And it's only a matter of time before Apple copy MS again with Windows 8. They're almost definitely going to merge iOS and OSX together at some point. Where as MS will already have a single OS that runs on everything.
I'd also bet that Apple ripoff Windows 8 features with small updates to OSX before Win 8 ships. They always do this when MS show Windows feature so far before release, then everyone thinks MS are copying Apple when it was MS who did it first.
"Where as MS will already have a single OS that runs on everything."
No they don't. not even close. They'll have Windows 8 for "PCs" and tablets, WP7 for smartphones, and whatever bastardized version for their game console.
Apple has OS X for every HW product, sans some iPods: Macs, AppleTV, iPod Touch/iPhone, and iPad. The last three running a streamlined version of OS X called iOS, and the last two running the same UI foundation, CocoaTouch.
And what makes you think that Windows 8 won't be made to run on a phone when Metro is CLEARLY designed with tablets in mind? Microsoft has been doing consolidation of multiple product development lines for quite a while now. Remember Windows 98/ME was consumer, with Windows NT/2000 on the corporate side, both lines merged into Windows XP. WP7 is now on phones, and Windows 7 is on PCs, so it makes sense that Windows 8 would end up merging both the ultra-mobile and desktop/laptop designs going forward.
I'd love to see Windows become more unified but it looks like it'll be at least another 5 years before that could happen.
I'm not too thrilled with what I've seen of W8/Metro for tablets, but I love my experience with WP7. I hope they can get a foothold in the market sooner rather than later.
Oh come on, how can *you* be thrilled with Windows(8,9,7 or any version)? We both know that Win8 by the looks of it will be a catastrophic fail. Nothing can stand the mobile onslaught of Ios and Android; Linux and OSX on the desktop front.
I think it's pretty clear that the goal is for windows 8, or a version thereof, to run on all devices, including desktops, laptops, tablets, phones, and the xbox. Whether or not those devices will have a "slimmed down" version of the OS is another story, but ultimately having a single OS that can do everything is a goldmine.
iPhone and all the iToys do NOT run OSX. iOS is completely different to OSX, the interface and everything. Plus apps for iOS dont run on OSX do they. God you're thick.
If you're going to say that iOS is OSX then you can also say that Windows Phone is Windows being as it uses code from Windows so it must be a "streamlined" version.
Windows 8 will be the exact same OS on all devices bar phones, for now.
Funny how Apple was the one to differentiate OS X into two groups: Mac OS and iPhone OS, now iOS…. but if you had better reading comprehension you would already known this.
Hate to break it to you but MS split Windows years and years ago into the desktop and PDA? Remember Windows CE (released 1996), Windows PocketPC, and Windows Mobile? Then before there was an iPhone, there were Windows Mobile phones running, you guessed it, Windows Mobile. The first smartphone running Windows Mobile was back in 2003. Guess what, it even had apps! There were versions of Office, that could open the desktop versions documents, etc.
WinCE and it's evolution is not the same OS or kernel as desktop Windows or the Windows ES that followed much later. Even now WP7 is based off of WinCE, not a trimmed version of Windows 7.
It might shock you to know that WinNT & Win16 were completely different OSes and later merged to become WinXP.
WinCE similarly was a Windows OS that was largely compatible with the consumer version.
WinMobile & WP7 & are direct descendants of WinCE and have enjoyed the same name changing that the mainstream Windows has undergone.
Apple uses 3 unique OSes currently that cannot easily port code across.
Microsoft maintains 3 unique OSes (XBox is the other one) and keeps the APIs close enough to make life easy for porters.
With Win8 they are creating a stripped version of the full desktop OS (x86 support removed) to ARM devices. They are demoing a UI that would be usable on an ordinary non-touch phone.
Microsoft is definitely not copying Apple in this process of streamling their entire lineup. This is something Microsoft started doing in the 1980's and IBM and others were doing in the 1960's
Apple may be doing it also, but they are definitel not innovators on this basis.
I've shown how Mac OS X 10.7.0 and iOS 5.0 are using the same OS (Darwin 11.0.0), now show me where WP7, Win7, and XBOX360 are all using the same fork and even close to the same kernel.
I like how when MS makes a derivative it's a "bastardized" version, but when your beloved Apple does it, it's a "streamlined" version. LOL GTFO of here with your garbage.
Sorry, you will probably all hate me for asking such a question. Do any of you have any idea as to when Windows 8 may be released? Based on personal thoughts or "leaks"? I had a look at the key dates for previous Microsoft Windows operating systems but I'm struggling to see a pattern. Any help or does everybody else have just as much knowledge on the subject as I do?
Normal release pattern is roughly 3 year intervals. WinXP->Vista being the major exception due to development problems
Expect Win8 RTM in 12 to 15 months if all goes well. I am probably off, but that estimate should be pretty close :)
To check times on past releases, look at the initial Beta test vs RTM. Vista is an exception as there was an abandoned Longhorn version involved in that process.
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FATCamaro - Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - link
First the app store, then touch everything, then ultrabooks, now downloadable installer.azmodean - Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - link
Yea, because Apple invented all of those things, oh wait, make that none of them.B3an - Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - link
And it's only a matter of time before Apple copy MS again with Windows 8. They're almost definitely going to merge iOS and OSX together at some point. Where as MS will already have a single OS that runs on everything.I'd also bet that Apple ripoff Windows 8 features with small updates to OSX before Win 8 ships. They always do this when MS show Windows feature so far before release, then everyone thinks MS are copying Apple when it was MS who did it first.
solipsism - Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - link
"Where as MS will already have a single OS that runs on everything."No they don't. not even close. They'll have Windows 8 for "PCs" and tablets, WP7 for smartphones, and whatever bastardized version for their game console.
Apple has OS X for every HW product, sans some iPods: Macs, AppleTV, iPod Touch/iPhone, and iPad. The last three running a streamlined version of OS X called iOS, and the last two running the same UI foundation, CocoaTouch.
Targon - Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - link
And what makes you think that Windows 8 won't be made to run on a phone when Metro is CLEARLY designed with tablets in mind? Microsoft has been doing consolidation of multiple product development lines for quite a while now. Remember Windows 98/ME was consumer, with Windows NT/2000 on the corporate side, both lines merged into Windows XP. WP7 is now on phones, and Windows 7 is on PCs, so it makes sense that Windows 8 would end up merging both the ultra-mobile and desktop/laptop designs going forward.solipsism - Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - link
I'd love to see Windows become more unified but it looks like it'll be at least another 5 years before that could happen.I'm not too thrilled with what I've seen of W8/Metro for tablets, but I love my experience with WP7. I hope they can get a foothold in the market sooner rather than later.
ananduser - Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - link
Oh come on, how can *you* be thrilled with Windows(8,9,7 or any version)? We both know that Win8 by the looks of it will be a catastrophic fail. Nothing can stand the mobile onslaught of Ios and Android; Linux and OSX on the desktop front.JKflipflop98 - Thursday, November 24, 2011 - link
Dude, you're delusional if you think Linux is anywhere near ready for the desktop. Windows destroys it in every metric possible.Fritzr - Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - link
He's not delusional he has also noticed that OSX is shoving Microsoft off of the desktop :Pinighthawki - Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - link
I think it's pretty clear that the goal is for windows 8, or a version thereof, to run on all devices, including desktops, laptops, tablets, phones, and the xbox. Whether or not those devices will have a "slimmed down" version of the OS is another story, but ultimately having a single OS that can do everything is a goldmine.ananduser - Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - link
You should take not of what solipsism says. He doesn't have 25k posts on AppleInsider for nothing. He knows his Apple gear well.B3an - Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - link
You are one stereotypically thick Apple user.iPhone and all the iToys do NOT run OSX. iOS is completely different to OSX, the interface and everything. Plus apps for iOS dont run on OSX do they. God you're thick.
If you're going to say that iOS is OSX then you can also say that Windows Phone is Windows being as it uses code from Windows so it must be a "streamlined" version.
Windows 8 will be the exact same OS on all devices bar phones, for now.
solipsism - Friday, November 25, 2011 - link
Funny how Apple was the one to differentiate OS X into two groups: Mac OS and iPhone OS, now iOS…. but if you had better reading comprehension you would already known this.There is even a big ass fucking banner from when they introduced their iPhone SDK: [link]http://assets.gearlive.com/blogimages/wwdc-os-x-ip...[/link]
smjain - Saturday, November 26, 2011 - link
Hate to break it to you but MS split Windows years and years ago into the desktop and PDA? Remember Windows CE (released 1996), Windows PocketPC, and Windows Mobile? Then before there was an iPhone, there were Windows Mobile phones running, you guessed it, Windows Mobile. The first smartphone running Windows Mobile was back in 2003. Guess what, it even had apps! There were versions of Office, that could open the desktop versions documents, etc.solipsism - Sunday, November 27, 2011 - link
WinCE and it's evolution is not the same OS or kernel as desktop Windows or the Windows ES that followed much later. Even now WP7 is based off of WinCE, not a trimmed version of Windows 7.Fritzr - Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - link
It might shock you to know that WinNT & Win16 were completely different OSes and later merged to become WinXP.WinCE similarly was a Windows OS that was largely compatible with the consumer version.
WinMobile & WP7 & are direct descendants of WinCE and have enjoyed the same name changing that the mainstream Windows has undergone.
Apple uses 3 unique OSes currently that cannot easily port code across.
Microsoft maintains 3 unique OSes (XBox is the other one) and keeps the APIs close enough to make life easy for porters.
With Win8 they are creating a stripped version of the full desktop OS (x86 support removed) to ARM devices. They are demoing a UI that would be usable on an ordinary non-touch phone.
Microsoft is definitely not copying Apple in this process of streamling their entire lineup. This is something Microsoft started doing in the 1980's and IBM and others were doing in the 1960's
Apple may be doing it also, but they are definitel not innovators on this basis.
solipsism - Friday, November 25, 2011 - link
Here's another view: http://www.roughlydrafted.com/wp-content/uploads/2...I've shown how Mac OS X 10.7.0 and iOS 5.0 are using the same OS (Darwin 11.0.0), now show me where WP7, Win7, and XBOX360 are all using the same fork and even close to the same kernel.
JKflipflop98 - Thursday, November 24, 2011 - link
I like how when MS makes a derivative it's a "bastardized" version, but when your beloved Apple does it, it's a "streamlined" version. LOL GTFO of here with your garbage.Taft12 - Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - link
MS is only interested in copying something AFTER Apple does it first.wonderfield - Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - link
He didn't claim Apple invented any of these things.Andrew.a.cunningham - Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - link
Microsoft doesn't make the hardware that runs Windows - ultrabooks are Intel/ASUS/Acer/Toshiba/etc.'s baby, not Microsoft's.mckirkus - Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - link
Can we stop this battle now so some relevant comments actually see the light of day?sprockkets - Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - link
Uh, yeah, who had an integrated installer system for programs, and who could install over the internet, exactly has mentioned here?Linux.
sgtrock1us - Monday, November 28, 2011 - link
Don't forget the *BSDs.Taft12 - Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - link
"The Windows 8 installer ... uses "hard links" to files to change their location in the file structure without physically moving the data around"Whaddaya know, UNIX really *IS* "the one true way"!
ananduser - Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - link
Taft12 and FATCamarorichardostallmano - Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - link
Sorry, you will probably all hate me for asking such a question. Do any of you have any idea as to when Windows 8 may be released? Based on personal thoughts or "leaks"? I had a look at the key dates for previous Microsoft Windows operating systems but I'm struggling to see a pattern. Any help or does everybody else have just as much knowledge on the subject as I do?Fritzr - Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - link
Normal release pattern is roughly 3 year intervals. WinXP->Vista being the major exception due to development problemsExpect Win8 RTM in 12 to 15 months if all goes well. I am probably off, but that estimate should be pretty close :)
To check times on past releases, look at the initial Beta test vs RTM. Vista is an exception as there was an abandoned Longhorn version involved in that process.