Mac Pro. That is what I want to see. I've been waiting years and saving just as long for this machine. Apple should be able to just take my money but I'm going to wait on reviews. If they come back negative for the new model, I'll snap up a dual Westmere model while they're still on the market and then kick myself in the head for waiting years when I could have bought this tower in 2010.
That way, with all the money you save, you can buy yourself a nice pair of Jordans to kick yourself in the head with when you realise you should have done this in 2010.
If this guy has to save for 3 years to get a Mac he's probably too stupid to realize he could save thousands and get better hardware elsewhere... or better yet, build up the brain power necessary to build his own tower.
You could do that, but then you couldn't legally run your own Mac OS. Budgeting over a period, for something you want, is actually a sign of intelligence. Sure you may be purchasing Louis Vuitton, instead of Guess, but while both perform the same function, if getting the LV brings more happiness (for whatever) then it seems a reasonable purchase, provided he has no complaints why he hasn't money to purchase something else.
Love my job, since I've been bringing in $5600… I sit at home, music playing while I work in front of my new iMac that I got now that I'm making it online(Click on menu Home) http://goo.gl/1AsVvL
I apologize for my prior statement. Everybody is entitled to have their own dream. Sometimes I rage out when people make seemingly poor decisions. I should preface that it was my opinion, sorry.
It is more expensive for something that has a much cheaper alternative, but the design and quality does come at a premium. The price also naturally builds in that coveted exclusivity, which some people seem to care about, but Apple is actually better than it had been in the past (lowering this to a degree). I, for one, think computer hardware should be more expensive - it's a technological wonderment, but my reasoning considers alternative products; eg I don't think a nice computer should be the same price as a decent guitar, but that's the effect supply, demand, and competition have on price of products. Just think about during the 90s when brands like Gateway were selling computers at $2500, which was worth more then. Their quality hasn't changed much, but their price sure has.
lol no, it's the electric guitars being pricey because the market is small and they're analog devices. Also analog stuff requires more precision AFAIK, and they're not mass-producing them which drives costs down for integrated circuits. You can't do that with guitars. Apples to oranges imho.
Follow-up because I'm not convinced you're trolling:
1. "electric guitars" - I didn't qualify it with a certain type, but it was just a comparative example of products across different markets 2. "because the market is small" - that's what supply/demand is; there's a market for computers, there's a market for guitars and the markets are sometime shared. The elasticity of demand also factors in determining purchase (and buying/selling power). When doing comparisons, if one thing is small, it means the other is big in relation. But in your use of the work "market", I think you're referring to exactly what "demand" is - the amount of buyers at a particular price point. 3. Analog has nothing to do with it, neither does digital, and the claim that one requires more precision over another is plainly incorrect. I'll assume by precision you are also referring to accuracy. 4. "Mass-production" factors into supply/demand, price/cost curves, and economies of scale; generally, the more demand the better EoS you can achieve (though not always) 5. Regarding mass production, you could certainly do that with guitars 6. Yes it is apples to oranges, but it doesn't mean you can't compare. You're trading with water, and you can only have so much and may only buy so many apples and/or oranges.
There are plenty of good reasons to NOT build his own tower, even if he is fully capable of doing so. If one needs a workstation for actual work (as oppose to a hobby / game machine), buying a prebuilt box is the far more intelligent thing to do. Instead of wasting time troubleshooting an issue, ordering parts, trying to get warranty replacement, it's much more dependable to walk into a store and get it fixed.
Up next, 500 pages of reviews on apple products. On look the new font is soo different then the old font. omg this new gold coating is soo much better then the other coating that was soo much better then before.
Go back to The Verge/Engadget/Whatever if you don't want to see this. Both of you. Many enjoy the high quality content at this site, and as a person considering a switch back into the iOS/OSX world after less than satisfactory WP8, 8.1, and Android experiences, I want to see this.
I am, for once, more interested in hearing about Mavericks, the new OS. Sure, hardware becomes more efficient, more productive, in each revision; but it's to the point that it's not as noticeable. Making a task perform in half the amount of nanoseconds doesn't translate too well into the at-home computer market. Therefore, I consider the hardware performance of personal devices (includes desktops) to have only increased marginally.
On the other hand, there is still a giant slope for battery optimization potential. If you can double the length between charges, while still operating at last year's performance level, you've dramatically changed the quality of usability. The [sub]/conscious "fear" of having to plug-in your cord, or adding the "check battery level" into your routine, may be trivial, but still affects the quality of user experience. Combine this new OS with these new microchips and we're starting to realize something I've been looking forward to for some time --- the ability to travel with a laptop/device w/o bringing a cord.
I've always viewed the perennial "you guys are biased towards Apple" complaints levelled here at Anandtech's comments' section and forums as baseless.
But I'm starting to reconsider. I myself am most interested in getting an iPad Mini 2 as an upgrade from my 4th Gen iPad, but Nokia just launched a ton of new devices today and you guys don't even write about it. Have you guys decided simply not to cover the Windows Phone ecosystem? For people like me, non-fanboys who consider all altenatives and try to make a rational decision and not based on emotion, we want coverage on all things.
I don't demand that you liveblog the Nokia event which is far from America, Apple's events are much closer after all, but at least a news item or something. Stunning lack of interest in the 3rd biggest ecosystem.
I think the Nokia should/would be covered in pipeline. To some extent things are covered on the Dailytech feed on the side. There is a thing called logistics and it just doesn't cover travel distance. It covers people as well and if there is more than one event in a single day then it might not get covered here. There is one smartphone editor and Anand who can and does cover lots of stuff. Give them a break. I don't think the Nokia event is more interesting than Pipeline value. If Nokia provides some review units, then Yes we should see fair effort given to what is genuinely new. I have listened to the podcasts and agree that Windows on the Nokia devices doesn't really warant the same attention as Apple's event today.
I am not expecting any shockers like Android based Nokia phones. The only thing I would find interesting is a Bay Trail Nokia tablet running Windows 8. Other than that meh.
It's just been a lack of time/bandwidth. I was in Montreal, then just came out here for this - meanwhile pushed out the T100/Surface2/SurfacePro2 reviews. Nokia's stuff is interesting for sure.
It's an issue of bias vs. interest. From what I can tell, Anand and Brian are both Mac and iPhone users, so Apple is a primary coverage topic for them. Obviously Brian also uses Android and Anand also seems to use the Moto X, but neither uses Windows Phone/RT at all, and I think Brian has commented in the past that he's just not interested.
I don't think it makes them biased, insofar as what they say about Apple or Microsoft or Google is unfair, but it objectively leads to Apple having more time in the spotlight, and MacOS getting more in-depth coverage than Windows. That's what they use, so that's what they can talk about--I wouldn't want them to write about things they don't use/understand properly just for the sake of fulfilling some expectation of providing "balanced" coverage.
Apple should have more time in the spotlight though. If you look at the usage numbers, there are many more people who buy Apple products than will buy Nokia's tablet or Surface. Whether you like them or not, you have to admit they have a dominant position at the moment. I would never buy an Apple product, but that doesn't mean I can't respect their position.
Sort of...iPad market share is dropping every quarter...35% market share last I saw and I'd bet it will be 10% like their phones and computers within a few years
Every publication follows the page views. Apple events generate lots of them, perhaps even more than full reviews of other competing products. By being here, you encouraged it. And the Nokia tablet looks like it could be good, but it's not very noteworthy, it's much like the Surface in a plastic shell.
We were not invited to the Nokia event. I'd be interested in reviewing the tablet though. I'd love to see how S800 compares to Tegra 4 under Windows RT 8.1.
Are you actually suggesting there were compelling BB OS 6 or 7 devices to cover? Serious question. BB OS 10 I could see, it was the first truly interesting release from a user experience standpoint, and I say that as someone who was saddled with BlackBerry devices for 6 years.
As someone that's been waiting for a Haswell rMBP to come out badly, my thought on the delay was likely two things:
- They needed a better GPU in there than the integrated ones available at the Haswell launch - The extra GPU power didn't provide enough of a battery life improvement without the updated power saving features integrated into OSX Mavericks
So they had to wait for both of those to be available before they could launch and get the battery life improvement that we expect in an update. I could be wrong, but that's my guess.
I wouldn't count out the desire to offer TB2 in the new MBPs. This is needed for a proper 4K setup which Apple has stated many times despite (oddly) not offering one today even though their current display is quite costly at this end of its cycle and quite thick when you compare to the year old iMacs.
I can't stand the continuous platform vs. platform schoolyard diss fight in the comments section of this otherwise excellent website. It's pointless, tiresome, and boring... not to mention it overwhelms any intelligent discussion that might occur in said comments. If you are someone who feels the need to engage in this nonsense maybe you also need to grow up, and if you're already grown up maybe you should just need to get out.
This. Please take the fanboy comments to other sites. I have a Macbook Pro w/ Retina for work, a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 for taking notes and light media usage, and just got my mom an Asus T100 as a portable desktop replacement for her.
Platform agnostic is the way to go if you really want to max out your dollar. And I bought my macbook pro knowing full well I could get more bang for buck in terms of raw specs elsewhere. Technology is more than the sum of its parts sometimes. I don't blame apple users for spending more. For many people, convenience is priceless and not having to worry about the BS in windows (like terrible DPI scaling), is enough to pay that extra bit more.
Two things I'm hoping for are for the A7 + Retina Mini, and quad core 13" MBPs. The latter is more doubtful.
The A5 Mini we have is already feeling a bit pokish in iOS7, it just takes longer to think about doing everything (not even counting the longer animations), frames drop all the time, and doing things like pulling down the notification shade lag well behind my finger (people often criticize Android for this lag, but it's very present in iOS too from what I see). A6 would be *ok*, sure, but what about in a year or two? And 64 bit will definitely be Apples next support cutoff point. And yeah, the current resolution is very noticeable at good distances for the screen size, and quite annoying for small text and even photos and movies.
And the quad core MBP, that would make it more worthy of the Pro name as well as allow Iris Pro 5200, if it's a dual it's stuck without the eDRAM. There are already 35w quad core parts and have been for a while, so it's just a matter of pricing, not thermals, so even if they offered it as an upgrade for the difference. A quad and 5200 would make the Retina 13" one hell of an attractive package.
I'm confused. A7 just brought the iPhone to iPad 4 graphics levels with the A6X (a6X had double the GPU resources of the A6, thus the same-ish performance as the A7), but they're saying the same A7 doubled it from the iPad 4...? Yet it's not an A7X?
I have a iPad 4 and my wife has a 5s, and doing the same tasks the A7 blows away the A6x. Granted there is a display difference, but it's not close. I am a bit skeptical that the difference will hold up on the larger display with just an A7, but we'll see soon enough.
The A7 has double the CPU performance of the A6X, yes. But the A6X is about the same in GPU performance, as it was itself double the A6 GPU performance as was the A7, making them about the same.
I agree the iPad Mini Retina looks like the best bang/buck option in that lineup. The $70 cheaper iPad Mini original seems like a terrible deal from that same perspective, you certainly get a lot of upgrades for the $70 diff between the iPad mini retina/non retina.
It is likely the Air has more RAM while the mini is still stuck with 512MB RAM (the fact that Apple did not specify the RAM size says a lot that is it the same as before!). Also, it would likely be FASTER than the mini as the CPU (and gpu) would be clocked higher!. It still has a large battery considering the size and weight of the thing. 451grams vs 331 grams weight. Mostly battery I presume.
You beat me to it. That's just ludicrous. Will anyone really bite on that? I know most people don't care about specs, but a measly 20% reduction in price for a model that's THREE generations old at this point seems absurd even for that majority of the population. I just laughed thinking about a BMW dealer having a new E36 3 series on the lot for only 20% less than an F30 :/.
And while I'm sure they will sell tons of the retina minis, even the pricing on those seems a bit nuts. $400 for a 16GB WiFi? You can get a 32GB WiFi/LTE Nexus 7 for $50 less, or a comparable model for $170 less.
Word. I told a friend to wait for the new releases before making a purchase; not sure what to recommend now as they have a low budget. Can't recommend an A5 device now iOS7 is out, so I guess it's a Retina Mini for them...
What are the iPad memory specs? Still 512MB in the Retina Mini? 1GB across all new? 2GB anywhere? Obviously still the same slow ass eMMC or there would have been a slide for that. Does the boost in WiFi speed matter if you can't write internally any faster? MiMo is a decent idea for hotspot functionality on Verizon iPads or Airplay scenarios.
I'm tired with how slow restoring, copying files to and from PC over USB is. I think nothing is rectified on that front. Want to move an HD 4GB movie to iOS? Sure at 10 minutes. If you want to move several for kids on a long trip, ugh. They need to at least boost the speed to push the USB 2.0 bus. That would be enough to hold off for a device or two. I'd love to see USB 3.0, but just don't feel that is coming anytime soon because it would likely require a new cable.
Man the iPad Air looks so sick. This is how you make a tablet. Honestly Apple with their incredible design and superior ecosystem (450,000 tablet apps!) make all the competitors offerings look like a joke. The Nokia looks better on paper ( http://versus.com/en/apple-ipad-air-vs-nokia-lumia... ) but let's face it, it's way behind!
The new Mac Pro looks neat. I'd be interested to see just how loud it actually is, and what the thermals are like if you run a burn-in test such as Linpack. What exactly is a FirePro D300? A quick Google search turns up nothing but references to this presentation. Are we talking Cape Verde, Pitcairn, Tahiti, something newer? The iPad Air looks like just an incremental improvement on the existing iPad 4. Faster CPU+GPU, thinner... not much else important has changed. The Retina iPad Mini will be a welcome addition, though, for people who find the 10-inch tablets too big. The iPad 2 is an embarrassment in this day and age. It should either be discontinued or dropped to $249 or less.
The updates (excluding the Mac Pro) are iterative; there's nothing revolutionary here.I am curious about the MacBook Air's display. That was always its weak point, and seeing as it was not mentioned in detail I doubt the display got replaced. The biggest thing I noticed is that there are some bad pricing decisions. Unless it got a price cut there's no reason to buy a MacBook air. Selling the 3-generation old iPad 2 for $399 is ludicrous. And the cases are ridiculously priced too - $79 for an iPad case and $39 for a cover - seriously? That's 1/4 the price of the low end model, or the difference between an iPad 2 and a iPad Air.
The Mac Pro is nice but it's a questionable value proposition in its current form. Having no dual CPU models is sure to turn off many. At this point the only reason to buy it is if you really want Final Cut Pro or if you value design over everything else. Otherwise, you can get a much cheaper Windows workstation and use Adobe Premiere or Sony Vegas OR get a Windows workstation with dual processors and much more performance for the same price.
By the way, the D300 is a Pitcairn based card with 1280SP; the specs are posted on Apple's website.
Seems like D300 is W7000, D400 is W8000 & D500 is W9000. You get less ram with 3,4 and same with D5. The price of fully loaded Mac Pro with D500's and 12core will be insane?
About Mavericks and Iris Pro graphics: how big a performance gain do you think we will see e.g. on the entry level 21.5 iMac that you reviewed a couple of weeks ago?
I think the 21.5 iMac is a close indication of the performance for Iris Pro but it has no SSD so with SSD (very fast PCIe ones at that) the new Pro could be fast!. It is a pity Apple skimmed on the 13inch using Iris only rather than Iris Pro gpu. The MBP should have discrete Nvidia as well for the price. It is a huge jump to a discrete gpu MBP (ie $600) yeah more RAM and bigger SSD but $2600!!!.
Looks like Anand and crew have quite a bit of work ahead of them. I'm interested to see how the new 13" rMBPs fare.
Personally I was a bit disappointed to see the price jump in the 15" just to get a dGPU - you're required to buy the 16GB/512GB model. I was also surprised that there wasn't a Thunderbolt 2 display with USB 3.0 and possibly a 4K version to go alongside the Mac Pro. As for the iPad, a lighter full-size model is nice (calling it an Air seems stupid), but at $100 over the new Retina mini, the only thing you get is the larger display.
I'll be looking forward the reviews over the next few weeks.
I think at the WWDC they talked about how the motion sensor is supposed to light up and rotate/expose the ports. So the thing isn't always bright and blue, which is noticeable and distracting in low-light settings.
This is a gimmick to sense the ROTATION of the unit for the led-lights of the Ports to show when rotated. Since it is black, the light indicate which port type it is. Very difficult to see especially if people put this on the floor or a cabinet by the desk. One would love to see a Wall-E retractable LED beam light poping out from the topside of the ports to illuminate the whole array brightly.
So the A7 in iPads. No A7X. But on second thought, it makes sense. The A6X had to have a new designation because of a new GPU compared to the A6 in iPhone 5.
This, otoh, is simply an up clocked version of the A7 chip, both in CPU and GPU. I'd guess the numbers are 1.7Ghz in CPU and 450-500Mhz in GPU.(based on the slides from Apple, GPU should have double the power of the SGX 554MP4, which means around 150GFLOPS)
So no hands-on with the new MacBooks? I'm pretty disappointed by the 13" rMBP--I was hoping they'd squeeze either a i7-4750HQ or at least 4702HQ into that chassis--and after checking the product pages, it's $300 to go from the i5-4258U to the i7-4558U (a clock speed bump of only 400MHz). At least the upgrade from 4GB RAM/128GB SSD to 8/256 is only $200. Still, absent a quad-core CPU or competent GPU for games, it's just not appealing to me compared to high-res ultrabooks.
I'm not sure 4702HQ would really make sense with HD 4600 graphics. And i7-4750HQ doesn't really make sense with a sizable TDP jump from 35W to 47W. The price drop was very welcome, as the 8GB/256GB model would be my bare minimum config. It will be interesting to see what the Zenbook Infinity gets priced at, but I imagine we now know their ceiling for various configurations.
About the high res ultrabook comparison, those are still over $1K, and outside of the aforementioned Zenbook Infinity, nobody seems to want to even include HD 5000 let alone HD 5100. The 13" Sony Vaio Pro would be interesting with better WiFi performance and HD 5100, but I'd want a higher res screen so I could use the desktop at 200% scaling.
HD4600 should be plenty to push 2560x1600 for non-gaming--I mean, that same screen has been running for a year on the Ivy rMBP's HD4000, not to mention the ultrabooks with HD4400 and 3200x1800 screens (though not having used any, this could be a horrible argument).
Lenovo's Yoga 2 (w/ 13" 3200x1800 screen) is currently $1150 for the 8GB RAM/256GB SSD model. Yeah, you step down to a 15W i5-4200U, shaving 300MHz off max clocks, and of course, Lenovo decided to skip 802.11ac this time around for unfathomable reasons--but it still is higher-res for $350 less. That said, I have heard that 200% scaling is still rather problematic even on Win8.1--not that I've tried it myself.
I only mentioned the 4750HQ because the chassis can at least theoretically accommodate it if they were so inclined--I mean, if Razer can cool a 37W i7 plus a discrete GPU in a slightly longer and wider yet thinner chassis, Apple can certainly cool a 47W CPU by itself. I think it remains a matter of differentiation as others have mentioned--the 15" rMBP remains the premium one, with the quad-core and the (optional) dGPU, while the 13" remains in some strange middle space above the Air/ultrabooks but still saddled with low-end mobile silicon.
I wasn't so much worried about the potential for the chassis to handle the 4750HQ, but for what that would do for battery life. The 15" has a 23% higher capacity battery to squeak out that 8 hour run time. From a product management/marketing perspective, I think 8+ hours was a good goal for both machines. Having a cpu in the 13" with a 68% higher TDP might have made that goal impossible, and the 13" should obviously be the more mobility focused of the two.
Well there's still no sign of dual core Crystalwell parts, and I don't think there was any reason to expect quads in the 13". That's one of the big differentiators to step up to the 15". And it's $200 cheaper than last year.
anyone else notice the usual aura around mavericks like it is so innovative... but literally windows already has all of those features? memory deduplication: check. timer coalescing, check. optimized video pipeline: check...
Agree on some of that. Windows doesn't get much credit, but does Windows have reduced drawing of layered objects? That is, no drawing when not visible. This is a neat feature that can save lots of battery and free up GPU ops.
But Windows8 lacked a friendly UI with nice and easy keyshortcuts and a BSD kernel that is a 'Nix. Windows kernel is an ancient NT done a decade ago with little changes. If only Windows would bring their framework to Linux, it would be perfect and gives a real choice to all other Linux distros out there!. ie Windows like RT on top of Linux kernel so my 3.11.3 kernel runs and the rest is just like Win8. Rock solid and allows any number of different window managers to run. This is where people can emulate OSX as closely as they wanted legally. MS is too stubborn to do this with all their resources. Just a pure waste of mind power ....
I'm confused. A7 just bought the iPhone to iPad 4 graphics levels with the A6X (a6X had double the GPU resources of the A6, thus the same-ish performance as the A7), but they're saying the same A7 doubled it from the iPad 4...? Yet it's not an A7X?
Both claims can't be true. Unless they doubled performance without calling it an X series, or if the new claim takes different metrics, Apple themselves also claimed the A7 was double the A6 during the 5S announcement, so now turning around and saying it's also double the performance of the A6X is a bit underhanded.
If it's the same old A7, that's less performance at hand per pixel than the iPhone 5S, seeing as they have a lot more pixels to push in retina iPads.
So the new 13" Haswell rMBP offer 128MB, 256MB, or 512MB SSD options Do we know anything about them? Are any faster than the other? Or they all the same speed? Sometimes when you go larger capacity they get faster as you can stripe data across multiple chips.
That was very phone centric and besides, that was one of a few media events of Western manufacturers holding an event on Abu Dhabi. That is in the Middle East for people not aware of geography. Now who the heck would want to show something (compelling, if it were) in the Middle East rather than London, Paris or even Barcelona. Of course, NYC and/or San Fran would be obvious venues. OR unless it is part of a planned trade show there .....
Is the iPad mini retina exactly the same as the iPad Air except for price and diagonal? That's what Apple's basically saying but I'd like to see benchmarks to make sure their CPU/GPU are exactly the same.
I don't really understand the appeal of the Mac Pro. It's been gimped straight out of the gate when compared to other workstation-class computers (HPZ820, 3DBOXX series, ect ect). 1 CPU socket and 4 DIMM slots!?! Then of course you force pro gpus (even on the lower tier where consumer/gaming GPUs would be just as adequate), but then don't consider that in some industries CUDA still has a fairly decent usage. I simply don't understand the decision to make a dinky cylinder when doing so has to leave some power of the cutting-room floor. The of course the wonkiness that I'm sure is going to crop up when trying to rack-mount one or multiple of these devices.
I'm sure it will sell fairly well to people who need no where close to the computing power, but it pretty much completely and utterly fails to compete at the ultra high-end workstation levels.
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Kevin G - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Mac Pro. That is what I want to see. I've been waiting years and saving just as long for this machine. Apple should be able to just take my money but I'm going to wait on reviews. If they come back negative for the new model, I'll snap up a dual Westmere model while they're still on the market and then kick myself in the head for waiting years when I could have bought this tower in 2010.mattbowler - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Why don't you just build a decent PC.That way, with all the money you save, you can buy yourself a nice pair of Jordans to kick yourself in the head with when you realise you should have done this in 2010.
Homeles - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I think most people that buy Macs are aware that they're more expensive. Why don't you build a useful comment?crispbp04 - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
If this guy has to save for 3 years to get a Mac he's probably too stupid to realize he could save thousands and get better hardware elsewhere... or better yet, build up the brain power necessary to build his own tower.vol7ron - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
You could do that, but then you couldn't legally run your own Mac OS. Budgeting over a period, for something you want, is actually a sign of intelligence. Sure you may be purchasing Louis Vuitton, instead of Guess, but while both perform the same function, if getting the LV brings more happiness (for whatever) then it seems a reasonable purchase, provided he has no complaints why he hasn't money to purchase something else.KevinZuber - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - link
Love my job, since I've been bringing in $5600… I sit at home, music playing while I work in front of my new iMac that I got now that I'm making it online(Click on menu Home)http://goo.gl/1AsVvL
crispbp04 - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I apologize for my prior statement. Everybody is entitled to have their own dream. Sometimes I rage out when people make seemingly poor decisions. I should preface that it was my opinion, sorry.vol7ron - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
It is more expensive for something that has a much cheaper alternative, but the design and quality does come at a premium. The price also naturally builds in that coveted exclusivity, which some people seem to care about, but Apple is actually better than it had been in the past (lowering this to a degree). I, for one, think computer hardware should be more expensive - it's a technological wonderment, but my reasoning considers alternative products; eg I don't think a nice computer should be the same price as a decent guitar, but that's the effect supply, demand, and competition have on price of products. Just think about during the 90s when brands like Gateway were selling computers at $2500, which was worth more then. Their quality hasn't changed much, but their price sure has.Murloc - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
lol no, it's the electric guitars being pricey because the market is small and they're analog devices. Also analog stuff requires more precision AFAIK, and they're not mass-producing them which drives costs down for integrated circuits. You can't do that with guitars.Apples to oranges imho.
vol7ron - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Follow-up because I'm not convinced you're trolling:1. "electric guitars" - I didn't qualify it with a certain type, but it was just a comparative example of products across different markets
2. "because the market is small" - that's what supply/demand is; there's a market for computers, there's a market for guitars and the markets are sometime shared. The elasticity of demand also factors in determining purchase (and buying/selling power). When doing comparisons, if one thing is small, it means the other is big in relation. But in your use of the work "market", I think you're referring to exactly what "demand" is - the amount of buyers at a particular price point.
3. Analog has nothing to do with it, neither does digital, and the claim that one requires more precision over another is plainly incorrect. I'll assume by precision you are also referring to accuracy.
4. "Mass-production" factors into supply/demand, price/cost curves, and economies of scale; generally, the more demand the better EoS you can achieve (though not always)
5. Regarding mass production, you could certainly do that with guitars
6. Yes it is apples to oranges, but it doesn't mean you can't compare. You're trading with water, and you can only have so much and may only buy so many apples and/or oranges.
teryan2006 - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
There are plenty of good reasons to NOT build his own tower, even if he is fully capable of doing so. If one needs a workstation for actual work (as oppose to a hobby / game machine), buying a prebuilt box is the far more intelligent thing to do. Instead of wasting time troubleshooting an issue, ordering parts, trying to get warranty replacement, it's much more dependable to walk into a store and get it fixed.AdamK47 - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Sometimes I come here to get a good laugh at the comments that are posted when Apple centric articles hit AnandTech. Keep it up!markthema3 - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Final Cut Pro X is why.mattbowler - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
How to start an argument online:Step 1) express an opinion
Step 2) wait
Homeles - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Hey, whatever makes you feel better about yourself.CecileWamsley - Monday, October 28, 2013 - link
my uncle just got a nice Six month old Chevrolet Express Van just by parttime work from a macbook. find out here... http://smal.ly/8wUo2michal1980 - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Up next, 500 pages of reviews on apple products. On look the new font is soo different then the old font. omg this new gold coating is soo much better then the other coating that was soo much better then before.DukeN - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Oh look new iPhone just invented widgets ZOMG THA BEST EVER!nutgirdle - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Go back to The Verge/Engadget/Whatever if you don't want to see this. Both of you. Many enjoy the high quality content at this site, and as a person considering a switch back into the iOS/OSX world after less than satisfactory WP8, 8.1, and Android experiences, I want to see this.vol7ron - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I am, for once, more interested in hearing about Mavericks, the new OS. Sure, hardware becomes more efficient, more productive, in each revision; but it's to the point that it's not as noticeable. Making a task perform in half the amount of nanoseconds doesn't translate too well into the at-home computer market. Therefore, I consider the hardware performance of personal devices (includes desktops) to have only increased marginally.On the other hand, there is still a giant slope for battery optimization potential. If you can double the length between charges, while still operating at last year's performance level, you've dramatically changed the quality of usability. The [sub]/conscious "fear" of having to plug-in your cord, or adding the "check battery level" into your routine, may be trivial, but still affects the quality of user experience. Combine this new OS with these new microchips and we're starting to realize something I've been looking forward to for some time --- the ability to travel with a laptop/device w/o bringing a cord.
B3an - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Lol i'm far more interested in that seriously sexy new Nokia tablet. No mention of that on here though.ESC2000 - Tuesday, October 29, 2013 - link
I'm really craving that nokia 1520! But I'm trying to figure out how to justify it given that the nexus 5 will only be $100 more OFF CONTRACT.Mondozai - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I've always viewed the perennial "you guys are biased towards Apple" complaints levelled here at Anandtech's comments' section and forums as baseless.But I'm starting to reconsider. I myself am most interested in getting an iPad Mini 2 as an upgrade from my 4th Gen iPad, but Nokia just launched a ton of new devices today and you guys don't even write about it. Have you guys decided simply not to cover the Windows Phone ecosystem? For people like me, non-fanboys who consider all altenatives and try to make a rational decision and not based on emotion, we want coverage on all things.
I don't demand that you liveblog the Nokia event which is far from America, Apple's events are much closer after all, but at least a news item or something. Stunning lack of interest in the 3rd biggest ecosystem.
eanazag - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I think the Nokia should/would be covered in pipeline. To some extent things are covered on the Dailytech feed on the side. There is a thing called logistics and it just doesn't cover travel distance. It covers people as well and if there is more than one event in a single day then it might not get covered here. There is one smartphone editor and Anand who can and does cover lots of stuff. Give them a break. I don't think the Nokia event is more interesting than Pipeline value. If Nokia provides some review units, then Yes we should see fair effort given to what is genuinely new. I have listened to the podcasts and agree that Windows on the Nokia devices doesn't really warant the same attention as Apple's event today.I am not expecting any shockers like Android based Nokia phones. The only thing I would find interesting is a Bay Trail Nokia tablet running Windows 8. Other than that meh.
Anand Lal Shimpi - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
It's just been a lack of time/bandwidth. I was in Montreal, then just came out here for this - meanwhile pushed out the T100/Surface2/SurfacePro2 reviews. Nokia's stuff is interesting for sure.teiglin - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
It's an issue of bias vs. interest. From what I can tell, Anand and Brian are both Mac and iPhone users, so Apple is a primary coverage topic for them. Obviously Brian also uses Android and Anand also seems to use the Moto X, but neither uses Windows Phone/RT at all, and I think Brian has commented in the past that he's just not interested.I don't think it makes them biased, insofar as what they say about Apple or Microsoft or Google is unfair, but it objectively leads to Apple having more time in the spotlight, and MacOS getting more in-depth coverage than Windows. That's what they use, so that's what they can talk about--I wouldn't want them to write about things they don't use/understand properly just for the sake of fulfilling some expectation of providing "balanced" coverage.
Nagorak - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Apple should have more time in the spotlight though. If you look at the usage numbers, there are many more people who buy Apple products than will buy Nokia's tablet or Surface. Whether you like them or not, you have to admit they have a dominant position at the moment. I would never buy an Apple product, but that doesn't mean I can't respect their position.ESC2000 - Sunday, October 27, 2013 - link
Sort of...iPad market share is dropping every quarter...35% market share last I saw and I'd bet it will be 10% like their phones and computers within a few yearstipoo - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Every publication follows the page views. Apple events generate lots of them, perhaps even more than full reviews of other competing products. By being here, you encouraged it. And the Nokia tablet looks like it could be good, but it's not very noteworthy, it's much like the Surface in a plastic shell.Anand Lal Shimpi - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
We were not invited to the Nokia event. I'd be interested in reviewing the tablet though. I'd love to see how S800 compares to Tegra 4 under Windows RT 8.1.DukeN - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
This was also evident when Blackberry was the third largest ecosystem (previous two years). Not a single BB OS 6 or OS 7 or OS 10 device review.Bob Todd - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - link
Are you actually suggesting there were compelling BB OS 6 or 7 devices to cover? Serious question. BB OS 10 I could see, it was the first truly interesting release from a user experience standpoint, and I say that as someone who was saddled with BlackBerry devices for 6 years.Homeles - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
The Android hivemind has already landed... brace yourselves.It's about damn time that the new MBPs came out. I hope that they launch today. Apple should have jumped on Haswell the moment it came out.
Not expecting anything too interesting about the iPads. Actually, I'd forgotten about the A7. Okay, I'm interested.
Boy... work is about to get busy...
cheinonen - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
As someone that's been waiting for a Haswell rMBP to come out badly, my thought on the delay was likely two things:- They needed a better GPU in there than the integrated ones available at the Haswell launch
- The extra GPU power didn't provide enough of a battery life improvement without the updated power saving features integrated into OSX Mavericks
So they had to wait for both of those to be available before they could launch and get the battery life improvement that we expect in an update. I could be wrong, but that's my guess.
solipsism - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I wouldn't count out the desire to offer TB2 in the new MBPs. This is needed for a proper 4K setup which Apple has stated many times despite (oddly) not offering one today even though their current display is quite costly at this end of its cycle and quite thick when you compare to the year old iMacs.YellowWing - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Apple is preparing a live feed for OS X and iOS users at www.apple.com/apple-events/october-2013If you have an Apple OS, you may be able to see it as it happens. Fingers crossed.
CBone - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Safari only? Come on, now. That's super lame. Apple should be inclusive on things like this rather than preaching to the choir.ApePriori - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I can't stand the continuous platform vs. platform schoolyard diss fight in the comments section of this otherwise excellent website. It's pointless, tiresome, and boring... not to mention it overwhelms any intelligent discussion that might occur in said comments. If you are someone who feels the need to engage in this nonsense maybe you also need to grow up, and if you're already grown up maybe you should just need to get out.Diogenes5 - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
This. Please take the fanboy comments to other sites. I have a Macbook Pro w/ Retina for work, a Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 for taking notes and light media usage, and just got my mom an Asus T100 as a portable desktop replacement for her.Platform agnostic is the way to go if you really want to max out your dollar. And I bought my macbook pro knowing full well I could get more bang for buck in terms of raw specs elsewhere. Technology is more than the sum of its parts sometimes. I don't blame apple users for spending more. For many people, convenience is priceless and not having to worry about the BS in windows (like terrible DPI scaling), is enough to pay that extra bit more.
esterhasz - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
It's literally the worst. Such a shame.tipoo - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Two things I'm hoping for are for the A7 + Retina Mini, and quad core 13" MBPs. The latter is more doubtful.The A5 Mini we have is already feeling a bit pokish in iOS7, it just takes longer to think about doing everything (not even counting the longer animations), frames drop all the time, and doing things like pulling down the notification shade lag well behind my finger (people often criticize Android for this lag, but it's very present in iOS too from what I see). A6 would be *ok*, sure, but what about in a year or two? And 64 bit will definitely be Apples next support cutoff point. And yeah, the current resolution is very noticeable at good distances for the screen size, and quite annoying for small text and even photos and movies.
And the quad core MBP, that would make it more worthy of the Pro name as well as allow Iris Pro 5200, if it's a dual it's stuck without the eDRAM. There are already 35w quad core parts and have been for a while, so it's just a matter of pricing, not thermals, so even if they offered it as an upgrade for the difference. A quad and 5200 would make the Retina 13" one hell of an attractive package.
rhughesjr - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
L-O-L. Brian needs an app that just auto-runs SpeedTest for him anytime he moves more than 5 feet. :Dmoep - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
pretty smart of Apple to put a speedtest.net server in the LAN, heh.PreacherEddie - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
100+MB wifi! I hope you are wearing lead-lined hats :)tipoo - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
The live stream on Apples website isn't loading on my Touch, meets the requirements. Anyone else?sligett - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I like that this blog is ahead of the "live" streaming from Apple. :-)Check101 - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Holy shit, live blogs are so exciting. The suspense. Cmon Haswell...REALfreaky - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
If anyone wants to stream this through VLC, here's the .m3u8:http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/1...
DukeN - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Can someone buy these guys a pair of pants and a shirt that was ironed in recent history?adityarjun - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Resolution of the new Macbook Airs?r3loaded - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Ugh, they really do love to drone on and on about the most mundane crap in the iLife/iWork suite. The only real downside to an Apple keynote.tipoo - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I'm confused. A7 just brought the iPhone to iPad 4 graphics levels with the A6X (a6X had double the GPU resources of the A6, thus the same-ish performance as the A7), but they're saying the same A7 doubled it from the iPad 4...? Yet it's not an A7X?Deelron - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I have a iPad 4 and my wife has a 5s, and doing the same tasks the A7 blows away the A6x. Granted there is a display difference, but it's not close. I am a bit skeptical that the difference will hold up on the larger display with just an A7, but we'll see soon enough.tipoo - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
The A7 has double the CPU performance of the A6X, yes. But the A6X is about the same in GPU performance, as it was itself double the A6 GPU performance as was the A7, making them about the same.That's what the X series has always done.
thejaredhuang - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Someone explain the logic of buying an Ipad Air over a retina mini? Battery life looks like the only physical difference.Nagorak - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
The Air is bigger. Not sure why that needs to be explained.extide - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I agree the iPad Mini Retina looks like the best bang/buck option in that lineup. The $70 cheaper iPad Mini original seems like a terrible deal from that same perspective, you certainly get a lot of upgrades for the $70 diff between the iPad mini retina/non retina.[email protected] - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - link
Everything is still idiotically overpriced spec for spec.adityarjun - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
What is my incentive for buying the air over the mini?Display size difference and m7 processor on air. Anything else?
fteoath64 - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - link
It is likely the Air has more RAM while the mini is still stuck with 512MB RAM (the fact that Apple did not specify the RAM size says a lot that is it the same as before!). Also, it would likely be FASTER than the mini as the CPU (and gpu) would be clocked higher!. It still has a large battery considering the size and weight of the thing. 451grams vs 331 grams weight. Mostly battery I presume.Mrke1 - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I'm sorry, but selling the iPad 2 for $399 is criminal.Bob Todd - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
You beat me to it. That's just ludicrous. Will anyone really bite on that? I know most people don't care about specs, but a measly 20% reduction in price for a model that's THREE generations old at this point seems absurd even for that majority of the population. I just laughed thinking about a BMW dealer having a new E36 3 series on the lot for only 20% less than an F30 :/.And while I'm sure they will sell tons of the retina minis, even the pricing on those seems a bit nuts. $400 for a 16GB WiFi? You can get a 32GB WiFi/LTE Nexus 7 for $50 less, or a comparable model for $170 less.
Bob Todd - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
And I say all of that as someone who has been waiting impatiently for the 13" rMBA refresh...Bob Todd - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Damn no edit, rMBP.Spunjji - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Word. I told a friend to wait for the new releases before making a purchase; not sure what to recommend now as they have a low budget. Can't recommend an A5 device now iOS7 is out, so I guess it's a Retina Mini for them...eanazag - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
What are the iPad memory specs? Still 512MB in the Retina Mini? 1GB across all new? 2GB anywhere? Obviously still the same slow ass eMMC or there would have been a slide for that. Does the boost in WiFi speed matter if you can't write internally any faster? MiMo is a decent idea for hotspot functionality on Verizon iPads or Airplay scenarios.I'm tired with how slow restoring, copying files to and from PC over USB is. I think nothing is rectified on that front. Want to move an HD 4GB movie to iOS? Sure at 10 minutes. If you want to move several for kids on a long trip, ugh. They need to at least boost the speed to push the USB 2.0 bus. That would be enough to hold off for a device or two. I'd love to see USB 3.0, but just don't feel that is coming anytime soon because it would likely require a new cable.
Spunjji - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Not even sure they could do USB 3 using the Lightning connector; I think they'd need more pins.mporter - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Man the iPad Air looks so sick. This is how you make a tablet. Honestly Apple with their incredible design and superior ecosystem (450,000 tablet apps!) make all the competitors offerings look like a joke. The Nokia looks better on paper ( http://versus.com/en/apple-ipad-air-vs-nokia-lumia... ) but let's face it, it's way behind!DukeN - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Yes, it's better on paper hence it's way behind.Perfect example of iTard logic.
JDG1980 - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
The new Mac Pro looks neat. I'd be interested to see just how loud it actually is, and what the thermals are like if you run a burn-in test such as Linpack.What exactly is a FirePro D300? A quick Google search turns up nothing but references to this presentation. Are we talking Cape Verde, Pitcairn, Tahiti, something newer?
The iPad Air looks like just an incremental improvement on the existing iPad 4. Faster CPU+GPU, thinner... not much else important has changed. The Retina iPad Mini will be a welcome addition, though, for people who find the 10-inch tablets too big.
The iPad 2 is an embarrassment in this day and age. It should either be discontinued or dropped to $249 or less.
The Von Matrices - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I completely agree with all your comments.The updates (excluding the Mac Pro) are iterative; there's nothing revolutionary here.I am curious about the MacBook Air's display. That was always its weak point, and seeing as it was not mentioned in detail I doubt the display got replaced. The biggest thing I noticed is that there are some bad pricing decisions. Unless it got a price cut there's no reason to buy a MacBook air. Selling the 3-generation old iPad 2 for $399 is ludicrous. And the cases are ridiculously priced too - $79 for an iPad case and $39 for a cover - seriously? That's 1/4 the price of the low end model, or the difference between an iPad 2 and a iPad Air.
The Mac Pro is nice but it's a questionable value proposition in its current form. Having no dual CPU models is sure to turn off many. At this point the only reason to buy it is if you really want Final Cut Pro or if you value design over everything else. Otherwise, you can get a much cheaper Windows workstation and use Adobe Premiere or Sony Vegas OR get a Windows workstation with dual processors and much more performance for the same price.
By the way, the D300 is a Pitcairn based card with 1280SP; the specs are posted on Apple's website.
JDG1980 - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Nice catch. So it looks like the D300 is basically a rebranded FirePro W7000 with half the RAM.Ytterbium - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Seems like D300 is W7000, D400 is W8000 & D500 is W9000. You get less ram with 3,4 and same with D5. The price of fully loaded Mac Pro with D500's and 12core will be insane?Ashesofasker - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Great coverage - thank you.About Mavericks and Iris Pro graphics: how big a performance gain do you think we will see e.g. on the entry level 21.5 iMac that you reviewed a couple of weeks ago?
fteoath64 - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - link
I think the 21.5 iMac is a close indication of the performance for Iris Pro but it has no SSD so with SSD (very fast PCIe ones at that) the new Pro could be fast!. It is a pity Apple skimmed on the 13inch using Iris only rather than Iris Pro gpu. The MBP should have discrete Nvidia as well for the price. It is a huge jump to a discrete gpu MBP (ie $600) yeah more RAM and bigger SSD but $2600!!!.robco - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Looks like Anand and crew have quite a bit of work ahead of them. I'm interested to see how the new 13" rMBPs fare.Personally I was a bit disappointed to see the price jump in the 15" just to get a dGPU - you're required to buy the 16GB/512GB model. I was also surprised that there wasn't a Thunderbolt 2 display with USB 3.0 and possibly a 4K version to go alongside the Mac Pro. As for the iPad, a lighter full-size model is nice (calling it an Air seems stupid), but at $100 over the new Retina mini, the only thing you get is the larger display.
I'll be looking forward the reviews over the next few weeks.
The Von Matrices - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Someone explain to me why the Mac Pro slide has "motion sensor" highlighted. What is the point of this in a desktop system?vol7ron - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I think at the WWDC they talked about how the motion sensor is supposed to light up and rotate/expose the ports. So the thing isn't always bright and blue, which is noticeable and distracting in low-light settings.fteoath64 - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - link
This is a gimmick to sense the ROTATION of the unit for the led-lights of the Ports to show when rotated. Since it is black, the light indicate which port type it is. Very difficult to see especially if people put this on the floor or a cabinet by the desk. One would love to see a Wall-E retractable LED beam light poping out from the topside of the ports to illuminate the whole array brightly.darkich - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
So the A7 in iPads.No A7X.
But on second thought, it makes sense.
The A6X had to have a new designation because of a new GPU compared to the A6 in iPhone 5.
This, otoh, is simply an up clocked version of the A7 chip, both in CPU and GPU.
I'd guess the numbers are 1.7Ghz in CPU and 450-500Mhz in GPU.(based on the slides from Apple, GPU should have double the power of the SGX 554MP4, which means around 150GFLOPS)
teiglin - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
So no hands-on with the new MacBooks? I'm pretty disappointed by the 13" rMBP--I was hoping they'd squeeze either a i7-4750HQ or at least 4702HQ into that chassis--and after checking the product pages, it's $300 to go from the i5-4258U to the i7-4558U (a clock speed bump of only 400MHz). At least the upgrade from 4GB RAM/128GB SSD to 8/256 is only $200. Still, absent a quad-core CPU or competent GPU for games, it's just not appealing to me compared to high-res ultrabooks.Bob Todd - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I'm not sure 4702HQ would really make sense with HD 4600 graphics. And i7-4750HQ doesn't really make sense with a sizable TDP jump from 35W to 47W. The price drop was very welcome, as the 8GB/256GB model would be my bare minimum config. It will be interesting to see what the Zenbook Infinity gets priced at, but I imagine we now know their ceiling for various configurations.About the high res ultrabook comparison, those are still over $1K, and outside of the aforementioned Zenbook Infinity, nobody seems to want to even include HD 5000 let alone HD 5100. The 13" Sony Vaio Pro would be interesting with better WiFi performance and HD 5100, but I'd want a higher res screen so I could use the desktop at 200% scaling.
teiglin - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - link
HD4600 should be plenty to push 2560x1600 for non-gaming--I mean, that same screen has been running for a year on the Ivy rMBP's HD4000, not to mention the ultrabooks with HD4400 and 3200x1800 screens (though not having used any, this could be a horrible argument).Lenovo's Yoga 2 (w/ 13" 3200x1800 screen) is currently $1150 for the 8GB RAM/256GB SSD model. Yeah, you step down to a 15W i5-4200U, shaving 300MHz off max clocks, and of course, Lenovo decided to skip 802.11ac this time around for unfathomable reasons--but it still is higher-res for $350 less. That said, I have heard that 200% scaling is still rather problematic even on Win8.1--not that I've tried it myself.
I only mentioned the 4750HQ because the chassis can at least theoretically accommodate it if they were so inclined--I mean, if Razer can cool a 37W i7 plus a discrete GPU in a slightly longer and wider yet thinner chassis, Apple can certainly cool a 47W CPU by itself. I think it remains a matter of differentiation as others have mentioned--the 15" rMBP remains the premium one, with the quad-core and the (optional) dGPU, while the 13" remains in some strange middle space above the Air/ultrabooks but still saddled with low-end mobile silicon.
Bob Todd - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - link
I wasn't so much worried about the potential for the chassis to handle the 4750HQ, but for what that would do for battery life. The 15" has a 23% higher capacity battery to squeak out that 8 hour run time. From a product management/marketing perspective, I think 8+ hours was a good goal for both machines. Having a cpu in the 13" with a 68% higher TDP might have made that goal impossible, and the 13" should obviously be the more mobility focused of the two.extide - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I am a little bit disappointed to not see Crystalwell in the 13" rMBP. :(Bob Todd - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Well there's still no sign of dual core Crystalwell parts, and I don't think there was any reason to expect quads in the 13". That's one of the big differentiators to step up to the 15". And it's $200 cheaper than last year.skiboysteve - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
anyone else notice the usual aura around mavericks like it is so innovative... but literally windows already has all of those features? memory deduplication: check. timer coalescing, check. optimized video pipeline: check...vol7ron - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Agree on some of that. Windows doesn't get much credit, but does Windows have reduced drawing of layered objects? That is, no drawing when not visible. This is a neat feature that can save lots of battery and free up GPU ops.fteoath64 - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - link
But Windows8 lacked a friendly UI with nice and easy keyshortcuts and a BSD kernel that is a 'Nix. Windows kernel is an ancient NT done a decade ago with little changes. If only Windows would bring their framework to Linux, it would be perfect and gives a real choice to all other Linux distros out there!. ie Windows like RT on top of Linux kernel so my 3.11.3 kernel runs and the rest is just like Win8. Rock solid and allows any number of different window managers to run.This is where people can emulate OSX as closely as they wanted legally. MS is too stubborn to do this with all their resources. Just a pure waste of mind power ....
tipoo - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
I'm confused. A7 just bought the iPhone to iPad 4 graphics levels with the A6X (a6X had double the GPU resources of the A6, thus the same-ish performance as the A7), but they're saying the same A7 doubled it from the iPad 4...? Yet it's not an A7X?Both claims can't be true. Unless they doubled performance without calling it an X series, or if the new claim takes different metrics, Apple themselves also claimed the A7 was double the A6 during the 5S announcement, so now turning around and saying it's also double the performance of the A6X is a bit underhanded.
If it's the same old A7, that's less performance at hand per pixel than the iPhone 5S, seeing as they have a lot more pixels to push in retina iPads.
vol7ron - Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - link
Not sure if this is the case, but increasing the clock speed changes performancepuffpio - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - link
So the new 13" Haswell rMBP offer 128MB, 256MB, or 512MB SSD optionsDo we know anything about them? Are any faster than the other? Or they all the same speed? Sometimes when you go larger capacity they get faster as you can stripe data across multiple chips.
Sandcat - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - link
I realize this covers the Apple event, but there was also a Microsoft event in Abu Dhabi yesterday as well....no coverage?thesavvymage - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - link
It was a Nokia event, and Anand commented earlier in this thread saying he was not invitedfteoath64 - Wednesday, October 23, 2013 - link
That was very phone centric and besides, that was one of a few media events of Western manufacturers holding an event on Abu Dhabi. That is in the Middle East for people not aware of geography. Now who the heck would want to show something (compelling, if it were) in the Middle East rather than London, Paris or even Barcelona. Of course, NYC and/or San Fran would be obvious venues. OR unless it is part of a planned trade show there .....Elphi Goji - Friday, October 25, 2013 - link
can't wait for the Ipad AirGreenThumbSD - Friday, October 25, 2013 - link
How many wifi antennas does the new 13" rMBP have. Apple says this information is not for public use so they won't answer this.farhadd - Sunday, October 27, 2013 - link
Is the iPad mini retina exactly the same as the iPad Air except for price and diagonal? That's what Apple's basically saying but I'd like to see benchmarks to make sure their CPU/GPU are exactly the same.dudeman01 - Wednesday, October 30, 2013 - link
I don't really understand the appeal of the Mac Pro. It's been gimped straight out of the gate when compared to other workstation-class computers (HPZ820, 3DBOXX series, ect ect). 1 CPU socket and 4 DIMM slots!?! Then of course you force pro gpus (even on the lower tier where consumer/gaming GPUs would be just as adequate), but then don't consider that in some industries CUDA still has a fairly decent usage. I simply don't understand the decision to make a dinky cylinder when doing so has to leave some power of the cutting-room floor. The of course the wonkiness that I'm sure is going to crop up when trying to rack-mount one or multiple of these devices.I'm sure it will sell fairly well to people who need no where close to the computing power, but it pretty much completely and utterly fails to compete at the ultra high-end workstation levels.
manianand74 - Wednesday, November 6, 2013 - link
Are you planning to review the new MacbookPro anytime soon?philipus - Saturday, November 30, 2013 - link
When is the review of the MBPr 13 inch coming? I'm really looking forward to that one.