Yeah, isn't it always right wing wackiness, that seems to not fit with...well, tech or Anandtech or anything, really.
At any rate, I like knowing about stuff like this. I mean what tech person isn't interested in developments like this, even if they personally aren't interested?
I do have to sort of wonder what the point of faster SATA is on these though beyond marketing...can these actually saturate the bus? I doubt it save for transfers from the cache.
Hey, my Momentus XT has a 32MB cache too :) (Mobile version)
The articles tend towards left-wing. The comments tend towards right-wing.
And yeah, I don't see much point of putting these on a 6 Gbps bus when they couldn't even saturate 3 Gbps SATA. They're probably just doing it because they'll save some money using the same parts across all their drives.
I dunno, to me DT is clearly right-wing, with some center every now and then.
The readers, on the other hand, seem to be predominantly far right or extremist right, with the exception of some voice of protest sprinkled in between.
Good example would be to look up their coverage on the Norway gunner, the posts there are quite disturbing, some even sounding like the gunman involved in the massacre.
DT not dominated by "left" stupidity or "right" stupidity. It's just plain stupidity that rules the day, from most of the article posters (who's "references" are only other DT articles, not primary external sources) and the mass of idiots fanboying their favorite phone/operating system/open source software/whatever.
And yeah, Anandtech loses credibility because it profits by pandering to the idiots on DT. Anand himself knows very well that DT is a cesspool no better than the National Enquirer, but nothing is done to clean it up. Dollars talk, I guess.
I hope that's the plan. I don't mind that Dailytech is politically charged, it's news, it's going to be, even if it's tech news. My problem with Dailytech is the bias as fact way they present a lot of things (Oh, it's okay because they tagged this one "blog" even though it acts as if it's news).
When I think of AnandTech I think of unbaised analysis that covers both sides. AnandTech also has a standard of quality, as if someone actually read over the work after it was done. Dailytech happens to cover my interests, computer, military, medical, energy and emerging tech fields, if the writing wasn't such garbage it'd be great. If AnandTech is going to start reporting news in those fields, I'm there.
I used to read DailyTech but stopped a long time ago. I don't really want Anandtech spamming my RSS feeds with short news blurbs, I already have enough blog sites doing that.
I have a lot of faith in Anandtech, I'm sure they'll separate the feeds if that's what makes sense, but they're just starting the service so they're probably working out the kinks.
They don't, but it's a buzzword that will get more sales. There's a guy here at work who insisted on 6Gb SATA for his hard drive because he didn't understand that it makes no difference for anything under a third-gen SSD.
Most liekly this is actually a cost-cutting measure, using the same controller across their entire line-up likely reduces costs slightly.
It won't exactly hurt the drive having a faster interface, also maybe there are a few scenarios where it bursts past 3Gbits. Also lets not forget marketing:).
SATA6Gbps also has a few other features besides bandwidth, like improved NCQ and power management. The NCQ improvement will likely help with latency, a worthwhile improvement on its own.
Plug a Gen3 HDD into a Gen2 port and run some benchmarks. Then plug that same drive into a Gen3 port. The Gen3 port scores will be higher. Gen3 is more efficient. There's more to it than bandwidth. With PCMark Vantage, I see about 10% higher scores when a Gen3 HDD is used with a Gen3 controller.
Some people argue that benchmarks aren't true indicators of real world performance and that might be true for typical users, but the point is that the benchmarks do show an increase in performance when you utilize the newer technology.
Of the Momentus XT. Seriously, why haven't those drives caught on more when it got such favorable reviews? A drive like the Velociraptor with a flash cache would be awesome.
I can't claim to know the sales figures, but it seemed rather popular among enthusiasts who couldn't afford an all out SSD (or only had one drive bay so they couldn't use a smaller SSD+bigger HDD, a la laptop).
Enthusiasts are a small fraction of the market. The fact that increased platter densities would have allowed 640 and 750GB models to be released, but they haven't been speaks for itself.
Cause they under performed. A WD scorpio with no flash beat it in throughput, response time and IO. I saw it as the ONLY way Seagate could even continue to compete with Samsung and WD in the 2.5" form factor at the time.
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antef - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
Why are all these "pipeline" posts showing up in the RSS feed all of a sudden. It used to only show front page articles.ImSpartacus - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
I bet Anandtech wants to get a decent daily news thing going so they can let go of the politically charged Dailytech.StickyIcky - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
God I really hope so.Wolfpup - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
Yeah, isn't it always right wing wackiness, that seems to not fit with...well, tech or Anandtech or anything, really.At any rate, I like knowing about stuff like this. I mean what tech person isn't interested in developments like this, even if they personally aren't interested?
I do have to sort of wonder what the point of faster SATA is on these though beyond marketing...can these actually saturate the bus? I doubt it save for transfers from the cache.
Hey, my Momentus XT has a 32MB cache too :) (Mobile version)
johnsonx - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
right wing wackiness? how do you get that from dailytech? politically, dailytech is left wing drivel.Solandri - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
The articles tend towards left-wing. The comments tend towards right-wing.And yeah, I don't see much point of putting these on a 6 Gbps bus when they couldn't even saturate 3 Gbps SATA. They're probably just doing it because they'll save some money using the same parts across all their drives.
Wierdo - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
I dunno, to me DT is clearly right-wing, with some center every now and then.The readers, on the other hand, seem to be predominantly far right or extremist right, with the exception of some voice of protest sprinkled in between.
Good example would be to look up their coverage on the Norway gunner, the posts there are quite disturbing, some even sounding like the gunman involved in the massacre.
Spazweasel - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
DT not dominated by "left" stupidity or "right" stupidity. It's just plain stupidity that rules the day, from most of the article posters (who's "references" are only other DT articles, not primary external sources) and the mass of idiots fanboying their favorite phone/operating system/open source software/whatever.And yeah, Anandtech loses credibility because it profits by pandering to the idiots on DT. Anand himself knows very well that DT is a cesspool no better than the National Enquirer, but nothing is done to clean it up. Dollars talk, I guess.
rangerdavid - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
I wholeheartedly agree. I've always wondered why Anandtech would continue to partner with them. There have to be better.Also, I'd love to see the spec's on these. Does anyone post, say sequential read/write speeds vs. cost/per/gig? That would be interesting.
DanNeely - Friday, July 29, 2011 - link
Probably inertia. DT started when an Anandtech writer left so he could write about rumors instead of being bound by the NDAs that AT had signed.GuinnessKMF - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
I hope that's the plan. I don't mind that Dailytech is politically charged, it's news, it's going to be, even if it's tech news. My problem with Dailytech is the bias as fact way they present a lot of things (Oh, it's okay because they tagged this one "blog" even though it acts as if it's news).When I think of AnandTech I think of unbaised analysis that covers both sides. AnandTech also has a standard of quality, as if someone actually read over the work after it was done. Dailytech happens to cover my interests, computer, military, medical, energy and emerging tech fields, if the writing wasn't such garbage it'd be great. If AnandTech is going to start reporting news in those fields, I'm there.
ImSpartacus - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
It's mostly the headlines that get me. It's like the writers are just asking for someone to question their credibility.And that rated comment system breeds elitism and harsh interaction.
sc3252 - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
No joke, I hate ratting systems for comments. I only think someone should have +1, no negatives(unless they are a troll, which should just be banned).antef - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
I used to read DailyTech but stopped a long time ago. I don't really want Anandtech spamming my RSS feeds with short news blurbs, I already have enough blog sites doing that.GuinnessKMF - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
I have a lot of faith in Anandtech, I'm sure they'll separate the feeds if that's what makes sense, but they're just starting the service so they're probably working out the kinks.banthracis - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
Back on topic, why exactly do these drives needs SATA III? It's not like they were saturating SATA II bandwidth to begin with...fredgiblet - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
They don't, but it's a buzzword that will get more sales. There's a guy here at work who insisted on 6Gb SATA for his hard drive because he didn't understand that it makes no difference for anything under a third-gen SSD.Most liekly this is actually a cost-cutting measure, using the same controller across their entire line-up likely reduces costs slightly.
johnsonx - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
it's a check-box feature. if you don't have 6gbps sata, then you can't check that box.sc3252 - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
It won't exactly hurt the drive having a faster interface, also maybe there are a few scenarios where it bursts past 3Gbits. Also lets not forget marketing:).KITH - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
Potential performance increase for data off the cache only.jordanclock - Thursday, July 28, 2011 - link
SATA6Gbps also has a few other features besides bandwidth, like improved NCQ and power management. The NCQ improvement will likely help with latency, a worthwhile improvement on its own.cbass64 - Friday, July 29, 2011 - link
Plug a Gen3 HDD into a Gen2 port and run some benchmarks. Then plug that same drive into a Gen3 port. The Gen3 port scores will be higher. Gen3 is more efficient. There's more to it than bandwidth. With PCMark Vantage, I see about 10% higher scores when a Gen3 HDD is used with a Gen3 controller.Some people argue that benchmarks aren't true indicators of real world performance and that might be true for typical users, but the point is that the benchmarks do show an increase in performance when you utilize the newer technology.
tipoo - Friday, July 29, 2011 - link
Of the Momentus XT. Seriously, why haven't those drives caught on more when it got such favorable reviews? A drive like the Velociraptor with a flash cache would be awesome.DanNeely - Friday, July 29, 2011 - link
Because it was enough more expensive almost noone bought it.tipoo - Saturday, July 30, 2011 - link
I can't claim to know the sales figures, but it seemed rather popular among enthusiasts who couldn't afford an all out SSD (or only had one drive bay so they couldn't use a smaller SSD+bigger HDD, a la laptop).DanNeely - Saturday, July 30, 2011 - link
Enthusiasts are a small fraction of the market. The fact that increased platter densities would have allowed 640 and 750GB models to be released, but they haven't been speaks for itself.Camacho - Sunday, July 31, 2011 - link
Cause they under performed. A WD scorpio with no flash beat it in throughput, response time and IO. I saw it as the ONLY way Seagate could even continue to compete with Samsung and WD in the 2.5" form factor at the time.vision33r - Sunday, July 31, 2011 - link
Show me a spindle drive setup that can break 400MB/s.