Oops, missed that. Looks like this could be a good competitor to S1200. Despite it having been released several months ago, I've only ever seen one S1200-based board released for the DIY market (the Supermicro X9SBAA-F) and it is hard to find, not sold on Newegg or any of the usual places. I hope that the Opteron X will have a wider range of user-accessible platforms available. This could be very useful for a firewall/router, maybe even a ZFS NAS (but that's probably a bit ambitious, given ZFS's hefty system requirements).
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I wonder if it would make sense for Intel to start offering their own virtualization software.
Or possibly think of buying one producer. Vmware is valued currently over 30B and it's quite expensive in terms of P/E, but maybe there are other options available...
Doesn't make any sense. EMC bought VMware and then spun them off. The structure of hardware and software companies are not cohesive enough. At the end of the day you end up with 2 different management teams in order to run the 2 different outfits successfully. Might as well just leave them be and create partnership instead of ownership.
I have been hoping for this. This should have been done with Brazos. I wanted SFF and low heat for simple tasks. I just want to create some appliance like devices. I have a need for a mobile file server too. I thought and think Atom sucks.
What AMD hasn't talked about is whether this will be available in retail for DIYers. I understand many Anandtech readers are hardcore hardware aficcionados, but unless AMD takes marketing the X2150 seriously and comes up with some good partners, this will be nothing more than a grand - albeit empty - gesture, sure to enrage enthusiasts if it never makes it to the DIY market.
Yes, as a BGA-only solution, I guess partners will be hand-picked to be server ones... I can't look at this as a teentsy server solution, but as a solution for dense server racks that require some OpenCL compute ability.
How good is it really at those tasks that AMD offers as ideal? (web hosting, multimedia serving, etc...)
Has anyone come up with a consumer-oriented webserver task that is really Compute driven which could really turn these kittens into real live jaguars?
It's time for Intel and MS to wake up, realize it's not the 1990's anymore, and come back down to Earth with the rest of the mere mortal corporations like Qualcomm, Google, etc who don't try to milk the consumer on the front end and the back end.
Component manufacturers now get their profits from selling lots and lots of cheaper devices, not a few more expensive ones. Intel is high on their high margins, but in no time they're going to be surrounded by lots and lots of cheapo "good enough" devices that the market has time and again said is its heart's desire.
Intel is going to quickly become irrelevant to most consumer devices, reducing them to corporate customers and taking the whole PC hobbyist niche with them if they don't stop screwing around.
The last figure is really good, because it makes you really realize the difference that android and arm have done to the traditional x86 market. For the first time in over 20 years i just think, man it have changed, and it will never ever come back. The use of computing have fundamentally changed - jaguar/new atom whatever. The fpu of jaguar even looks like a big fat dinosaur compared to whats pushing big time all over the globe.
The ironic thing is that the increase in number of connected devices, those where Android and ARM have a strong foothold, are also increasing the needs for back end Compute resources in DataCenters the world over. Thats where Intel right now is dominating (and AMD is going through a 2-3 year reset). So the more Tablets and Smartphones and etc people buy, the more Xeons Intel sells for the back end. And I am sure Anand and others can confirm that margins in that market are wayyyy better than in the desktop world.
Yes, but the fundamental story from the figure is, the dynamics created by the new arm/android situation again leads to new situation we can not yet predict. It looks like more profit on the - as we see it - safe x86 server side and thereby Intel that can even transist their proces capacity from mobile to the serverside - as indicated by Otellini in recent interveiw.
But that might be a wrong asumption just 5 years from now. Look what happened to Otellinis own predictions about what price an mainstream notebook is and would be - it just plunged, and still cant get a grib to reality.
Looks like a very nice small workstation/desktop CPU. Add 2 DDR2-1600 ECC dimms, a SSD, and 16-32GB ram. I hope one of the AMD partners does a Intel NUC/Supermicro Brix equivalent. 4 2GHz cores, ECC memory, low cost, and very low power usage (read that as easy to make silent) sounds good to me. After all why should a ECC workstation cost $1k or more?
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JDG1980 - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
Did AMD specify if these parts include ECC support?DanNeely - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
First image says 2x DDR3-1600 w ECCJDG1980 - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
Oops, missed that. Looks like this could be a good competitor to S1200. Despite it having been released several months ago, I've only ever seen one S1200-based board released for the DIY market (the Supermicro X9SBAA-F) and it is hard to find, not sold on Newegg or any of the usual places. I hope that the Opteron X will have a wider range of user-accessible platforms available. This could be very useful for a firewall/router, maybe even a ZFS NAS (but that's probably a bit ambitious, given ZFS's hefty system requirements).WhiteAdam - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
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zepi - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
I wonder if it would make sense for Intel to start offering their own virtualization software.Or possibly think of buying one producer. Vmware is valued currently over 30B and it's quite expensive in terms of P/E, but maybe there are other options available...
vision33r - Thursday, May 30, 2013 - link
Doesn't make any sense. EMC bought VMware and then spun them off. The structure of hardware and software companies are not cohesive enough. At the end of the day you end up with 2 different management teams in order to run the 2 different outfits successfully. Might as well just leave them be and create partnership instead of ownership.eanazag - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
I have been hoping for this. This should have been done with Brazos. I wanted SFF and low heat for simple tasks. I just want to create some appliance like devices. I have a need for a mobile file server too. I thought and think Atom sucks.LemmingOverlord - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
What AMD hasn't talked about is whether this will be available in retail for DIYers. I understand many Anandtech readers are hardcore hardware aficcionados, but unless AMD takes marketing the X2150 seriously and comes up with some good partners, this will be nothing more than a grand - albeit empty - gesture, sure to enrage enthusiasts if it never makes it to the DIY market.Think AMD, think!
Anand Lal Shimpi - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
We will see Kabini based mini-ITX motherboards in the market. I doubt we'll see many Kyoto based platforms though.Casper42 - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
If its a competitor to the Atom and supports ECC, I wonder how long before HP puts it here?http://h17007.www1.hp.com/us/en/enterprise/servers...
45 Kyoto nodes in 4.3U, 135 nodes in 13U, 405 nodes per 39U (42U standard rack basically)
LemmingOverlord - Thursday, May 30, 2013 - link
Yes, as a BGA-only solution, I guess partners will be hand-picked to be server ones... I can't look at this as a teentsy server solution, but as a solution for dense server racks that require some OpenCL compute ability.How good is it really at those tasks that AMD offers as ideal? (web hosting, multimedia serving, etc...)
Has anyone come up with a consumer-oriented webserver task that is really Compute driven which could really turn these kittens into real live jaguars?
Casper42 - Thursday, February 6, 2014 - link
And here we are:http://www8.hp.com/us/en/products/proliant-servers...
HisDivineOrder - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
It's time for Intel and MS to wake up, realize it's not the 1990's anymore, and come back down to Earth with the rest of the mere mortal corporations like Qualcomm, Google, etc who don't try to milk the consumer on the front end and the back end.Component manufacturers now get their profits from selling lots and lots of cheaper devices, not a few more expensive ones. Intel is high on their high margins, but in no time they're going to be surrounded by lots and lots of cheapo "good enough" devices that the market has time and again said is its heart's desire.
Intel is going to quickly become irrelevant to most consumer devices, reducing them to corporate customers and taking the whole PC hobbyist niche with them if they don't stop screwing around.
MrSpadge - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
Sure, that's why we're getting a complete redesign of atom at the end of this year...krumme - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
The last figure is really good, because it makes you really realize the difference that android and arm have done to the traditional x86 market. For the first time in over 20 years i just think, man it have changed, and it will never ever come back. The use of computing have fundamentally changed - jaguar/new atom whatever. The fpu of jaguar even looks like a big fat dinosaur compared to whats pushing big time all over the globe.Casper42 - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
The ironic thing is that the increase in number of connected devices, those where Android and ARM have a strong foothold, are also increasing the needs for back end Compute resources in DataCenters the world over.Thats where Intel right now is dominating (and AMD is going through a 2-3 year reset).
So the more Tablets and Smartphones and etc people buy, the more Xeons Intel sells for the back end. And I am sure Anand and others can confirm that margins in that market are wayyyy better than in the desktop world.
krumme - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
Yes, but the fundamental story from the figure is, the dynamics created by the new arm/android situation again leads to new situation we can not yet predict. It looks like more profit on the - as we see it - safe x86 server side and thereby Intel that can even transist their proces capacity from mobile to the serverside - as indicated by Otellini in recent interveiw.But that might be a wrong asumption just 5 years from now. Look what happened to Otellinis own predictions about what price an mainstream notebook is and would be - it just plunged, and still cant get a grib to reality.
Memristor - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
What CPU-socket are they using, is it an FM2 or FT3 (BGA769)?Cerb - Thursday, May 30, 2013 - link
"The Kyoto parts are BGA-only (...)"krumme - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
“What is so important about the client side is it is driving data center, which is driving servers,” Feldman saidhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2040045/amd-bridges...
"AMD hopes to fill the need for scalable servers through Kyoto, which is AMD’s first step in the low-power processor arena, Feldman said. "
Memristor - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
I can answer my own question now: It is an FT3 BGA package.spikebike - Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - link
Looks like a very nice small workstation/desktop CPU. Add 2 DDR2-1600 ECC dimms, a SSD, and 16-32GB ram. I hope one of the AMD partners does a Intel NUC/Supermicro Brix equivalent. 4 2GHz cores, ECC memory, low cost, and very low power usage (read that as easy to make silent) sounds good to me. After all why should a ECC workstation cost $1k or more?krumme - Thursday, May 30, 2013 - link
Purely segmentationMGSsancho - Friday, May 31, 2013 - link
Maybe this will finally replace Atom CPUs in NAS units sold by everyone. Might also make for a great router/firewall boxAnand; Any word on how many PCI-e lanes these chips have? Also is it safe to assume these are full Jaguar cores so we get AES instructions?
Anato - Saturday, June 1, 2013 - link
Hoping some micro ATX modos with 2 PCI slots and >=6 SATA ports.takeship - Saturday, June 1, 2013 - link
I'm shocked, just shocked. AMD is saying they can give 2x Atom performance at 2x Atom TDP? Who'd have thunk it?