Is that new pricing for the GT640? Most of the GT640s go for more then $99. Usuaully the prices shown are MSRP but the carsd can be had cheaper, rebate/sales/coupons/etc....
Maybe they will drop and the GT650 can be had for around $100 or less after rebate?
Waaaay Overpriced when compared to the old Radeon 5770's which you can buy for next to nothing these days and then overclock them, Amazing how much the mid range and low-end have stood still in terms of performance for the last couple of generations.
I've always used the median price of the 6 cheapest cards, which right now on Newegg puts the GT 640 at $99. There are some above that, but there are also some below that.
Toms appear to have tested the 650 and it's about the same level as the 7750, but a good 20% or so behind the 7770. Still, different test environments and different test suites yield different test results. You can definitely say a couple of things though - the 650 is going to be quiet and frugal, and a big step up from the 450.
How would the 650 compare to the 560 SE. Both of them fall in my price range. Does 192 bit help the 560? The 650 is clocked higher at 1124mhz vs 776mhz 560. It also has more cores at 384 vs 288. There are some AMD 7770 in my price range, I could go with that too. So out these 3 which one would be the best? My MAX price is 130. Plan on buying it this weekend.
Get the GTX650. Also, wait a bit before the prices settle. A week or two should do.
If any two Nvidia/AMD cards are around the same performance and price levels, it's always better to get the Nvidia card. That's mainly because of traditionally better drivers, better game support and overall customer support on Nvidia's side. AMD still needs to work on that. If that doesn't matter anything to you, then I'd go for any of the cards.
the 650 is 20% slower than the 7770... actually its even a tad slower than the 7750. Although depending on the game choice this might fluctuate. There is absolutely no reason to buy a 650 for the price they are set above.
Yeah when I first saw the guy above you's post I was trying to post from my phone desperately "DON'T LISTEN DDD:"
Thanks for making me feel better that not all hope was lost.
NVidia dropped the ball on midrange, here. The 650 seems about in line with the 5770 I got nearly two years ago, which is absolutely ridiculous, given that I got it for a nearly-comparable price. Two years ago.
I would go with a 7750 or 7770 if you think you might XF (CF?) later. It seems like most 7750s can OC the difference to a 7770 anyways, if you find you need the performance.
I am very late, but HD7770 is the best choice. The shaders on the gtx560se run at twice the speed of the rest of the chip, but a hd7770 is faster now than at launch thanks to new drivers and overclocks like crazy. The gtx650 has lots of OCing headroom too, but it performs worse than hd7750 at stock speeds( the gtx 650 needs that pcie 6pin to stretch its legs). The performance of stock HD7770 at launch and a stock gtx560se would be about the same(again, HD7770 is faster now than then and has a lot more overclocking headroom). Oh, yeah. Of course gtx560se is faster than gtx650(when they are at stock speeds), but HD7770 is faster than both(at stock, much faster when overclocked).
Don't bother with crossfire, though(support is not universal and you risk experiencing micro stuttering). Just get the HD7770 and overclock the snot out of it. Physx is very niche, and you can pretty much make a radeon do anything else a geforce can do.
In my opinion, it seems like performance for a ~$100 card really has not increased all that much since a few years ago. Power consumption and noise has seen tremendous progress, dont get me wrong, but pure progress has been slow. I bought a gts250 in I believe March of 2010, possibly earlier, for 90 bucks. I'd love to upgrade, for a max of around 130 bucks, but based off of testing for the 7770/50 and the gtx650 (only seen tomshardware's review so far on the 650), I am left out in the cold with no real "upgrade" option. Only sidegrades to less power/noise. Really hope a generation soon will change this.
Welcome to the future. I think a lot of companies are realizing that they have reached the satisfy-able 'minimum' for customers at the low end. Proceeding generations will see smaller size, smaller heat sinks and fanless systems, less overall power usage, and the inclusion of newer standards and formats as they come out, but raw performance may not see much increase on the low end until new consoles come out. And even then we will see a boost in the minimum for a few years, and then it will level off. Meanwhile, the high end of things will continue to see growth with minimal price increases, which means that you will get and ever increasing !/$ on mid-range cards.
The only thing that will really push the low end cards out of this quagmire will be whenever (if ever) onboard GPUs catch up to these performance levels.
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Marlin1975 - Thursday, September 13, 2012 - link
Is that new pricing for the GT640? Most of the GT640s go for more then $99. Usuaully the prices shown are MSRP but the carsd can be had cheaper, rebate/sales/coupons/etc....Maybe they will drop and the GT650 can be had for around $100 or less after rebate?
Marlin1975 - Thursday, September 13, 2012 - link
Actually looks like Newegg has the GT650's for $120-160 range. Over priced compared to the 7770 IMOStevoLincolnite - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link
Waaaay Overpriced when compared to the old Radeon 5770's which you can buy for next to nothing these days and then overclock them, Amazing how much the mid range and low-end have stood still in terms of performance for the last couple of generations.Ryan Smith - Thursday, September 13, 2012 - link
I've always used the median price of the 6 cheapest cards, which right now on Newegg puts the GT 640 at $99. There are some above that, but there are also some below that.nitrousoxide - Thursday, September 13, 2012 - link
I miss the days when that title only belongs to the big boss.Arbie - Monday, September 17, 2012 - link
I had an electric blue 440 with a six-pack. Now it's who has the most powerful graphics board. That's OK.
silverblue - Thursday, September 13, 2012 - link
Toms appear to have tested the 650 and it's about the same level as the 7750, but a good 20% or so behind the 7770. Still, different test environments and different test suites yield different test results. You can definitely say a couple of things though - the 650 is going to be quiet and frugal, and a big step up from the 450.piggys - Thursday, September 13, 2012 - link
How would the 650 compare to the 560 SE. Both of them fall in my price range. Does 192 bit help the 560? The 650 is clocked higher at 1124mhz vs 776mhz 560. It also has more cores at 384 vs 288. There are some AMD 7770 in my price range, I could go with that too. So out these 3 which one would be the best? My MAX price is 130. Plan on buying it this weekend.Meaker10 - Thursday, September 13, 2012 - link
Get the 7770.prdola0 - Friday, September 14, 2012 - link
Get the GTX650. Also, wait a bit before the prices settle. A week or two should do.If any two Nvidia/AMD cards are around the same performance and price levels, it's always better to get the Nvidia card. That's mainly because of traditionally better drivers, better game support and overall customer support on Nvidia's side. AMD still needs to work on that. If that doesn't matter anything to you, then I'd go for any of the cards.
flyck - Friday, September 14, 2012 - link
the 650 is 20% slower than the 7770... actually its even a tad slower than the 7750. Although depending on the game choice this might fluctuate. There is absolutely no reason to buy a 650 for the price they are set above.lmcd - Saturday, September 15, 2012 - link
Yeah when I first saw the guy above you's post I was trying to post from my phone desperately "DON'T LISTEN DDD:"Thanks for making me feel better that not all hope was lost.
NVidia dropped the ball on midrange, here. The 650 seems about in line with the 5770 I got nearly two years ago, which is absolutely ridiculous, given that I got it for a nearly-comparable price. Two years ago.
I would go with a 7750 or 7770 if you think you might XF (CF?) later. It seems like most 7750s can OC the difference to a 7770 anyways, if you find you need the performance.
jtenorj - Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - link
I am very late, but HD7770 is the best choice. The shaders on the gtx560se run attwice the speed of the rest of the chip, but a hd7770 is faster now than at launch
thanks to new drivers and overclocks like crazy. The gtx650 has lots of OCing
headroom too, but it performs worse than hd7750 at stock speeds( the gtx 650 needs
that pcie 6pin to stretch its legs). The performance of stock HD7770 at launch and a
stock gtx560se would be about the same(again, HD7770 is faster now than then and
has a lot more overclocking headroom). Oh, yeah. Of course gtx560se is faster than
gtx650(when they are at stock speeds), but HD7770 is faster than both(at stock, much
faster when overclocked).
Don't bother with crossfire, though(support is not universal and you risk experiencing
micro stuttering). Just get the HD7770 and overclock the snot out of it. Physx is very
niche, and you can pretty much make a radeon do anything else a geforce can do.
KineticHummus - Friday, September 14, 2012 - link
In my opinion, it seems like performance for a ~$100 card really has not increased all that much since a few years ago. Power consumption and noise has seen tremendous progress, dont get me wrong, but pure progress has been slow. I bought a gts250 in I believe March of 2010, possibly earlier, for 90 bucks. I'd love to upgrade, for a max of around 130 bucks, but based off of testing for the 7770/50 and the gtx650 (only seen tomshardware's review so far on the 650), I am left out in the cold with no real "upgrade" option. Only sidegrades to less power/noise. Really hope a generation soon will change this.CaedenV - Friday, September 14, 2012 - link
Welcome to the future.I think a lot of companies are realizing that they have reached the satisfy-able 'minimum' for customers at the low end. Proceeding generations will see smaller size, smaller heat sinks and fanless systems, less overall power usage, and the inclusion of newer standards and formats as they come out, but raw performance may not see much increase on the low end until new consoles come out. And even then we will see a boost in the minimum for a few years, and then it will level off.
Meanwhile, the high end of things will continue to see growth with minimal price increases, which means that you will get and ever increasing !/$ on mid-range cards.
The only thing that will really push the low end cards out of this quagmire will be whenever (if ever) onboard GPUs catch up to these performance levels.
lmcd - Saturday, September 15, 2012 - link
5770 actually seems to match this card entirely, including the price I got it at nearly two years ago.MySchizoBuddy - Saturday, September 15, 2012 - link
For CUDA is it better to buy two of 650s instead of one 660? would love to see benchmarks with dual 650srscoot - Saturday, September 15, 2012 - link
I can't see why they would be, you'd still be down 192 SPs compared to a 660.Lerianis - Sunday, September 16, 2012 - link
I'm assuming that is meant to keep competitors from easily dissecting leaks of design information.jtenorj - Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - link
The 100 and 300 series were oem parts based on g9x silicon.tviceman - Wednesday, September 26, 2012 - link
It's been two weeks now, no review here yet of this card. Is one incoming?