haha. Actually your first point was probably more accurate. I've noticed that articles normally aren't posted on the weekend on Anandtech, or really on many tech sites.
The reason for that is up to deliberation, but I wouldn't because:
1) It's important to take days off, whether that's on the weekend or designated days during the week, you'll get burnt out even working on things you love. The same thing can be said for mid-day breaks - taking that break is called "sharpening your saw" in the workforce 2) If I work on the weekends, I don't want it to be for anything set schedule (e.g. it might be to do some hardware testing that you are interested in, but just didn't have time to get to during the week) and I wouldn't want my readers/customers expecting something, instead it should be more of a pleasant surprise :) 3) Sometimes its nice to see things in stages. While a detailed 25 pg article is nice, it can be overwhelming. Seeing it in phases is less daunting. Additionally, the person in the video didn't seem to want to give too much detail about the configuration, so there may be some NDA.
Probably a longer comment than I should have left, but it is the weekend and what else am I going to do? :)
In the good old days, sharpening the saw was your turn in the rotation while the other two were pulling on the other saw. Gave you a bit of a break and being so labor intensive - it was worth constantly having a sharp saw.
This article came across to me as not just a simple tech news piece but an early preview... and an important one... it shows a really interesting device that shows that MS and intel may very well have a strong platform with windows 8.
I've loaded the windows 8 previews and to this point I was kinda, meh... nothing I need/want... this is the first article that made me go... ahh, I get what they are doing, and I want one.
...although as piroroadkill posted below I'd really prefer hardware with 16:10 aspect ratios and screen size to resolutions that results in a dpi of around 120-130. His list of resolutions/per screen size is spot on IMO (Either that or MS needs to do something to better handle high dpi resolutions when running in desktop mode in windows 8).
I can watch it on my tablet and laptop. Tablet thickness isn't even a huge concern for most people. I'd say an iPad is already too big for one handed operation and so people end up using their tablets on the couch etc. where something like this would excel for web browsing, 1080p youtube, gaming etc.
Tablet weight is a huge concern. Size is also a concern, as you said iPad is too BIG for many people. A 7-8.5 inch screen tablet under half a pound that lasts 8 hours of constant use is the key target. Slimness of a tablet makes it an attractive selling point. People might not have an issue if additional thickness were used for stuff like: fold out kick-stand, covered ports for SDcard, microSD card slots.
Win8 is just trying to make a PC fit within the tablet mold but not doing it the right way. I really like Ubuntu for Android concept which goes the other direction, making a superphone behave like a PC as well as a phone when docked.
Most folks already have their tablet in some sort of protective cover or flip folder, so thickness isn't really much of an issue. Using a nude iPad is just asking for trouble, considering its lack of drop resistance.
Actually, if they go the Apple way and scale icons and UI, so the end result is just a much more smooth picture, I'm ok with it. I love the iPad 3 and iPhone 4 retina resolution screens.
The fuck?! How can anyone complain about a 11.6" 1080p IPS screen. This is great.
And incase you haven't noticed... This isn't Windows XP. The Metro UI scales extremely well with high resolutions. The icons, text or anything else with not be too small. And if you're going to use the desktop then just hook this thing up to a large monitor. It has HDMI AND Thunderbolt!
BTW, 1280x800 cant be used on Win 8 tablets. You need atleast 1366x768 for all the Metro features to work, it's a minimum requirement for Win 8 tablets.
All metro apps will work as long as the screen resolution is 1024x768. Some metro features such as snap will not work unless the screen resolution is 1366x768 or higher. Windows snap will allow you to have two metro apps working side by side except 1 app will be occupy 1/4 the screen (such as on the left) and the other app will occupy 3/4 the screen.
I said "1280x800 cant be used on Win 8 tablets" ... because it cant. It's a minimum requirement from Microsoft for Win 8/RT tablets to have atleast 1366x768. There will be no tablets with a lower resolution.
You sound like the salesperson who came up to me the first time I looked at the new Ipad screen.
Me: "Wow, this is amazing, I've never seen text look this great!"
Salesperson: "Yeah, there's not much difference between this screen and the Ipad 2."
Me: "But, um, no, See, look, I can read the entire webpage here without having to zoom and the text looks crisp and clear."
Salesperson: "Here... " *Proceeds to zoom in on both the new ipad and ipad 2 so the text characters are about half an inch tall.* "See, the text is clear on both of them now..."
Obviously you have never used a windows tablet. Anything less than 1024px in vertical space automatically means you can't fit most websites horizontally once you switch to portrait mode.
There are LCD panels that does 1920 X 1080 in 11.6 inch size. You might not be able to tell the difference with a movie but reading file text and discriminating photo will make a huge difference on such a screen. I say tablets need such high-resolution screen not so for video but other things such as the above examples. One can hardly tell a 720p movie from a 1080p movie off a 42inch TV so on 11 inches, it does not matter for movies. Its already looks pretty darn good.
USB hub, keyboard, mouse, stand, thunderbolt for external storage and that would be a nice potential laptop replacement along with an all-purpose tablet. The elephant in the room though is: Battery life.
A nice IPS display and reasonably powerful processor means that it's gonna suck some power and there's always the tradeoff between portability and longevity. If they can squeeze 7-8 hours of on time (excluding heavy crunching) at a similar price point to the iPad, they (apple) could have some -serious- competition on their hands since I'm pretty sure that even a scaled down IvyBridge should (performance wise) absolutely smoke an A5X.
That's a pretty nice product, though the ASUS Transformer Book is probably a better fit for me because of the keyboard dock. I do wonder if 8 hours really means 8 hours...
The Trinity based convertible prototype was more interesting ,might be the most powerful gaming tablet out there. Pricing will be problematic for both AMD and Intel (more so for IB based tablets) and i highly doubt they'll get good sales for any tablet at 600$ and above. As always you are too optimistic about Intel , price matters more than you think in today's market.
Yes I assume you are wrong, I will not pay $1000, when just an much functionality is coming from my $499 ASUS Transformer Prime, which weights less. For power, just check out videos of shadowgun running in the tegra 3!
They also don't understand that a single-core Ivy Bridge (if such a thing existed) would still run circles around any current ARM architecture. Quad-core or not.
The problem with these hybrid devices is that there's too much bulk to be a good tablet, and too much leanness to be a good laptop. In trying to make compromises it does both functions poorly, and so will probably only appeal to a very small group of people. Especially considering the price.
such a hybrid device is as tablet as slim as a tablet, as notebook as thick as a ultrabook. A pure slate tablet, especially at such a high price appeals only a very small group, you can't replace a Laptop with a slate. You need a keyboard, so a transformer like Hybrid allows people to use the device as tablet and laptop without bulk. The ideal scenario: In the train you have a tablet to surf the web, take notes with the pen, ..., at the cafe you transform it to a notebook with the keyboard dock to write an essay or mails, at home you plug it in the Thunderbolt Docking station, which connects the tablet to your 24" display, USB devices and external GPU and storage and do the intensive workloads.
at home you plug it in the Thunderbolt Docking station, which connects the tablet to your 24" display, USB devices and external GPU and storage and do the intensive workloads.
Make that: At home you plug it in the Thunderbolt *Work* station, which connects to the tablet and lets you access seamlessly its content while using its local resources.
That is the only use case I can see for PCs with Thunderbold (justifying its hight price). Have the desktop PC connect to a laptop/tablet and see it as a storage device where you can access the data/documents. The OS that can make the content from both available on both, as if it would be in the coud, will be a break through.
How many people actually sit around at cafés to write essays, though? Cafés are crowded, noisy and they don't like you sitting around for hours without buying anything. The only ones who ever seem to do that are tech website editors, who do it just to prove a point.
I would say most people spend the majority of their time at work and at home, possibly with a semi-lengthy commute in between.
-At home, I use my desktop computer. It's more powerful and ergonomic than a laptop.
-At work, I use a laptop, but 99% of the time it sits in its dock with 3 monitors and a proper mouse and keyboard. 1% of the time I take it to another part of the office for a meeting or similar.
-When using public transport, a smart phone is fine. With a tablet, it feels like everyone can see what you're doing on the screen, and it's too bulky for the narrow seats and crowded spaces of buses and trains. A smart phone can be held discretely in one hand without annoying your seat neighbor.
-On the rare occasions when I actually go to a café, I don't want to be carrying around a bag with a slate, dock, keyboard etc. Then I might as well take a laptop with me. If I want to check facebook, text someone or quickly check something on the web, a smart phone is fine, and it fits in your jeans pocket.
You don't seem to understand: the cafe was an example. My own usage scenario with such a device would look like (currently owning a smartphone, tablet PC (Win 7), desktop PC, so I have a usage of all three devices)
- Got woke up by the smartphone, use the desktop dock to check mails, news, ...
- In the car use the smartphone to navigate, ... - In the train use the smartphone to surf, chat, talk, ... - In the train use the tablet to draw stuff, annotate documents, read papers, learn stuff
- At the university use the tablet as worksheet display - At the university use the keyboard dock to type reports in LaTeX, write mails in Outlook, use a virtual PC to run Linux and code in C simulations, ... - At the university use the keyboard dock to connect it to a projector to present Latex/Powerpoint presentations, science stuff, ..
- In the car/train home, see above
- At home use the Desktop dock to do more demanding tasks, use a more comfortable mouse/keyboard. Play some games - In front of the TV use the tablet and do some other stuff while watching TV
- In the bed use the tablet to read something, check mails last time
So really, I only need one powerful Smartphone and one powerful Tablet with a keyboard and desktop dock.
This thing is quite epic. If it has atleast 7 hours battery life and they can get the final design a little thinner, then i'll be getting one (unless another company has something even better).
Anand, please cover these new Win 8 devices as much as possible. This is the future.
The "laptop guys" always exaggerate their battery life. ALWAYS.
It's usually half of what they are saying. Have you owned any recent laptop with that kind of a resolution that can last you 8 hours with heavy use?
Because the iPad and Android tablets can actually last you 10 hours or more of HEAVY USE - not idling with the screen on, which is what these manufacturers mean when they say "our laptop/tablet lasts 8 hours".
You must not own an iPad or Android tablet because they absolutely do not last the 10 hrs from heavy use. I watch youtube and surf the internet quite frequently (refreshing websites, etc...). In no way has my iPad 1 or my GF's iPad 2 ever lasted the advertised 10 hours.
Android tablets and iPads are toys anyways. As soon as touch Ultrabooks come out, I'm ditching the iPad.
Bet ya that yes, way. MS has gone to great lengths to make Win 8 more power efficient*, and I expect that 7+ hours is not unreasonable. We're getting that kind of battery life under Win 7 on some ultrabook class machines already. Can't see why Win8 won't be capable of at least the same.
*The recent news about dropping Aero Glass from the release version of Win 8 came about precisely because of the power saving advantages.
Umm they aren't using a 77 W quad core desktop processor. It will likely be a special ULV chip with a TDP even less than the already announced i5-3317U, which itself is only 17 W including HD4000 graphics. It will also use a ULV 7-series chipset and mobile RAM and NAND parts, and of course speed step.
Also, the 7 hours means 7 hours at "normal" work loads, not max work load. That is true for any battery life spec from any manufacturer. Think of it this way, at the same work loads, an ARM or Atom tablet will be maxed out before this IVB tablet is even breathing hard.
For such a high price they have to offer more than just Windows 8 on x86, because, as we all know, the tablet specific app selection will be tiny compared to iOS or Android the first few months (or maybe years) What I miss: Pen input.
Else it looks like a great device. Perfect display, powerful hardware.
The fact, that this tablet requires active cooling speaks against power efficiency and long battery life of the Intel Ivy Bridge processors, sure, they can add a huge battery to compensate this, but this makes the tablet only heavier, and a fan is always noisy and has nothing lost in modern tablets.
Still, nice tech demo. Because this tablet will be available by the end of 2012 soonest, I believe that they can mass produce such a product at the end of the year and don't have to hand select the components any longer.
But the biggest drawbacks: power ineffcient, thus either short battery life and lightweight or long battery life but heavy, and the lack of the must-have Windows tablet PC feature: pen, must get solved, especially if they want that much money.
Quote: "the tablet specific app selection will be tiny compared to iOS or Android the first few months"
Response: So? I hear that "number of apps" thing all the time, but it strikes me as essentially meaningless. What proportion of the available apps are widely downloaded and used on either iOS or Android? There may be many thousands of apps, but only a relative few are popular and in wide use.
you're right, but the same applies to the WP7 app store. Bigger apps need more development time and ressources. Because an app store only has few apps, doesn't mean that those few apps are of high quality. The more apps are available the more likely it gets that more high quality apps are available there, too, because more people develop for it, because more people think they can make money from this particular app store. So if the percentage of good apps remains constant (which I believe by looking at iOS and Android market and the lack of support of apps in the WP7 market which are highly supported on iOS and Android) WP market has only very very few.
People said the .Net Framework would not catch and Java would rule. Now .Net programmers are in greater demand and earn more.
Once Win8 becomes GA, the developers will develop for it and the Windows App Store will explode. If there is one thing Microsoft has always done very well, it is provide the right tools and APIs to get developers working fast. You can develop for App Store now, and many are already doing it. But many are also waiting to develop against the a final RTM version of Win8.
Come 2012 when all new non Apple, laptops and desktops are shipping with Win8, there will be a rapid explosion of Win8 apps. It's history repeating.
In reality I don't see business jumping to buy these over iPads or ICS tablets. The price is way to steep for consumers. heck iPad are even being used by pilots. As a busness, you can write custom software for IOS or ICS just as easy as you can with Windows 8.
I have the Asus transformer Prime, and and just shocked at what it can do speedwise with graphics, 3d games, heck every output stereo 3D games to my TV!
And I thought the $499 price was steep, so Windows 8 at $799 or $999 no thank you!
ICS rocks, and I'll be shocked if a powerhouse tablet's battery can even compare with what the iPad or what mine can do for length of use. Asus is unique in that it's folding removable keyboard shares a battery with the display as well.
... So you actually think businesses will choose a limited OS against a full blown Windows OS that will already run all their current software, run Office, and has for more network and business capabilities?
And another thing... Asus will also have Transformer Win 8 tablets, they've been announced. But they'll have better hardware and a full Windows OS - So once again no contest here, why would anyone want Android.
And of course something as powerful as this wont have battery life as good as an ARM tablet! You always have to choose between speed and battery life. SOME people prefer to sacrifice battery and have faster hardware though! But their will also be ARM powered Win RT tablets and Intel Clover Trail Win 8 tablets if you want the longer battery life. These will compare to Android/iPad tablets in regards to battery life. The point is you have way more choice with Windows, you get whatever suits your needs.
I'll bet Win 8 tablets will have a way higher market share than Android within the first 12 months.
My business (healthcare) definitely requires this. Currently we're still using xp pen based tablet notebooks. I would like pen input though rather than swiping the screen after examining a patient. BTW this device is relatively cheap as our Electronic medical record provider charged us $2000/ laptop for our current devices.
$700 is not much for something that can still run all of your legacy apps while being able to double as a laptop and a tablet. Besides, large enterprises never pay the retail price; they use economies of scale to get a much lower price per unit. If a major investment bank wanted to buy 1,000 units I'm sure Acer would offer a suitable discount in return for some publicity.
I don't know of any IVB processors that are in the same galaxy of power efficiency as the ARM stuff. Seems like they'd need a big battery to make up for it.
I guess I don't get it... IVB for web browsing and e-mail is beyond overkill. So this is going to be a niche product.
At this point I'm beginning to think that Apple is the only tech company that has a clue.
This has a desktop dock and several ports, so it's clearly meant to be a more than just a simple web browsing tablet to compete directly with the iPad in the mass market. The W510 is more of the iPad's direct competitor because of it's estimated price(599), physical size(11-12mm), and processor efficiency (32nm dual core Atom).
Surfing the internet on my comp is way faster than on the iPad. I have a million windows open and they never need to refresh unless I want them to. Can't say the same for the iPad.
Surfing the internet on the comp is SOOOO much better than on a tablet. Now, when touch ultrabooks with IVB come out...that's a whole new ball game.
As a developer, I cannot WAIT to get my hands on the W700. One of my clients will immediately start using this in their office as a patient sign-in and form fill-out instead of paper+pen and will communicate seemlessly with the actual procedures for the patient throughout the office, all on Windowsx86!!
why don't you buy a ASUS Slate or Samsung Slate or Motion Computing Slates? All offer more than this one, they are available now, not only in half a year and they have touchscreens AND pen, so patients really can sign-in. No reason to wait for this tablet with Windows 8 if your client will use custom written software or software like Office, so no reason to wait for those tiny Metro apps.
this is a step in the right direction, and i hope they keep throwing good hardware at windows 8, unlike windows 7 phones. otherwise there's no chance of competing with Apple. the ipad is a great tablet, but it is easy to see how windows 8 could offer so you much more in terms of flexibility. cant wait for the reviews.
So the screen can stay connected to the dock, one would assume? That is basically the purpose of a dock, to connect your mobile device with all the immobile equipment with one quick action instead of connection of dozens of cables.
I don't believe there's anything special in the chip side for Ivy Bridge, its likely just taking advantage of Configurable TDP on Ivy Bridge. We've never seen it in action before, but this is exactly where they would use it.
Actually I can't believe these guys are still in business after all the crap they sell. I've been working 5 years in a service centre and most of RMA reports from laptop cathegory were Acer laptops. Sometimes they would arrive 2 or more from the same range faulty, all in just one day. I don't care what Acer is producing...they might as well give the for free, I will never take it.
How much of a pain would i be to have a 10 to 13 inch tablet which has these following parts
Tablet -10 to 13 inch screen IPS with a 400 brightness or higher -Intel Ivybridge or Haswell ULV -8 GB of ddr3 memory (dual channel) -80 GB SSD in msata format -At least 5 hour battery -Under 2.5 lbs (Asus 12 inch slate is 2.6lbs, Ipad 3 is 1.44 lbs -Thunderbolt
Laptop Dock -This part is not a computer itself but instead a dock for the Tablet, it has the following components -Male Thunderbolt connection to dock with Female Thunderbolt on tablet. Male power connection to share power -Keyboard and Touchpad -Second Hard Drive (Drive D) this hard-drive can be mechanical to save on cost -Laptop GPU at least Geforce 640m/650m with gddr5 or 7850m/7870m (which is effectively a downclocked 7770 that is 32watts of heat.) -Second Battery to add battery life -Enough weight on the dock to not make the screen top heavy, yet light enough to be under 5 lbs when docked with the Tablet
I believe this is very possible now with Thunderbolt? Am I missing something? Is there a reason we haven't heard or seen this yet?
All very possible, but there's little reason to announce products 4 months before release. You don't want to give competitors an early look at your products.
More like quad core Tegra3 tablet with 7inch to 10 inch screens going between $200 and $290. Each one doing 8 to 10 hours in a single charge and weight in under one pound, some of them even less than half-a-pound.
Suddenly, huge tablets like these would ask the question: why don't I stick to top-notch specs laptop for under 3 pounds, rather than compromising so much for this stuff at around the same price point ?!!.
IVB is on a whole different planet when compared to Tegra...probably in another universe when it comes to performance & capabilities. I'm under no illusion that IVB will not last as long as a Tegra 3, but I can also do FAR more on IVB then I will EVER be able to do on any ARM processor today (or the foreseeable future). I'm more than willing to sacrifice some battery stamina for more usage scenarios.
So you be doing a full review closer to windows 8 launch ?
Be nice to see some cad results being run on it.
When are you guys going to review one of the motion computing tablets ? Would love to see a full review of the J3500 and cl900 with both windows 7 and windows 8.
They claim 8 hours life for the cl9000.
Are you guys to review the new HP and fujitsu slates when they are available ?
I don't care how much Acer handbuilt and spent on the sample....Acer is just junk and anyone is a fool to pay top dollar for any Acer POS product. Acer is quickly becoming the eMachines of the 2010's.
I realize it's a full Windows PC, but an SD card slot seems like a missed feature. Being able to insert my camera's memory card into it for instant on-the-go editing would be fantastic...
None of these tablets are anything new. We had this stuff over 10 yrs ago with the Fujitsu, IBM, and Dell hybrid tablets. They never took off because Windows XP Tablet edition sucked.
Windows 8 is clearly better but today there are $100 tablets that can do basically what people want which is to surf, read emails, and watch videos.
We don't need to push beyond $500, the masses would rather stick with ARM tablets under $500.
The problem was the cost not so much xp tablet , the weight 1 - 2kg (up to 4lbs) and poor battery life. They did find a few niches where they are still common.
Xp tablet is better than windows 7 on a tablet.
What percentage of the market are $100 tablets ? The masses appear to prefer arm tablets between $500 and $700.
This is why I love Anandtech, this was the device that caught my attention the most as well and this is the type of device I expect to see thrive in windows 8 land and ahead. Sadly it was overlooked by the media who paid more attention to the albeit horrid plastic stands than the actual functionality of the device.
This is also why I believe Windows 8 will crush iOS down the road and it will do so because Apple will never let iOS grow to cannibalize OSX, iOS will always have light version of Apps, almost capable of doing stuff while Windows 8 tablets will be running full blown versions. I also don't expect Apple to touchfy OSX.
Big gamble Microsoft is doing, all strives on execution from now on, very exited about the possibilities technology is enabling = )
Apple is thinking even farther ahead. They're planning to get rid of OSX and desktops entirely, so it would be a fool's gambit for Microsoft to "capture Apples desktop market" when desktops will be relegated to a small corner of computing anyway. Good plan, go after a shrinking market.
Jobs speech was pure marketspeak. Desktops aren't going anywhere anytime soon. There are far too many practical uses for them that portables simply can't match; and won't in the near future.
I did not see the weight mentioned anywhere? The first iPad felt too heavy. The iPad2 felt just right. I don't see myself using a hybrid laptop as a tablet if it weighs too much and judging by the picture, it doesn't look lite.
A few more iterations of this and ARM will be reduced to holding the bottom line on anything just a little more than a picture frame. All Intel and its partners have to do is to shave off 2 mm off the thickness and ARM based pads will officially be children toys.
Ugly looking tablet that wastes 1.5cm of space along the LONGEST edge for windows button and has suspicious (ventilation? how much does this thing consume and what did they do to ARM???) holes on top, running OS from that ugly Balmer guy, that is "starting somewhere around $799 and going up to $999" is something big?
Seriously? Big ugly pricey piece of ***t that nobody would buy you mean?
PS I hope this article was meant as a hidden advertisement,...
Samsung's Series 7 Slate launched mid-2011, and aside from the screen resolution and thunderbolt, there's not many differences. I didn't see some huge article on here when the Series 7 Slate launched, why start now?
I would have much rather seen an article about all the various Tablets/Slates that were seen. Having used one now for a few months as my main work computer (yes, the Series 7 Slate CAN actually replace a desktop, 2 laptops, and a lab computer), I can really say that I was impressed with the tablet. I won't dare put Windows 8 on it though, I want to keep that crap as far away from any PC I own for as long as I can.
"ust Apple are able to produce compelling products in the market. Apple's Tim Cook understands the supply chain very well. As Intel one of the largest if not the largest consumer of cost in Apple's Mac bill of materials, "
Why is apple ALWAYS mentioned? Why not Asus, Sony or HP? Why not Lenovo or MSI?
I really don't see the importance in how well this performs on Metro. I would think that most perspective buyers would want it for the standard Windows programs they now use. So the important question really is; How well will it do there?
One major reason that Windows tablets (Convertables) did so poorly is because Windows just isn't usable on a tablet. It was difficult on 13 to 15" tablets. How well will it work on a 10" to 11.6" model? Not too well, I would imagine. so what's changed other than these are real tablets now, and so lighter?
After all, if people are goi g to be buying them mainly for Metro, they may as well buy an Rt tablet.
I'd like to see you using an existing windows app with it's fiddly little buttons and ribbons on a really high res full HD screen, and no mouse/keyboard - just your fingers.
If Microsoft can pull this off, I'll be impressed. It is looking good so far, and this is coming from a person that is almost all-Apple. I had written them off in anything but full-blown desktop stuff.
1.for web/audio/video/FB/Twitter: 200/500 bucks Ipad/Android tablets 2.for a bit of production work 800/1000 bucks ultrabook/proper laptop
3.this 800 bucks tablet won't perform like 2. cost 2-3 times more then 1.Has active cooler=after a few months will get noisy and too warm. What is there to like?
Please give the option of an active digitizer, preferably Wacom. I'll pay extra, but it is a must have. I'm not even an artist and am not using it all that much, but it's still a great feature to have in certain situations. After having been spoiled by it on my TM2, I am never buying a tablet without it.
A few programmable buttons and a mini optical trackpad ala MSI 110w or a trackpoint ala thinkpads on the bezel would also be a great addition. Or maybe experiment with a touchpad on the back side that can be used while you are holding it ala PS Vita...
Eye of the Beholder possibly, but I find the Metro interface flat out ugly and I am no more productive with it then I am on any iOS device. I figured that Microsoft would have learned a lesson from the sales failure of the Windows phones, but someone at Microsoft is hell bent on pushing their vision of a GUI that looks better suited for an Apple IIe. A strange irony in that I guess.
This product should not have a fan. If it gets too hot it should just throttle and run slow. There is no reasonable tablet usage scenario where it should dissipate more than 5-7 watts.
With a WIN 7 Tablet, a Iconia W500, I get 4 hours of web browsing with an USB 3g Modem. With an Galaxy Note I get 4 hours of web browsing using EDGE. Not much difference in battery life when using it for same purpose.
No one will want a tablet that is heavy or thick or hot or has short battery life or has active cooling which means noise and dust or is much larger than the iPad.
Who wants to pay more for laptop replacement that is worse than a laptop for serious work or pay more for an ipad replacement that is worse for casual use.
That is the position that it seems like the Win8 tablet finds itself in.
Microsoft just doesn't understand Apple. People buy Apples because they provide a rich user experience and their software support is part of that. Microsoft's software graveyard is littered with abandonware, testware, I never was serious about supporting it ware, and bloatware. Who wants to plunk down a huge chunk of cash on a tablet that will be worthless because Microsoft decided to hop out of the tablet market....again.
Not everybody wants to jailbreak and run linux builds with special loaders on their tablets.
At work we have boxes of godawful PDA's with godawful microsoft CE that never worked right and was of dubious utility when it did. Now its just a box of useless shiny objects that cost $500 a pop.
Forget even $900, $700 is flat out ridiculous and fits in the "I will never suggest that to businesses when discussing rolling out mobile". I don't care if you find a way to put a pair of gtx 690's into a tablet, over $500 is just not appropriate for that form factor when you will never get anything to match the performance you can get out of other devices.
Now that you have phone docks into large monitors there's even less of a point of considering such a tablet.
The device sounds interesting but there's a gigantic lack of information at the moment.
Sorry Anand, but this is you thinking like a techie than a consumer. $800~1000 for a tablet?! I understand you needs for such a device and there are already Win7 tablets selling for $1000. Lets see those sales figures...
MS introduced the tabt-hybrid-computer back in 2001 with Windows XP. Even today, there are 1-2 systems sold that way (ThinkPad X). They sold for $2000~3000... to specific markets. When the iPad came out, many laughed at it... its under-powered, no keyboard, it costs too much for what it does.
Even today, the apple haters balk at the "high price" of iPads... $400~500 is high?
Yes, there is a market for a $1000 tablet... small one. Apple will continue to sell iPads quite well.
If MS wants to make a dent in the tablet market, it has to be a METRO-ONLY device running smoothly on an ARM CPU that costs $300~600 (depending on memory).
Considering that MS has totally screwed up Windows8 for desktop computers, I NO LONGER have faith that MS can pull it off. I thought they would take-over the market with Windows 8.... I love metro on the phone, its great... and I'm sure it'll be great on a tablet. On a desktop, it sucks. It SUCKS.
I hate Vista... I Love Windows 7.... I HATE Window8 metro even more than Vista.
Rip out the Metro crap from Windows8, put back the Start Menu, with perhaps a Metro Launcher that the user can USE if he wants to... then Win8 will be a winner.
There are LOTS of great improvements in Win8... but going to Metro and back to desktop constantly gets OLD really really quick.
I see the future... people will be returning Win8 desktops/notebooks for refunds.
I can't help but think that Win8 would work best as a tablet OS with Metro. I think Microsoft was going for that, though. Certainly seems like there are some major GUI changes to fit smaller touch screens better.
OK, it may be a great device for looking through your pictures - but who carries a computer around for that? I saw nothing regarding data entry except a brief view of a keyboard image that pretty much filled the screen. How do you edit documents, or do anything useful other than surf the net?
I'd be much more interested in a small laptop or netbook.
$800 for a tablet is WAY overpriced, I don't care what OS it runs! People are not going to be purchasing these overpriced TOYS with it's Fisher Price UI!
I purchased a 10.1" Android tablet (Toshiba Thrive) for $260. THAT is what this is going to compete with on one side, and it will be competing with "ultrabooks" on the other side!
This is shaping up to be a COLOSSAL failure, in a scope not seen since IBM introduced the "PS/2"!
Android hasn't exactly set the tablet world on fire. And speaking of toy OSes, Android and iOS fit that definition quite well. I don't own a tablet yet because none of the available options meet my definition of anything beyond overpriced media consumption device.
think notebook quick, not tablet quick! This is why I exactly love Anandtech! If you guys can't give specifics, you are able to convey the reader about the hardware at least in a relative manner! Well done!
It's nicegadget.... and the whole wanna be teaser is unedited uncuted editorial shot by cell phone that actually doesnt reveal or show *nothing* than *win8 powered* digital photoframe
This is the concept to something much bigger, indeed! E-GPU with GTX 680, future quadcore Intel CPU, a faster Thunderbolt 2.0 or something, Dat potential!
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What You See Is What You Get Consumer market is what the Phadblet phase has been. real tablets are now SLATES and should not be called tablets to confuse the generic and amatuer consumer of why would i get a windows 8 FULL OS over a generic OS like IOS or Android when you dont know the difference. it has been this way since any known device other than computers and cell phones came out. why would i get a 8 cylinder car versus this fuel efficient 4 cylinder? same device/concept but difference in power. thats what this new phase is having a V8 with a hybrid engine is now being built into the market that wasnt there years ago. thats what this new Windows 8 conept is going towards. everyone says they are late and yes they should have tried to get this right when they launched the windows 7 phones and tried to get at least an ARM tablet out into the market so people as well as Microsoft could improve on this and have a perfect device by windows 8. buts its now or never at this point.
you do that math people. all old applications will work on windows 8 other than the ARM counterpart which is understandable because they are two seperate architectures. Bluestacks is bridging that gap and so are others.
WYSIWYG will always be there in the consumer eyes when buying devices. price and ease of use over what is under the hood. techies will know what is under the hood but the majority of people will not know and that majority is clearly growing. WYSIWYG Consumers will follow that rule. some will pay more when a popular product is flashed in their eyes more than a cheaper and better device is there.
the IPAD is great and works great but it cant do all that a full blown OSX device can do in terms of productivity thats what this is bridging productivity (hardcore gaming, Avid, Adobe Premiere/photoshop/etc.) meets basic WYSIWYG consumer use (internet, email and some basic to amautar gaming). ARM windows will be for the basic consumer but that would be stupid to have becuase your defeating the purpose of having a full OS on SLATE (whole other topic).
i just hope the naming for these Tablets change to Slates soon or more and more articles will come out saying why Windows Tablet is/isnt better than the Ipad. they are different yes they can be compared but your comparing apples to oranges. never compare a full product to a base product unless the functionality of something is the same. never compare a car battery to a aaa battery. same concept (battery) but dont compare how they work the same way when one is clearly bigger and more efficient than the other.
Wow i need to stop. sorry all if you read all of this. have a splendid one all AnandTechies.
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Death666Angel - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
Why is the article on the front page as a whole instead of just a teaser? Kinda annoying. :Drickon66 - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
Possible answers:1. It is a slow news day and there is nothing else to put there?
2. It is his website and he can do whatever he wants!!
I prefer answer #2
Death666Angel - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
Yeah, it clearly wasn't a mistake that they fixed. Great reply mate....vol7ron - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
haha. Actually your first point was probably more accurate. I've noticed that articles normally aren't posted on the weekend on Anandtech, or really on many tech sites.The reason for that is up to deliberation, but I wouldn't because:
1) It's important to take days off, whether that's on the weekend or designated days during the week, you'll get burnt out even working on things you love. The same thing can be said for mid-day breaks - taking that break is called "sharpening your saw" in the workforce
2) If I work on the weekends, I don't want it to be for anything set schedule (e.g. it might be to do some hardware testing that you are interested in, but just didn't have time to get to during the week) and I wouldn't want my readers/customers expecting something, instead it should be more of a pleasant surprise :)
3) Sometimes its nice to see things in stages. While a detailed 25 pg article is nice, it can be overwhelming. Seeing it in phases is less daunting. Additionally, the person in the video didn't seem to want to give too much detail about the configuration, so there may be some NDA.
Probably a longer comment than I should have left, but it is the weekend and what else am I going to do? :)
skifiddle - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
In the good old days, sharpening the saw was your turn in the rotation while the other two were pulling on the other saw. Gave you a bit of a break and being so labor intensive - it was worth constantly having a sharp saw.vol7ron - Friday, June 15, 2012 - link
I like that. A literal meaning to the sayingapinkel - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
This article came across to me as not just a simple tech news piece but an early preview... and an important one... it shows a really interesting device that shows that MS and intel may very well have a strong platform with windows 8.I've loaded the windows 8 previews and to this point I was kinda, meh... nothing I need/want... this is the first article that made me go... ahh, I get what they are doing, and I want one.
...although as piroroadkill posted below I'd really prefer hardware with 16:10 aspect ratios and screen size to resolutions that results in a dpi of around 120-130. His list of resolutions/per screen size is spot on IMO (Either that or MS needs to do something to better handle high dpi resolutions when running in desktop mode in windows 8).
assid - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
video in the article doesn't work...DarkMatter93 - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
Awesome! The youtube video isn't working btw.Zink - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
I can watch it on my tablet and laptop.Tablet thickness isn't even a huge concern for most people. I'd say an iPad is already too big for one handed operation and so people end up using their tablets on the couch etc. where something like this would excel for web browsing, 1080p youtube, gaming etc.
fteoath64 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Tablet weight is a huge concern. Size is also a concern, as you said iPad is too BIG for many people. A 7-8.5 inch screen tablet under half a pound that lasts 8 hours of constant use is the key target. Slimness of a tablet makes it an attractive selling point. People might not have an issue if additional thickness were used for stuff like:fold out kick-stand, covered ports for SDcard, microSD card slots.
Win8 is just trying to make a PC fit within the tablet mold but not doing it the right way. I really like Ubuntu for Android concept which goes the other direction, making a superphone behave like a PC as well as a phone when docked.
rickcain2320 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Most folks already have their tablet in some sort of protective cover or flip folder, so thickness isn't really much of an issue. Using a nude iPad is just asking for trouble, considering its lack of drop resistance.Migelo - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
Still having problems? It works for me.piroroadkill - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
It's the ratio AND resolution we moaned about.11.6" 1080p on Windows? Give me a break.
Match them up right. 11.6? 1280x800 would be fine.
13? 1440x900. 14? 1680x1080. 15? 1920x1200..
piroroadkill - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
*1680x1050Migelo - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
Actually, if they go the Apple way and scale icons and UI, so the end result is just a much more smooth picture, I'm ok with it. I love the iPad 3 and iPhone 4 retina resolution screens.B3an - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
The fuck?! How can anyone complain about a 11.6" 1080p IPS screen. This is great.And incase you haven't noticed... This isn't Windows XP. The Metro UI scales extremely well with high resolutions. The icons, text or anything else with not be too small. And if you're going to use the desktop then just hook this thing up to a large monitor. It has HDMI AND Thunderbolt!
BTW, 1280x800 cant be used on Win 8 tablets. You need atleast 1366x768 for all the Metro features to work, it's a minimum requirement for Win 8 tablets.
Roland00Address - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
All metro apps will work as long as the screen resolution is 1024x768. Some metro features such as snap will not work unless the screen resolution is 1366x768 or higher. Windows snap will allow you to have two metro apps working side by side except 1 app will be occupy 1/4 the screen (such as on the left) and the other app will occupy 3/4 the screen.http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/ap...
Thus 1280x800 will work but it will have reduced functionality since the width is not large enough to use all the metro features.
B3an - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
Thanks but i already know all this.I said "1280x800 cant be used on Win 8 tablets" ... because it cant. It's a minimum requirement from Microsoft for Win 8/RT tablets to have atleast 1366x768. There will be no tablets with a lower resolution.
Patflute - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
You got owned.seapeople - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
You sound like the salesperson who came up to me the first time I looked at the new Ipad screen.Me: "Wow, this is amazing, I've never seen text look this great!"
Salesperson: "Yeah, there's not much difference between this screen and the Ipad 2."
Me: "But, um, no, See, look, I can read the entire webpage here without having to zoom and the text looks crisp and clear."
Salesperson: "Here... " *Proceeds to zoom in on both the new ipad and ipad 2 so the text characters are about half an inch tall.* "See, the text is clear on both of them now..."
Visual - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Obviously you have never used a windows tablet. Anything less than 1024px in vertical space automatically means you can't fit most websites horizontally once you switch to portrait mode.So 1080p is a great news.
fteoath64 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
There are LCD panels that does 1920 X 1080 in 11.6 inch size. You might not be able to tell the difference with a movie but reading file text and discriminating photo will make a huge difference on such a screen.I say tablets need such high-resolution screen not so for video but other things such as the above examples. One can hardly tell a 720p movie from a 1080p movie off a 42inch TV so on 11 inches, it does not matter for movies. Its already looks pretty darn good.
bill.rookard - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
USB hub, keyboard, mouse, stand, thunderbolt for external storage and that would be a nice potential laptop replacement along with an all-purpose tablet. The elephant in the room though is: Battery life.A nice IPS display and reasonably powerful processor means that it's gonna suck some power and there's always the tradeoff between portability and longevity. If they can squeeze 7-8 hours of on time (excluding heavy crunching) at a similar price point to the iPad, they (apple) could have some -serious- competition on their hands since I'm pretty sure that even a scaled down IvyBridge should (performance wise) absolutely smoke an A5X.
dagamer34 - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
That's a pretty nice product, though the ASUS Transformer Book is probably a better fit for me because of the keyboard dock. I do wonder if 8 hours really means 8 hours...jjj - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
The Trinity based convertible prototype was more interesting ,might be the most powerful gaming tablet out there.Pricing will be problematic for both AMD and Intel (more so for IB based tablets) and i highly doubt they'll get good sales for any tablet at 600$ and above.
As always you are too optimistic about Intel , price matters more than you think in today's market.
Lonyo - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
Why? Are you assuming that people won't buy tablets that come close to the cost of a higher end laptop?$500 tablet. Oh, I need a laptop too, that's another $500 for a mediocre laptop.
Or $1000 for a tablet which has the same functionality as a laptop, and you only need one device.
ol1bit - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
Yes I assume you are wrong, I will not pay $1000, when just an much functionality is coming from my $499 ASUS Transformer Prime, which weights less. For power, just check out videos of shadowgun running in the tegra 3!Lonyo - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
Do you have a laptop?lilmoe - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
he probably has a laptop AND a desktop. and he most probably didn't get your point.the concept is too complicated for the normal folk. they don't understand that no ARM tablet can currently replace a laptop.
ssj4Gogeta - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
They also don't understand that a single-core Ivy Bridge (if such a thing existed) would still run circles around any current ARM architecture. Quad-core or not.Olimars - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
Shadowgun??? You have very low aspirations. Think more like Skyrim. On a tablet.jwcalla - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
The problem with these hybrid devices is that there's too much bulk to be a good tablet, and too much leanness to be a good laptop. In trying to make compromises it does both functions poorly, and so will probably only appeal to a very small group of people. Especially considering the price.JMO of course.
UpSpin - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
such a hybrid device is as tablet as slim as a tablet, as notebook as thick as a ultrabook.A pure slate tablet, especially at such a high price appeals only a very small group, you can't replace a Laptop with a slate. You need a keyboard, so a transformer like Hybrid allows people to use the device as tablet and laptop without bulk.
The ideal scenario: In the train you have a tablet to surf the web, take notes with the pen, ..., at the cafe you transform it to a notebook with the keyboard dock to write an essay or mails, at home you plug it in the Thunderbolt Docking station, which connects the tablet to your 24" display, USB devices and external GPU and storage and do the intensive workloads.
Conficio - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
Make that: At home you plug it in the Thunderbolt *Work* station, which connects to the tablet and lets you access seamlessly its content while using its local resources.
That is the only use case I can see for PCs with Thunderbold (justifying its hight price). Have the desktop PC connect to a laptop/tablet and see it as a storage device where you can access the data/documents. The OS that can make the content from both available on both, as if it would be in the coud, will be a break through.
JimmiG - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
How many people actually sit around at cafés to write essays, though? Cafés are crowded, noisy and they don't like you sitting around for hours without buying anything. The only ones who ever seem to do that are tech website editors, who do it just to prove a point.I would say most people spend the majority of their time at work and at home, possibly with a semi-lengthy commute in between.
-At home, I use my desktop computer. It's more powerful and ergonomic than a laptop.
-At work, I use a laptop, but 99% of the time it sits in its dock with 3 monitors and a proper mouse and keyboard. 1% of the time I take it to another part of the office for a meeting or similar.
-When using public transport, a smart phone is fine. With a tablet, it feels like everyone can see what you're doing on the screen, and it's too bulky for the narrow seats and crowded spaces of buses and trains. A smart phone can be held discretely in one hand without annoying your seat neighbor.
-On the rare occasions when I actually go to a café, I don't want to be carrying around a bag with a slate, dock, keyboard etc. Then I might as well take a laptop with me.
If I want to check facebook, text someone or quickly check something on the web, a smart phone is fine, and it fits in your jeans pocket.
UpSpin - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
You don't seem to understand: the cafe was an example. My own usage scenario with such a device would look like (currently owning a smartphone, tablet PC (Win 7), desktop PC, so I have a usage of all three devices)- Got woke up by the smartphone, use the desktop dock to check mails, news, ...
- In the car use the smartphone to navigate, ...
- In the train use the smartphone to surf, chat, talk, ...
- In the train use the tablet to draw stuff, annotate documents, read papers, learn stuff
- At the university use the tablet as worksheet display
- At the university use the keyboard dock to type reports in LaTeX, write mails in Outlook, use a virtual PC to run Linux and code in C simulations, ...
- At the university use the keyboard dock to connect it to a projector to present Latex/Powerpoint presentations, science stuff, ..
- In the car/train home, see above
- At home use the Desktop dock to do more demanding tasks, use a more comfortable mouse/keyboard. Play some games
- In front of the TV use the tablet and do some other stuff while watching TV
- In the bed use the tablet to read something, check mails last time
So really, I only need one powerful Smartphone and one powerful Tablet with a keyboard and desktop dock.
lilmoe - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
these are "hand made, pre-production models"... none of these are available in stores yet. hold that thought till the Windows8 launch, then try again.B3an - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
This thing is quite epic. If it has atleast 7 hours battery life and they can get the final design a little thinner, then i'll be getting one (unless another company has something even better).Anand, please cover these new Win 8 devices as much as possible. This is the future.
gorash - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
No way that it can get 7 hours.DigitalFreak - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
The Acer guy said 8 hours in the video, so...Lucian Armasu - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
The "laptop guys" always exaggerate their battery life. ALWAYS.It's usually half of what they are saying. Have you owned any recent laptop with that kind of a resolution that can last you 8 hours with heavy use?
Because the iPad and Android tablets can actually last you 10 hours or more of HEAVY USE - not idling with the screen on, which is what these manufacturers mean when they say "our laptop/tablet lasts 8 hours".
BigBear123 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
You must not own an iPad or Android tablet because they absolutely do not last the 10 hrs from heavy use. I watch youtube and surf the internet quite frequently (refreshing websites, etc...). In no way has my iPad 1 or my GF's iPad 2 ever lasted the advertised 10 hours.Android tablets and iPads are toys anyways. As soon as touch Ultrabooks come out, I'm ditching the iPad.
lilmoe - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
you guys need to tell me where the you get crystal balls from!Romberry - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
Bet ya that yes, way. MS has gone to great lengths to make Win 8 more power efficient*, and I expect that 7+ hours is not unreasonable. We're getting that kind of battery life under Win 7 on some ultrabook class machines already. Can't see why Win8 won't be capable of at least the same.*The recent news about dropping Aero Glass from the release version of Win 8 came about precisely because of the power saving advantages.
Jaybus - Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - link
Umm they aren't using a 77 W quad core desktop processor. It will likely be a special ULV chip with a TDP even less than the already announced i5-3317U, which itself is only 17 W including HD4000 graphics. It will also use a ULV 7-series chipset and mobile RAM and NAND parts, and of course speed step.Also, the 7 hours means 7 hours at "normal" work loads, not max work load. That is true for any battery life spec from any manufacturer. Think of it this way, at the same work loads, an ARM or Atom tablet will be maxed out before this IVB tablet is even breathing hard.
UpSpin - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
For such a high price they have to offer more than just Windows 8 on x86, because, as we all know, the tablet specific app selection will be tiny compared to iOS or Android the first few months (or maybe years)What I miss: Pen input.
Else it looks like a great device. Perfect display, powerful hardware.
The fact, that this tablet requires active cooling speaks against power efficiency and long battery life of the Intel Ivy Bridge processors, sure, they can add a huge battery to compensate this, but this makes the tablet only heavier, and a fan is always noisy and has nothing lost in modern tablets.
Still, nice tech demo. Because this tablet will be available by the end of 2012 soonest, I believe that they can mass produce such a product at the end of the year and don't have to hand select the components any longer.
But the biggest drawbacks: power ineffcient, thus either short battery life and lightweight or long battery life but heavy, and the lack of the must-have Windows tablet PC feature: pen, must get solved, especially if they want that much money.
Romberry - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
Quote: "the tablet specific app selection will be tiny compared to iOS or Android the first few months"Response: So? I hear that "number of apps" thing all the time, but it strikes me as essentially meaningless. What proportion of the available apps are widely downloaded and used on either iOS or Android? There may be many thousands of apps, but only a relative few are popular and in wide use.
UpSpin - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
you're right, but the same applies to the WP7 app store. Bigger apps need more development time and ressources. Because an app store only has few apps, doesn't mean that those few apps are of high quality.The more apps are available the more likely it gets that more high quality apps are available there, too, because more people develop for it, because more people think they can make money from this particular app store.
So if the percentage of good apps remains constant (which I believe by looking at iOS and Android market and the lack of support of apps in the WP7 market which are highly supported on iOS and Android) WP market has only very very few.
moshj - Sunday, June 17, 2012 - link
People said the .Net Framework would not catch and Java would rule. Now .Net programmers are in greater demand and earn more.Once Win8 becomes GA, the developers will develop for it and the Windows App Store will explode. If there is one thing Microsoft has always done very well, it is provide the right tools and APIs to get developers working fast. You can develop for App Store now, and many are already doing it. But many are also waiting to develop against the a final RTM version of Win8.
Come 2012 when all new non Apple, laptops and desktops are shipping with Win8, there will be a rapid explosion of Win8 apps. It's history repeating.
ol1bit - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
In reality I don't see business jumping to buy these over iPads or ICS tablets. The price is way to steep for consumers. heck iPad are even being used by pilots. As a busness, you can write custom software for IOS or ICS just as easy as you can with Windows 8.I have the Asus transformer Prime, and and just shocked at what it can do speedwise with graphics, 3d games, heck every output stereo 3D games to my TV!
And I thought the $499 price was steep, so Windows 8 at $799 or $999 no thank you!
ICS rocks, and I'll be shocked if a powerhouse tablet's battery can even compare with what the iPad or what mine can do for length of use. Asus is unique in that it's folding removable keyboard shares a battery with the display as well.
B3an - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
... So you actually think businesses will choose a limited OS against a full blown Windows OS that will already run all their current software, run Office, and has for more network and business capabilities?And another thing... Asus will also have Transformer Win 8 tablets, they've been announced. But they'll have better hardware and a full Windows OS - So once again no contest here, why would anyone want Android.
And of course something as powerful as this wont have battery life as good as an ARM tablet! You always have to choose between speed and battery life. SOME people prefer to sacrifice battery and have faster hardware though! But their will also be ARM powered Win RT tablets and Intel Clover Trail Win 8 tablets if you want the longer battery life. These will compare to Android/iPad tablets in regards to battery life. The point is you have way more choice with Windows, you get whatever suits your needs.
I'll bet Win 8 tablets will have a way higher market share than Android within the first 12 months.
jamawass - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
My business (healthcare) definitely requires this. Currently we're still using xp pen based tablet notebooks. I would like pen input though rather than swiping the screen after examining a patient. BTW this device is relatively cheap as our Electronic medical record provider charged us $2000/ laptop for our current devices.moshj - Sunday, June 17, 2012 - link
$700 is not much for something that can still run all of your legacy apps while being able to double as a laptop and a tablet. Besides, large enterprises never pay the retail price; they use economies of scale to get a much lower price per unit. If a major investment bank wanted to buy 1,000 units I'm sure Acer would offer a suitable discount in return for some publicity.jwcalla - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
I don't know of any IVB processors that are in the same galaxy of power efficiency as the ARM stuff. Seems like they'd need a big battery to make up for it.I guess I don't get it... IVB for web browsing and e-mail is beyond overkill. So this is going to be a niche product.
At this point I'm beginning to think that Apple is the only tech company that has a clue.
frostyfiredude - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
This has a desktop dock and several ports, so it's clearly meant to be a more than just a simple web browsing tablet to compete directly with the iPad in the mass market. The W510 is more of the iPad's direct competitor because of it's estimated price(599), physical size(11-12mm), and processor efficiency (32nm dual core Atom).BigBear123 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Surfing the internet on my comp is way faster than on the iPad. I have a million windows open and they never need to refresh unless I want them to. Can't say the same for the iPad.Surfing the internet on the comp is SOOOO much better than on a tablet. Now, when touch ultrabooks with IVB come out...that's a whole new ball game.
Iketh - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
As a developer, I cannot WAIT to get my hands on the W700. One of my clients will immediately start using this in their office as a patient sign-in and form fill-out instead of paper+pen and will communicate seemlessly with the actual procedures for the patient throughout the office, all on Windowsx86!!UpSpin - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
why don't you buy a ASUS Slate or Samsung Slate or Motion Computing Slates? All offer more than this one, they are available now, not only in half a year and they have touchscreens AND pen, so patients really can sign-in. No reason to wait for this tablet with Windows 8 if your client will use custom written software or software like Office, so no reason to wait for those tiny Metro apps.alxx - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
And with the cl900 can integrate payments from credit cards and scanning health care cards.Also c5v which can be disinfected without problems.
http://www.motioncomputing.com/products/tablet_pc_...
Or Panasonic H1 tough book.
dagamer34 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Series 7 slate is $1000, presumably these Windows 8 tablets will be cheaper.maximumGPU - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
this is a step in the right direction, and i hope they keep throwing good hardware at windows 8, unlike windows 7 phones. otherwise there's no chance of competing with Apple.the ipad is a great tablet, but it is easy to see how windows 8 could offer so you much more in terms of flexibility. cant wait for the reviews.
hvakrg - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
If this had hdmi on the dock I would replace all my HTPVs with this thingpuppies - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
It has a mini HDMI port on the tablet, why do you need one on the dock?ShieTar - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
So the screen can stay connected to the dock, one would assume? That is basically the purpose of a dock, to connect your mobile device with all the immobile equipment with one quick action instead of connection of dozens of cables.GrizzledYoungMan - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
I might have to get myself a tablet.Never thought I'd write that sentence.
rickcain2320 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Just lie down and get some rest, the urge will go away.IntelUser2000 - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
I don't believe there's anything special in the chip side for Ivy Bridge, its likely just taking advantage of Configurable TDP on Ivy Bridge. We've never seen it in action before, but this is exactly where they would use it.14W for Tablet
17W with better cooling/dock
falc0ne - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
Actually I can't believe these guys are still in business after all the crap they sell. I've been working 5 years in a service centre and most of RMA reports from laptop cathegory were Acer laptops. Sometimes they would arrive 2 or more from the same range faulty, all in just one day.I don't care what Acer is producing...they might as well give the for free, I will never take it.
Roland00Address - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
How much of a pain would i be to have a 10 to 13 inch tablet which has these following partsTablet
-10 to 13 inch screen IPS with a 400 brightness or higher
-Intel Ivybridge or Haswell ULV
-8 GB of ddr3 memory (dual channel)
-80 GB SSD in msata format
-At least 5 hour battery
-Under 2.5 lbs (Asus 12 inch slate is 2.6lbs, Ipad 3 is 1.44 lbs
-Thunderbolt
Laptop Dock
-This part is not a computer itself but instead a dock for the Tablet, it has the following components
-Male Thunderbolt connection to dock with Female Thunderbolt on tablet. Male power connection to share power
-Keyboard and Touchpad
-Second Hard Drive (Drive D) this hard-drive can be mechanical to save on cost
-Laptop GPU at least Geforce 640m/650m with gddr5 or 7850m/7870m (which is effectively a downclocked 7770 that is 32watts of heat.)
-Second Battery to add battery life
-Enough weight on the dock to not make the screen top heavy, yet light enough to be under 5 lbs when docked with the Tablet
I believe this is very possible now with Thunderbolt? Am I missing something? Is there a reason we haven't heard or seen this yet?
dagamer34 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
All very possible, but there's little reason to announce products 4 months before release. You don't want to give competitors an early look at your products.jabber - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
Looks and works great. Just as Metro should ON A TABLET.Not sure how it will fair against the myriad of dual core IPS ICS tablets for $200 we'll have by Xmas.
fteoath64 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
More like quad core Tegra3 tablet with 7inch to 10 inch screens going between $200 and $290. Each one doing 8 to 10 hours in a single charge and weight in under one pound, some of them even less than half-a-pound.Suddenly, huge tablets like these would ask the question: why don't I stick to top-notch specs laptop for under 3 pounds, rather than compromising so much for this stuff at around the same price point ?!!.
BigBear123 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
IVB is on a whole different planet when compared to Tegra...probably in another universe when it comes to performance & capabilities. I'm under no illusion that IVB will not last as long as a Tegra 3, but I can also do FAR more on IVB then I will EVER be able to do on any ARM processor today (or the foreseeable future). I'm more than willing to sacrifice some battery stamina for more usage scenarios.alxx - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
So you be doing a full review closer to windows 8 launch ?Be nice to see some cad results being run on it.
When are you guys going to review one of the motion computing tablets ?
Would love to see a full review of the J3500 and cl900 with both windows 7 and windows 8.
They claim 8 hours life for the cl9000.
Are you guys to review the new HP and fujitsu slates when they are available ?
Meghan54 - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
I don't care how much Acer handbuilt and spent on the sample....Acer is just junk and anyone is a fool to pay top dollar for any Acer POS product. Acer is quickly becoming the eMachines of the 2010's.Romberry - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
...in one word: Want!Two words may be better: Want bad!
nathanddrews - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
I realize it's a full Windows PC, but an SD card slot seems like a missed feature. Being able to insert my camera's memory card into it for instant on-the-go editing would be fantastic...alxx - Saturday, June 9, 2012 - link
definitelymy old fujitsu slate st5011 from 2004 has a compact flash slot
rickcain2320 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
It does seem silly. If you want a closed system that intentionally keeps you from plugging memory cards in you will gravitate towards an iPad anyway.vision33r - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
None of these tablets are anything new. We had this stuff over 10 yrs ago with the Fujitsu, IBM, and Dell hybrid tablets. They never took off because Windows XP Tablet edition sucked.Windows 8 is clearly better but today there are $100 tablets that can do basically what people want which is to surf, read emails, and watch videos.
We don't need to push beyond $500, the masses would rather stick with ARM tablets under $500.
alxx - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
The problem was the cost not so much xp tablet , the weight 1 - 2kg (up to 4lbs) and poor battery life.They did find a few niches where they are still common.
Xp tablet is better than windows 7 on a tablet.
What percentage of the market are $100 tablets ?
The masses appear to prefer arm tablets between $500 and $700.
medi01 - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
Back than, it wasn't that desperate for two big players, Microsoft & Intel, that just realized they've missed the wagon.Two companies with ugly business practices and shameless margins.
dagamer34 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
I shudder to think of the power efficiency that existed in Intel chips in the days when Windows XP Tablet Edition existed...rickcain2320 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
The power consumption was quite low, but needless to say they couldn't play Skyrim.runner50783 - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
This is why I love Anandtech, this was the device that caught my attention the most as well and this is the type of device I expect to see thrive in windows 8 land and ahead. Sadly it was overlooked by the media who paid more attention to the albeit horrid plastic stands than the actual functionality of the device.This is also why I believe Windows 8 will crush iOS down the road and it will do so because Apple will never let iOS grow to cannibalize OSX, iOS will always have light version of Apps, almost capable of doing stuff while Windows 8 tablets will be running full blown versions. I also don't expect Apple to touchfy OSX.
Big gamble Microsoft is doing, all strives on execution from now on, very exited about the possibilities technology is enabling = )
rickcain2320 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Apple is thinking even farther ahead. They're planning to get rid of OSX and desktops entirely, so it would be a fool's gambit for Microsoft to "capture Apples desktop market" when desktops will be relegated to a small corner of computing anyway.Good plan, go after a shrinking market.
Joseph Slemp - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link
Jobs speech was pure marketspeak. Desktops aren't going anywhere anytime soon. There are far too many practical uses for them that portables simply can't match; and won't in the near future.AmdInside - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
I did not see the weight mentioned anywhere? The first iPad felt too heavy. The iPad2 felt just right. I don't see myself using a hybrid laptop as a tablet if it weighs too much and judging by the picture, it doesn't look lite.Iketh - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
none of the physical specs are final as stated in the articleversesuvius - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
A few more iterations of this and ARM will be reduced to holding the bottom line on anything just a little more than a picture frame. All Intel and its partners have to do is to shave off 2 mm off the thickness and ARM based pads will officially be children toys.medi01 - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
Lunacy.Arm has more than enough power for tablets, at a fraction of Intel's price AND power consumption.
And nobody needs to make tablets even pricer, by increasing price to satisfy appetite of of Microsoft's and Intel.
BigBear123 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
ARM is fine for tablets as toys. I like a multi-use device. You can't get that with ARM.medi01 - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
Ugly looking tablet that wastes 1.5cm of space along the LONGEST edge for windows button and has suspicious (ventilation? how much does this thing consume and what did they do to ARM???) holes on top, running OS from that ugly Balmer guy, that is "starting somewhere around $799 and going up to $999" is something big?Seriously? Big ugly pricey piece of ***t that nobody would buy you mean?
PS
I hope this article was meant as a hidden advertisement,...
darkhawk1980 - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
Honestly, why is this such a big deal?Samsung's Series 7 Slate launched mid-2011, and aside from the screen resolution and thunderbolt, there's not many differences. I didn't see some huge article on here when the Series 7 Slate launched, why start now?
I would have much rather seen an article about all the various Tablets/Slates that were seen. Having used one now for a few months as my main work computer (yes, the Series 7 Slate CAN actually replace a desktop, 2 laptops, and a lab computer), I can really say that I was impressed with the tablet. I won't dare put Windows 8 on it though, I want to keep that crap as far away from any PC I own for as long as I can.
kyuu - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
You want to keep the OS that is basically designed for tablets away from your tablet?Win8 on desktops I can understand the aversion. Win8 on tablets? Don't get it.
kyuu - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
By "Don't get it." I meant I don't get the aversion.damianrobertjones - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
"with Transformer-style keyboard dock, "You mean like the HP TC1100 or Acer W500 which were both out before the T
damianrobertjones - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
"ust Apple are able to produce compelling products in the market. Apple's Tim Cook understands the supply chain very well. As Intel one of the largest if not the largest consumer of cost in Apple's Mac bill of materials, "Why is apple ALWAYS mentioned? Why not Asus, Sony or HP? Why not Lenovo or MSI?
damianrobertjones - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
Did it have a stylus?alphaOri - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
For me, stylus input is what is most exciting about the windows 8 tablets. Is Asus going to include a wacom or n-trig stylus input?melgross - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
I really don't see the importance in how well this performs on Metro. I would think that most perspective buyers would want it for the standard Windows programs they now use. So the important question really is; How well will it do there?One major reason that Windows tablets (Convertables) did so poorly is because Windows just isn't usable on a tablet. It was difficult on 13 to 15" tablets. How well will it work on a 10" to 11.6" model? Not too well, I would imagine. so what's changed other than these are real tablets now, and so lighter?
After all, if people are goi g to be buying them mainly for Metro, they may as well buy an Rt tablet.
kyuu - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
"[...] so what's changed other than these are real tablets now, and so lighter?"Um, the fact that Win8 is designed for tablet use?
melgross - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Possibly you don't understand. The Desktop, and it's programs work the same as they always have.So you can "um" yourself all you want to.
Dribble - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
I'd like to see you using an existing windows app with it's fiddly little buttons and ribbons on a really high res full HD screen, and no mouse/keyboard - just your fingers.mzr - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
If Microsoft can pull this off, I'll be impressed. It is looking good so far, and this is coming from a person that is almost all-Apple. I had written them off in anything but full-blown desktop stuff.kenyee - Sunday, June 10, 2012 - link
and it'll sell like hotcakes.$800 is more than people would pay for this...even w/ Metro :-P
milkod2001 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
1.for web/audio/video/FB/Twitter: 200/500 bucks Ipad/Android tablets2.for a bit of production work 800/1000 bucks ultrabook/proper laptop
3.this 800 bucks tablet won't perform like 2. cost 2-3 times more then 1.Has active cooler=after a few months will get noisy and too warm. What is there to like?
Visual - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Please give the option of an active digitizer, preferably Wacom.I'll pay extra, but it is a must have. I'm not even an artist and am not using it all that much, but it's still a great feature to have in certain situations. After having been spoiled by it on my TM2, I am never buying a tablet without it.
A few programmable buttons and a mini optical trackpad ala MSI 110w or a trackpoint ala thinkpads on the bezel would also be a great addition. Or maybe experiment with a touchpad on the back side that can be used while you are holding it ala PS Vita...
Donkey2008 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Eye of the Beholder possibly, but I find the Metro interface flat out ugly and I am no more productive with it then I am on any iOS device. I figured that Microsoft would have learned a lesson from the sales failure of the Windows phones, but someone at Microsoft is hell bent on pushing their vision of a GUI that looks better suited for an Apple IIe. A strange irony in that I guess.Just my 2 cents.
Shadowmaster625 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
This product should not have a fan. If it gets too hot it should just throttle and run slow. There is no reasonable tablet usage scenario where it should dissipate more than 5-7 watts.Visual - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link
LOL, can you ever be more wrong than that?Anyway, the next time I play Eve Online or Diablo 3 on my TM2 I'll remember your post and laugh about it.
amartyakundu - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
With a WIN 7 Tablet, a Iconia W500, I get 4 hours of web browsing with an USB 3g Modem. With an Galaxy Note I get 4 hours of web browsing using EDGE. Not much difference in battery life when using it for same purpose.trip1ex - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
I don't see this thing taking off.No one will want a tablet that is heavy or thick or hot or has short battery life or has active cooling which means noise and dust or is much larger than the iPad.
Who wants to pay more for laptop replacement that is worse than a laptop for serious work or pay more for an ipad replacement that is worse for casual use.
That is the position that it seems like the Win8 tablet finds itself in.
rickcain2320 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Microsoft just doesn't understand Apple. People buy Apples because they provide a rich user experience and their software support is part of that.Microsoft's software graveyard is littered with abandonware, testware, I never was serious about supporting it ware, and bloatware. Who wants to plunk down a huge chunk of cash on a tablet that will be worthless because Microsoft decided to hop out of the tablet market....again.
Not everybody wants to jailbreak and run linux builds with special loaders on their tablets.
At work we have boxes of godawful PDA's with godawful microsoft CE that never worked right and was of dubious utility when it did. Now its just a box of useless shiny objects that cost $500 a pop.
rickcain2320 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Well that's about 2 years too late. This would have been groundbreaking in 2010.Lucian Armasu - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
"Price: Much Bigger than an ARM Tablet"Fixed.
BigBear123 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Capabilities: much MORE than an ARM tablet.What's your point?
burntham77 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Dear My Motorola Xoom:Your days are numbered, despite the ICS update. You've been warned.
Love,
Rob
Guspaz - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
My rule of thumb is, if it's thick enough for fulls-sized ports like USB, it's too thick to be a practical tablet.rickcain2320 - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Because consumers LOVE proprietary sockets!jwcalla - Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - link
Micro-USB isn't exactly proprietary.designerfx - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Forget even $900, $700 is flat out ridiculous and fits in the "I will never suggest that to businesses when discussing rolling out mobile". I don't care if you find a way to put a pair of gtx 690's into a tablet, over $500 is just not appropriate for that form factor when you will never get anything to match the performance you can get out of other devices.Now that you have phone docks into large monitors there's even less of a point of considering such a tablet.
The device sounds interesting but there's a gigantic lack of information at the moment.
Belard - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
You got that right!Sorry Anand, but this is you thinking like a techie than a consumer. $800~1000 for a tablet?! I understand you needs for such a device and there are already Win7 tablets selling for $1000. Lets see those sales figures...
MS introduced the tabt-hybrid-computer back in 2001 with Windows XP. Even today, there are 1-2 systems sold that way (ThinkPad X). They sold for $2000~3000... to specific markets. When the iPad came out, many laughed at it... its under-powered, no keyboard, it costs too much for what it does.
Even today, the apple haters balk at the "high price" of iPads... $400~500 is high?
Yes, there is a market for a $1000 tablet... small one. Apple will continue to sell iPads quite well.
If MS wants to make a dent in the tablet market, it has to be a METRO-ONLY device running smoothly on an ARM CPU that costs $300~600 (depending on memory).
Considering that MS has totally screwed up Windows8 for desktop computers, I NO LONGER have faith that MS can pull it off. I thought they would take-over the market with Windows 8.... I love metro on the phone, its great... and I'm sure it'll be great on a tablet. On a desktop, it sucks. It SUCKS.
I hate Vista... I Love Windows 7.... I HATE Window8 metro even more than Vista.
Rip out the Metro crap from Windows8, put back the Start Menu, with perhaps a Metro Launcher that the user can USE if he wants to... then Win8 will be a winner.
There are LOTS of great improvements in Win8... but going to Metro and back to desktop constantly gets OLD really really quick.
I see the future... people will be returning Win8 desktops/notebooks for refunds.
bhima - Monday, June 11, 2012 - link
Wacom digitizer support, I'd pay $1,200 for it without breaking a sweat.oneblackened - Tuesday, June 12, 2012 - link
I can't help but think that Win8 would work best as a tablet OS with Metro. I think Microsoft was going for that, though. Certainly seems like there are some major GUI changes to fit smaller touch screens better.Arbie - Wednesday, June 13, 2012 - link
OK, it may be a great device for looking through your pictures - but who carries a computer around for that? I saw nothing regarding data entry except a brief view of a keyboard image that pretty much filled the screen. How do you edit documents, or do anything useful other than surf the net?
I'd be much more interested in a small laptop or netbook.
MobiusStrip - Thursday, June 14, 2012 - link
The Thunderbolt port is pretty sweet.The glossy screen is pretty sad.
jnemesh - Thursday, June 14, 2012 - link
$800 for a tablet is WAY overpriced, I don't care what OS it runs! People are not going to be purchasing these overpriced TOYS with it's Fisher Price UI!I purchased a 10.1" Android tablet (Toshiba Thrive) for $260. THAT is what this is going to compete with on one side, and it will be competing with "ultrabooks" on the other side!
This is shaping up to be a COLOSSAL failure, in a scope not seen since IBM introduced the "PS/2"!
Joseph Slemp - Wednesday, June 20, 2012 - link
Android hasn't exactly set the tablet world on fire. And speaking of toy OSes, Android and iOS fit that definition quite well. I don't own a tablet yet because none of the available options meet my definition of anything beyond overpriced media consumption device.jmsabatini - Thursday, June 14, 2012 - link
Why couldn't they bring this thing to market with a 128GB SSD for $799?64GB is too small. Even for an iPad.
I can buy a 128GB Crucial M4 from Amazon for $122 right now, and that's not even on sale.
shriganesh - Saturday, June 16, 2012 - link
think notebook quick, not tablet quick! This is why I exactly love Anandtech! If you guys can't give specifics, you are able to convey the reader about the hardware at least in a relative manner! Well done!hrga - Sunday, June 17, 2012 - link
It's nicegadget.... and the whole wanna be teaser is unedited uncuted editorial shot by cell phone that actually doesnt reveal or show *nothing* than *win8 powered* digital photoframemaus92 - Monday, June 18, 2012 - link
Speed, apps, battery life, and especially a daylight readable screen.dwade123 - Tuesday, June 19, 2012 - link
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dalew676 - Tuesday, August 14, 2012 - link
What You See Is What You Get Consumer market is what the Phadblet phase has been. real tablets are now SLATES and should not be called tablets to confuse the generic and amatuer consumer of why would i get a windows 8 FULL OS over a generic OS like IOS or Android when you dont know the difference. it has been this way since any known device other than computers and cell phones came out. why would i get a 8 cylinder car versus this fuel efficient 4 cylinder? same device/concept but difference in power. thats what this new phase is having a V8 with a hybrid engine is now being built into the market that wasnt there years ago. thats what this new Windows 8 conept is going towards. everyone says they are late and yes they should have tried to get this right when they launched the windows 7 phones and tried to get at least an ARM tablet out into the market so people as well as Microsoft could improve on this and have a perfect device by windows 8. buts its now or never at this point.you do that math people. all old applications will work on windows 8 other than the ARM counterpart which is understandable because they are two seperate architectures. Bluestacks is bridging that gap and so are others.
WYSIWYG will always be there in the consumer eyes when buying devices. price and ease of use over what is under the hood. techies will know what is under the hood but the majority of people will not know and that majority is clearly growing. WYSIWYG Consumers will follow that rule. some will pay more when a popular product is flashed in their eyes more than a cheaper and better device is there.
the IPAD is great and works great but it cant do all that a full blown OSX device can do in terms of productivity thats what this is bridging productivity (hardcore gaming, Avid, Adobe Premiere/photoshop/etc.) meets basic WYSIWYG consumer use (internet, email and some basic to amautar gaming). ARM windows will be for the basic consumer but that would be stupid to have becuase your defeating the purpose of having a full OS on SLATE (whole other topic).
i just hope the naming for these Tablets change to Slates soon or more and more articles will come out saying why Windows Tablet is/isnt better than the Ipad. they are different yes they can be compared but your comparing apples to oranges. never compare a full product to a base product unless the functionality of something is the same. never compare a car battery to a aaa battery. same concept (battery) but dont compare how they work the same way when one is clearly bigger and more efficient than the other.
Wow i need to stop. sorry all if you read all of this. have a splendid one all AnandTechies.