If the machine is asleep, then I see no reason to process data (there's no user there to read or act on anything.) What's wrong with simply getting a data dump once when the machine comes back from sleep?
Keeping data up to date on a smartphone makes sense - you're pulling it out of your pocket for half a second to check things then put it back - but for a laptop I really don't get it. It sounds like clueless upper-manager nonsense; they're solving a problem that doesn't exist simply because the "cool" smartphone guys are doing the same thing.
If you relish the idea of the continuous client (a means of maintaining a consistent state across all platforms so that you can resume work on a document, chat and game session, for instance, on your laptop after walking away from your desktop) then this is a key component.
The continuous client is logical on the smartphone but for it to be productive it has to be usable across PC's as well, and this technology could make that a reality.
that are quite a lot of GB of data writes each day then.
I don't do hibernate on my Vertex 3 240GB because that would cause at least twice a day a write of 12GB or ram.... Thats a write of 24GB a day purely to do hibernation. Now i have 240GB SSD so in 10 days i would have written all the cells once, so yes for such a drive i could do that for quite a while. But i guess Intel talks about some special NAND thats the size of the memory? Wouldn't that wear out the cells very quickly?
If i just look at my usage through the OCZ toolbox smart data:
power on hours: almost 600 data written: 1060GB data read: 1600GB
so my write to read ration is already quite high. Doing hibernate every day, 2 times a day then my writes would even be bigger then my reads...
It could just be an SLC NAND module that's relatively small. 8GB of SLC just for hibernation wouldn't cost all that much to replace, and would last a lot longer than MLC. Plus, it wouldn't be storing data you give a shit about.
Cedar Trail also supports rapid start. Basically, diskless workstations (or media viewing stations) stink because it takes forever to boot. With rapid start, it looks like a 6 second boot time as long as the power does not go down. If you are just watching content streamed from a remote server and have reasonable memory, it looks like you can skip the cost of local storage?
As per intel Rapid Start promises 5-6s boot from zero power hibernate state, so it works even after power is removed. This means theoretically infinite battery life when pc is in this state, pretty cool!
Try taking battery out and then see how long it takes to resume. Your 5-6s resume is from sleep state and not hibernate. Standard win7 hibernate can take anywhere from 15 to 20s to resume even with fastest ssd. What intel is doing is something very special as no pc today can resume from zero power in 5s.
Some folks buy ssd's for rapid boot. Now Intel uniquely delivers all the rapid boot performance benefits of a ssd but calls it resume from hibernate and gives it away free starting with its cheapest line. A perceived fast boot is different from a ssd, but still an attractive feature. Isn't that a lot of unique functional content for a marketing term?
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coburn_c - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - link
sounds like a re purpose of the Intel AMT tech, bringing hardware back-doors to the mainstream ey intelGeorgeH - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - link
If the machine is asleep, then I see no reason to process data (there's no user there to read or act on anything.) What's wrong with simply getting a data dump once when the machine comes back from sleep?Keeping data up to date on a smartphone makes sense - you're pulling it out of your pocket for half a second to check things then put it back - but for a laptop I really don't get it. It sounds like clueless upper-manager nonsense; they're solving a problem that doesn't exist simply because the "cool" smartphone guys are doing the same thing.
JasonInofuentes - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - link
If you relish the idea of the continuous client (a means of maintaining a consistent state across all platforms so that you can resume work on a document, chat and game session, for instance, on your laptop after walking away from your desktop) then this is a key component.The continuous client is logical on the smartphone but for it to be productive it has to be usable across PC's as well, and this technology could make that a reality.
jcompagner - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - link
that are quite a lot of GB of data writes each day then.I don't do hibernate on my Vertex 3 240GB because that would cause at least twice a day a write of 12GB or ram.... Thats a write of 24GB a day purely to do hibernation. Now i have 240GB SSD so in 10 days i would have written all the cells once, so yes for such a drive i could do that for quite a while. But i guess Intel talks about some special NAND thats the size of the memory? Wouldn't that wear out the cells very quickly?
If i just look at my usage through the OCZ toolbox smart data:
power on hours: almost 600
data written: 1060GB
data read: 1600GB
so my write to read ration is already quite high. Doing hibernate every day, 2 times a day then my writes would even be bigger then my reads...
piroroadkill - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - link
It could just be an SLC NAND module that's relatively small. 8GB of SLC just for hibernation wouldn't cost all that much to replace, and would last a lot longer than MLC. Plus, it wouldn't be storing data you give a shit about.camylarde - Thursday, June 2, 2011 - link
Umm, every bit that you write during hibernation will get read again next time? Your writes will stay in proportion to the reads.kanabalize - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - link
But still no <20 second boot time??How to achieve this?
MrCromulent - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - link
Hm? I've got 19s boot time to Windows with my cheap Sandforce SSD and my cheap AMD Athlon X4 right now...Yota999 - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - link
You don't need to boot a system if you have a fast way to hibernate.Yota999 - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - link
Who cares about boot when you can resume in 5s from a zero power state?StormyParis - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - link
I don't know how many users leave their machine half-on. I tend to work in bursts, I don't care if my machine polls while asleep, it's not a phone.ssj4Gogeta - Wednesday, June 1, 2011 - link
Exactly, I don't see a need for this either.dealcorn - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - link
Cedar Trail also supports rapid start. Basically, diskless workstations (or media viewing stations) stink because it takes forever to boot. With rapid start, it looks like a 6 second boot time as long as the power does not go down. If you are just watching content streamed from a remote server and have reasonable memory, it looks like you can skip the cost of local storage?Yota999 - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - link
As per intel Rapid Start promises 5-6s boot from zero power hibernate state, so it works even after power is removed. This means theoretically infinite battery life when pc is in this state, pretty cool!stephenbrooks - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - link
My netbook can already resume in 5-6 seconds from a zero-power hibernate, by saving RAM to the hard disk. Can't they make it a bit faster?Yota999 - Tuesday, May 31, 2011 - link
Try taking battery out and then see how long it takes to resume. Your 5-6s resume is from sleep state and not hibernate. Standard win7 hibernate can take anywhere from 15 to 20s to resume even with fastest ssd. What intel is doing is something very special as no pc today can resume from zero power in 5s.dealcorn - Thursday, June 2, 2011 - link
Some folks buy ssd's for rapid boot. Now Intel uniquely delivers all the rapid boot performance benefits of a ssd but calls it resume from hibernate and gives it away free starting with its cheapest line. A perceived fast boot is different from a ssd, but still an attractive feature. Isn't that a lot of unique functional content for a marketing term?astrojny - Saturday, May 5, 2012 - link
the new raptor 1tb HHD with rapid start technology and a 64gb SSD. Could do it for around $400 and get a really fast drive, no?