"The strengths really start to show when going over 300ft or more. Here, the QoS provided by the unit has to be seen to be believed."
What has distance to do with QoS?
"The show stealer for Netgear was obviously the WNDR3800 model with dual band GbE using a 680 MHz MIPS processor at its heart."
The formulation "dual GbE" seems strange.The WNDR3800 features a single GbE WAN port and four Gbe LAN ports. It also functions as a simultaneous dual band wireless router.
At longer distances signals are weaker and more error prone. QoS is much more important in that environment than within the same room where the SNR is an order of magnitude better.
"What has distance to do with QoS?" - There are propagation problems that occur with any signal. Distance and other factors heighten these problems, which decrease the QoS (quality of service).
- My issue is that I'm in a 1 bedroom apt where everyone seems to be using wireless - this also causes signal interruptions and I'm thinking of getting a Wireless-A router to see if it helps. I have a DLink DIR-655 802.11N that worked pretty good at first, but has since started having problems (part of which may be due to an old cable modem).
"The formulation "dual GbE" seems strange.The WNDR3800 features a single GbE WAN port and four Gbe LAN ports. It also functions as a simultaneous dual band wireless router. "
- I originally didn't understand what you were saying, now I see. Yes, his wording was a little confusing. It's dual-band wireless and has gigabit ethernet.
/begin rant Currently I own a WNDR3700 router (with probably the same 680 MHz CPU) and although highly impressed by the pure wireless performance, the QoS as typically understood in managing latency was horrific when trying to deal VOIP/gaming with other users were streaming video/downloading/p2p.
For example my Ventrilo latency was 15 ms with old D-Link gaming router (DGL-4300), but jumped to 30 ms idle. With P2P/streaming video on another user's computer and QoS turned on to prioritize traffic to my specific Ethernet port on the router, the ping still jumped to 80 ms. Occasionally it would even spike to 300-3000 ms! This was with QoS enabled and all the settings configured the best I could (being a former Tier 3 network technician at my University campus for I'd say I gave it a good shot....). I would say Netgear's QoS implementation is more less useless in its current form for its old routers.
Switching to DD-WRT significantly improved my QoS to useable ranges (dropped my Ventrilo ping back to normal 15 ms without no load....and 30-50 with P2P/video streaming). However the wireless performance is now crap meaning there was no point to even switch from my old D-Link router.
It's nice to see Netgear looking to improve relations with consumers by using the AVS Forum. There is a thriving HTPC population on there that I'm sure will have great ideas for the Netgear devs.
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jasperjones - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
"The strengths really start to show when going over 300ft or more. Here, the QoS provided by the unit has to be seen to be believed."What has distance to do with QoS?
"The show stealer for Netgear was obviously the WNDR3800 model with dual band GbE using a 680 MHz MIPS processor at its heart."
The formulation "dual GbE" seems strange.The WNDR3800 features a single GbE WAN port and four Gbe LAN ports. It also functions as a simultaneous dual band wireless router.
DanNeely - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
At longer distances signals are weaker and more error prone. QoS is much more important in that environment than within the same room where the SNR is an order of magnitude better.vol7ron - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
"What has distance to do with QoS?"- There are propagation problems that occur with any signal. Distance and other factors heighten these problems, which decrease the QoS (quality of service).
- My issue is that I'm in a 1 bedroom apt where everyone seems to be using wireless - this also causes signal interruptions and I'm thinking of getting a Wireless-A router to see if it helps. I have a DLink DIR-655 802.11N that worked pretty good at first, but has since started having problems (part of which may be due to an old cable modem).
"The formulation "dual GbE" seems strange.The WNDR3800 features a single GbE WAN port and four Gbe LAN ports. It also functions as a simultaneous dual band wireless router. "
- I originally didn't understand what you were saying, now I see. Yes, his wording was a little confusing. It's dual-band wireless and has gigabit ethernet.
Jedi2155 - Saturday, January 8, 2011 - link
/begin rantCurrently I own a WNDR3700 router (with probably the same 680 MHz CPU) and although highly impressed by the pure wireless performance, the QoS as typically understood in managing latency was horrific when trying to deal VOIP/gaming with other users were streaming video/downloading/p2p.
For example my Ventrilo latency was 15 ms with old D-Link gaming router (DGL-4300), but jumped to 30 ms idle. With P2P/streaming video on another user's computer and QoS turned on to prioritize traffic to my specific Ethernet port on the router, the ping still jumped to 80 ms. Occasionally it would even spike to 300-3000 ms! This was with QoS enabled and all the settings configured the best I could (being a former Tier 3 network technician at my University campus for I'd say I gave it a good shot....). I would say Netgear's QoS implementation is more less useless in its current form for its old routers.
Switching to DD-WRT significantly improved my QoS to useable ranges (dropped my Ventrilo ping back to normal 15 ms without no load....and 30-50 with P2P/video streaming). However the wireless performance is now crap meaning there was no point to even switch from my old D-Link router.
Oy.....
/end rant
Spivonious - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
It's nice to see Netgear looking to improve relations with consumers by using the AVS Forum. There is a thriving HTPC population on there that I'm sure will have great ideas for the Netgear devs.