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
This is a nice phone and, despite other comments, the review seems broadly fair.Lets talk about the design defects:
1. Minimal RAM - this is 2014 not 2008.
2. Lightnng connector - all phones should use the same mini-USB connector. Anything else is just an excuse to rip the customer off.
3. No Micro-SD slot. On a budget phone fine, on a full spec phone again this 2014 not 2008.
4. Safari - maybe others have had better experiences than me but of all the major browsers this is the weakest
Would I replace my Galaxy for iPhone 6, no - or at least not until the Galaxy died, even then I think it is overpriced compared to other phones
GeckoZ - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I agree, the tone seems fairly neutral despite what many commentators believe. Though, I wouldn't call the list you provided "design defects", they are essential areas in which apple needs to improve. Here are my thoughts:1) I do find the ram amount especially in Safari to be a limiting factor, 2GB would have yielded a better experience but I don't think it is a total deal breaker for many.
2) The price of the lightning connector is probably the biggest ripoff in iPhone's accessory department. However, I think the mini-usb's non-reversible and hollow plug design is far from being a good standard. My battery-charging case became defective when I accidentally yanked the Mini-usb cable and it broke my case's charging port; $2 cable ruined a $100 charging case. Perhaps, a new easy plug-in and pop-off usb design that's also cheap would be a better standard.
3) I agree, Micro-SD is a must for phones in this price range. Google and Apple are trying to push their cloud storage service at the expense of local expansion. Though cloud is convenient, it is still too expensive. The storage space in iPhone plays too big a factor in apple's pricing, expecting a Micro-SD slot from apple is but a dream. Maybe cheaper iCloud plan with more functionality would remedy this?
4) Safari is a very basic interpretation of a browser. I like the ad-free reader mode and the speed, though it looks dated. Perhaps, more functionality can be added.
gandhi_theft_auto - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Minimal RAM is ok if your OS is efficient enough to not need it. I don't understand how we got so far into this culture of putting spec sheets on a pedestal.Laxaa - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
You can only optimise so much before you hit a wall, and the move to 64-bit certainly don't help in this case.Scannall - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
If you don't actually understand the technology, you can either study and figure it out. Or you can cry on forums about 'speeds and feeds' (Or Ram)kwrzesien - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
1) Yes, but it still works for iOS. 1.5GB would be a huge upgrade if it fits.2) Lightning connector is fine.
3) Micro-SD slot will never happen. What *should* happen is that 16GB is eradicated as a storage size. Minimum should be 32GB, maybe 64GB on the 6+.
4) meh
cjs150 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
kwrzesien: why will Micro-SD never happen? I understand that Apple, MS and Android all want us to store everything in the cloud but many customers do not like that, partly because it uses up their data plan unnecessarily and for some because they are in areas where 4G coverage is non-existence (I have problems even with 3G coverage) - or more simply their daily commute is underground. Micro SD is an easy way to expand storage - you can get 128Gb MicroSD cardzhenya00 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Micro-SD won't happen because it's a mixed bag for user experience. The quality of SD cards is very hit or miss, even when purchased from reputable retailers. The read and write speeds are a tiny fraction of the on-board stuff Apple is using (especially in this generation of phones). What should that space be available for? Is it available for apps? If so, what happens if the card is ejected? For all of these reasons and more even, Google has gone away from sd-card slots on their mobile devices.techconc - Monday, October 6, 2014 - link
@cjs1501. More ram - sounds nice in theory, but to date, I'm not seeing capabilities on other devices that are prevented on iOS due to lack of RAM.
2. Standards are nice. Mini-USB is the wrong standard. It's not reversible and it doesn't allow as much current for charging.
3. There are security and data corruption issues associated with SD cards on phones. If you really need the extra storage, you can do so by plugging in an SD card with the camera kit connection.
4. From my experience, Safari is the best mobile browser... by far.
Gimfred - Thursday, October 9, 2014 - link
Plugging in the camera kit doesn't expand your storage; it allows you to see your pics on your idevice. Unless something has changed and I've not heard about it but the camera kit is not a way to get data off your phone/ipad.zlandar - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I hope the Android fanboys realize they are hurting their own cause with their constant derogatory comments.It's a smartphone. People are free to choose what they like.
Get over yourselves.
ninjaroll - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Android.. CHOICE and FREEDOM!!! But if you choose anything other than Android, you're an idiot fanboy.Makes total sense.
Parhel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
And if you don't use Android, we'll keep calling you sheep until you join us.2kfire - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I feel that the audio testing should be done at similar power levels. It's unfair to "punish" the M8 because it can reach power levels no other smartphone can even dream of.If you compare them that way, the M8 DESTROYS the iPhone 6. From your own charts, the iPhone 6 puts out 44.04mW into 15 Ohms, while the M8 puts out 47.63mW into 32 Ohms: close enough power-wise. That in itself is amazing for the M8 because it can drive higher impedance devices to the same power levels. Now let's compare results:
M8 i6
DNR (%) 92.074 84.155
Pwr. (mW) 47.63 44.04
THD+N (%) 0.0152 5.873
My point is this: if you want a smartphone for listening to music using earphones/headphones plugged directly into it, the M8, and even the M7, still can't be beat.
2kfire - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Chart reposted because it looks bad (Anandtech, edit or preview button please?!?):Spec--------M8----------i6
DNR (%)---92.074----84.155
Pwr (mW)--47.63-----44.04
THD+N (%)-0.0152----5.873
cheinonen - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
First, the idea of "close enough power-wise" isn't correct. Going from 33 ohms to 15 ohms should see a doubling in power. If the iPhone 6 at 33 Ohms is the same power as the M8 at 15 Ohms, the M8 is roughly twice as powerful. Also, amplifiers almost always perform at their best when pushed towards their maximum level before clipping sets in. Because of this the M8 is likely to perform worse if we set the power output to be equal to that of the iPhone 6 than at it's maximum level.If you're looking at 15 Ohms, the M8 is untouched. The iPhone 6 isn't your best choice because of the obvious clipping in the power amp with maximum loads at 15 Ohm while the M8 is just fine with those same loads. However, very few in-ear monitors are actually 15 Ohms, or driven at maximum volume with 0dBFS signals for an extended period of time. You can make the iPhone 6 clip, but if that will happen in real life is more uncertain. I don't push my headphones past half power typically, so I would never see this occur.
The M8 has more power and less crosstalk, the iPhone has less THD+N and flatter frequency response. Unless you're using a 15 Ohm load, I can't say that one is better than the other. Both are better than the Galaxy S5, that is clear in the testing, but for people with usual 32 Ohm headphones, both are going to work well.
2kfire - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I understand that the M8 is twice as powerful. What I meant is that with the M8 at 47mW and the i6 at 44mW, the power output is close enough that the comparison is more fair.With regards to the M8 not performing as well at lower power levels, I think it would. In your audio testing of the GS5 and M8 you yourself mentioned that lowering the level would help lower the M8's "high" THD+N at 16 ohm, would that not be the case here?
Either way, your final point is fair, at 32 ohm the difference is negligible, at lower values the M8 is untouched. Which is another interesting point because warlord are rated 23 ohms ;-)
2kfire - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Warlord=earpods...cheinonen - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
If one is at 15 Ohm and one is at 33 Ohm, you can't do the comparison because one is working much harder at that point. When I say the THD+N will be lower, it means lower relative to the Samsung.If I were to take the iPhone 6 and reduce the volume level for the 15 Ohm load, we likely would not see the clipping anymore and the THD+N would drastically improve. Both the M8 and iPhone 6 are being pushed to the point of clipping or beyond on this test, but the S5 is being limited so it does not. This is very different than reducing the level with the 33 Ohm load, where power output would decrease and THD+N would almost certainly increase. The only reason that THD+N would improve on the 15 Ohm test is because the M8 and iPhone 6 are at the point of clipping, which comes directly after the point of lowest THD+N with most amplifiers.
2kfire - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I understand now, so if you're not clipping there is no improvement and there may actually be some regression, lowering the power level only helps at the point of clipping.Thanks for the explanation Chris!
mrubin63 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
And that's why Android loses. It's users are geeks with low self esteem. The hate is funny and sad.kirito - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Thanks for anandtech's review. This is the most thorough and complete review in the net today with pros and cons. Overall, the iphone 6 is a solid phone as concluded.kokono - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
It's a beauty, isn't it?Parhel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I wish they had something smaller. Am I the only person left who doesn't want a larger phone? I spend 10 hours a day in front of a computer. I use my phone to listen to music, to send texts, for a GPS, and to make the occasional call. The larger screen does nothing for me except make it less comfortable in my pocket.kevith - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
+1No, you´re not! :-)
Gimfred - Thursday, October 9, 2014 - link
I use my phone like a computer and I was not wanting a bigger screen for the very reason you state. However, as there doesn't seem to be much below 4.3" any more I decided to go hard and get the 6+alkonaut - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
While I like the hardware, the elephant in the room is the ergonomics. iOS was designed for single hand use, with commonly used things at the top left corner. While I understand the launch of a phablet for customers ok with two handed operation, I can't see why the *smaller* phone should jump to a form factor that requires both hands? When I put the iPhone6 down and pickup an iPhone4, two things are obvious: 2) it's tiny 2) it's so much easier and more comfortable to use.I can't help feeling that I would get a smaller iPhone6 in a heartbeat if it existed.
Wouldn't it have been more logical for Apple to keep the smaller phone in one-hand land? Or will we see new UI guidelines that move UI elements to the bottom?
michael2k - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
The iPhone 5S is the one-hand iPhone you're looking for. See the performance charts? It's almost as fast as the 6/6+, and still faster than the competition, and it is $100 cheaper!lilo777 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
iPhone 5S is old and it shows: no NFC, no OIS, low screen resolution, no VoLTE etc. It's not a competitor to modern phones.michael2k - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
The OP didn't want a larger screen. How can you argue that a 4" screen is low resolution when it has the same DPI as the larger iPhone 6? It is no worse, merely a smaller screen per the OP's requirements for a one handed phone. Heck, the OP was comparing to the 3.5" iPhone 4!So, rebuttal:
1) Not old, performance is on par with the iPhone 6 and still faster than 'older' competing Android phones
2) Size is still smaller than the iPhone 6, fulfilling the OP's one-handed requirements
3) The 4.7" iPhone 6 lacks OIS, as well, does that make it an old phone?
4) Lack of NFC certainly makes the iPhone 5S less capable, but not uncompetitive with modern phones which are slower!
lilo777 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
I was not comparing iPhone 5S to other iPhones. I was comparing it to Android phones.michael2k - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
So why were you responding at all? The OP wanted a smaller iPhone, not an Android phone.flashbacck - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I have no intention of switching to iOS... but man that low light camera performance is amazing.StormFuror - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Man, you just gotta love all the Android obsessed Apple haters. I honestly don't get why people get so fussed about this Apple Vs whatever brand stuff. Let us like what we like and you can like whatever you want. People are so crazy nowadays. They have to go online and bash other people or bash products. Gotta love the internet :Dninjaroll - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
You have to tell yourself that not everyone commenting is around your age range. I feel like a lot of the haters are about 12-18 years of age. If they're older...well.. I feel bad for them.akdj - Saturday, October 4, 2014 - link
I think you nailed it ninjaThe 'age & ambiguity' question. As well as age, the differences between generations and what 'we‘ had available (I'm 44) when growing up vs the 'gen Y' mid 20s-mid 30s (I think the higher end still appreciates both or the 'big three' for what they are ..not crapping on what 'they're not'). Then weve got the 'kids'. I'd even go so far as to say 12-21/22 year olds. As the 22 year old SAW the impact the Iphone had in 2007, the 'actual' Android fight 'start' in 2008 at 15 & 16. They were graduating and going into college or vocational training when the iPad broke and the Xoom filled (tablet computing). They've seen in their 'formative' years the evolution of HiDPI displays and developed personal opinions about their extremely 'personal' devices (I've got teenagers! Yikes, believe you me when I say their 'personal' devices:))
Baby boomers, X & late Y didn't have cell phones growing up. Drug dealers and executives had pagers and computers were computers. They weren't 'connected' with the Internet (mainstream) and we paid a LOT of money for our Apple or Microsoft software and OS Updates. The incredible sea change Apple and Google have brought to the consumers and the masses regardless of income levels, location in the world and/or from developing countries ...they're penetration is significant. Obviously there are countries with their own restrictions, etc... But maybe they're the 'smart' ones for now...look at what the NSA/Patriot Act has done for the USA and her relationships even with our closest allies!
We're still at the infancy of 'mobile' comms/computers and connectivity. These iPhones ARE computers. The G3, Z3, S5 or 5s/6/6+!!! All of them. I think as we age, we remember. It's easier not to take for granted the way technology has empowered our lives, folded the world in half, and the incredible benefits and convenience we enjoy OR despise with 'cellular' phones, phabs n tabs! At times they feel more like a leash than freedom. When you're working and paying a mortgage or two, car payments and student loans (from two decades ago or current kids going into post Ed), groceries and 'energy' (from gasoline to heating gas, cooling electricity or your battery in your fell phone of choice), groceries and your kids' entry fees, new 'cleats' and mitts, pads and summer camps....THEN you'll get it. I'd bet dollars to donuts (such a dumbass saying, very unhip I know;))
As you age, technology will continue to evolve. Much of what we enjoy today is a direct and absolutely traceable line to developments during the 'Cold War'. Whether Russian or American, Chinese (anyone see their Olympics in Beijing? The opening and closing cereminies, etc? Kind of brings a new meaning to 'made in China' than it had when I was younger. IMHO they blew London completely outta the water ymmv as always)
Point being there isn't 35+ folks on this board waging this ridiculous Holy War between OEMs or OS's. There ARE paid folks from both sides as again, social media in the last decade (another 'new') has become JUST as important as their thirty and sixty second TV spots, sponsorships or product placement in movies! It's HUGE. & IMHO a VERY important and crucial element in a free internet society to have sites like Anand's ...that he's passed along to Brian and Ryan and the rest of the crew. I've been here for years and have ALWAYS found what I've come for. Objective measurements and subjective reviews. We're all human. If we're reviewing a product its in our nature to 'add' our opinions now and then
To me, as a user of OS X and Windows, UNIX, Android and iOS ...I feel like ANYone limiting themselves so blindly to what the 'enemy' is doing is ignorant, young and/or unemployed (if the latter, I feel for you if you're looking...but if you're lurking on forums like these zealots are they're NOT looking for employment. If you're out of work, you can spend 40-50 hours a week 'Looking' and in most developed nations...in other words ANYone that would criticize the other camp and not appreciate what they've already got)
At the end of the day, it Samsung making Apple work harder. Cupertino making MtView work harder and ALL of them starting to reap the awards Microsoft seemed to 'leak' off over the past 10-15 years. We're no longer in an X86, workstation at your desk on the 'intranet' to collaborate with a fax machine to send the final product. If you don't remember those days, it's tough to take these complaints seriously as my 5s and from the time I've spent with the 6/6+, my Air and retina mini all have a 'place' in my life. And every ONE of them is faster with quicker connectivity and MORE software available than at ANY point in my life and I'm only, hopefully half way to the finish line. As you age, you'll understand what I'm saying
That said ...If you're 44 & @ (mom's) home, in the basement, without a gig, and feeding your spiders backing these DBags arguing 'physical, objective, and factual' measurements of performance in the review....it's YOU that needs to reexamine your life and priorities.
Love is family, kids, coaching and watching them grow, through good times and bad. It's the iPhone, the S5 or Note 3 you're carrying that's capturing those memories. Ten years from NOW, there won't be a 'lightning' connector. An iPhone 6+ or Note7/G7 or Z8! USB will be dead and history is indicative of the evolving future, only us 'old folk' will be using Facebook ...but giving it our BEST shot to 'learn' to new and HIP MySpace, Netscape, AOL or today's Twitter and Facebooks
Remember kids, it's US, and my parents (your grandparents) that built this shit for you. Not YOU! You're reaping the benefits of the fruits of our labor. If you don't get out from behind the 600 dpi display you're so passionate about ...or get out of the house, learn how to ride a bike like Tony Hawk, snowboard like the 'Tomato' or innovate like Gates, Jobs and that snot nose kid from Stanford....young 'Zuke', you're futures are going to suck
Don't be a slave to your tools. Let them work for you, choose what best fits your idea and vision and occupation and you'll find out soon there's a helluva lot more to life than MHz, GB of RAM, and PPI determining what you can and can't see. As your ears fail you so, too, will your eyes and damned if I can't tell the difference between the '6' &6+, the new HTC or my Note 3/5s, Air or mini! All different, ALL a helluva lot better than my green/orange monochrome displays I was 'working' on in the early 90s, how incredible '16 color displays' were and the transition from cathode ray tube 'monitors' to LCD and LED/AMOLED/Plasma displays showed us the difference between our VHS tapes, 480p DVD collection and the BluRay, 1080p displays. Now packaging those pixels into the palm of your hand is absolutely, and genuinely AMAZING. Nothing short of true miracles in engineering
My dad graduated in 1972 with his bachelors in electrical engineering. Did it with a slide ruler and drafting kit he's still got today and the same kit myself and two of my three younger brothers took through engineering school with our TI calcs that did it all (early 90s), and my first 286 after my Apple IIe & IIc run. As a baby with the 8086 processor perhaps those of us born in the early to mid 70s and earlier are more 'appreciative' today than the younger generation. We're more patient, we've gained wisdom and most importantly we 'lived' without the Internet, with corded 'dial' phones (when I was a kid we had a party line...and only had to dial FOUR digits locally lol! Small town in northwest Montana). To me, I really HOPE there's youngsters as intrigued by ALL forms of operation systems and is the new 'Edison, Tesla, Carnegie or Jobs/Zuke/Gates' of a future era. Redesigning in his or her 13 year old mind an OS that's a 'learning OS'. Through the millions of lines of code to boot to the desk, half can be elimated as it learns YOUR usage and 'needs' ..that conforms to the individual and their needs ...regardless of how basic or how 'tough'.
We run and have for over 20 years an audio and video production business. My wife and I are both experienced, high performance rated pilots and live in Alaska. It's paramount we fly with the business as we're living in an area nearly the physical size of the entire lower 48 with over 3 million lakes (sorry Minnesota, but we do only have just over 10,000 rivers;))---& more coastline that the ENTIRE CONUSA. With a pair of roads. No access without a plane or boat, or big balls and a four wheeler or snow 'machine' (it's Alaskan for snowmobile;)). We've been lucky enough to work with plenty of the largest cable and network broadcasters on documentaries and 'real TV' (not reality). Whether following the Troopers, fishing for crabbing on the ocean, flying into single resident 'zip codes' in the dead of winter with 2400 pounds of heating fuel in the plane with ya, it can be a kick in the ass and iOS has changed our operations in the last half decade for the better. Filing my FP, deciding how much fuel, traffic and weather conditions as well as updated Jep charts, plates and diversions ...it's becime my kneeboard, fifty LB flight bag, manuals and checklists, as well as maintenance and troubleshoot instructions ...ADSB and TCAS, 3D terrain mapping and tradfic following, it's a BIG change. While the Note 3 works GREAT for sketching rigging points with structural engineers, etc. The rMBP has been an absolute Home Run for us as has the new Mac Pro at the studios. We use several HP and Dell workstations as well, both systems are awesome and I think I'm one of the few enjoying Win 8.1 ...bought an HP 2in1 for about $750 and I've got a 13" core i5 slate with an SSD.
Way TL/DR; youngsters don't be afraid to open your eyes and think for yourself. Try everything. Use what your need and stay away from the internet when you've made your chouce for a couple of weeks:). Something better is ALWAYS around the corner but each and every choice available today is better than yesterday's. Guaranteed
timbo24 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Great review, thanks for the hard work.gevorg - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Very nice to see audio tests, just another thing that makes Anandtech reviews unique.paul4na - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Unique? If you want proper phone reviews with detailed benchmarks then go to GSMArena.doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
LOL. You made a funny.slatanek - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
still no sign of Windows 10 event...Chaser - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
As objectively as I could I took up Costco on their 14 day return policy and tried the iPhone 6. I owned the first iPhone and had been Android flagship type ever since.Bottom line: compared to Android the iPhone does less. After 5+ years the interface is STILL the same square blobs that float on the screen. No shortcuts. No app widgets. Install a new app and it is placed in the next open spot with all the other square blobs. I liek how I can use shortcuts for my higher use app but hide others in the application folder with Android.
No notification LED. My new G3 I can color code that notification to know just by sight what type of alert has popped up on my phone. Text, email, Facebook, more. With Apple you get a flash of the camera, if its upside down. What a joke.
Despite Apple "allowing" Swiftkey's new keypad its a paltry joke compared to Android's version. Chrome can also be installed but make no mistake, any links through email or text will open the default browser Safari. iMessage is still the default text client with no alternatives that provide the same functionality.
It's simple. While the Apple faithful will buy their new tech darling phones the boring, long on the tooth Apple interface does less. Android offers far more customization and openness. Back my gold iPhone 6 went to Costco and now I love my new G3. Sigh...maybe another 5 years.
Parhel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
The customization and openness is exactly what turns me off of Android. It's not the only thing, but it's the main thing. I don't want that in a phone. I spend 10 hours a day coding and troubleshooting at work. For a phone, I want something that's already set up for me. Something that I barely need to even look at to use. I don't want to tinker with it.Chaser - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I tinker with nothing if I chose. However I'd rather have those choices than Apple's divine vision of how my phone should operate.dmacfour - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
I see it as a non-issue.i can't think of a single use case in which I am hampered by iOS. In my experience, customization is largely a matter of preference, not usefulness. The default user experience of iOS is influenced by a group of scientists, so I'm fine with it.
akdj - Saturday, October 4, 2014 - link
AMEN!uhuznaa - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
As someone using both iOS and Android daily: In iOS you can configure your notifications going straight to the lock screen on a per-app basis. So instead of a notification LED just telling you that you got an email you get the screen lighting up showing you the actual sender, subject and (if you want to) the first lines of the email. I like this much better than having my phone tease me with "you've got mail, unlock me to see if you need to read it!". There's a huge difference between a teaser and a notification. A "notification LED" is just a notification for a notification, you have to DO something to see what you're actually notified about. I don't like "notifications" that don't tell me what I need to know to decide if I can ignore them or not.Android has advantages, no doubt. iOS has advantages too. I agree on the lack of configuration for default apps (browser etc.), iOS really needs this. But then Android (and WP) needs some privacy controls even more.
Still, I will never understand why people must fight over such things. Buy what you like better and enjoy it. Spewing hate and abuse in forums is so incredible childish.
Chaser - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Three little flashes of a camera flash don't tell you much. But nice try.Chaser - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Android has had pull down notifications for years. Way to catch up Apple.Parhel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
So has iOS. Since 2011, I think.blackcrayon - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Android hasn't had native lock screen notifications and won't until Android L, and we know how long *that* is going to take to roll out to the majority of the user base. Seems that anyone parroting the "only Apple needs to catch up" whine has some more research to do at the very least.doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
'Three little flashes of a camera flash don't tell you much.'That was his point. But nice try.
JeffFlanagan - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Still no stereo speakers? I'm a little bit tempted by the camera, but giving up stereo would be too much of a downgrade from my HTC One (M8)Laxaa - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I don't think well ever get stereo speakers on an iPhone(but I sure hope the next iPad has it) The camera sure is nice. Exposes images far better than my Lumia 920(though the 920 absolutely destroys the iP6 when it comes to audio recording)Chaser - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
On a positive note the single speaker on the iPhone 6 was very good.blackcrayon - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Yeah, it's much louder than the previous iPhones, I like it for audiobooks.doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
lol, stereo speakers on a phone.refineryorker - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I find it amazing that the year old iPhone 5s still dominates much newer phones in the CPU tests.And more than holds it own and even dominates some of the GPU tests.
I'd say based on those tests a year old iPhone 5s still out performs much newer phones and is the best value phone on the market. Wow
darkich - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
The main reason for the GPU (and even some CPU cases) dominance is the low resolution screen.On screen, yes, the iPhone 5S will still produce one of the fastest fps, but it will do so on a surface so small that it makes any serious gaming a masochistic excersise anyway.
refineryorker - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I own an iPhone 5s. I play games on it. It seems ok to me.No question the screen is much smaller, but I was expecting performance wise for the iPhone 5s to get left in the dust by competitor's phones, but it doesn't.
Instead in most of the cpu tests, the iPhone 5s is the third fastest phone behind the two new iPhones.
And even in the GPU and nand tests, the iPhone 5s performs extremely well on the majority of tests and even dominates a few.
I just find that fact amazing.
A year old cellphone and competition hasn't passed it on performance, and based on these tests overall the third most powerful cell phone on the market is the year old iPhone 5s.
For me that's by far the most surprising thing about this review.
Chaser - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
It doesn't take much processing power to run on a 5 year+ Leapfrog like interface.refineryorker - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I don't understand your comment.I'm not interested in a debate. I'm just responding to the performance of the iPhone 5s on those tests.
To me it is amazing how a year old iPhone 5s out performs much newer phones on those tests.
Based on those tests overall, the iPhone 5s looks to be the 3rd best performing phone only behind the two new iPhones.
KoolAidMan1 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Obsession with tweaking an interface just so you can launch substandard applications or wait for them to be ported over from iOS is something I'll never understand.blackcrayon - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
It takes quite a bit of processing power to run some of the more sophisticated apps though - multi track audio apps, video editing apps, some of the more advanced drawing apps, and of course some of the more advanced games. If all you're doing is staring at the home screen interface, then yes iOS is probably not for you. Some people prefer to run software on their device though and appreciate having one of the best SoC's around to make it possible.blackcrayon - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Is that why the iPhone 5s still holds its own near the top even in *Offscreen* graphics tests? Read the review again.doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
'The main reason for the GPU (and even some CPU cases) dominance is the low resolution screen'Nope. Offscreen tests. Most CPU tests not affected at all by resolution.
Rapha.194 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Team Anandtech Joshua Ho, Brandon Chester, Chris Heinonen & Ryan Smith.What is the daily phone you?
cheinonen - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I use an iPhone 6 (disclosure: I've bought every phone I use, none are review samples). Before that I used an iPhone 5, an iPhone 4, an iPhone 3G, and a Treo 650. When I started with the iPhone 3G there wasn't a great other option and I've had no reason to leave. I could tweak an Android phone more, but there isn't something I need my iPhone to do that it doesn't do at this point.Teeeeeeeeee - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I had heard there is a change to the vibrator for mute with this release. Did you try checking strength of vibration or audibility or the vibrating motor? I also didn't see comparisons of the selfie camera quality. Did you compare quality of the Touch ID or other scanners for speed and accuracy? I found the new iPhone 6 has good low light sensors for stuff like photographing around bright objects like trying to photograph marquee lights, maybe try photographing a sparkler or a store front at night where you want sharp bright edges and still able to see darker objects, got much better night pics this year, such as pics of illuminated Chyrsler building and Times Square ball, so surprised you didn't show as much difference with 5S as my pics last year were much more white blobs of brightness when pointed at bright sources at night last year.Teeeeeeeeee - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Have you noticed any speed differences in air drop for 5S versus 6/6+? I had heard it may have improved, seems much quicker than regular wifi over a internet connection, would like to see some info on how fast it really is...tipoo - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
So, what's with the iPhone 5 with that godly random write score?Kristian Vättö - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
We are working on explaining that. Its random read speed, in turn, is horrible, so it is likely just a matter of read/write optimization. I hope to have a more thorough explanation soon.darkich - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
I'm really surprised you haven't noticed something very off going on in the Basemark X benchmark with iPhone 6 plus, because there's simply no way it could have the same onscreen results as the iPhone 6.That being said, a great review!
Heck, reading thorough phone reviews on here has a certain stress relieving effects in my case
Hxx - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
my Sennheiser ocx 685i impedance is 16 ohm does that mean they will sound like *** on max volume? And I thought these are among the most common ones for running etc.cheinonen - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
If means if you run them at maximum volume and you have a passage of music that is at 0dBFS (absolute maximum) then they can clip. However, if you look at something like the Galaxy 5S, the iPhone 6 can be a few levels below maximum volume and still have more power output into a 15 Ohm load. Only the HTC M8 so far does more power into a 15 Ohm load.0dBFS and maximum volume likely don't occur all that often (and for the sake of your hearing, they really shouldn't), but if they do the iPhone 6 will clip. However, the only phone so far that won't clip and produce that kind of power output is the HTC M8, so it's not really a huge negative, it just shows that HTC really built a great headphone amp.
Hxx - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
thanks Chris that makes more sense. I only run the usual itunes type music on my IP5 and I doubt ill be running into this clipping issue. Just noticed my IEMs were rated at 16 ohms and wasn't sure what to think especially since I already preordered the 6. Thanks again man. Great article.Calista - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Would say it's the first iPhones I have felt tempted to buy. Great camera, battery-life in place, speedy SOC and iOS can for the first time in five years compete with Android. It's truly a complete package. Of course, we should expect one of the most expensive phones to also be one of the best.SunLord - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
God that is an ugly ass phone... Those thick white lines on the back make it look god awful should've kept it to how the 5s did it with a white top and bottom. Did they fire everyone who designed the 5s and replace them with retarded color blind spider monkeys? At least the 5s in gold looked goodkyuu - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
"I've always felt like the HTC 8X had one of the most compelling shapes for a phone, and the incredibly thin feel of the iPhone 6 definitely reminds me of that."Uh, what? The iPhone 6 is not shaped like the 8X. It's just a really thin, flat slab. The 8X has a countered back.
Not sure what's to like about the iPhone 6's design, btw. It's just a really unnecessarily thin piece of slick metal. I don't get it.
JoshHo - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
To clarify that comment, it's really the thin feel of the edge. The 8X really felt razor-thin at the edge, and the iPhone 6 has a similar feel at the edge.kyuu - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
I see, that makes a little more sense. Thanks for the clarification. Probably should clarify the wording in the article to make it clearer that you're referring to the edge rather than the overall shape of the phone.solarisking - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
You guys completely glossed over the Qualcomm modem. Didn't even put the part number in there (9625). I'm wondering what bands to these iPhone support? Do they all have the exact same chip? Exact same hardware for each service and the only difference between them is which SIM card they are provisioned with? Also, why not go with the even newer and smaller 9635? The 9625 was announced in friggin 2011 and sampled in 2012 with quantity available in 2013. Yeah, the 9635 has more features than they need but it's still newer and smaller, i.e. uses less battery.NEED MORE INFO!!!
solarisking - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
In this thread: tons of angry Samsung owners wishing Apple would bend to their will.araksonofthunder - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Amazing. A phone review with everything except how it performs as a phone. You know, that thing you do when you speak into the device and your voice comes out of another device thousands of miles away.ryanbrancel - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Yes, you would think call quality would be a high consideration. Maybe it is too subjective, or hard to test. From what I've heard the voice call quality is not that good compared to the competition. For example, it trails behind GS5 in call quality from several comparison reviews I've seen. It appears BlackBerry Passport is the leader in this area now.[email protected] - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
720p screen... no qi charging, half working NFC... no removable battery, no micro sd card support, not waterproof... cost $850... reminds me of year 2012...reviewer must be a time traveler who still lives in 2012 to recommend such a phone at such price tag.
doobydoo - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Someone doesn't understand technology. I think you're on the wrong site.DorkMan - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
BUT the phone can flex better. Where's Anandtech's review of this feature?A design mistake. If the issue were with a new Samsung phone, you can believe Apple would be laughing its head off. But it's not. Jobs would NEVER have cleared the design. That's what's been lost.
throwaway234 - Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - link
Where is the comparison to any of the Intel Atom SOC's? Would be very interesting to compare these.shm224 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
"For those that are unfamiliar with our test suite the CPU-based tests are mostly browser-based benchmarks. Once again, although I’m not quite happy with the state of benchmarking things we’re getting close to a more platform-agnostic solution."Can anyone please explain why "browser-based benchmarks" are better than CPU benchmarks and why they are listed under "CPU performance"?
There is plenty of evidence that web-browser benchmark figures varies as much as 88% from browser to browser on the same platform. And this makes it much worse than whatever CPU benchmarks out there -- GeekBench or Antutu for instance. Yet Anandtech keeps using this flawed metric, while complaining that they aren't happy. No kidding, right?
blackcrayon - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
They're still useful for comparing devices that are running the same OS and browser, such as an iPhone 6 vs an iPhone 5s. And probably somewhat useful for comparing what the benchmark is testing - javascript may just be faster on an iPhone 6 than on any other phone at the moment- whether that matters to your use case of course is another matter.shm224 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Sure, yes I understand that it makes sense to compare one product/browser line, but there is no reason to list it under "CPU performance," with other smartphones as if they are comparing CPU performances. Anandtech can omit the CPU performance altogether if they feel that there is no benchmark good enough to meet their requirement. It's that simple.MykeM - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Great review. I read it last night and the display measurement alone was intriguing enough that I went to Apple.com and see if I could reserve one from my local Apple Store. Luckily there was one in Space Grey (my colour of choice) and 128GB (a bit more than I wanted to pay). But with Apple trade in program, I ended up paying much less than I was expecting (hint: less than I would if I were to buy a Nexus 5),Coming from the iPhone 5 which itself has a pretty good display (I remember reading Chris' write-up on the iP5 display), I'm more than pleased with the iPhone 6 display. The brightness distribution (on all white background) is simply astounding. I'm still playing with the phone but so far I'm quite impressed.
Ancillas - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Gotta love the extremists flocking to either love or hate Apple. It may as well be a religious war. Xbox or Playstation, Apple or Android, AMD or Intel. Buy the products that are right for you, and be happy about it. The end.RyanBeta - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
A lot was made of the glass in the run up to this launch but I see no comment about it in the article.I am specifically looking to see if it has changed or information on the materials used over the years. When the original iPhone came out it seemed like they kept with the same glass material through 4s.
As someone who does not use a protective cover and treats my phone well it is frustrating to see the copious amount of minor scratches that have built up on the glass of my 5s in the past year or so. It has probably a hundred or so minor scratches vs the 5 or so scratches I could see on my 4s when I turned it in after 2 years.
ELPCU - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
u kidding me? Yes, RAM has power cost: TINY power cost.That's the worst excuse EVER.
power consumption of RAM is way less than that of display or GPU.
uhuznaa - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Yeah, but when the display is off and the GPU in deep sleep (like when you don't actively use the phone), RAM still needs to be powered and this can become a major part of standby power draw then. I would like to see standby power usage actually tested though. My old iPhone 4 drains about 10% battery per 24h in standby, which certainly helps with having some battery left when you actually start using it during the day.zhenya00 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Then you haven't done the calculations. If your ram draws even 5mA when idle (probably in the ballpark, but we don't really know - this study from 2010 indicates that the 128MB of mobile ram in the test device used ~1mA, 8x that much certainly uses more https://www.ssrg.nicta.com.au/publications/papers/... then the RAM alone will drain the 1810mAh battery of the iPhone 6 in 15 days. If increasing the RAM to 2GB increases that power consumption just 50% to 7.5mA, you lose 5 days of standby time! If it doubles to 10mA, you lose half your standby life, and now RAM alone will drain the battery in 7.5 days.RAM power consumption is important because it is powered 100% of the time so even tiny increases in power consumption have a large effect on the overall battery life of the device.
ELPCU - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Before reading review, I already started to read comment and it's soo fun to watch everyone arguing whether apple sucks or rocks.TheSlamma - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
it's not fun, it's patheticmjh483 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Solid review from Anandtech as always. Would you please elaborate on why you aren't willing to use iPhone 6 as your everyday phone?Torakaru - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Hello,I really liked so much your iPhone6 & 6+ reviews, but I found something interesting in your comment nowhere else found and for which I would like to have a deeper knowledge experience sharing from your side. Basically you said:
"The only flaw that the iPhone 6 has is a lack of RAM, and this is only an issue if you also felt it was an issue on the iPhone 5s."
I find it very interesting because I have being reading plenty of reviews of the new iPhone6/6+ and you are the first ones to mention it. I think that you are right, but I have an iPhone4, so I dont know. Could you be so kind to be more precise about that feeling that you have? It is due lack of RAM for multitasking, or also for single tasks?
Thanks a lot in advance guys!!!
Torakaru - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
By the way guys, if any of all of you have the iPhone5/5S or the iPhone6/6+ already and want to share also your experience regarding the possible lack of RAM (noticeable) in your daily use, please comment. Thanks! ;-)dmacfour - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Switched from a Galaxy, didn't notice a thing.Torakaru - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
Which Galaxy did you used? Because I have been reading around that 1GB is not enough and many users complaint about it (doesnt matter if iPhone5/5s/6/6+ or last year iPad's) as for instance the Safary crashes/fully reloads even after more than a couple of tabs in use.Ryan Smith - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
"Could you be so kind to be more precise about that feeling that you have? It is due lack of RAM for multitasking, or also for single tasks?"It's a lack of RAM for multitasking. At some point the OS will reach its limit and be forced to evict apps and/or cached Safari tabs. The 5S and 6 have a it a bit worse than the 5 due to the fact that the AArch64 processors in the 5S and 6 require additional RAM to be allocated to the OS to operate the 32bit and 64bit user lands simultaniously.
refineryorker - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
The other interesting thing I noticed about this review and many of the top performing non I phones is that for American consumers, a lot of these phones don't really exist to purchase on the major U.S. carriers.I visited the t mobile, sprint, Att, and Verizon websites and
The Hauwei honor 6, the Samsung Galaxy s5 broadband lte a, Nokia lumia 930, Nokia lumia 630, and the Xperia z1s don't exist on those websites.
The Samsung Galaxy s5 T-Mobile only exists for T-Mobile.
The HTC one e8 is only on sprint.
So all this means is that the List of phones that Americans can purchase looks vastly different than the top performing non iPhones on the above list.
Most non iPhones that Americans can purchase aren't top performers.
roncron - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
I've read at least 15 reviews of the iPhone 6, including the excellent review at iLounge.com. But this review is the best of them all. Very thorough and scientific. The review, while long, is also well-written and nicely organized.Ryan Smith - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
Thank you.cknobman - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
I take your battery test results with a grain of salt when it comes to actual real world use. I know they are scientific but it just seems they paint the iPhones as having great battery life when in reality it blows.We have two iPhone 5s in our house, an LG G2, a Nokia Lumia 1520, and a SG4.
In practical use the iPhone's cant even get through 3/4 of a day without being drained dry.
The SG4 can barely make it to evening.
The LG G2 can make an entire day easy but needs to be recharged every day.
The Nokia can go 2 days without being charged.
Before getting the iPhone 5s's I read reviews thinking that those things should get better battery life than the SG4, most of that opinion coming from reviews like yours. Little did I know that those thoughts were bogus.
I dont expect much more practical battery life from and iPhone 6 either. This is not isolated to my house either.
munim - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
It doesn't seem like you're trolling so think about the following factors:I'm assuming different people are using each phone. They probably have different usage habits, different apps syncing, different amount of apps syncing, maybe one person uses the phone more outdoors using higher brightness / GPS / LTE as opposed to wifi.
zhenya00 - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Without some context your comparisons are useless. I presume the phones are owned by different family members and see different usage patterns. Perhaps some of them are backup or work/non-primary phones. Perhaps the iPhones used more heavily than the others as is often the case (I have family members who own iPhones and have work provided Blackberries - I bet they'd say the iPhone has poor battery life as all but which one are they using all day and which one sits on the counter?)You could have bad backups you've restored to them that cause drains, or other problem software. My 5s tended to see about 2.5 hours of 'use' per day, and I'd tend to get about 5 usage hours and 2 days between charges. The 6 seems to be giving me closer to 7-8 hours of use, and again, 2 days of standby.
cknobman - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
I cannot give you exact usage patterns for all of the phones.BUT
The iPhone 5s's and the LG G2 are used by my 3 teenagers (two 16, one 14). They all do plenty of facebooking, instagraming, messaging, and tweeting. While non of them have the exact same usage pattern I can safely say that they are all similar. I find it ironic that the two iPhones just happen to be unable to get through a 8 hour period without losing charge. I had to buy both of those phones battery cases for my kids. The LG G2 on the other hand has never had a battery problem.
As for the SG4, that is used by my wife who is a facebook, instagram, and pintrest junky. She can drain a battery on anything in a day. Usually her phone makes it from morning until night but sometimes she kills it before bedtime.
The Nokia is mine and it gets a decent amount of use. During the day not a lot of things going on it while I am at work outside of games when Im in the restroom and during lunch. Once at home it is my primary source of access to anything digital I need. I dont touch a computer once I leave the office.
[email protected] - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
I have the same conclusion with mine. Nokia seem to last forever on tiny batteries.Drasca - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Less workload = longer charge.Since we don't know the actual workload your teenagers are inconclusive. Given literal different Apple to Win Phone app economy systems, the usage model is further blurred. For all we know, your teenagers could be using the iphone more / intensively, but no conclusion can be drawn.
Personally, I think all your family should be spending less time on the phone, but that's me.
cknobman - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
No doubt they should be on the phone less and I try my damnedest to get them off.My wife is the problem and unfortunately that is a battle I wont win. Since I dont wont a divorce I have to make concessions somewhere.
If it were up to me my kids would not even have smartphones. Right the farthest I can go is to take them away when they are making poor grades and/or get in trouble.
Parhel - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
I couldn't exactly tell from your comment if you have the 5 or the 5s. If you have the 5, though, check if your phone is part of the battery recall. Mine was, and after the replacement, the difference was night and day.cupholder - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
I have a Note 3 that would last between 10 and 48 hours on a single charge. Yes, android is that annoyingly variable in that regard. The higher numbers tended to occur once I got AutoStarts and Greenify(rooted).With the iPhone 6+, I'm getting 36+ hours. I haven't done a full rundown outside of the first day, but I was actively trying to kill it to properly calibrate the battery for the first use. It was at 36 hours of use with 14 hours of "Usage" time. No idea how much of that was screen time. With the Note, I never got more than 6-7 hours of screen time.
Note during a day of work: Come home ~30-40%.
iPhone 6+ during a day of work: Come home ~70-85%.
This includes an hour break of constant screen on time and YouTube/Crunchyroll/Netflix viewing during that hour.
So, no, the battery life on this phone IS awesome.
dmacfour - Wednesday, October 1, 2014 - link
Why do you think the performance of the previous generation is indicative of the performance of the 6+?Stimpak_Addict - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
I got an iPhone 6, and I can attest that the display is very impressive.One thing that does bother me is the scaled apps that have not been optimized for iPhone 6's larger display. Mainly the fact that it makes the size of the keyboard inconsistent with apps that have been optimized for the larger screen. Of course, this will be fixed in time as developers update their apps.
[email protected] - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
i don't know why you would attest a 720p screen as being "impressive"...imo iphone 6+ screen is much better.
ufarooq - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
Hey guys...how did you estimated SPECINT2000 score? Did you run these workloads?Ryan Smith - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
Yes. We have built a version of SPECint2000 to run on iOS. These are estimated scores because SPEC CPU2000 is retired, which means further scores cannot be submitted as official.SunnyNW - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
Interesting Apple has been able to consistently deliver a die shrink (whether half-node or full-node) each year and if Samsung delivers like promised I guess can continue that next year with the A9 but I wonder if that will be the end of the year over year improvement...dingodingaling - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
1. Is there circumstantial evidence to suggest that AnandTech are Apple Stooges?Yes, absolutely. The founder and owner of the site works for Apple and so does one of their long term “reporters”.
2. Were AnandTech motivated to be Apple Stooges?
Yes, absolutely.
AnandTech are a commercial website, funded by advertising dollars. It is in their interests to drive up traffic and views of their site.
They know that:
a. iPhone users trawl every site that says anything in advance of an iPhone launch to pick up rumours, and after the launch to view “reviews” that help them avoid cognitive dissonance.
b. Apple punish negative reviews by withdrawing access to review devices and invitations to events. http://www.cultofmac.com/255618/how-apples-blackli...
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/apple-prs-dirty-li...
c. Being punished like this will impact them severely from a commercial perspective. They are therefore commercially incentivised to have positive reviews.
3. What means could they use to be Apple Stooges?
Given we know they are motivated and incentivised to give Apple products good reviews, we can analyse how they do it. This can be in 5 basic ways:
a. Use the Apple provided product, not one they brought off the shelf, meaning Apple can tune that one device for tests;
b. Cherry pick tests where the Apple product will do well, and ignore those that they don’t;
c. Carefully select the “comparison” devices, ignoring any that make Apple devices look bad;
d. Make up tests where they think they need to cover up a hole, but ensure that no one else knows how the test works so they can’t repeat it, and
e. Make “mistakes” occasionally and assume no one will notice.
4. Is there evidence to suggest they are using these methods?
a. Use the Apple provided product, not one brought from a store randomly.
Yes we know they do this, and they admit it. Also looking at the Display tests there is evidence to suggest that the Apple provided product was tuned. They themselves had to admit their suspicions.
b. Cherry picking tests.
Yes, they do this.
3DMark Ice Storm
“On the synthetic benchmark 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited, the iPhone 6 Plus scored 16,965. While that's well above the category average of 13,401, it fell below its Android competition. The S5 blew past with a score of 18,204, as did the HTC One M8 (20,640), the LG G3 (17,548), the OnePlus One (18,399) and the Note 3 (18,321)”
http://www.laptopmag.com/reviews/smartphones/apple...
CNet finds similar results
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http://www.cnet.com/products/apple-iphone-6/
An example from Arstechnica
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More results at:
http://results.rightware.com/basemark_x/all-all-ph...
The Stooges select some of their tests (“Basemark X) but not others – why is that??
c. Carefully select the “comparison” devices, ignoring any that make Apple devices look bad;
Yes, they do this.
For the display, the comparisons for max brightness is missing phones for example the Note III which Tom’s hardware measure at 555 Nits. Why the missing phones?? Surely the Stooges have tested these.
One of the missing phones is the Note IV which displaymate tested and rated as the best Smartphone display – and their testing includes both iBends.
“The Best Performing Smartphone or Phablet Display that we have ever tested.”
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note4_ShootOut_1...
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note4_ShootOut_1...
Suspicious that its missing!
For contrast where are phones like the Galaxy S5? This comparison shows that the S5 has amazing contrast.http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Apple-iPhone-6-v...
d. Make up tests where they think they need to cover up a hole, but ensure that no one else knows how the test works so they can’t repeat it
Yes, they do this.
For battery Life their test is simply wacko – the only site that has the iBends winning battery life tests and probably due to the rigged nature of the “web browsing” test.
http://gfxbench.com/result.jsp?benchmark=gfx30&...
Tom’s hardware has also has completely different results to the Stooges for battery life and web-browsing http://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-6-battery-life,...
Phonearena also have ‘web browsing’ tests that show the iBends aren’t great
http://www.phonearena.com/news/All-bow-to-the-new-...
Arstechnica also found the Ibend battery life to be average.
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2014/09/iphone-6-and-...
e. Make “mistakes” occasionally and assume no one will notice.
Yes, they do this.
Sunspider
The iBend6+ has better measurements than on Tom’s Hardware.
Geekbench 3
The iBend6+ has worse scores on Tom’s hardware than the Galaxy S5 and Note III.
GFXBench 3.0 Manhatten Offscreen
Stooges are rating the IBend6 and iBend6+ higher than GFXBench themselves have tested it at.
http://gfxbench.com/result.jsp
http://laptopmag.com/reviews/smartphones/apple-iph...
The measurement for the iBend6+ is different on Tom’s hardware (its better!), but also different for all the other phones.
More “mistakes” for the colour temperature and gray scale accuracy are completely different in that test as well.
.http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Apple-iPhone-6-v...
vFunct - Thursday, October 2, 2014 - link
Give it up.Your Android phones area garbage. They're fake iPhones. Apple invented the modern smartphone, and all the innovations like Retina displays. Android keeps trying to copy Apple, but they're never as good or as fast.
Why get a fake iPhone when you can get a real iPhone instead?
Fake iPhones are terrible. Get a real iPhone instead.
KuyaMarkEduard - Sunday, October 5, 2014 - link
Hello Dingodingaling. Are you certain that this practice of Apple is still existing even today, as we speak?""Apple PR's dirty little secret:
Summary: Apple PR maintains a blacklist of journalists that it refuses to talk to. This includes any media outlet that posts anything even remotely negative or heaven help you, a rumor.
Apple's public relations department is notoriously tight-lipped and only responds to a limited subset of the mainstream media, and usually only the outlets that write positive things about its products.
If you dare to write an unflattering piece about Apple or -- heaven forbid -- post a rumor you're almost guaranteed to lose your access to Apple. I know this firsthand because I'm the poster child of Apple's PR blacklist. (I was part of a precedent-setting legal case with Apple in 2005, which I won on appeal in 2007 -- thanks to the Electronic Frontier Foundation.)
Say what you will about my work, but I call 'em like I see 'em.
I write good things about Apple, I write bad things about Apple and I also publish rumors when I believe that they're credible or plausible. I write about things that I find interesting and about topics that will benefit my readers. Sometimes Apple likes what I write other times it doesn't. Apple and I have classic love/hate relationship.
But one thing's for sure, I'm not an Apple cheerleader. If like reading puff pieces about Apple there are a number of websites and blogs that will gladly oblige. Or heck, just dial up apple.com/pr.
Case in point: On February 7 when Arun Thampi posted on his blog that Path was sneakily uploading iPhone user's address books to its server -- without permission -- I called and emailed Apple. Apple didn't reply. Then and I blogged about it.
On February 8 when Dustin Curtis blogged that Apple makes a standard practice of approving apps that upload the entire contents of your iOS address book to developer’s servers I again called and emailed Apple. Apple didn't reply. Then I blogged about it.
Later. Rinse. Repeat.
Then I got an idea. Since Apple PR never responds to my voicemails or emails, maybe they'd respond to the guys that do have access. So I contacted several prominent Apple pundits (who shall remain nameless) that are known for their access to Apple (some of whom get replies from Apple "every time") and I asked them to enquire about Apple's stance on enforcing its policy on address book uploads.
And you know what? None of them would do it.
(Update: ironically there's a couple of exclusive stories out today about Mac OS 10.8/Mountain Lion which certain members of the Mac Illuminati had access to a week early.)
Why? They'd probably say that Apple wouldn't comment. But someone's got to ask if they expect Apple to reply. I mean come on! Apple's not going to press release its shady developers that steal your contacts.
The fact of the matter is that most journos with access to Apple are afraid of losing it. They're afraid of asking the tough questions. They're afraid of getting blacklisted. Like me.
So then I contacted the Wall Street Journal.
There's a prominent columnist at WSJ that has lots of access to Apple. Arguably the most access to Apple. Apple loves the Journal. Apple sends controlled leaks to the Journal. Apple gives unreleased product to the Journal. Surely, Apple would have to respond to the Journal. Right?
Well guess what? Apple spokesman Tom Neumayr replied to AllThings today about the issue of developers stealing your contacts without permission. (More on that later)
Gee? I wonder why?
I'll tell you: AllThingsD is a wholly owned subsidiary of Dow Jones & Company Inc., which is a member of The Wall Street Journal’s Digital Network (which includes WSJ.com, MarketWatch, Barron's, and SmartMoney).
It's simple really. Apple needs the Journal. The Journal doesn't need Apple. And the Journal's not afraid of getting on Apple's PR blacklist -- because it would never happen.
Other wags with access, but without the clout of the Journal are probably afraid of getting blacklisted if they probe around too much -- or ask the tough questions.
My point is that if Apple PR actually read blogs and responded to queries from bloggers things like Address-gate might not explode into giant issues that end up in the Wall Street Journal. Apple could have nipped it in the bud a week sooner by simply replying to my email or voicemail with something to the effect of "yes, we're aware of the issue and we're looking into it."
Instead, Apple makes a conscious point of ignoring certain journalists hoping that unsavory issues like Address-gate blow over and that no one will notice. Well guess what, I'm persistent. And if Apple doesn't reply, I'll contact the people that I know at the Journal -- or my Congressman.
And before you cry "sour grapes!" consider this. I've been blacklisted by Apple for over 10 years. I never get invited, I never get replies. I'm long over it. This doesn't have anything to do with me. It's about you and your privacy. I called and emailed Apple PR because I care about my (and your) private contacts and I wanted to know why Apple isn't enforcing its own privacy policies.
If you don't care about developers stealing your contacts, that's fine. But I do.""
Because if so, with the iBend issue, how can now then we be assured that each and every-time Apple will say a thing about the issue, will always be true, and not fabricated?
This is indeed, an eye-opener to all the Serious tech-readers out-there…, …Of-course, this does-not include the Fanboys.
EricGee - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
If both new iPhone editions are virtually the same phone, why doesn't the 6 also have landscape view. Both these devices should have an iPad GUI. Landscape view is the most ergonomic position. Having to switch grips from portrait to landscape increases the chance for accidental drops. Landscape also decreases the likelihood for cumulative trauma which include carpal tunnel and digititis. In short, it's just easier to navigate your phone seamlessly by keeping it in your preferred orientation. Lastly, it's sad that I'm waiting for a jailbreak. My plan is not to jailbreak. But if Apple developers can't be aware to what the mass looks for in functionality, jailbreaking may be the only answer. If you would reference Infinidock, this app allows for multiple icons to be docked. Not just four icons. Making these small additions to the user interface would vastly improve the users experience. If developers aren't willing to make such adjustments, then I suggest allowing open code for Cydia jailbreak developers that will allow for users to freely mod our devices.Believe it or not, the ability to freely mod our phones to the users preference is what separates the iPhone and Android users. Hence the jailbreak... Don't patronize your loyal consumers by making such availability this coming S model.
James Wimberley - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
Anand team: Please consider adding ruggedness tests for mobile devices. Desktops spend their lives in sheltered environments, with a few heatwaves and power cuts and surges. Laptops are occasionally dropped. But tablets and smartphones are constantly being dropped, put in linty pockets, exposed to rain and coffee, bent, scratched, and connected to low-quality chargers. If you a ea SEAL, you need a different order of ruggedness, like the Toughbook. But normal consumer use is still quite deamnding.e34v8 - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
I have three main complains here.The is the screen resolution. We all know 326 ppi is far, far from enough. I have always been able to see aliasing on iPhone screens (never on my Nexus 5) and aside form that, the image is just not that clear and sharp as on a good 1080p screen. Maybe the 6+ will offer great viewing experience.
The second complain is size. Yes, I think that Apple is making the right move with bigger screen size. Better late than never. The 4.7" are not the ideal size for me, but this is a major improvement. But wtf were Apple thinking, when they made a 4.7" phone, with the dimensions of a 5 or a 5.2"phone? Why? Apple customers value compactness. Just compare it with an old 4.7" phone like the Optimus G - 131.9mm vs 138.1mm .
And last, but not least - 1gb of ram. Are Apple so greedy? This is typical planned obsolescence. I still can't believe it. 64 bit SoC and a gig of ram...
The lack of OIS or wireless charging is also not good.
This phone should cost a lot less.
blackcrayon - Friday, October 3, 2014 - link
"We all know 326 ppi is far, far from enough" - Stopped reading there. It's enough for the vast majority of people, and is certainly a better idea than making a 500 ppi phone that lags.e34v8 - Saturday, October 4, 2014 - link
Well, that's your problem. You should read someone's comment, before you reply.I agree with you. I also hate phones that lag, stutter or miss frames in the UI. That is the reason I do not like Samsung and their Touch Wiz. But that's not the case with my Nexus 5. It's totally stock, but believe me, it's blazing fast and smooth. And it still manages to have a gorgeous 455 ppi screen.
Anyway, there is no such thing as a perfect phone, but Apple could have offered much more, having in mind that it's a flagship expensive device.
michael2k - Monday, October 6, 2014 - link
1) Your eyesight is superior, most aren't nearly as good as yours.2) The Optimus G is 8.45mm thick vs the 6.9mm of the iPhone 6
3) You talk about typical planned obsolescence, yet in the same breath rave about the Nexus 5. The Galaxy Nexus from 2011 won't see either the 2013 KitKat nor the 2014 Android L, whilst the 2011 iPhone 4S saw both the 2013 iOS 7 and the 2014 iOS 8. I would expect a 2014 iPhone 6 to see at least iOS 11, and still be usable! What do you think your 2013 Nexus 5 will see?
4) OIS isn't that important, especially when it already has one of the best cameras in the industry
5) This phone already sold out. Costing less is probably the last thing it needs. Ordered on Sept 20th and expect to see my phone in October 20th.
e34v8 - Thursday, October 9, 2014 - link
The fact that my eyesight is or isn't superior does not change the facts. Ignoring or denying something, without any arguments is not productive. You say that OIS is not important and that's it. Why? I can tell you, I'm never going to buy a phone without OIS again. It's much easier for me to catch perfectly focused shots and shoot steady videos.Anyway, everyone has their own view on things. I think Apple are capable of making a better phone - with thin bezels, full HD screen, more than 1 gig of ram, bigger battery... but they chose not to. I'm not some fanboy that will blindly ignore faults. The iPhone 4 was my last iPhone. I'll continue to wait for something from Apple that's worth the money.
Oxford Guy - Saturday, October 4, 2014 - link
"With Cyclone Apple hit on a very solid design: use a wide, high-IPC design with great latency in order to reach high performance levels at low clock speeds. By keeping the CPU wide and the clock speed low, Apple was able to hit their performance goals without having to push the envelope on power consumption, as lower clock speeds help keep CPU power use in check. It’s all very Intel Core-like, all things considered."The G4 and G5 processors were wide when Intel was doing its lame NetBurst thing. The "wide and shallow" G4 in particular had low clock speeds. The "wide and deep" G5 bumped them up a bit. The "narrow and deep" NetBurst was the high clock speed awful performance per watt Intel brainchild.
Coup27 - Saturday, October 4, 2014 - link
"Fortunately, based on the USB device information for the phones, both the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus support charging with power adapters like the iPad charging block that can provide up to 2.1 amps at five volts. Using one of these chargers will dramatically reduce charge time on the new iPhones, and it's a very worthwhile investment (assuming you don't already have an iPad) for the iPhone 6 Plus in particular."If this was any other phone manufacturer they would have been lambasted for taking the cheaper route and not providing a charger which charges the battery in the most optimal time. However, with this being Apple and all, it's perfectly acceptable to ship a 1A charger and it's a "worthwhile investment" for the user to buy another charger (if they don't already have one) with a higher current to charge their phone faster.
Simply not acceptable. As much as I love this site, this review is no more than the typical Apple fodder which is trotted out all over the web. The fact that one German publication was recently struck off the media list by Apple for posting a bending video of the 6 Plus vs Note 3 shows what happens when the media dare say something negative and it's quite clear they would rather stay on Apple's good side than be truly honest in their reviews.
There was no mention in this review about half the hardware choices made here. The screen ppi was very lightly glossed over. No mention of the lack of stereo speakers or waterproofing to name but a few. Someone suggested that waterproofing adds a lot of bulk to the phone. On the S5 I would agree, however the Xperia Z3 is only 0.4mm thicker than the iPhone 6 so it can be done whilst still looking stylish.
Apple produced marketing photos where they photo shopped out the camera bump. Yet here it is described as an "interesting design choice". No mention of it wobbling all over the place when placed on a flat surface. Let's look at PDAF. Given virtually no time on the S5 review but a full explanation given here. The S5 review was also 10 pages long written by 2 people, this is 14 pages written by 4 people.
Sometimes you can't move on the home page on this site for articles about Apple, yet there has been nothing so far, not even a pipeline story about the disastrous bugs coming out of iOS 8.
Add to this the badly managed silent departures of Anand and Brian to Apple, I don't think there's much point reading Apple reviews any more.
tralalalalalala40 - Sunday, October 5, 2014 - link
1) Everyone charges overnight, no difference to user experience.2) No proof that german media site was struck off some magical list.
3) ppi does not equal quality. (Unless you believe more MP is better, then please just go buy a lumia)
4) no phone is water proof, it's a range of water resistance.
5) no proof that apple photoshopped their own marketing material to change the camera design
6) no one uses their phone with the back flat on the table
7) every OS has bugs, the issue is that apple actually gives out upgrades (que the majority of android users still stuck with a massively susceptible default browser). You won't hear about android L issues because it will take 2+ years to be on 20% of android phones.
8) employees change jobs. everyone knows about it, do you want a NYTs editorial about it?
9) if you want non-scientific reviews go to cnet.
Coup27 - Sunday, October 5, 2014 - link
I can't decide which is worse. The answers in post, or the arrogance.1. Not true. People's lives are all different. To suggest everyone's phone can last until they go to bed is a massive generalisation. The supplied charger should charge the phone in the most optimal time, regardless when the phone is charged.
2. http://blog.gsmarena.com/apple-completely-loses-pl...
3. Why are you talking about two different things? ppi is clearly directly related to quality. You could have the best panel money could buy but if the ppi was 96 on a 5" screen it would look terrible. It is now widely accepted, and even mentioned in this review that ~450 ppi is a perfect balance between resolution and battery life. MP has no relevance in this discussion.
4. There are many IP67 phones which are immersion proof up to 1M for 30 minutes. There are now IP68 phones which are immersion proof beyond 1M for 30 minutes. If they phone can be dunked under water, that's water proof.
5. http://blog.gsmarena.com/apple-iphone-6-features-c...
6. Do you speak for everybody in the world?
7. KitKat and Jelly Bean account for over 75% of Android devices. (Google it if you want the source). Yes, budget phones are often left behind in software, but that's because they are budget phones. People sign up for that experience when they pay a fraction of the cost of an iPhone or Android flagship.
8. Anand moving to Apple should have broke on this site, not every other tech site. Anand has gone on for years about openness and honesty. Where was it then? Brian disappeared completely and despite multiple requests, nobody would say where he had gone. That news was also broken by other tech sites. It was like AT had something to hide. Nobody would have really cared if they had gone to Apple, so why do it in the shadows.
tralalalalalala40 - Wednesday, October 8, 2014 - link
1) If you need a phone to last an inordinate amount of time get the charging cases.2) Hoax, they are invited to the ipad air 2 event: https://twitter.com/CB_Telzerow
3) false, if samsung released a 5000 ppi phone that was slow as hell (like the note 4 is http://appleinsider.com/articles/14/10/04/samsung-... ) how is that high quality? iPhone 6 was proven to have the best color which is more important than pixels you can't see.
4) yep, you can get a case for this if this is your thing. there is more choice with apple here since there are 1000x as many cases to suit your need. (with android you are locked in to what the device maker makes since there aren't that many niche cases)
5) thanks for the proof. no photoshop just choice of angles. go look at the apple website for many angles of the bulge if that is your thing.
6) in this case yes, it's not ergonomic to use the phone that way. it's why droid makers gave up on the kickstand
7) that number is for those that use google play (which accounts for <8% of all android phones, lol)
8) name another news site that had a going away article by one of the employees. especially one going to work for a company that requires employees to not bring attention to themselves (think non-compete)
thanks
gonsolo - Monday, October 6, 2014 - link
I'd like to see a benchmark of app startup times since this is where I have to wait most of the time nowadays.tralalalalalala40 - Wednesday, October 8, 2014 - link
http://www.cultofandroid.com/69538/iphone-6-multit...iphone 6 is blazing fast. note 4 needs 32 cores to compete.
falc0ne - Tuesday, October 7, 2014 - link
"In battery life, once again Apple has managed to successfully maintain good battery life despite a relatively small battery capacity". Seriously? Since when iPhone has a good battery life. You can never go through the day with one. Everyone knows that. Sorry guys but ain't buying that. If this is good, then what does that make Xperia Z3? Good of Thunder in battery? :)falc0ne - Tuesday, October 7, 2014 - link
**God of thunder:) autocorrect dictionary typo . anyway...you get my pointHook Em14 - Tuesday, October 7, 2014 - link
Wow...hardcore Android fanboys have to be some of the most ignorant, illogical, and pathetic people around.Toss3 - Wednesday, October 8, 2014 - link
Just because some people question the integrity of a website claiming to do objective measurements of a device's performance, doesn't mean that they are idiots. Quite the opposite in fact. It would be great if Anand changed the way they do their battery measurements (they do not reflect reality, and aren't comparable to other sites' results (should already be enough for them to question the way they do it)), and also dropped the browser benchmarks from the CPU performance section (browser performance != cpu performance, unless both phones are running the exact same version of the browser on the same platform (we know that chrome on iOS isn't the same as Chrome on android etc.)). And measuring the display brightness when setting the brightness manually also isn't ideal, as Samsung limits the peak brightness on their devices for those occasions, which means that the true peak is a lot higher (setting the brightness to automatic solves this issue(think quite a few people prefer auto to manual)).Toss3 - Wednesday, October 8, 2014 - link
Forgot to add that it would be great if they included a reference for the photo and video comparisons (D800 + color correction). There's also a big discrepancy between the time the photos were taken (around 8pm for all androids and 10pm for the iPhones (why is that?)).tralalalalalala40 - Wednesday, October 8, 2014 - link
To make it harder for the iphones under lower lighting to make the test more fair to droid phones.Toss3 - Thursday, October 9, 2014 - link
Lighting conditions should always be equal for all devices, and sometimes 10pm can be brighter than 8pm.tralalalalalala40 - Wednesday, October 8, 2014 - link
Samsung has to limit the brightness or else the pentile pixels will burn out quickly...How should they do the battery measurements? Apple has the most efficient SOCs and are destroying default QComm chips everyone is using.
Toss3 - Thursday, October 9, 2014 - link
Automatic brightness and normal usage would be best (playing a game for 2h - calling someone for 1h - browsing the web for 1h - installing 30apps, etc.). Being on both wifi and lte throughout the day.Toss3 - Thursday, October 9, 2014 - link
And the Exynos 5433 would like to disagree - currently on the launch firmware and already outscoring everything else (Geekbench scores over 1300/4300 and gfxbenchmark/sunspider numbers that match those of the iPhone 6). The 3DMark numbers are also higher than those of the iPhone 6.taehoon - Wednesday, October 8, 2014 - link
I want to know iphone6/6+ NAND performance test is based on 64 or 128GB.Because It is extremely higher than any other devices
Toss3 - Wednesday, October 8, 2014 - link
Why are you still running browser benchmarks when testing the CPU? You'd think that a site like Anandtech would know better (the difference between Samsung's own browser and Chrome is huge http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=557... How about running something like 3D Mark's physics benchmark instead? Basemark is a lot better than browser-based ones, but do we know if the benchmark performs equally on both platforms.tralalalalalala40 - Wednesday, October 8, 2014 - link
People commonly use the web browser on the device to browse the internet with their phone. Their other tests cover the 3D physics (which the iphone doesn't excel at, since most if the users of this phone aren't simulating physics problems).iPhone 6 is destroying the competition at the moment, samsung just dropped 10% in profits, they have to go back to making RAM, this might be their last high end phone release on android, they need to move to tizen.
Toss3 - Thursday, October 9, 2014 - link
The browser benchmarks would make more sense if they used the stock browser on all the devices, not just on the iPhone to make it look good. The Note 4 for instance is scoring around 350ms with its own browser, while on Chrome it is only seeing 800ms. The results should also be in a separate "Web-browsing performance" section instead of the CPU performance one.thackr - Thursday, October 9, 2014 - link
Does anyone else see the green dot lens flare shown here on their iPhone 6? http://www.alternapop.com/2014/10/02/iphone-6-lens...The0ne - Friday, October 10, 2014 - link
"At this point, it’s not really possible to revolutionize the smartphone..."Stopped when I got here. I don't usually cuss but you have got to be shtting me for making such a statement. In your effort to try to write a unbiased review you are already stating that for whatever the reasons the phone may lack it is because nothing can be improve so it's a great phone. I officially hate all your Apple reviews now. This is sickening for any professional engineer to digest.
JC86 - Friday, October 10, 2014 - link
@TheOne: Engineers are constantly tweaking and refining the software and hardware for a better UX and that refinement is great but the bottom line is the modern smartphone as we know it have not had any revolutionary advancements in years. It's a mature product category, plain and simple.tralalalalalala40 - Friday, October 10, 2014 - link
So you're one of those that thinks cars are changing massively every year. "THE BRAND NEW REVOLUTION IS HERE FOR A LIMITED TIME"sgmuser - Sunday, October 12, 2014 - link
"and how Apple’s SoC development is now synchronized with the very edge of semiconductor fabrication technology." You are not kidding right! :-) Comparing Intel's 14nm chips, I still believe Mobile phone SoCs are not coping up with the latest tech. m2c. Samsung (with Exynos) atleast jumped a bit...comparing QC SD or Apple Ax series.Pandian - Sunday, October 12, 2014 - link
Actually, Intel is not in making chips, 14nm or 20nm, for cell phones at large! Such a big company with capacity to supply designer boards to any manufacturer in the handheld 3inch or 12 inch device - and still staying away!Pandian - Sunday, October 12, 2014 - link
Compare these - Apple, etc. and All Pharma! 2-5% on actual R&D by pharmaceutical companies, (esp., the ones pricing cancer and Hepatitis C drugs) and about 95 % on marketing (read bribing the Medical industry - that includes "respectable life-saving Doctors") - vs 20-50% profit by tech companies (Apple, Samsung, Lenovo, HP, etc.) on products made from R&D from this decade! Without the slave labor of China and such countries, even that profit is not possible! Today's pyramids and Taj Mahals!Drugs: Most of these drugs were "discovered" decades ago in govt. research facilities - somehow, they are private intellectual properties today! Even anti-helminths (drugs for cattle parasites) costing ~$1-10 for 1000 pills, suddenly cost up to thousands of dollars each pill, because their anti-cancer capacities were "discovered" as side-effects! Even aspirin, made in third world countries and sold here, costs about ten times from a decade or so ago, due to price fixing!
Your life or $200,000 - pay-up or die, if you have cancer or Hepatitis C.
The target is larger with cellphones and computers - hence the bigger market value of the companies!
Even within the tech industry, the profit of $200-300 for each device is paid once every three years or so - the cost of gasoline for a car is more than that in 2-3 months! The actual leaches that cost the consumer are the cell and cable/satellite companies - thousands of dollars a family in a two year contract! USA still charges the highest fee for cell plans, voice, text and data - taking a bite at each end of the link, i.e., the caller and the recipient!
And, we whine more about the cost of these hand-held toys - that is the purpose and use of most of these "smart" devices! Truly important communication via voice, or the equivalent of the Morse code or ham-radio, is so small - not worth taking care of while driving a 4000+lb missile at 55 to 80 mph!
Both Apple and Samsung will take a dive in the next 12 months
A millionaire on CNBC talked about not being eligible for a phone upgrade for another year - and therefore not having hands-on experience with the recently released phones, Apple, HTC, etc.! That is how you stay rich!
The post seems irrelevant! No! The basic premise of most of the posts here are about MONEY!
xmen77 - Monday, October 13, 2014 - link
There can not be "ideal 6500k" if the other LCD in this all badalso
phonearena.com/reviews/Screen-comparison-iPhone-6-vs-Galaxy-S5-vs-G3-vs-One-M8-vs-iPhone-5s_id3810
this is "ideal 6500k"?
thrasher32 - Tuesday, October 14, 2014 - link
Yeah I'm just gonna say it: Apple is the Bose of mobile electronics, only those who don't know any better buy that junk. Hey it's your money feel free to waste as much as you like.annah_souls - Tuesday, October 28, 2014 - link
Yes, it's my money and I have a lot of them to buy as much as iPhone as I like. If you don't satisfy Apple product, you may not but $2000 handbag also. Pity you to yell Apple "The world is not fair!" LOLDonkey2008 - Wednesday, October 29, 2014 - link
People with intelligence don't buy purely on specs, which it seems 100% of Android owners do. I can just picture you like the many Android fanboys I have met....."Deeeerp, it has foure cores witch iz twice as mony as en iPhone so itz twice as fast, Deeeerrp".Enjoy your clunky, resource-hog, half-baked Google OS, your extremely inefficient hot-and-crispy quad-core space heater SOC (which has to be throttled by Android so the phone doesn't melt LULZ) and premium plastic-wrapped junk.
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iphone 3 - Friday, October 31, 2014 - link
I am wondering if you guys have similar analysis for ipad air 2 A8xodedia - Tuesday, November 4, 2014 - link
Please check the NAND differences between the 64gb model and the 128gb model. It appears the 128gb model uses TLC and not MLC.curiosity - Thursday, November 6, 2014 - link
output power / voltage: per channel or combined?sellcheapli - Monday, November 24, 2014 - link
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raj parihar - Tuesday, November 3, 2015 - link
mcf doesn't have any Multiply operations. In A8, its benefiting from a better (tuned) prefetcher possibly with negative (-3 or -1) stride.