I look forward to when you guys get your hands on this for another analysis of SoC power consumption. It doesn't seem like AMD has the architecture or the fabrication advantage of ARM or Intel to get so low power consumption, but I'd love to be surprised and have them be a good competitor in this space. We all know they won't catch up in desktops and laptops in performance per watt, hopefully in a new market they can.
It looks nice, but I am comcerned about cpu performance. If it is 800.00 compared to 900 to 1000.00, I would have to strongly consider the IVB more powerful tablet. Seems like 700 ish would be a more appropriate price point.
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When I really think about it, I know I should wait maybe a yearish for Haswell to come out and Ubuntu to get usable enough on tablets. Besides, my 'old' laptop isn't _that_ old, and works fine.
When I don't really think about it, I want one of these. :)
I'm definitely looking forward to this tablet. However, I hope you're wrong on the price point. Considering there are Atom-powered Win8 tablets in the $500-600 range, and AMD's chipset should be significantly cheaper than Intel's, I was more expecting this to be in that range, *maybe* ~$700. Granted the 1080p panel instead of 1366x768 is going to drive the price up a bit, but I still don't see this being competitive at a price approaching that of Ivy Bridge tablets.
If they bring this in at $600 or cheaper, it's pretty much an instant buy for me. $600-700 I'll definitely consider it. Any more than that, I don't really think I can justify it over getting a touchscreen laptop... like Vizio's refreshed 14" Thin+Light.
I'm glad to see AMD has a horse in this race, their low-end chips are much better than the Atom. This might change when Intel updates Atom to support Out-of-Order execution, but for now AMD rules the x86 low-end.
Way way way waaaaaaay too expensive. Wow. Two years ago you could buy a C-50 tablet with 32GB SSD for $500. Hell it was on sale for $450 several times. 64GB of SSD costs less than 32GB costed back then. The same 2GB of RAM costs less. The battery costs less. The panel probably costs $50 more. The SoC probably $20 more. So where in blazes do you get off even speculating $700? Where do these outrageous numbers keep coming from? The bill of materials on this thing cant possibly be over $400.
I believe AMD's TDP figures are for a system including everything except for storage and screen, such as radios. As such, they're not directly comparable and a 4.5W TDP isn't as bad as it sounds.
Looking up how AMD calculates TDP for this isn't getting me anywhere, maybe my memory's wrong - only relevant links I found were
Also, Z-60 systems do not stay connected to wifi in standby mode. This is a big difference from iPad and Android, which you can rely on to notify you of emails, IMs and the like...
"Also, Z-60 systems do not stay connected to wifi in standby mode. This is a big difference from iPad and Android, which you can rely on to notify you of emails, IMs and the like..."
That's true, but as far as I'm concerned, a non-issue. I have a smartphone to keep me appraised of things like that. A tablet for me doesn't need to replicate the connected-standby function of the computer I have in my pocket all the time anyway.
Not a problem for your use case (or, I suspect, most use cases) but I know some strange people...
A surprising number of my non-techie friends don't have smartphones, and rely on a tablet as their main computer at home. Several of these have data plans for their tablets.
On my last smartphone, battery life was at a premium so I left background data off - relying on my tablet for notifications. I'd argue this is one of the few advantages of a tablet over a laptop for power users :-) But... yeah, most people use their smartphones for this. I'm really not sure how big an issue this is.
if your needs are really simple, like email and web browsing, then an iPad can easily replace your PC. For many people this is all they do with their PC so I've seen it quite often. They get a keyboard dock for that ipad and are perfectly happy on it. That's why these tablets are taking off because that use case represents a very large percentage of PC users.
You're still stuck with a teeeeeeny tiny screen, limited web browser and multitasking, etc. Like I basically gave up using iOS to do something as simple as look at my email for forum responses and reply...it's just orders of magnitude more difficult than doing it on a real PC.
Looking up an entry on IMDB or something? Slower, but not too bad...but much more complicated and it's just a terrible solution.
The iPad 4's GPU does 71.6 GFLOPS while the HD 4000 does ~200 GFLOPS. While GFLOPS aren't everything, they do give you some idea of the performance delta between the best current mobile GPU and a relatively poor performing desktop part.
And to put that into context against high-end desktop GPUs, they are up in the 3,000-3,500 GFLOPS range, with the next generation coming soon expected to be up around 5,000 GFLOPS.
I think some people start thinking, "My tablet has a 2GHz quad-core processor. Desktops only have 3ish GHz quad-core processors, so that means tablets will be as powerful as desktop PCs soon."
Nice to see an improved alternative to the Fujitsu Q572. The Vizio has better resolution and not so ridiculously large bezel size, but unfortunately it seems like it lacks an active digitizer.
I'd readily pay $150-200 more for a version with Wacom.
Will there be a keyboard dock for this? Seems like a must-have nowadays...
I've been researching Windows 8 laptops and x86 tablet for the past week. Just out of curiosity mostly, as I am happily using my desktop old i3-330UM 11.6" laptop and 10.1" Android tablet still. I have no real need for any upgrades. But the Asus 13.3" AMD A6-4555M 1080p laptop for 800€ (Vivobook U38N) is pretty enticing as is the UX32 with a GT620M (better performance but at 1050€ much too expensive compared to the AMD offering for me). Now this tablet is just as interesting with the internals. Though price needs to be 700€ or below in my opinion. But I don't need any of those right now and considering that much better tech is just around the corner, I'm hoping for more powerful products at better prices in the fall of this year or early next year. :)
its smoother in usage, cpu powerfull enough, gpu much better and according the specs low power usage.
yet all oem provide the atoms and none to find with AMD.... consumer is yet again loosing. Just like with the netbooks, Brazos is a way better platform, but almost all devices are atom based in sales...
I have a tiny notebook based on AMD's C50 that I bought last year. C50 appears to be the exact same hardware-dual core Bobcat (basically a stripped down Athlon 64) @ 1Ghz + 80 VLW5 slowish clocked GPU cores, only the C50 could draw 9 watts versus this thing's 4.5.
I remember thinking last year what a great chip that would be for a tablet, and...here it is.
It's sluggish, but not unusable, and of course "sluggish" is relative, as it's running a real full OS with real multitasking, yet still outperforms my iPad 2 with it's dual core A9s on a limited OS without much real multitasking.
The more I think about this, the less interested I am in Atom tablets. I know for a fact z60 can play back video fairly well (and even accelerate Flash)...25% more single threaded performance and a bajillion times better GPU (not to mention better driver support)...I'm really wishing Dell and HP had used z60 for their tablets too.
Tablets are very good for reading, so good GPU that allows smooth scrolling is actually very good compromise for tablet CPUGPU. I am not so interested in Hasvel tablets, bacause they most propably are way too expensive, but this and the next generation Atoms can be something that can compete with ARM based tablets. Hasvel based will be in their own league and more like very portable laptops, with removeable keyboards. Very good and fast items, but 1000$+ price will keep them in very different category than these portable electronics books! (allmost like softcover vs hardcover novel :-)
Hi I have been reading your reviews for over 10 years and they are always great. I noticed that you are planning to review another tablet and I had some thoughts.
I am typing this comment on a Gigabyte S1080 tablet that I installed windows 8 on. It has a Windows cpu experience rating of 3.4. the new z2760 also gets 3.4. In another test someone did and posted the test results online, along with what Intel released, I saw that the N2800 cpu was supposed to be faster than the N570 that I have.
How come my cpu which is two releases old has the same rating as the new z2760, when the previous generation was supposed to be faster than mine and the Z2760 is supposed to be so fantastic.
Reviews of tablets tend to get treated like cellular phone revise. Talk about the hardware and run some IE test. For your next tablet review I'd appreciate it very much and I know a lot of other people would as well, sine tablets are on the rise and as we use them for business we need to know the truth about their performance in business and not how well they run sunspider.
I'd like to see a full suite of laptop type tests run on tablets (preferably) running the Z2760, the N570, the N2800, the Amd Z60, and I3 or I5.
Gigabyte has 4 tablets running all of the above, you may be able to get a Samsung s7 which has an I5, then there are the Acer, Asus and Samsung which you already know about. Compare them to laptops, because that is the business decision a lot of FCs are looking at.
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tipoo - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link
I look forward to when you guys get your hands on this for another analysis of SoC power consumption. It doesn't seem like AMD has the architecture or the fabrication advantage of ARM or Intel to get so low power consumption, but I'd love to be surprised and have them be a good competitor in this space. We all know they won't catch up in desktops and laptops in performance per watt, hopefully in a new market they can.frozentundra123456 - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link
It looks nice, but I am comcerned about cpu performance. If it is 800.00 compared to 900 to 1000.00, I would have to strongly consider the IVB more powerful tablet. Seems like 700 ish would be a more appropriate price point.NichrolasHoult - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
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twotwotwo - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link
When I really think about it, I know I should wait maybe a yearish for Haswell to come out and Ubuntu to get usable enough on tablets. Besides, my 'old' laptop isn't _that_ old, and works fine.When I don't really think about it, I want one of these. :)
kyuu - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link
I'm definitely looking forward to this tablet. However, I hope you're wrong on the price point. Considering there are Atom-powered Win8 tablets in the $500-600 range, and AMD's chipset should be significantly cheaper than Intel's, I was more expecting this to be in that range, *maybe* ~$700. Granted the 1080p panel instead of 1366x768 is going to drive the price up a bit, but I still don't see this being competitive at a price approaching that of Ivy Bridge tablets.If they bring this in at $600 or cheaper, it's pretty much an instant buy for me. $600-700 I'll definitely consider it. Any more than that, I don't really think I can justify it over getting a touchscreen laptop... like Vizio's refreshed 14" Thin+Light.
LordConrad - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link
I'm glad to see AMD has a horse in this race, their low-end chips are much better than the Atom. This might change when Intel updates Atom to support Out-of-Order execution, but for now AMD rules the x86 low-end.Shadowmaster625 - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link
Way way way waaaaaaay too expensive. Wow. Two years ago you could buy a C-50 tablet with 32GB SSD for $500. Hell it was on sale for $450 several times. 64GB of SSD costs less than 32GB costed back then. The same 2GB of RAM costs less. The battery costs less. The panel probably costs $50 more. The SoC probably $20 more. So where in blazes do you get off even speculating $700? Where do these outrageous numbers keep coming from? The bill of materials on this thing cant possibly be over $400.Beenthere - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link
It's all good. Nice to see smarter PC makers not being bamboozeled by InHell hype and strong-arm tactics.themossie - Tuesday, January 15, 2013 - link
I believe AMD's TDP figures are for a system including everything except for storage and screen, such as radios. As such, they're not directly comparable and a 4.5W TDP isn't as bad as it sounds.Looking up how AMD calculates TDP for this isn't getting me anywhere, maybe my memory's wrong - only relevant links I found were
http://hothardware.com/News/AMDs-Hondo-Will-Challe... (see Competitive Positioning)
and
http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/new-amd... (see bottom, reference 2)
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Also, Z-60 systems do not stay connected to wifi in standby mode. This is a big difference from iPad and Android, which you can rely on to notify you of emails, IMs and the like...
kyuu - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
"Also, Z-60 systems do not stay connected to wifi in standby mode. This is a big difference from iPad and Android, which you can rely on to notify you of emails, IMs and the like..."That's true, but as far as I'm concerned, a non-issue. I have a smartphone to keep me appraised of things like that. A tablet for me doesn't need to replicate the connected-standby function of the computer I have in my pocket all the time anyway.
themossie - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
Not a problem for your use case (or, I suspect, most use cases) but I know some strange people...A surprising number of my non-techie friends don't have smartphones, and rely on a tablet as their main computer at home. Several of these have data plans for their tablets.
On my last smartphone, battery life was at a premium so I left background data off - relying on my tablet for notifications. I'd argue this is one of the few advantages of a tablet over a laptop for power users :-) But... yeah, most people use their smartphones for this. I'm really not sure how big an issue this is.
Wolfpup - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
A Windows 8 tablet wouldn't be ideal, but could work for that, but I can't imagine trying to use an iPad to replace a real PC :-OHubb1e - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
if your needs are really simple, like email and web browsing, then an iPad can easily replace your PC. For many people this is all they do with their PC so I've seen it quite often. They get a keyboard dock for that ipad and are perfectly happy on it. That's why these tablets are taking off because that use case represents a very large percentage of PC users.Wolfpup - Friday, January 18, 2013 - link
You're still stuck with a teeeeeeny tiny screen, limited web browser and multitasking, etc. Like I basically gave up using iOS to do something as simple as look at my email for forum responses and reply...it's just orders of magnitude more difficult than doing it on a real PC.Looking up an entry on IMDB or something? Slower, but not too bad...but much more complicated and it's just a terrible solution.
Wolfpup - Friday, January 18, 2013 - link
EDIT: Not to mention it's a terrible choice for any document files. No user accessible file system, terrible programs available, etc.nanfad - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
How does the GPU stack up against the iPads?What about the iPads GPU vs Intel's HD 4000?
aicom64 - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
The iPad 4's GPU does 71.6 GFLOPS while the HD 4000 does ~200 GFLOPS. While GFLOPS aren't everything, they do give you some idea of the performance delta between the best current mobile GPU and a relatively poor performing desktop part.twtech - Friday, January 18, 2013 - link
And to put that into context against high-end desktop GPUs, they are up in the 3,000-3,500 GFLOPS range, with the next generation coming soon expected to be up around 5,000 GFLOPS.I think some people start thinking, "My tablet has a 2GHz quad-core processor. Desktops only have 3ish GHz quad-core processors, so that means tablets will be as powerful as desktop PCs soon."
tipoo - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
Still far behind the HD4000. The SGX cores are actually used in Intels older GMA graphics for Atom.Visual - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
Nice to see an improved alternative to the Fujitsu Q572. The Vizio has better resolution and not so ridiculously large bezel size, but unfortunately it seems like it lacks an active digitizer.I'd readily pay $150-200 more for a version with Wacom.
Will there be a keyboard dock for this? Seems like a must-have nowadays...
Death666Angel - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
I've been researching Windows 8 laptops and x86 tablet for the past week. Just out of curiosity mostly, as I am happily using my desktop old i3-330UM 11.6" laptop and 10.1" Android tablet still. I have no real need for any upgrades.But the Asus 13.3" AMD A6-4555M 1080p laptop for 800€ (Vivobook U38N) is pretty enticing as is the UX32 with a GT620M (better performance but at 1050€ much too expensive compared to the AMD offering for me). Now this tablet is just as interesting with the internals. Though price needs to be 700€ or below in my opinion.
But I don't need any of those right now and considering that much better tech is just around the corner, I'm hoping for more powerful products at better prices in the fall of this year or early next year. :)
duploxxx - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
according your feedback.its smoother in usage, cpu powerfull enough, gpu much better and according the specs low power usage.
yet all oem provide the atoms and none to find with AMD.... consumer is yet again loosing. Just like with the netbooks, Brazos is a way better platform, but almost all devices are atom based in sales...
MrSpadge - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
Too bad the CPU can't turbo up a bit if only one core is used. "Race to idle" and better responsiveness FTW!jamawass - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
Isn't this a standard feature of windows 8 regardless of hardware? Shouldn't this tablet be able to download email etc while in standby mode?kyuu - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
I'm pretty sure it has to be supported by the hardware.amdwilliam1985 - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
I believe the feature you're talking about is Smart Standby. Forget whether it's a windows 8 feature or a intel SoC feature.B3an - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
It's a Win 8 feature. The hardware has to support it.Wolfpup - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
I have a tiny notebook based on AMD's C50 that I bought last year. C50 appears to be the exact same hardware-dual core Bobcat (basically a stripped down Athlon 64) @ 1Ghz + 80 VLW5 slowish clocked GPU cores, only the C50 could draw 9 watts versus this thing's 4.5.I remember thinking last year what a great chip that would be for a tablet, and...here it is.
It's sluggish, but not unusable, and of course "sluggish" is relative, as it's running a real full OS with real multitasking, yet still outperforms my iPad 2 with it's dual core A9s on a limited OS without much real multitasking.
Wolfpup - Tuesday, February 12, 2013 - link
The more I think about this, the less interested I am in Atom tablets. I know for a fact z60 can play back video fairly well (and even accelerate Flash)...25% more single threaded performance and a bajillion times better GPU (not to mention better driver support)...I'm really wishing Dell and HP had used z60 for their tablets too.haukionkannel - Wednesday, January 16, 2013 - link
Tablets are very good for reading, so good GPU that allows smooth scrolling is actually very good compromise for tablet CPUGPU. I am not so interested in Hasvel tablets, bacause they most propably are way too expensive, but this and the next generation Atoms can be something that can compete with ARM based tablets. Hasvel based will be in their own league and more like very portable laptops, with removeable keyboards. Very good and fast items, but 1000$+ price will keep them in very different category than these portable electronics books! (allmost like softcover vs hardcover novel :-)zaddie63 - Friday, January 18, 2013 - link
Hi I have been reading your reviews for over 10 years and they are always great. I noticed that you are planning to review another tablet and I had some thoughts.I am typing this comment on a Gigabyte S1080 tablet that I installed windows 8 on.
It has a Windows cpu experience rating of 3.4. the new z2760 also gets 3.4. In another test someone did and posted the test results online, along with what Intel released, I saw that the N2800 cpu was supposed to be faster than the N570 that I have.
How come my cpu which is two releases old has the same rating as the new z2760, when the previous generation was supposed to be faster than mine and the Z2760 is supposed to be so fantastic.
Reviews of tablets tend to get treated like cellular phone revise. Talk about the hardware and run some IE test. For your next tablet review I'd appreciate it very much and I know a lot of other people would as well, sine tablets are on the rise and as we use them for business we need to know the truth about their performance in business and not how well they run sunspider.
I'd like to see a full suite of laptop type tests run on tablets (preferably) running the Z2760, the N570, the N2800, the Amd Z60, and I3 or I5.
Gigabyte has 4 tablets running all of the above, you may be able to get a Samsung s7 which has an I5, then there are the Acer, Asus and Samsung which you already know about. Compare them to laptops, because that is the business decision a lot of FCs are looking at.
I know it will make great reading.
tabletpc99 - Wednesday, June 5, 2013 - link
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