Why are there so many fans in front of, next to, and behind the hard drive/PSU section (bottom half?)
Seems like fans should either just blow in to create positive pressure (making the rear bottom fan pointless) or fans should be focused at the top or upper rear. The whole cooling design seems bass ackwards.
Too bad the GPU power connectors were again an afterthought, this isn't their first V35x case that has almost no space for the PCIe power connectors. This also excludes any card that goes outside of the PCIe specifications.
I also don't get the slimline optical drive, a computer these days doesn't really need an (internal) ODD, but now you have an ugly design in the front where 4x 120mm fans could have been installed instead of two.
HTPCs still have a lot of reason for an ODD, and that is certainly one of the market aims for something like this. I have a Blu Ray burner in my HTPC (XBMC) system for playing/ripping.
You can but it would not look "good" in an entertainment center. Also for an HTPC I would skip any spinning storage and use a NAS for my movies. Now this would make a really good NAS box.
Cool looking case, Saw a preview video a while ago which mentioned the issue of no bottom air intake hole for PSU, yet Lian-li still did not fix this issue. :(
The Side IO is forward of the mobo, so it shouldn't be a factor in width. The width looks like it was set by having the second 3.5" cage go sideways to give more clearance for the PSU.
For the Side IO I think cbelle was refering to the fact you will need to leave space to the side of the case, which can be an issue with things like placing in a home theatre cabinet or other small space
The width is because they left space for a radiator next to the motherboard.
Nice! I should consider an mATX build next time. I'm just always concerned with space for dual GPUs. Oh, and I'd love a case with no openings in the front. I haven't used an optical drive in years.
Super convenient open function; allows simple access to many components, especially storage. Thanks for the links to their other cases; I'm interested in a Mini-ITX case with more style this time.
As the previous poster noted, there is not much room at the top for the pci-e power connectors. This case will definitely require a reference blower design more than likely. A Gigabyte Windforce or MSI Gaming card will not fit I am pretty sure. Before getting this case, better measure the height of the GPU.
There is no reason to get something like this instead of the cheap, awesome, and small Rosewill Line-M. You won't find a tinier mATX case that supports full-size cards, it's 50 bucks, and is rated 5 eggs on Newegg with 92 reviews. I have the Silverstone PS-07 and love it, it's also much cheaper than this Lian Li, but the Line-M simply looks unbeatable.
I really don't know why'd you say that. Lian Li's are for people who actually appreciate clean looks. I miss the Cooler Master of old. They used to make good cases.
Lian Li is simply overpriced, and the quality isn't always up to par. I don't see anything "cleaner" about the look of this than something simple like the Line-M, except for material choice.
I used to own a PC-V354B and it didn't work out for my build in the end at the Z-height of my GPU could not fit into the lower zone. I have an ASUS Radeon 6850 and the heatpipes stick above the PCB so cases like this are quite limiting to your compatibility with large GPU coolers. Lian-Li made amazing progress with this case:
-No more 80mm fans -More drive bays than ever before (8 in total) -Easy case access, previously removing side panels required 6 small screws to be removed per side -AIO cooler space for a rad
I'm pretty well settled on Silverstone cases but if Lian-Li can keep on this course they might win me back
I currently own a v354b and its one of the best cases ive ever built. When building something small like it you really have to plan ahead. I also have a Asus direct cu 6850 and it fits perfectly.
I'm not sure what's going on in Lian-Li land, but their latest cases are just missing the mark IMO.
Coming in at 36L volume, this thing is just huge. And I find it quite ugly as well, looking like some sort of Minecraft block-head sitting on your desk, taking up most of the space on your desk as well.
If you want this for HTPC, it just doesn't cut it. Silverstone GD08 is gigantic, with EATX capability, and it comes in at 33L in a much better form factor for HTPC. There are many many much better options for HTPC.
For a desktop, again, this is just going to take up too much real estate. You have the Silverstone SG10 available at 23L and a much better desktop form factor.
Sure, this one has the double-deck design with built-in water-cooling capability, but IMO the trade-off in size is not worth it. A much better executed design with this approach is this one by Abee of Japan (http://www.abee.co.jp/Product/CASE/AS_Enclosure/W5... - wish these were available in the states.
Overall, I've been disappointed with Lian-Li's latest. This year's PC-Q27 and 28 were just too big. And the latest cases on their website (this one plus two more out there now - the PC-Q33 and PC-Q35) all have at least one major fatal flaw that would prevent me from buying.
In my view, their best cases to date have been the generation that produced PC-Q12, PC-Q18, PC-Q25, and PC-V354. I own a PC-Q25 for a home server and love it. Unfortunately, the latest generation is just not up to snuff.
It's very disappointing, because building with a Lian-Li case is always a pleasure, but they need to tighten up their form factor designs if they're going to continue to win my business.
V358 fills a completely different category to those Silverstone cases. The GD08 is a desktop case with a huge foot print. The SG10 only has 2x 3.5" bays and smaller intake fakes. Neither of the silverstone cases support large radiators and both are far more difficult to work on than the hinged design of the V358
The V358 isn't perfect but it fills a niche that doesn't have many comparible options at the moment. If Lian-Li follow release a follow up model with a few minor tweaks this case could be awesome. Personally I would like to see the front fans positioned higher, so most of the intake goes to the top zone instead of the bottom zone. Also move\modifty the HDD cages to allow for longer PSUs (the 200mm claim is misleading) and a PSU intake vent with filter on the bottom.
I have a LL tower and the materials are really nice, but their designs lately are ridiculous. Jonsbo ITX on Newegg as "DIYPC" or "Rosewill Legacy" are the future IMO
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ingwe - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
This looks pretty good. If I was looking for an mATX build, I would consider this pretty strongly.Samus - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
Why are there so many fans in front of, next to, and behind the hard drive/PSU section (bottom half?)Seems like fans should either just blow in to create positive pressure (making the rear bottom fan pointless) or fans should be focused at the top or upper rear. The whole cooling design seems bass ackwards.
Phuncz - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
Too bad the GPU power connectors were again an afterthought, this isn't their first V35x case that has almost no space for the PCIe power connectors. This also excludes any card that goes outside of the PCIe specifications.I also don't get the slimline optical drive, a computer these days doesn't really need an (internal) ODD, but now you have an ugly design in the front where 4x 120mm fans could have been installed instead of two.
digitalsolo - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
HTPCs still have a lot of reason for an ODD, and that is certainly one of the market aims for something like this. I have a Blu Ray burner in my HTPC (XBMC) system for playing/ripping.zlandar - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
I used to think that but you can buy an external BD drive for $50.I rip all of my DVDs/Blu-Ray to my hard drive storage. So much more convenient using XBMC or Plex.
lwatcdr - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
You can but it would not look "good" in an entertainment center. Also for an HTPC I would skip any spinning storage and use a NAS for my movies.Now this would make a really good NAS box.
Elysiumcore - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
Cool looking case, Saw a preview video a while ago which mentioned the issue of no bottom air intake hole for PSU, yet Lian-li still did not fix this issue. :(gradoman - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
You could turn your PSU so the fan side faces up.cbelle - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
The case is too big especially considering it is for mATX and the side I/O makes it even needing a bigger lateral footprint.I am generally a fan of Lian-Li but I think this
cbelle - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
The case is too big especially considering it is for mATX and the side I/O makes it even needing a bigger lateral footprint.I am generally a fan of Lian-Li but I think this misses the mark.
DanNeely - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
The Side IO is forward of the mobo, so it shouldn't be a factor in width. The width looks like it was set by having the second 3.5" cage go sideways to give more clearance for the PSU.CrimsonFury - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
For the Side IO I think cbelle was refering to the fact you will need to leave space to the side of the case, which can be an issue with things like placing in a home theatre cabinet or other small spaceThe width is because they left space for a radiator next to the motherboard.
Zak - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
Nice! I should consider an mATX build next time. I'm just always concerned with space for dual GPUs. Oh, and I'd love a case with no openings in the front. I haven't used an optical drive in years.texadactyl - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
Super convenient open function; allows simple access to many components, especially storage. Thanks for the links to their other cases; I'm interested in a Mini-ITX case with more style this time.Teizo - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
As the previous poster noted, there is not much room at the top for the pci-e power connectors. This case will definitely require a reference blower design more than likely. A Gigabyte Windforce or MSI Gaming card will not fit I am pretty sure. Before getting this case, better measure the height of the GPU.Teizo - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
Looking at the last picture, they may...but definitely need to take some measurements first as it will be cutting it close with some AIB custom cards.Zak - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
Yeah. I'd love to see a review of this case with dual GPUs.antef - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
There is no reason to get something like this instead of the cheap, awesome, and small Rosewill Line-M. You won't find a tinier mATX case that supports full-size cards, it's 50 bucks, and is rated 5 eggs on Newegg with 92 reviews. I have the Silverstone PS-07 and love it, it's also much cheaper than this Lian Li, but the Line-M simply looks unbeatable.DanNeely - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
Those cases both have a completely different visual style. People interested in something like this Lian-Li won't want either of them.rUmX - Thursday, December 19, 2013 - link
I really don't know why'd you say that. Lian Li's are for people who actually appreciate clean looks. I miss the Cooler Master of old. They used to make good cases.antef - Thursday, December 19, 2013 - link
Lian Li is simply overpriced, and the quality isn't always up to par. I don't see anything "cleaner" about the look of this than something simple like the Line-M, except for material choice.creed3020 - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
I used to own a PC-V354B and it didn't work out for my build in the end at the Z-height of my GPU could not fit into the lower zone. I have an ASUS Radeon 6850 and the heatpipes stick above the PCB so cases like this are quite limiting to your compatibility with large GPU coolers. Lian-Li made amazing progress with this case:-No more 80mm fans
-More drive bays than ever before (8 in total)
-Easy case access, previously removing side panels required 6 small screws to be removed per side
-AIO cooler space for a rad
I'm pretty well settled on Silverstone cases but if Lian-Li can keep on this course they might win me back
rUmX - Thursday, December 19, 2013 - link
I currently own a v354b and its one of the best cases ive ever built. When building something small like it you really have to plan ahead. I also have a Asus direct cu 6850 and it fits perfectly.jigglywiggly - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
$180loel.
fokka - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
not a fan. i'd rather have a normal standing case, or a flat HTPC-style one. this just uses tons of space and still is much too tall for my taste.happy with my PC 9FB though.
TridenT - Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - link
Nice case, but I am not paying $180.etamin - Thursday, December 19, 2013 - link
i like the look, but $180 and no fan filters...JBVertexx - Thursday, December 19, 2013 - link
I'm not sure what's going on in Lian-Li land, but their latest cases are just missing the mark IMO.Coming in at 36L volume, this thing is just huge. And I find it quite ugly as well, looking like some sort of Minecraft block-head sitting on your desk, taking up most of the space on your desk as well.
If you want this for HTPC, it just doesn't cut it. Silverstone GD08 is gigantic, with EATX capability, and it comes in at 33L in a much better form factor for HTPC. There are many many much better options for HTPC.
For a desktop, again, this is just going to take up too much real estate. You have the Silverstone SG10 available at 23L and a much better desktop form factor.
Sure, this one has the double-deck design with built-in water-cooling capability, but IMO the trade-off in size is not worth it. A much better executed design with this approach is this one by Abee of Japan (http://www.abee.co.jp/Product/CASE/AS_Enclosure/W5... - wish these were available in the states.
Overall, I've been disappointed with Lian-Li's latest. This year's PC-Q27 and 28 were just too big. And the latest cases on their website (this one plus two more out there now - the PC-Q33 and PC-Q35) all have at least one major fatal flaw that would prevent me from buying.
In my view, their best cases to date have been the generation that produced PC-Q12, PC-Q18, PC-Q25, and PC-V354. I own a PC-Q25 for a home server and love it. Unfortunately, the latest generation is just not up to snuff.
It's very disappointing, because building with a Lian-Li case is always a pleasure, but they need to tighten up their form factor designs if they're going to continue to win my business.
CrimsonFury - Wednesday, January 1, 2014 - link
V358 fills a completely different category to those Silverstone cases. The GD08 is a desktop case with a huge foot print. The SG10 only has 2x 3.5" bays and smaller intake fakes. Neither of the silverstone cases support large radiators and both are far more difficult to work on than the hinged design of the V358The V358 isn't perfect but it fills a niche that doesn't have many comparible options at the moment. If Lian-Li follow release a follow up model with a few minor tweaks this case could be awesome. Personally I would like to see the front fans positioned higher, so most of the intake goes to the top zone instead of the bottom zone. Also move\modifty the HDD cages to allow for longer PSUs (the 200mm claim is misleading) and a PSU intake vent with filter on the bottom.
pierrot - Thursday, January 2, 2014 - link
I have a LL tower and the materials are really nice, but their designs lately are ridiculous. Jonsbo ITX on Newegg as "DIYPC" or "Rosewill Legacy" are the future IMO