Elsewhere I've heard that it's MLC, so two level. Not sure if capacities are raw capacities or what. Sometimes SSD cache drives are marketed by their usable capacity (sold as a "30GB" cache drive when it has 60GB of raw capacity).
Anyway, I'm curious about something. It says that both reads and writes are cached. But I've read elsewhere that the data is all redundant, anything in the flash is also on the platter(s). Well, it's not fully redundant if you have to wait for the disk to catch up. I guess the risk isn't really significant if the software/driver running the whole show is intelligent enough.
Yeah, it's a bit dodgy. Also, do we really need that extra 2mm and sacrifice standard interfacing? The 7mm 1TB sounds more interesting, and should have a standard interface. 7mm 1TB with a 30GB very fast cache and a SATA3 interface at a price point close to 1TB laptop drives anyway - that sounds like a marketable product.
They just need to do it right. None of this random cache size nonsense, and the cache has to be meaningfully fast.
Yeah, I want normal sized drives. Seagate's Momentus XT is really awesome, and I trust Seagate's drives more, but still I've very excited to see how a normal sized WD performs, and whether the larger cache helps.
I'm REALLY impressed by how the 4GB cache helps on the first Momentus XT...WAY more than you'd probably think, thanks to a smart controller (my XT and SSDs feel more alike than my XT and a normal drive). The new 8GB version would of course be better still. Also Seagate uses SLC, which makes sense for something being rewritten constantly, but still, I'm excited to see this!
Wonder why makers doesn't make a 2n1 drive that is have separated SSD and HDD but in the same package, the SSD should be 120-256GB for the OS, and the HDD should be 500-1TB for the data... it could have two separate SATA connectors one one connector with built-in SATA splitter... While Hybrid drives are very nice and has much faster performance compared to normal HDD, they can't compete against the performance of separated SSD + HDD... or at least make the hybrid with more 500MB/s R+W NAND, 120GB minimum...
Since this is apparently a standardized connector (although admittedly rare), why in the world other than sheer greed or stupidity would Asus and Apple implement their own proprietary connector? Why make a whole new, non-standard connector instead of just using a standardized one?
By using the rare but standardized connector, it makes it, well, less rare - to the point where maybe someone else will adopt it. Maybe the aftermarket would produce replacement drives in event of a failure or perhaps an upgrade?
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MonkeyPaw - Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - link
Do they feel pretty solid? I'm curious how shock resistant they will be.Souka - Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - link
I'm guessing typical40G operating
300G non-operating
I also suspect the transfer and seek will be horrible (except for cached data on the SSD part).
1008anan - Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - link
At what etch lithography are the Nand fabricated?Could you describe what combination of Nand (one level cell, two level cell etc.) and traditional HD are in this hybrid?
Spunjji - Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - link
Information elsewhere suggests it's MLC.Alexvrb - Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - link
Elsewhere I've heard that it's MLC, so two level. Not sure if capacities are raw capacities or what. Sometimes SSD cache drives are marketed by their usable capacity (sold as a "30GB" cache drive when it has 60GB of raw capacity).Anyway, I'm curious about something. It says that both reads and writes are cached. But I've read elsewhere that the data is all redundant, anything in the flash is also on the platter(s). Well, it's not fully redundant if you have to wait for the disk to catch up. I guess the risk isn't really significant if the software/driver running the whole show is intelligent enough.
Spunjji - Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - link
Not sure how I feel about this variable cache size on the drive... doesn't sound so good to me.piroroadkill - Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - link
Yeah, it's a bit dodgy.Also, do we really need that extra 2mm and sacrifice standard interfacing?
The 7mm 1TB sounds more interesting, and should have a standard interface.
7mm 1TB with a 30GB very fast cache and a SATA3 interface at a price point close to 1TB laptop drives anyway - that sounds like a marketable product.
They just need to do it right. None of this random cache size nonsense, and the cache has to be meaningfully fast.
Wolfpup - Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - link
Yeah, I want normal sized drives. Seagate's Momentus XT is really awesome, and I trust Seagate's drives more, but still I've very excited to see how a normal sized WD performs, and whether the larger cache helps.I'm REALLY impressed by how the 4GB cache helps on the first Momentus XT...WAY more than you'd probably think, thanks to a smart controller (my XT and SSDs feel more alike than my XT and a normal drive). The new 8GB version would of course be better still. Also Seagate uses SLC, which makes sense for something being rewritten constantly, but still, I'm excited to see this!
Xajel - Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - link
Wonder why makers doesn't make a 2n1 drive that is have separated SSD and HDD but in the same package, the SSD should be 120-256GB for the OS, and the HDD should be 500-1TB for the data... it could have two separate SATA connectors one one connector with built-in SATA splitter... While Hybrid drives are very nice and has much faster performance compared to normal HDD, they can't compete against the performance of separated SSD + HDD... or at least make the hybrid with more 500MB/s R+W NAND, 120GB minimum...amikey - Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - link
I actually think this is a good idea, and if it were on one connector would negate the need for us to have two separate storage devices.Mass market appeal though? Probably not.
dg27 - Thursday, January 24, 2013 - link
This what I have been hoping for as well. If they can make it they'll sell at least three of them!Golgatha - Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - link
http://www.amazon.com/SILVERSTONE-SDP08-3-5-2-5-In...Add a SSD and a laptop hard drive.
extide - Tuesday, November 26, 2013 - link
LOL, and your wish has come true! http://www.anandtech.com/show/7540Meaker10 - Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - link
This is already obsolete compared to a mSATA + 2.5" standard drive combo.wicketr - Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - link
Haha. How do you plan on getting that 2.5" standard drive into an ultrabook or tablet?bill.rookard - Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - link
Since this is apparently a standardized connector (although admittedly rare), why in the world other than sheer greed or stupidity would Asus and Apple implement their own proprietary connector? Why make a whole new, non-standard connector instead of just using a standardized one?By using the rare but standardized connector, it makes it, well, less rare - to the point where maybe someone else will adopt it. Maybe the aftermarket would produce replacement drives in event of a failure or perhaps an upgrade?
piroroadkill - Thursday, September 13, 2012 - link
Well, you already answered it from the POV of Apple: greed and stupidity.