I bought one of these a while ago and it really is a good motherboard. I was having some issues with 1.35V RAM at first, but UEFI version 2.10 cleared that up for me. The Bluetooth part of the 802.11ac/BT module gave me issues as well, but that was all driver-related. Even still, I swapped it out for an Intel part that's performed much better.
My biggest issue with the motherboard though, is I really can't believe that Asrock removed their consumer IR header in this generation. I know it's a very niche thing to need, but it'd be perfect for my gaming/media PC. And there's still space for it in the spot it used to be in, they seem to have just decided not to include it this time.
I have the H87 version of this board, and had the same exact problem with 1.35v RAM until the August BIOS update v1.5. That BIOS also fixed a crazy Windows 8.1 (beta at the time) problem causing the event viewer to log a ton of disk IO errors that were in actuality, inert.
So far ASRock support has been exceptional. I'm traditionally an ASUS user (and use an Asus H77 ITX board in my file server with a Areca RAID controller) and the BIOS is nearly identical to ASRock. The ASUS software, however, is slightly more "professional" looking, but the XFAN utility and other tools function virtually the same. They're the same company, after all.
But the only problem with the H87 version of this board is four SATA instead of six. Not a problem for my tiny case, but it could be an issue for people with a lot of drives (like a BitFenix case, etc)
I find this hard to believe. I've got an ASRock A75M-HVS as a file server, booting via UEFI. They released a firmware update for Windows 8, which broke UEFI booting for me, so I had to roll back to the older firmware. I emailed their support about it multiple times and never got a response other than their automated "we have received your email and will contact you soon".
The Gigabyte A75 chipset boards have UEFI problems as well, so I think it is more an FM1 chipset problem than a board manufacture problem. But then again, Gigabyte isn't always great with their support either.
To be fair to AMD, the A75 was their first chipset to support UEFI so it isn't a shock there are bugs here and there in the same way there were TONS of issues migrating Z68 boards to a UEFI BIOS (many didn't ship with UEFI so it was added to later BIOSes and that was a mess, especially once again for Gigabyte.)
Speaking from experience, Asrock do offer excellent support, even on their budget priced boards. I built a number of workstations using the (almost) mini-itx sized G41-VGS3, and after a while noticed that AsRock were releasing updated BIOSes for similar models but not this one. One update improved significantly the CPU fan speed management, something which my users would've appreciated. I e-mailed them and the next day they had sent me a BIOS file with all the updated (including the fan speed) from other models. It flashed flawlessly and considering the rock bottom price, I couldn't be happier.
the user manual will clarify it for you, but the eSATA and mSATA each share a physical SATA port on the board. You are limited to 6 SATA devices.
What I've done, is stick a 2 port SATAIII MiniPCI-E HBA into the top-side mPCI-E slot. (I am not using the wi-fi/bluetooth).
I've seen conflicting reports on whether the back-side mPCI-E can be used without disabling the use of the mSATA associated SATA port. My very brief testing seems to show that even if you just use it as a mPCI-E (as in, shove the wireless card on the back side) that you still lose the SATA port. ASRock tech support told me otherwise, but I think they just misunderstood the question.
6 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s connectors, support RAID (RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 10, Intel Rapid Storage Technology 12 and Intel Smart Response Technology), NCQ, AHCI and “Hot Plug” (SATA3_5 connector is shared with the eSATA port; SATA3_4 connector is shared with the mSATA/mini- PCI Express slot)
So it looks like the eSATA and mSATA ports are shared with the physical SATA ports 3 and 4, giving you only 6 maximum HDDs
For example, the H87 version of this board has four physical SATA ports and one eSATA giving 5 total ports. The 87-chipset only has six SATA 6Gbps channels total.
Just because there are 6 SATA ports doesn't mean you can use all 6 IN ADDITION to the mSATA and eSATA ports. Quite often, the physical ports share electrical connection with mSATA and eSATA connectors, meaning that if you plug in a mSATA drive onto the motherboard, you will disable the SATA connector it's shared with.
In fact, the user manual here (http://www.asrock.com/MB/overview.asp?cat=Manual&a... states that the mSATA and eSATA ports are shared with onboard SATA ports number 3 and 4, respectively, meaning that you only get a maximum of 6 HDDs in any combination of onboard SATAs+mSATA+eSATA
My media server/file server/HTPC is built around this board and has been on 24/7 since it's release week. It's been absolutely solid and trouble free. Recently built a developer workstation around the Asus Z87I-Deluxe and that one has been excellent too.
eSATA is an unpowered interface. I've seen a few boards offering combination eSATA/USB2 ports that could theoretically combine power and data into a single cable; but I don't recall ever seeing a device that used one. Part of that issue is probably that at the time USB power was limited to 2.5W; and most eSATA enclosures were for 3.5" drives which needed a brick to provide enough power to operate.
If your case has an empty slot, you can get brackets with Molex and/or SATA power connectors. Here's one with 2 eSATA, 1 Molex, and external cables for Molex -> SATA power: www.amazon.com/dp/B000YI7M3G
Will you be doing any matx motherboards soon. I have my eyes on the gryphon or the gene 6. The question is how I should add wifi and if I should add a dedicated soundcard. It partly hinges on if true audio takes off and if the 290 will be quiet enough for the small case I have in mind.
I've already covered the Z87M OC Formula, and I have the Gryphon in for review, as well as a gaming mATX. I hope to get to them by the end of the year :) You have two options for WiFi: USB device, or PCIe x1 card.
Also, I can assure you that the 290 is not quiet enough. It almost doens't matter what for, if you have to ask about the noise, it'll probably bother you, IMO.
I've been looking at this board for a while, so it was a nice treat to see the review pop up this morning. The main use that I have for this board is for HTPCs. I like using the Streacom cases (Ganesh reviewed one for Anandtech), and the cases require very little obstruction from the top of the motherboard to the CPU. Unfortunately, a lot of Mini-ITX boards put the memory or 24-pin power connector up there. Also, most boards don't have mSATA ports on them, which is nice because forgoing a 2.5" drive helps to reduce the cable clutter in a really small case.
All that said, it's good to see that the board received some praise! I just need to wait for Perfect Home Theater to get the short Streacom heat pipes in stock first since the CPU socket is a lot closer to the top than on most motherboards.
I just got wind of this via email. It seems fairly new - it doesn't show up on various searches either. So that makes it Gigabyte cheapest on AMD, ASRock on Intel. This means good things: 802.11ac should be ubiquitous up and down the product stack and single band 2.4 GHz should not see the light of day.
Quote from review: "the dynamic range is low for an ALC1150".
For typical codec a loop-back test actually measures line-in performance, since AD converters are usually worst then DAC. And results are in perfect accord with ALC1150 data sheet, which states typical ADC dynamic range -104dB and THD+N -80dB.
Line-in performance is maybe not the most interesting parameters for a motherboard, but at least measurement have proved, that codec implementation is correct.
I just built a new computer using this board, in a Fractal Design Node 304 case. Core i5 4570S, 8GB of DDR3 1866 and my old GTX460 768MB GPU. Pretty happy with it. Put some velcro stickies on a slim external DVD burner and put it on top of the case, looks good, is quiet, and is fully functional. Pretty happy I can finally build a small form factor computer without having to give up anything.
The newegg video on the case says long graphics cards could conflict with modular PSU's. This wasn't the case for the Seasonic G...something. 550W hybrid fan PSU I put in it. Just fyi. The modular ports sit below the GPU, so it is tight, but a GTX780 should fit in there just fine.
please excuse my ignorance on this but I need some clarification on how the video ports would work on this. Currently I have a XSX 7750 driving 3 monitors.
On this MB with a Haswell DH 4600 chip could I drive 3 monitors using the on board display port and other 2 video ports?? I don't use it for gaming so high performance is not mandatory.
Given the size of the board it looks like it might be difficult to plug in my XFX card
"Both the Z87E-ITX and another 802.11ac mini-ITX motherboard I am currently testing have issues with DPC Latency: both hit peak values north of 200, and only when Bluetooth 4.0 is turned off."
If I'm reading this correctly the DPC latency only hits high peak values when Bluetooth is off, so having Bluetooth on solves the problem? Seems counter-intuitive, could you explain what effect Bluetooth has, do you need to be using the bluetooth or just have it enabled?
I have this board on my list but i was wondering which revision of the chipset is on the board and is it visible on the box. At this time i don't want a C1 anymore and i think the most are all C2 but ASRock makes no statement on this.
- 6 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s connectors, support RAID (RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 10, Intel® Rapid Storage Technology 12 and Intel® Smart Response Technology), NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug (SATA3_5 connector is shared with the eSATA port; SATA3_4 connector is shared with the mSATA/mini-PCI Express slot) - 1 x eSATA connector, supports NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug - 1 x mSATA 6.0 Gb/s connector (Solid-State Drive connector), supports NCQ, AHCI and Full-size mini-PCI Express modules
This is an awesome mainboard. Its layout is almost perfect. Could use a few more USB ports on the back instead of the PS/2 or eSATA port, however. Also I wonder why this negligible "problem" with the 8-pin connector is mentioned, while the huge problem with picoPSUs isnt mentioned: The 24-pin connector is turned 180 degrees, which will make most picoPSUs touch the ram and actually pushes them to the side with quite a lot of force. Its a no-go using picoPSUs on this board because of that. Why you would need more than one case fan in an ITX case is beyond me either. Also I actually like that the VGA and DVI compatibility is being maintained, else I wouldnt be able to use it.
I am using this board with a picoPSU-150-XT and it doesn't touch the RAM (Crucial 8GB - 4x2). The RAM sits straight up, not leaned over. There is a very small clearance between the the outer most DIM and the PSU circuit. My reality does not match yours. :-)
I was sold as soon as I originally saw the specs. No addon USB/SATA controllers. No wanky VRM/audio/wifi/mSATA riser cards. The Broadcom wireless ac isn't quite as good/stable/supported as the new Intel one but that's easily fixed by just swapping out the wireless card. Excellent storage flexibility. Excellent CPU cooler - GPU clearance. As far as I'm concerned this is the closest to high performance mini-ITX perfection anyone has come yet.
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jhoff80 - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
I bought one of these a while ago and it really is a good motherboard. I was having some issues with 1.35V RAM at first, but UEFI version 2.10 cleared that up for me. The Bluetooth part of the 802.11ac/BT module gave me issues as well, but that was all driver-related. Even still, I swapped it out for an Intel part that's performed much better.My biggest issue with the motherboard though, is I really can't believe that Asrock removed their consumer IR header in this generation. I know it's a very niche thing to need, but it'd be perfect for my gaming/media PC. And there's still space for it in the spot it used to be in, they seem to have just decided not to include it this time.
Samus - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
I have the H87 version of this board, and had the same exact problem with 1.35v RAM until the August BIOS update v1.5. That BIOS also fixed a crazy Windows 8.1 (beta at the time) problem causing the event viewer to log a ton of disk IO errors that were in actuality, inert.So far ASRock support has been exceptional. I'm traditionally an ASUS user (and use an Asus H77 ITX board in my file server with a Areca RAID controller) and the BIOS is nearly identical to ASRock. The ASUS software, however, is slightly more "professional" looking, but the XFAN utility and other tools function virtually the same. They're the same company, after all.
But the only problem with the H87 version of this board is four SATA instead of six. Not a problem for my tiny case, but it could be an issue for people with a lot of drives (like a BitFenix case, etc)
Gigaplex - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
"So far ASRock support has been exceptional."I find this hard to believe. I've got an ASRock A75M-HVS as a file server, booting via UEFI. They released a firmware update for Windows 8, which broke UEFI booting for me, so I had to roll back to the older firmware. I emailed their support about it multiple times and never got a response other than their automated "we have received your email and will contact you soon".
Samus - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
The Gigabyte A75 chipset boards have UEFI problems as well, so I think it is more an FM1 chipset problem than a board manufacture problem. But then again, Gigabyte isn't always great with their support either.To be fair to AMD, the A75 was their first chipset to support UEFI so it isn't a shock there are bugs here and there in the same way there were TONS of issues migrating Z68 boards to a UEFI BIOS (many didn't ship with UEFI so it was added to later BIOSes and that was a mess, especially once again for Gigabyte.)
Tull-Power - Thursday, November 7, 2013 - link
Speaking from experience, Asrock do offer excellent support, even on their budget priced boards. I built a number of workstations using the (almost) mini-itx sized G41-VGS3, and after a while noticed that AsRock were releasing updated BIOSes for similar models but not this one. One update improved significantly the CPU fan speed management, something which my users would've appreciated. I e-mailed them and the next day they had sent me a BIOS file with all the updated (including the fan speed) from other models. It flashed flawlessly and considering the rock bottom price, I couldn't be happier.fluxtatic - Sunday, November 10, 2013 - link
Asus spun ASRock off several years ago, along with Pegatron.Lonyo - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
Do the eSATA ports and mSATA ports take away from the 6 ports on the board, or are they in addition to the 6 ports?From the look of it, you're limited to 6 devices total, e.g. 1 eSATA, 1 mSATA and 4 regular or 6 regular and no e/m?
jhoff80 - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
They take away from it. 6 total.Ninhalem - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
Do you have official documentation or something else that backs that up?I've been looking for a long time for a board that has 6 SATA slots and an mSATA for my home server.
kirk444 - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
the user manual will clarify it for you, but the eSATA and mSATA each share a physical SATA port on the board. You are limited to 6 SATA devices.What I've done, is stick a 2 port SATAIII MiniPCI-E HBA into the top-side mPCI-E slot. (I am not using the wi-fi/bluetooth).
I've seen conflicting reports on whether the back-side mPCI-E can be used without disabling the use of the mSATA associated SATA port. My very brief testing seems to show that even if you just use it as a mPCI-E (as in, shove the wireless card on the back side) that you still lose the SATA port. ASRock tech support told me otherwise, but I think they just misunderstood the question.
duynguyenle - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
You can get the manual here http://www.asrock.com/MB/overview.asp?cat=Manual&a...The section on storage quoted:
6 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s connectors, support RAID (RAID 0,
RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 10, Intel Rapid Storage Technology
12 and Intel Smart Response Technology), NCQ, AHCI and
“Hot Plug” (SATA3_5 connector is shared with the eSATA
port; SATA3_4 connector is shared with the mSATA/mini-
PCI Express slot)
So it looks like the eSATA and mSATA ports are shared with the physical SATA ports 3 and 4, giving you only 6 maximum HDDs
Samus - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
For example, the H87 version of this board has four physical SATA ports and one eSATA giving 5 total ports. The 87-chipset only has six SATA 6Gbps channels total.zlandar - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
I see 6 SATA ports in a row on the motherboard. The eSATA and mSATA are in addition to the 6 SATA ports.duynguyenle - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
Just because there are 6 SATA ports doesn't mean you can use all 6 IN ADDITION to the mSATA and eSATA ports. Quite often, the physical ports share electrical connection with mSATA and eSATA connectors, meaning that if you plug in a mSATA drive onto the motherboard, you will disable the SATA connector it's shared with.In fact, the user manual here (http://www.asrock.com/MB/overview.asp?cat=Manual&a... states that the mSATA and eSATA ports are shared with onboard SATA ports number 3 and 4, respectively, meaning that you only get a maximum of 6 HDDs in any combination of onboard SATAs+mSATA+eSATA
abscode - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
My media server/file server/HTPC is built around this board and has been on 24/7 since it's release week. It's been absolutely solid and trouble free. Recently built a developer workstation around the Asus Z87I-Deluxe and that one has been excellent too.vortexmak - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
Ian or someone who has this board, can you please check if Wifi and Bluetooth works on Linux/Ubuntu ? My purchasing decision rests on this.PS: You can use an ubuntu bootable CD. Thanks for all the help :)
vortexmak - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
Where does the power for eSATA come from ? Do you have to use an external power supply ?Will AT be reviewing the Gigabyte Z87 ITX board as well ?
Thanks
DanNeely - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
eSATA is an unpowered interface. I've seen a few boards offering combination eSATA/USB2 ports that could theoretically combine power and data into a single cable; but I don't recall ever seeing a device that used one. Part of that issue is probably that at the time USB power was limited to 2.5W; and most eSATA enclosures were for 3.5" drives which needed a brick to provide enough power to operate.bobbozzo - Thursday, November 7, 2013 - link
If your case has an empty slot, you can get brackets with Molex and/or SATA power connectors.Here's one with 2 eSATA, 1 Molex, and external cables for Molex -> SATA power:
www.amazon.com/dp/B000YI7M3G
stennan - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
Will you be doing any matx motherboards soon. I have my eyes on the gryphon or the gene 6. The question is how I should add wifi and if I should add a dedicated soundcard. It partly hinges on if true audio takes off and if the 290 will be quiet enough for the small case I have in mind.IanCutress - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
I've already covered the Z87M OC Formula, and I have the Gryphon in for review, as well as a gaming mATX. I hope to get to them by the end of the year :) You have two options for WiFi: USB device, or PCIe x1 card.althaz - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
Also, I can assure you that the 290 is not quiet enough. It almost doens't matter what for, if you have to ask about the noise, it'll probably bother you, IMO.Aikouka - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
I've been looking at this board for a while, so it was a nice treat to see the review pop up this morning. The main use that I have for this board is for HTPCs. I like using the Streacom cases (Ganesh reviewed one for Anandtech), and the cases require very little obstruction from the top of the motherboard to the CPU. Unfortunately, a lot of Mini-ITX boards put the memory or 24-pin power connector up there. Also, most boards don't have mSATA ports on them, which is nice because forgoing a 2.5" drive helps to reduce the cable clutter in a really small case.All that said, it's good to see that the board received some praise! I just need to wait for Perfect Home Theater to get the short Streacom heat pipes in stock first since the CPU socket is a lot closer to the top than on most motherboards.
vykos - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
Actually, the cheapest board with 802.11ac is Gigabyte's FM2+ mITX board for $110 on Newegg: GA-F2A88XN-WIFIhttp://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
IanCutress - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
I just got wind of this via email. It seems fairly new - it doesn't show up on various searches either. So that makes it Gigabyte cheapest on AMD, ASRock on Intel. This means good things: 802.11ac should be ubiquitous up and down the product stack and single band 2.4 GHz should not see the light of day.Ian
popej - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
Quote from review: "the dynamic range is low for an ALC1150".For typical codec a loop-back test actually measures line-in performance, since AD converters are usually worst then DAC. And results are in perfect accord with ALC1150 data sheet, which states typical ADC dynamic range -104dB and THD+N -80dB.
Line-in performance is maybe not the most interesting parameters for a motherboard, but at least measurement have proved, that codec implementation is correct.
lekzero - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
I believe this mb is used in "Steam Box prototype", I believe I also saw a power supply Silverstone's ST45SF-G also in SBox.Hrel - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
I just built a new computer using this board, in a Fractal Design Node 304 case. Core i5 4570S, 8GB of DDR3 1866 and my old GTX460 768MB GPU. Pretty happy with it. Put some velcro stickies on a slim external DVD burner and put it on top of the case, looks good, is quiet, and is fully functional. Pretty happy I can finally build a small form factor computer without having to give up anything.The newegg video on the case says long graphics cards could conflict with modular PSU's. This wasn't the case for the Seasonic G...something. 550W hybrid fan PSU I put in it. Just fyi. The modular ports sit below the GPU, so it is tight, but a GTX780 should fit in there just fine.
BernardP - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
Could someone explain what are the uses for the onboard WiFi? This has been puzzling me for some time.I already have a wireless router at home. What could this onboard WiFi add?
DanNeely - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
The same thing as the wifi on your laptop, tablet, and phone; it lets you connect to the router without running an ethernet cable.BernardP - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
Thanks. I hadn't thought about this...Too simple, too obvious!jason11 - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
With Bay Trail, I'm really hoping to see Nano-ITX and Pico-ITX boards come out. Hopefully some cases too but I'm fine with making a simple one myself.mdbusa - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
please excuse my ignorance on this but I need some clarification on how the video ports would work on this. Currently I have a XSX 7750 driving 3 monitors.On this MB with a Haswell DH 4600 chip could I drive 3 monitors using the on board display port and other 2 video ports?? I don't use it for gaming so high performance is not mandatory.
Given the size of the board it looks like it might be difficult to plug in my XFX card
extide - Thursday, November 7, 2013 - link
Yes you can use your discreet card and the haswell integrated graphics at the same time, so 3 from the integrated + whatever is on your card.DaBean - Thursday, November 7, 2013 - link
"Both the Z87E-ITX and another 802.11ac mini-ITX motherboard I am currently testing have issues with DPC Latency: both hit peak values north of 200, and only when Bluetooth 4.0 is turned off."If I'm reading this correctly the DPC latency only hits high peak values when Bluetooth is off, so having Bluetooth on solves the problem? Seems counter-intuitive, could you explain what effect Bluetooth has, do you need to be using the bluetooth or just have it enabled?
AnandTech2013 - Thursday, November 7, 2013 - link
I have this board on my list but i was wondering which revision of the chipset is on the board and is it visible on the box. At this time i don't want a C1 anymore and i think the most are all C2 but ASRock makes no statement on this.ZoSo - Friday, November 8, 2013 - link
- 6 x SATA3 6.0 Gb/s connectors, support RAID (RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 10, Intel® Rapid Storage Technology 12 and Intel® Smart Response Technology), NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug (SATA3_5 connector is shared with the eSATA port; SATA3_4 connector is shared with the mSATA/mini-PCI Express slot)- 1 x eSATA connector, supports NCQ, AHCI and Hot Plug
- 1 x mSATA 6.0 Gb/s connector (Solid-State Drive connector), supports NCQ, AHCI and Full-size mini-PCI Express modules
coolhund - Saturday, November 9, 2013 - link
This is an awesome mainboard. Its layout is almost perfect. Could use a few more USB ports on the back instead of the PS/2 or eSATA port, however.Also I wonder why this negligible "problem" with the 8-pin connector is mentioned, while the huge problem with picoPSUs isnt mentioned: The 24-pin connector is turned 180 degrees, which will make most picoPSUs touch the ram and actually pushes them to the side with quite a lot of force. Its a no-go using picoPSUs on this board because of that.
Why you would need more than one case fan in an ITX case is beyond me either. Also I actually like that the VGA and DVI compatibility is being maintained, else I wouldnt be able to use it.
MarkF - Friday, January 17, 2014 - link
I am using this board with a picoPSU-150-XT and it doesn't touch the RAM (Crucial 8GB - 4x2). The RAM sits straight up, not leaned over. There is a very small clearance between the the outer most DIM and the PSU circuit. My reality does not match yours. :-)Matman - Monday, November 11, 2013 - link
I was sold as soon as I originally saw the specs. No addon USB/SATA controllers. No wanky VRM/audio/wifi/mSATA riser cards. The Broadcom wireless ac isn't quite as good/stable/supported as the new Intel one but that's easily fixed by just swapping out the wireless card. Excellent storage flexibility. Excellent CPU cooler - GPU clearance.As far as I'm concerned this is the closest to high performance mini-ITX perfection anyone has come yet.
tsheetz - Thursday, December 26, 2013 - link
Has anyone been able to get audio to work through HDMI on this board?Ichinisan - Sunday, February 16, 2014 - link
The first page incorrectly says "DVI-D" in at least 2 places. It's actually DVI-I. VGA is supported using the included DVI-to-VGA adapter.lemmo - Thursday, September 11, 2014 - link
The mSATA is tucked away on the underside of the board. Has anyone heard of issues with the mSATA overheating?