Nokia 105 for 15 euros and you can potentially get by with charging it once a month?! WHAAAAT? I would like to see the specs / features on that thing :) That's almost exactly $20 USD
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Why would they diversify more? We are talking about a company who has taken a serious beating the last few years and is essentially starting over from scratch. Here in the US they simply cannot make enough phones fast enough to keep the popular colors in stock on the L920, and the phone has been out a while now. If they were to diversify their manufacturing even further (because Nokia makes all of their own mid to high end phones, and only contracts out their lower end devices) then you would simply never be able to find their phones anywhere.
Besides, they are doing just fine with WP8 now that consumers are not afraid of being left behind (like they were with the WP7 offerings). And almost everyone makes the full range of Android phones, why fight in an over saturated market when the WP market is essentially wide open?
According to Kantar WorldPanel, in the UK, WP8 has jumped from 2.4% marketshare to 6%. Also, seems that 1 in every new WP8 buyer has jumped ship from Android.
From other sources:
In Germany, windows phone went from %2.4 in December 2012 to %5.1 in January 2013
In Italy %14
France %5.7
In Russia %6
In U.S, from last month , Windows Phone is now %3.2 from around %2.6
Contrary to what you stated, it seems to me that WP8 is getting momentum outside the US.
Yes it's not wining the US market and that's a vital flaw to the business change of Nokia. It's self evident and pretty straight forward why it doesn't win there. It's too much competition from iOS, Android, and Blackberry, and previously even webos. (BB10 won't take the same market share in EU as in US and Canada). Other markets can handle a platitude of platforms much better, US can't really support 4-5 platforms and the MS strategy of aggressively push out others and become the third largest fails and by that it also fails to gain even the same market share the largely unnoticed Symbian devices had, even in the US.
Well, even in the US it has had gains in the order of 25% (from 2.6 to 3.2%) in its market share, if they keep this pace every quarter, they will reach 10% of the market share in the US in a year. I think the US market is big enough to accomodate 4-5 plataforms.
What hardware? They have pretty much closed down their own manufacturing and development facilities that's why they can't even if the customers wants it deliver anything on Symbian and MeeGo now as the facilities finishing those products doesn't exist anymore, not because they decided to scrap those products. Their plants in Europe is closed. It's all ODM-products which they can't really develop and test themselves any more. It's simply moving to contract manufacturing and at the same time fired all the software and hardware developers.
Despite having most of their previously 60k employees in manufacturing related jobs. They have exited the market almost altogether as anything else then Microsoft's brand of ODM Windows Phone devices. They will need fewer employees then Blackberry/RIM to survive on Windows Phone, and going S40 and trying to pass it off as a smartphone was the wrong way to go that was only forced because of Elops direction of not allowing new Symbian/MeeGo devices. The new Nokia should gain no favors from the old and they shouldn't even be allowed to use their brand name for the money Microsoft put in it. Nokia should just be a holding company for Nokia Siemens Networks (NSN) telco/network equipment business as they have handled and dismantled all the rest without trying to get any money of their old plants/business. Just spin it out and be done with it and then you can downsize and turn it into nothing however you like. Doing a Motorola type downsizing isn't inspiring.
It's a management culture that was foreign to a Scandinavian company with profits and growing sales up to the quarter after Elop. Blackberry 10 is now using Qt (previously owned and developed by Nokia) and a POSIXs compliant platform so it's the successor in spirit and technology to MeeGo and webOS any way. Let's see if the Finish neighbors can do anything with Jolla too though. Going Android would have been the wrong way, they can't survive as a has been with contract manufactured Android phones either and have competition from other has beens and semi large firms, but delivering on running a Android compatibility layer on top of their own OS/APIs/platform would have been a smart thing to do, but as said BB10 delivered on that. Plus is set to be the third largest platform. The Qt Mobility framework could have been and was a much larger platform then WP will ever be even if your extremely positive of it's outlook. BB10 delivers on apps before the platform is even out so it's not like you have to do it the Microsoft way.
I bought my gf a Nokia 820 (920 too big for her), and despite being an Android user myself, I can honestly say the beauty of the device is how intuitive the user interface was to a new user of Windows Phone 8.
I did not feel this from Android, and defiantly not from an Apple device.
It works smoothly, and fast.
And I shall buy one for myself.
Now, how to hack out that dam Facebook and Twitter that are hard-coded in? Why, oh why would they do that to us....
Like the guy above said. WP8 is actually doing much better in Europe than it is in the US. It's getting some serious market share in places like Italy, and a lot of businesses are starting to like the platform (nokia specifically).
If you're going to say windows phone is going nowhere, try and back it up, because it certainly isn't true. Plenty of studies are showing decent gains for the platform, and huge growth relative to itself. Things are only going up, and you have to start somewhere.
I wonder if people complained about the iPhone not using a blackberry OS or something similar at the time.
I was sure that Nokia was going to at least announce the next gen super phone. Some sort of Lumia 1020 with a quad core, 2GB of ram, and SD card support.
Also, weren't we expecting the new EOS lineup with the big full Pureview cameras? Maybe they will have a follow-up announcement?
All that said, I am stoked they are finally making a wireless charging car holder! I love my 920, but GPS can kill the battery faster than anything (except Skype). So while I like the navigation on my phone better than my ancient Garmin, I still use the Garmin simply because I want to be able to use my phone once I get to my destination.
It simply amazes me at just how many devices modern smartphones replace. My Lumia 920 has replaced my personal netbook, my work laptop, watch, old cell phone, home phone, Kindle, MP3 Player, DS, still camera, video camera, GPS, and eventually my wallet (minus my ID and a bit of cash). For me that is replacing 11 devices, each of which have their own chargers and accessories to deal with, and does not include my wife's stuff that has been replaced by her smartphone. Going from a literal sea of portable devices in my house down to essentially 2 PCs and 2 smart phones is quite a liberating experience, and while the phone itself is a bit expensive, it ends up being a whole lot cheaper to have a single do-everything device rather than buying a ton of moderately priced single-purpose devices. The obvious problem being if my one device breaks then I am up a creek, but so far the L920 seems pretty bullet proof, and there will soon be some cheap replacements to get me by between when I would break it and when my contract would renew for the 'next big thing'.
The majority of phone buyers do not care about the OS. Only if it is Apple or not. Mostly not as cost has been a big factor and so is availability of handsets in general with reasonable prices to the average buyer. This is where Android and the "rest" being WP and now BB10 becomes a big part of the volume. Since Android mostly comes in black colour or just plain white, the choices of different funky colours goes to WP (I was laughing before) but it actually works in the market in reality. Android buyers are faced with huge choice complexities and price points that make choosing difficult. WP can make this easier and typically (if sales assistant is around) will get the sale. Of course, high-end smartphone buyers are different from the mid-range average buyer. So targetting the market segment has been Nokia's strength for a long time. It is good to see them coming back to this mid-range and low-end market where they played before with huge volumes where the turnaround was fast and those phone hardly last a full 12 months ....
All I want is something for the 808 Pureview :( Like now Nokia have ditched Symbian straight after launching it, surely they can give us a Windows Phone update or something?
The majority of phone buyers do not care about the OS. Only if it is Apple or not. Mostly not as cost has been a big factor and so is availability of handsets in general with reasonable prices to the average buyer. This is where Android and the "rest" being WP and now BB10 becomes a big part of the volume. http://itechbook.net
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Paulman - Monday, February 25, 2013 - link
Nokia 105 for 15 euros and you can potentially get by with charging it once a month?! WHAAAAT? I would like to see the specs / features on that thing :) That's almost exactly $20 USDilihijan - Sunday, March 3, 2013 - link
I just got paid $6784 working on my laptop using these simple steps leaked on this web page. Make up to $85 per hour doing simple tasks that are so easy to do that you won't forgive yourself if you don't check it out! Weekly payments! Here is what I've been doing Epic2.c(om)Fx1 - Monday, February 25, 2013 - link
Seriously Nokia when will you WAKE UP and see Windows Phone is going nowhere. Make an Android phone for gods sake. Nokia hardware + Android = winCaedenV - Monday, February 25, 2013 - link
Why would they diversify more? We are talking about a company who has taken a serious beating the last few years and is essentially starting over from scratch. Here in the US they simply cannot make enough phones fast enough to keep the popular colors in stock on the L920, and the phone has been out a while now. If they were to diversify their manufacturing even further (because Nokia makes all of their own mid to high end phones, and only contracts out their lower end devices) then you would simply never be able to find their phones anywhere.Besides, they are doing just fine with WP8 now that consumers are not afraid of being left behind (like they were with the WP7 offerings). And almost everyone makes the full range of Android phones, why fight in an over saturated market when the WP market is essentially wide open?
Exodite - Monday, February 25, 2013 - link
The problem here isn't the US market, it's the rest of the world.Elop's Nokia effectively traded their worldwide presence for entry into the one market where where they traditionally weren't important - the US.
As for manufacturing it's no longer in-house.
Like their R&D and pretty much the majority of the company it's been shut down and tasked to Asian companies.
I agree about one thing though, Android can't offer Nokia what they need at this point. It's too late for that.
sviola - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - link
According to Kantar WorldPanel, in the UK, WP8 has jumped from 2.4% marketshare to 6%. Also, seems that 1 in every new WP8 buyer has jumped ship from Android.From other sources:
In Germany, windows phone went from %2.4 in December 2012 to %5.1 in January 2013
In Italy %14
France %5.7
In Russia %6
In U.S, from last month , Windows Phone is now %3.2 from around %2.6
Contrary to what you stated, it seems to me that WP8 is getting momentum outside the US.
Penti - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - link
Yes it's not wining the US market and that's a vital flaw to the business change of Nokia. It's self evident and pretty straight forward why it doesn't win there. It's too much competition from iOS, Android, and Blackberry, and previously even webos. (BB10 won't take the same market share in EU as in US and Canada). Other markets can handle a platitude of platforms much better, US can't really support 4-5 platforms and the MS strategy of aggressively push out others and become the third largest fails and by that it also fails to gain even the same market share the largely unnoticed Symbian devices had, even in the US.sviola - Wednesday, February 27, 2013 - link
Well, even in the US it has had gains in the order of 25% (from 2.6 to 3.2%) in its market share, if they keep this pace every quarter, they will reach 10% of the market share in the US in a year. I think the US market is big enough to accomodate 4-5 plataforms.Penti - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - link
What hardware? They have pretty much closed down their own manufacturing and development facilities that's why they can't even if the customers wants it deliver anything on Symbian and MeeGo now as the facilities finishing those products doesn't exist anymore, not because they decided to scrap those products. Their plants in Europe is closed. It's all ODM-products which they can't really develop and test themselves any more. It's simply moving to contract manufacturing and at the same time fired all the software and hardware developers.Despite having most of their previously 60k employees in manufacturing related jobs. They have exited the market almost altogether as anything else then Microsoft's brand of ODM Windows Phone devices. They will need fewer employees then Blackberry/RIM to survive on Windows Phone, and going S40 and trying to pass it off as a smartphone was the wrong way to go that was only forced because of Elops direction of not allowing new Symbian/MeeGo devices. The new Nokia should gain no favors from the old and they shouldn't even be allowed to use their brand name for the money Microsoft put in it. Nokia should just be a holding company for Nokia Siemens Networks (NSN) telco/network equipment business as they have handled and dismantled all the rest without trying to get any money of their old plants/business. Just spin it out and be done with it and then you can downsize and turn it into nothing however you like. Doing a Motorola type downsizing isn't inspiring.
It's a management culture that was foreign to a Scandinavian company with profits and growing sales up to the quarter after Elop. Blackberry 10 is now using Qt (previously owned and developed by Nokia) and a POSIXs compliant platform so it's the successor in spirit and technology to MeeGo and webOS any way. Let's see if the Finish neighbors can do anything with Jolla too though. Going Android would have been the wrong way, they can't survive as a has been with contract manufactured Android phones either and have competition from other has beens and semi large firms, but delivering on running a Android compatibility layer on top of their own OS/APIs/platform would have been a smart thing to do, but as said BB10 delivered on that. Plus is set to be the third largest platform. The Qt Mobility framework could have been and was a much larger platform then WP will ever be even if your extremely positive of it's outlook. BB10 delivers on apps before the platform is even out so it's not like you have to do it the Microsoft way.
Notmyusualid - Monday, February 25, 2013 - link
Actually I think you are wrong.I bought my gf a Nokia 820 (920 too big for her), and despite being an Android user myself, I can honestly say the beauty of the device is how intuitive the user interface was to a new user of Windows Phone 8.
I did not feel this from Android, and defiantly not from an Apple device.
It works smoothly, and fast.
And I shall buy one for myself.
Now, how to hack out that dam Facebook and Twitter that are hard-coded in? Why, oh why would they do that to us....
karasaj - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - link
Like the guy above said. WP8 is actually doing much better in Europe than it is in the US. It's getting some serious market share in places like Italy, and a lot of businesses are starting to like the platform (nokia specifically).If you're going to say windows phone is going nowhere, try and back it up, because it certainly isn't true. Plenty of studies are showing decent gains for the platform, and huge growth relative to itself. Things are only going up, and you have to start somewhere.
I wonder if people complained about the iPhone not using a blackberry OS or something similar at the time.
CaedenV - Monday, February 25, 2013 - link
I was sure that Nokia was going to at least announce the next gen super phone. Some sort of Lumia 1020 with a quad core, 2GB of ram, and SD card support.Also, weren't we expecting the new EOS lineup with the big full Pureview cameras? Maybe they will have a follow-up announcement?
All that said, I am stoked they are finally making a wireless charging car holder! I love my 920, but GPS can kill the battery faster than anything (except Skype). So while I like the navigation on my phone better than my ancient Garmin, I still use the Garmin simply because I want to be able to use my phone once I get to my destination.
It simply amazes me at just how many devices modern smartphones replace. My Lumia 920 has replaced my personal netbook, my work laptop, watch, old cell phone, home phone, Kindle, MP3 Player, DS, still camera, video camera, GPS, and eventually my wallet (minus my ID and a bit of cash). For me that is replacing 11 devices, each of which have their own chargers and accessories to deal with, and does not include my wife's stuff that has been replaced by her smartphone. Going from a literal sea of portable devices in my house down to essentially 2 PCs and 2 smart phones is quite a liberating experience, and while the phone itself is a bit expensive, it ends up being a whole lot cheaper to have a single do-everything device rather than buying a ton of moderately priced single-purpose devices. The obvious problem being if my one device breaks then I am up a creek, but so far the L920 seems pretty bullet proof, and there will soon be some cheap replacements to get me by between when I would break it and when my contract would renew for the 'next big thing'.
pandemonium - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - link
I was highly anticipating the EOS announcement and didn't get it. I guess they're going to hold us in suspense until later. Oh well, I can wait.Grandpa - Monday, February 25, 2013 - link
I read where the Samsung Galaxy S4 is coming out in March. Now there's news!tunaman - Tuesday, February 26, 2013 - link
Like 3G connection on a feature phone, and more interesting apps.https://url.odesk.com/~44f2nc
fteoath64 - Wednesday, February 27, 2013 - link
The majority of phone buyers do not care about the OS. Only if it is Apple or not. Mostly not as cost has been a big factor and so is availability of handsets in general with reasonable prices to the average buyer. This is where Android and the "rest" being WP and now BB10 becomes a big part of the volume. Since Android mostly comes in black colour or just plain white, the choices of different funky colours goes to WP (I was laughing before) but it actually works in the market in reality. Android buyers are faced with huge choice complexities and price points that make choosing difficult. WP can make this easier and typically (if sales assistant is around) will get the sale.Of course, high-end smartphone buyers are different from the mid-range average buyer. So targetting the market segment has been Nokia's strength for a long time. It is good to see them coming back to this mid-range and low-end market where they played before with huge volumes where the turnaround was fast and those phone hardly last a full 12 months ....
scaramoosh - Wednesday, February 27, 2013 - link
All I want is something for the 808 Pureview :( Like now Nokia have ditched Symbian straight after launching it, surely they can give us a Windows Phone update or something?edward322 - Friday, March 15, 2013 - link
The majority of phone buyers do not care about the OS. Only if it is Apple or not. Mostly not as cost has been a big factor and so is availability of handsets in general with reasonable prices to the average buyer. This is where Android and the "rest" being WP and now BB10 becomes a big part of the volume. http://itechbook.netchristopherN - Tuesday, May 28, 2013 - link
Nokia please leave windows 8 and get join to android,It is awesome.