I don't have quality issues with ECS boards. They're nice, basic ones. I actually quite like them: the lack of overclocking options prevents us from goofing with them. I had several issues with Asus boards.
Yeah I dont have problem with ECS either. Asrock on the other hand . . .
Most of the people I repair systems for just want to cheap out, and in a lot of cases ECS has the least expensive boards around. Never had a problem with ESC like stability issues, or DoA boards. Like what can happened fro mthe two "A" company brands often enough for me to never put one of those boards in a personal system.
MSI also often has very reliable boards.
One more thing I have to mention. Is that "top performing" motherboards means very little, if that performance gap is tiny. Which is usually the case. 5-10% performance gap is only noticeable if you're bench marking. And, if that 5-10% performance gap means using an unreliable motherboard. That performance gaps means *nothing*.
My definition of reliable means that a system, with all it's components will run indefinitely without any issues pertaining to the hardware. That means, if the system soft resets, blue screens, etc EVER. That is what I consider unreliable. Many Asrock boards used to classify in this category. I could care less what features they have, how cheap the cost, and how well they perform.
ECS, if you're paying attention to the comments here. Keep up the good work, and please continue to give us a decently reliable product for a fair price.
Omg I laughed so hard.. I have to agree, I've never had a good experience with ECS products. Supposedly they have improved, but it will be long while before I buy another ECS motherboard.
K7S5A was the best motherboard I've ever owned, and it has a SIS 735 chipset.
The fact that ECS was able to extract that level of performance and stability from the 735 is remarkable. That was 10 years ago, too. It was even compatible with my fiberchannel Adaptec SCSI controller...which had boot problems in the Intel Intel 815e board I later put it in.
I have had good success with ECS motherboard builds too. They are reliable and don't have an excess of bullshit extras when you are building something simple and inexpensive, and easy to troubleshoot for friends and family who aren't enthusiasts.
I think Ian criticized ECS fairly harshly considering how succesful they have been in an incredibly competitive market. It was a good article though and what a treat it would be to have a free tour of their Taipei offices.
I don't think a logo that changes color is a gimmick. I think it is kinda cool, and I thought I was the curmudgeon...
I've had two ECS motherboards. One of them, a really old RS-482M-754 is still in use. I didn't have problems with either of them. I don't know about the second board because I gave the system to someone I don't speak to anymore. But, the last time we did speak, which was several years after he had had the system, he said it worked fine.
I'm with SHUD BE on this one. I'm not giving ECS another dime until people I know have received good products from them. The last few mobos I had from them were absolutely rubbish and their support was the pits. My friend who runs IT at the local university newspaper had similar experiences, and most of the hardware sites seem to need to be invited to these tours in order for any decent pr to be had. I'll stick with ASUS thanks.
I bought an ECS video card, which promptly crapped out within the 3 year warranty period. Their customer support is a joke. I was directed to a broken RMA website. They never fixed nor replaced it. I would never spend another dime on the ECS brand.
Honestly, if ECS or any other motherboard/graphics card company wants more sales, what they need to do is to offer reliable products and stellar customer service. Bad service and poor word of mouth is what's killing these companies. If I hear about some revolutionary technology coming out from them, I would just read it and say, "Oh that's interesting." But if they want my money, I need to hear about awesome service.
The guy with the 13" MBP is a sales/marketing person, as you can see he's tweaking a logo and specs page.
The computer doing the power routing is an Acer-branded desktop, hooked up to a Phillips 5:4 display. I'd have to agree, that monitor looks like either a 17" or 19", probably topping at 1280x1024.
My experience with ECS was been a mixed bag, but very limited. Some products where just fine nothing special but get the job done, others where complete failures. I've never dealt with their support or rma so I can't comment on that. The one thing I notice over and over is they love to stack their boards with legacy I/O. I haven't used a serial or parallel port in years and I don't plan on it either. I avoid any motherboard that has either port on it's rear panel. As a rule I want 6+ USB ports right on that I/O shield. Motherboard headers for another 4 to 6 are required too. The more USB ports the better. eSata is a nice addition too. While they are at it let's scrap the PCI connectors too. It's time to let PCI die. Firewire is neither a pro nor a con. Personally I want to see PS/2, parallel, serial, PATA, floppy and PCI all just go away for good. Time to move on.
Oh and how about making sure every usb port has enough juice to supply the standard 500mA or more and while they are at it, notebooks need more usb ports, 4 should be the absolute minimum. 6 or more would be nice.
For the near future at least, motherboards should retain at least one PCI slot. There are many perfectly good PCI audio and NIC cards that don't need replacement.
To the writer of the article, you spelled realize incorrectly. Realise is not correct. I am tired of reading information from credible sites with misspellings that a high-school student should never even make. Could somebody please start writing professionally.
IMO they know how to make excellent products but more often than not they follow up with terminally stupid decisions like not releasing an updated mobo BIOS for easily fixed problems and not even releasing a highly attractive product to some regions (*cough* Acer 3820TG US availability *cough*)
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I have also had good experiences with ECS boards. The only thing I can complain about is their northbridge/southbridge chips run unsually hot on their Black Series boards.
Buying mobos from reputable companies does mean you are less likely to get problems but is does mean you are immune to problems.
I even have a Jetway LGA775 board running a E5200 @ 3.4Ghz (factory clock is 2.5Ghz) at the max "safe" volts of 1.3625v for 2 years solid. A few weeks ago windows started reporting intermittent errors on one of the cores. I say that is pretty decent showing from what is definitely a budget board.
Point is it is always a gamble with varying odds. You takes your chances and pays your school fees.
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jigglywiggly - Saturday, June 11, 2011 - link
Here is our troll center where we ship defective products to consumers.StormyParis - Saturday, June 11, 2011 - link
I don't have quality issues with ECS boards. They're nice, basic ones. I actually quite like them: the lack of overclocking options prevents us from goofing with them. I had several issues with Asus boards.yyrkoon - Sunday, June 12, 2011 - link
Yeah I dont have problem with ECS either. Asrock on the other hand . . .Most of the people I repair systems for just want to cheap out, and in a lot of cases ECS has the least expensive boards around. Never had a problem with ESC like stability issues, or DoA boards. Like what can happened fro mthe two "A" company brands often enough for me to never put one of those boards in a personal system.
MSI also often has very reliable boards.
One more thing I have to mention. Is that "top performing" motherboards means very little, if that performance gap is tiny. Which is usually the case. 5-10% performance gap is only noticeable if you're bench marking. And, if that 5-10% performance gap means using an unreliable motherboard. That performance gaps means *nothing*.
My definition of reliable means that a system, with all it's components will run indefinitely without any issues pertaining to the hardware. That means, if the system soft resets, blue screens, etc EVER. That is what I consider unreliable. Many Asrock boards used to classify in this category. I could care less what features they have, how cheap the cost, and how well they perform.
ECS, if you're paying attention to the comments here. Keep up the good work, and please continue to give us a decently reliable product for a fair price.
Kim Leo - Saturday, June 11, 2011 - link
Omg I laughed so hard.. I have to agree, I've never had a good experience with ECS products. Supposedly they have improved, but it will be long while before I buy another ECS motherboard.Samus - Monday, June 13, 2011 - link
K7S5A was the best motherboard I've ever owned, and it has a SIS 735 chipset.The fact that ECS was able to extract that level of performance and stability from the 735 is remarkable. That was 10 years ago, too. It was even compatible with my fiberchannel Adaptec SCSI controller...which had boot problems in the Intel Intel 815e board I later put it in.
AssBall - Monday, June 13, 2011 - link
I have had good success with ECS motherboard builds too. They are reliable and don't have an excess of bullshit extras when you are building something simple and inexpensive, and easy to troubleshoot for friends and family who aren't enthusiasts.I think Ian criticized ECS fairly harshly considering how succesful they have been in an incredibly competitive market. It was a good article though and what a treat it would be to have a free tour of their Taipei offices.
I don't think a logo that changes color is a gimmick. I think it is kinda cool, and I thought I was the curmudgeon...
Oxford Guy - Sunday, June 12, 2011 - link
I've had two ECS motherboards. One of them, a really old RS-482M-754 is still in use. I didn't have problems with either of them. I don't know about the second board because I gave the system to someone I don't speak to anymore. But, the last time we did speak, which was several years after he had had the system, he said it worked fine.Just don't try to overclock them!
ChadnSteff - Saturday, June 11, 2011 - link
I'm with SHUD BE on this one. I'm not giving ECS another dime until people I know have received good products from them. The last few mobos I had from them were absolutely rubbish and their support was the pits. My friend who runs IT at the local university newspaper had similar experiences, and most of the hardware sites seem to need to be invited to these tours in order for any decent pr to be had. I'll stick with ASUS thanks.havoti97 - Saturday, June 11, 2011 - link
I bought an ECS video card, which promptly crapped out within the 3 year warranty period. Their customer support is a joke. I was directed to a broken RMA website. They never fixed nor replaced it. I would never spend another dime on the ECS brand.TemjinGold - Saturday, June 11, 2011 - link
Honestly, if ECS or any other motherboard/graphics card company wants more sales, what they need to do is to offer reliable products and stellar customer service. Bad service and poor word of mouth is what's killing these companies. If I hear about some revolutionary technology coming out from them, I would just read it and say, "Oh that's interesting." But if they want my money, I need to hear about awesome service.wwswimming - Saturday, June 11, 2011 - link
Right there in the picture - you can see what ECS can do to improve their process (trying to state this diplomatically).Do layout of a 15 to 20 layer board with multiple power & ground planes, about 6 mil traces & 6 mil spaces - ON A 17" or 15" monitor ?
THAT'S NUTS.
It's possible the photo is deceptive. Maybe that's a 24" Samsung, or equivalent.
It don't matter. You need a big monitor to do that kind of layout.
It's a testament to the work ethic of ECS engineering staff that they can crank out anything that works - under these conditions.
Maybe Anandtech can take up a Bake Sale type drive to buy decent monitors for ECS staff. They deserve it !
FragKrag - Sunday, June 12, 2011 - link
If you look closely you see a 13" MBP you can use for reference.Definitely not 15" or 17" panels.
LordanSS - Sunday, June 12, 2011 - link
The guy with the 13" MBP is a sales/marketing person, as you can see he's tweaking a logo and specs page.The computer doing the power routing is an Acer-branded desktop, hooked up to a Phillips 5:4 display. I'd have to agree, that monitor looks like either a 17" or 19", probably topping at 1280x1024.
Einy0 - Saturday, June 11, 2011 - link
My experience with ECS was been a mixed bag, but very limited. Some products where just fine nothing special but get the job done, others where complete failures. I've never dealt with their support or rma so I can't comment on that. The one thing I notice over and over is they love to stack their boards with legacy I/O. I haven't used a serial or parallel port in years and I don't plan on it either. I avoid any motherboard that has either port on it's rear panel. As a rule I want 6+ USB ports right on that I/O shield. Motherboard headers for another 4 to 6 are required too. The more USB ports the better. eSata is a nice addition too. While they are at it let's scrap the PCI connectors too. It's time to let PCI die. Firewire is neither a pro nor a con. Personally I want to see PS/2, parallel, serial, PATA, floppy and PCI all just go away for good. Time to move on.Oh and how about making sure every usb port has enough juice to supply the standard 500mA or more and while they are at it, notebooks need more usb ports, 4 should be the absolute minimum. 6 or more would be nice.
Rant complete...
Chillin1248 - Saturday, June 11, 2011 - link
For the near future at least, motherboards should retain at least one PCI slot. There are many perfectly good PCI audio and NIC cards that don't need replacement.Etern205 - Saturday, June 11, 2011 - link
ACER desktop?!Traitor! :P
mdloops - Saturday, June 11, 2011 - link
To the writer of the article, you spelled realize incorrectly. Realise is not correct. I am tired of reading information from credible sites with misspellings that a high-school student should never even make. Could somebody please start writing professionally.JarredWalton - Saturday, June 11, 2011 - link
FYI, Ian lives in the UK, which should be pretty obvious by several other "misspellings".chubbyfatazn - Sunday, June 12, 2011 - link
How ignorant are you? Not everyone who reads this site lives, or was raised in, the US.AssBall - Monday, June 13, 2011 - link
Your tired of reading them but apparently not tired of complaining about them. Go away, kkthx.StrangerGuy - Sunday, June 12, 2011 - link
IMO they know how to make excellent products but more often than not they follow up with terminally stupid decisions like not releasing an updated mobo BIOS for easily fixed problems and not even releasing a highly attractive product to some regions (*cough* Acer 3820TG US availability *cough*)zhongkko - Sunday, June 12, 2011 - link
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Veroxious - Wednesday, June 15, 2011 - link
I have also had good experiences with ECS boards. The only thing I can complain about is their northbridge/southbridge chips run unsually hot on their Black Series boards.Buying mobos from reputable companies does mean you are less likely to get problems but is does mean you are immune to problems.
I even have a Jetway LGA775 board running a E5200 @ 3.4Ghz (factory clock is 2.5Ghz) at the max "safe" volts of 1.3625v for 2 years solid. A few weeks ago windows started reporting intermittent errors on one of the cores. I say that is pretty decent showing from what is definitely a budget board.
Point is it is always a gamble with varying odds. You takes your chances and pays your school fees.
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