I noticed in the reviews that the WP7 web browser did alot worse on benchmarks than Android, iOS, and even the BB Torch web browser. Is that also improved?
I updated the article a minute or so after posting to include some information about that - according to Microsoft the browser will not see any performance improvements.
I definitely would like to see some JavaScript and general page load/performance improvements as well. Translation/panning around is speedy, but WP7 is indeed at the bottom on those tests.
I lost track of where I saw it among the 10 billion CES articles I've read this week; but an IE9 based browser for WP7 is in the works and will be part of the first major update (vs smaller ones like the forthcoming copy/paste CDMA one). Unfortunately MS didn't give a date for it, possibly because IE9 desktop is still in work.
Just saw a video of you - the Sandy Bridge Interview - and ... dude, you're bald.... what happened? I remember that a few years ago you had hair.... Man that must suck. Anyway, great site, keep up the good work and grow some hair!
And there's one more thing - Steve Ballmer proves that not every bald man is genius :P
BTW: I'm tired of this poor guy, which couldn't even provide us entertaining keynote. He should be retried long time ago.
Steve Ballmer, I have forvarf for you: Get out of scene monkey boy, there are talented people which could help to drive M$ from mobile knees. Show your mercy to M$ - get lost ;)))
I noticed in another site about this that they did not mention sales to customers. They talked about sales to carriers, but not how many of those handsets had been purchased by customers. To me the fact that you can buy one and get one free gives people the idea that the phone is a cheap, not so exclusive phone.
Speed bumps and features additions are always a nice thing to have, although it makes me wonder why Copy and Paste wasn't available on launch, since they just launched what, three months ago?
and unexposed APIs is undoubtedly the reason for the performance issues. Since the DOJ decided to not bother addressing the monopoly issue EVEN AFTER THEY HAD WON (undoubtedly due to an agreement that Microsoft would provide them back doors into their software), ANYBODY but Microsoft has been continually screwed by not having access to the unexposed APIs. Be sure to thank your fine friends in "Law Enforcement" for what they have done to this country. All to be able to violate the 4th Amendment. May they rot where they belong for what they have done.
They had all that in 6.5 (and to a better degree than Android, iOS, et al) but the masses still wet their pants and whinged because it wasn't a hand-holding shiny OS like iOS. So bam, they set their sights on the reigning champ, iOS. They're gonna add in features as needed, but non-market apps on LOCKED phones, no way.
I don't have a WP7 so the simple speedup numbers aren't particularly informative. For example, is the Bejeweled load time improving from 17s to 0.1s, from 116.9s to 100s, or somewhere in between? I assume it's the 3rd, but exactly how much of an improvement 16.9s is really depends on the absolute number, not just the difference between them.
"As long as "couple of months" turns out to be under two or three, that's probably fine, but much more would really seem excessive. "
That seems to be what they were saying. They seemed to be specific in the distinction between "couple of months" and "first half 2011", which I took to mean couple of months in 1Q2011 and first half of 2011 in 2Q2011.
While I'm happy to hear that WP7 will have improved 3rd party load times, to me the biggest issue is how 3rd party apps seem to have inferior graphics performance compared to the built-in apps. Take the Facebook app, or the IMDB app for example... scrolling is really slow and unresponsive.
Do you know if this has been worked on in the upcoming release?
I've been using an HTC Touch Pro 2 on Sprint for a while now and have been waiting for the HTC 7 Pro (may as well be the Touch Pro 3) for a while. The new HTC Evo with the sliding keyboard comes out in a couple days and I may jump to the Android platform...
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tipoo - Thursday, January 6, 2011 - link
I noticed in the reviews that the WP7 web browser did alot worse on benchmarks than Android, iOS, and even the BB Torch web browser. Is that also improved?Brian Klug - Thursday, January 6, 2011 - link
I updated the article a minute or so after posting to include some information about that - according to Microsoft the browser will not see any performance improvements.I definitely would like to see some JavaScript and general page load/performance improvements as well. Translation/panning around is speedy, but WP7 is indeed at the bottom on those tests.
-Brian
DanNeely - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
I lost track of where I saw it among the 10 billion CES articles I've read this week; but an IE9 based browser for WP7 is in the works and will be part of the first major update (vs smaller ones like the forthcoming copy/paste CDMA one). Unfortunately MS didn't give a date for it, possibly because IE9 desktop is still in work.day2die - Monday, January 10, 2011 - link
Windows Phone 7 browser is a lot faster than BlackBerry Torch's and only a hair slower than iPhone 4 browser and Android browser.Windows Phone 7 browser is quite speedy on a daily basis and I wouldn't base it solely on benchmark.
WP7 has very smooth pinch to zoom (superior to Android's) and doesn't do checkerboarding (superior to iOS).
Drace - Thursday, January 6, 2011 - link
I have noticed the prices on their devices dropping dramatically, was there any mention of any new phone such as a wp7 version of the fusion?wolfman3k5 - Thursday, January 6, 2011 - link
Just saw a video of you - the Sandy Bridge Interview - and ... dude, you're bald.... what happened? I remember that a few years ago you had hair.... Man that must suck. Anyway, great site, keep up the good work and grow some hair!Stuka87 - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
That was Anand that did that interview. Brian made this post.wolfman3k5 - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
I know, but he still needs to grow some hair. A real pitta. I've read somewhere that geniuses and near-geniuses loose their hair.Stuka87 - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
Well that can't be right, I have not lost any hair :Pmax - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
But don't worry young man. You have time to loose some hair, just work hard with your mind ;)DanNeely - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
Einstein kept his full head of hair to his grave. I think that makes it clear if geniuses go bald or not. :Pmax - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
And there's one more thing - Steve Ballmer proves that not every bald man is genius :PBTW: I'm tired of this poor guy, which couldn't even provide us entertaining keynote. He should be retried long time ago.
Steve Ballmer, I have forvarf for you: Get out of scene monkey boy, there are talented people which could help to drive M$ from mobile knees. Show your mercy to M$ - get lost ;)))
KarateBob - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
a Samsung Taylor running a build of WP7 versioned 7.0.753.0. For comparison, retail WP7 devices are running 7.0.7004.0The Builds went from 7004.0 down to 753.0?
Brian Klug - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
Oops, it's just a typo. Should be 7353 ;)Fixed!
-Brian
Stuka87 - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
I noticed in another site about this that they did not mention sales to customers. They talked about sales to carriers, but not how many of those handsets had been purchased by customers. To me the fact that you can buy one and get one free gives people the idea that the phone is a cheap, not so exclusive phone.Speed bumps and features additions are always a nice thing to have, although it makes me wonder why Copy and Paste wasn't available on launch, since they just launched what, three months ago?
day2die - Monday, January 10, 2011 - link
I guess it has to compete with Verizon doing a free high end Android phones (like Droid Incredible) on contract .mmatis - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
and unexposed APIs is undoubtedly the reason for the performance issues. Since the DOJ decided to not bother addressing the monopoly issue EVEN AFTER THEY HAD WON (undoubtedly due to an agreement that Microsoft would provide them back doors into their software), ANYBODY but Microsoft has been continually screwed by not having access to the unexposed APIs. Be sure to thank your fine friends in "Law Enforcement" for what they have done to this country. All to be able to violate the 4th Amendment. May they rot where they belong for what they have done.cappie2000 - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Windows Phone 7 is a bit too dated and just has poor performance?The race is between Android and iOS... WP7 feels like something from 2004; sorry Balmer, you FAILED
damianrobertjones - Monday, January 10, 2011 - link
No. We are currently using nine Win7 phones here at work, ranging from the HD7 to the HTC Trophy etc.None of the staff members have complained and THAT is a miracle. The phones are fast (Especially my HD7 compared to my older HD2)
day2die - Monday, January 10, 2011 - link
It might help if you've actually use one of these phones.CSMR - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
Multitasking.A proper file system with user access to user files.
Non-marketplace apps. (Already we have censorship of a NES emulator.)
Mr Perfect - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
Or tethering. How can you not have tethering?Alexvrb - Saturday, January 8, 2011 - link
They had all that in 6.5 (and to a better degree than Android, iOS, et al) but the masses still wet their pants and whinged because it wasn't a hand-holding shiny OS like iOS. So bam, they set their sights on the reigning champ, iOS. They're gonna add in features as needed, but non-market apps on LOCKED phones, no way.damianrobertjones - Monday, January 10, 2011 - link
Yep, damn shame. I couldn't see that much wrong with 6.5 at all (But then again, I'm glad that they made 7 as it's really, really good)tipoo - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
ThanksDanNeely - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
I don't have a WP7 so the simple speedup numbers aren't particularly informative. For example, is the Bejeweled load time improving from 17s to 0.1s, from 116.9s to 100s, or somewhere in between? I assume it's the 3rd, but exactly how much of an improvement 16.9s is really depends on the absolute number, not just the difference between them.vol7ron - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
"As long as "couple of months" turns out to be under two or three, that's probably fine, but much more would really seem excessive. "That seems to be what they were saying. They seemed to be specific in the distinction between "couple of months" and "first half 2011", which I took to mean couple of months in 1Q2011 and first half of 2011 in 2Q2011.
PubicTheHare - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
Look at this buried sentiment addressed to the Big Boss Man:"as an aside, I still feel like I got screwed since I have the only phone out of the three with no dialer codes or cool tethering hacks. ;)"
I would feel the same, sir!
Anand,
You read that? Or do I have to tweet it to get your attention? =P
MrPete123 - Friday, January 7, 2011 - link
While I'm happy to hear that WP7 will have improved 3rd party load times, to me the biggest issue is how 3rd party apps seem to have inferior graphics performance compared to the built-in apps. Take the Facebook app, or the IMDB app for example... scrolling is really slow and unresponsive.Do you know if this has been worked on in the upcoming release?
Thanks!
damianrobertjones - Monday, January 10, 2011 - link
It's a new platform so there you go. Things will improve.justinm - Saturday, January 8, 2011 - link
I've been using an HTC Touch Pro 2 on Sprint for a while now and have been waiting for the HTC 7 Pro (may as well be the Touch Pro 3) for a while. The new HTC Evo with the sliding keyboard comes out in a couple days and I may jump to the Android platform...