Back on topic. Did they give you a breakdown on power usage and what sort of power gating they'll have? Also, are we talking 32nm here? I'm not too up on my mobile SoC's and processes. Did you get anything more about Mirasol either?
I thought Imageon was like a Cut down version of Radeon specially made for Mobile. Much like what Nvidia has done to Tegra. And i always wonder how would AMD sold of its GPU to competitors.
We all know it is impossible to make a decent GPU without infringing on AMD / NV Patents. Did QualComm has an Cross Patents agreement with AMD as well?
Yet another reason I love this site.....Anand's outstanding taste in foot wear. I'd love to hear how he toned them down, just a sharpie? Sometimes I get annoyed at comments about my red ones :(
on topic: when will qualcomm drop to a 32nm process?
Pretty funny. I was doing the same until about 6months ago when I showed a coworker an article and she corrected me. :) One of the many consequences of text-reading.
there wouldn't be other news since Sandy Bridge.. SSD news seem all the same to me since they got to a point that they're too fast on a desktop. price drops would be news to me.
anyways, phone news still interest me even i'm not buying any soon.
You have it all wrong. It's tech. CPU architecture, GPU architecture, it's all interesting, regardless of the end device.
ARM is front and centre now, especially with Windows 8 being developed for it. If you don't want to read it, don't, but I would wager a lot of people find it interesting.
You want bigger screens, go back to the 90s and get a projector television. You want more x86 madness, go read up on the Sandy Bridge review (while you're at it, you should look at the (old and established) criticisms of x86 and it's architecture.
PC's have gotten stale. Mobile on the other hand is diverse enough to warrant inspections, and attention to new innovations.
I have been using windows mobile for _6 years_ now (3 htc's phones+4 symbian Nokia's). Windows mobile where chosen by my company because of Explorer-browser.
There is absolutly NOTHING new about these phones OR the app's they are putting them on. (Nokia n-gage have had the best gps+maps with Navicore software(used that 06-08).
Comparing Mobile's and PC, uh, let me know when youv upgraded that cpu and gpu on your mobile with little memory upgrade thrown in. AMD and Intel more active as ever. What is the break now that is holding our pc's back? I think game programmers just can't get all the performance out of hardware, there are many examples where cpu+gpu just doing idle process even though game's are putting low fps (whats need of this new powertune from amd? Furmark is the only thing that uses 100% gpu resources). Or are programmers just doing game's for masses, forgetting high-end. Remember the visions in 80's and 90's about the games we would be playing in 2011. Tron FFS? :)
If you think little about what you are reading on tech-sites its allmost all some feed from tech companies PR with little to none critics. I like Anandtech because its somewhat critical to PR-departments, even sometimes calling their Ace high's.
Just a rant, iv been reading theinq, mcgeek, fud and charlie way too long. Cheers up!
Very popular with celebrities, McConaughey and several others wore them to an awards show. They are meant to be running shoes and are supposed to be more natural, marketed as like running barefoot to your body without the risks to your feet. It's an interesting trend because a lot of people in the running world are arguing modern shoes are causing lots of health problems from back and knee injuries to tendon and muscle injuries, especially when you look at those Kenyan's that run marathons and win and they run the entire thing in sandals or barefoot. There is good evidence to support the idea because modern shoes completely change how you run, without shoes you run on the balls of your feet, with shoes you run on your heels and all that force and vibration is transfered up your legs into your spine, but barefoot a large percentage of the impact force is absorbed in the flexing of your foot.
No, 45nm is as small and power efficient as it gets when it comes to mobile chips. Even Intel doesn't have any advantage in fabrication process of SoCs because moorsetown is also a 45nm chip.
Perhaps, it will be usefull to write an article on the technologie on which is based all those phones. After, it will more evident to follow the developpement of these popular technologies. For me Blackberry, HTC all those phones come with a SoC from ARM, Qualcomm or Samsung with use RISC based desing and like pc world, phone have os like Google Android, Win CE (mobile 7) and Blackberry OS.
Holy Jebus I feel old, I still think of Anand as the kid who founded Anandtech-I'm the same age and I remember wanting to do the same thing back then, if only to get my hands on some of the latest hardware. Now my hair's thinning too. *sigh*
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Trisagion - Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - link
Love the shoes! Anand, make sure you stand really close to someone and when they step on your feet, to start howling in fake pain ;DQualcomm looks like they are more than up to the task of taking on nVidia. Can't wait to see these SoCs in some real phones.
Jedi2155 - Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - link
Well, its AMD graphics chip in those SoC's ;).Dribble - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
Unfortunately for AMD when you sell something it's no longer yours.GiantPandaMan - Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - link
Anand, do you do barefoot running or parkour?Back on topic. Did they give you a breakdown on power usage and what sort of power gating they'll have? Also, are we talking 32nm here? I'm not too up on my mobile SoC's and processes. Did you get anything more about Mirasol either?
DanNeely - Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - link
It says 45nm on the 1st line of the 2nd paragraph of the article...iwod - Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - link
I thought Imageon was like a Cut down version of Radeon specially made for Mobile. Much like what Nvidia has done to Tegra. And i always wonder how would AMD sold of its GPU to competitors.We all know it is impossible to make a decent GPU without infringing on AMD / NV Patents. Did QualComm has an Cross Patents agreement with AMD as well?
dagamer34 - Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - link
I'm assuming that when you sell a product to another company, you still get access to the patents that make that product work...metafor - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
Qualcomm bought the mobile division of AMD back in 2008, along with all of the patents involved.marc1000 - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
yep. Imageon IS a cut down version of Radeon specially made for Mobile, but AMD sold that division back then.mcveigh - Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - link
Yet another reason I love this site.....Anand's outstanding taste in foot wear.I'd love to hear how he toned them down, just a sharpie?
Sometimes I get annoyed at comments about my red ones :(
on topic: when will qualcomm drop to a 32nm process?
PubicTheHare - Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - link
So neither version of this chip supports LTE? Did they even talk about LTE?EidolWays - Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - link
Not on this chip. LTE is on this guy: http://www.redferret.net/?p=24098EidolWays - Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - link
Or, preferably, to link to Anandtech: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4024/qualcomm-reveal...JarredWalton - Wednesday, January 12, 2011 - link
So Anand does the lion's share of the talking at 1:04 to the end, but you can also catch Vivek at 0:17 for a second (but he's not talking). ;-)fabarati - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
Only other person I recognized. Where were you other guys?DC211 - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
Damn I've been pronouncing the website name wrong for years.PubicTheHare - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
Very nice, but sampling in 2011 pretty much means no phone with that chipset until at least Q2 2012. That's far too long of a wait for me.7Enigma - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
Pretty funny. I was doing the same until about 6months ago when I showed a coworker an article and she corrected me. :) One of the many consequences of text-reading.strikeback03 - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
I did until a year or two ago when someone actually asked how to pronounce Anand in the comments and Jarred replied.And lol at the shoes, my brother-in-law has some of those, though his are tan and dark green. Think he uses them for climbing.
juhatus - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
Please anandtech go back to being a pc-tech site, do a sister site for mobile's or whatnot.I feel like Im reading about 386 processors with all these crapdragon and 5" displays again.
Im sure im not alone, mobile's arent that interesting..
jonup - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
Unfortunately, you and I live in yesterday. Cellphone are the new black. Which by the way, are all black.zodiacfml - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
there wouldn't be other news since Sandy Bridge..SSD news seem all the same to me since they got to a point that they're too fast on a desktop. price drops would be news to me.
anyways, phone news still interest me even i'm not buying any soon.
piroroadkill - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
You have it all wrong. It's tech. CPU architecture, GPU architecture, it's all interesting, regardless of the end device.ARM is front and centre now, especially with Windows 8 being developed for it. If you don't want to read it, don't, but I would wager a lot of people find it interesting.
Tros - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
Are you kidding me?You want bigger screens, go back to the 90s and get a projector television.
You want more x86 madness, go read up on the Sandy Bridge review (while you're at it, you should look at the (old and established) criticisms of x86 and it's architecture.
PC's have gotten stale. Mobile on the other hand is diverse enough to warrant inspections, and attention to new innovations.
juhatus - Friday, January 14, 2011 - link
I have been using windows mobile for _6 years_ now (3 htc's phones+4 symbian Nokia's). Windows mobile where chosen by my company because of Explorer-browser.There is absolutly NOTHING new about these phones OR the app's they are putting them on. (Nokia n-gage have had the best gps+maps with Navicore software(used that 06-08).
Comparing Mobile's and PC, uh, let me know when youv upgraded that cpu and gpu on your mobile with little memory upgrade thrown in. AMD and Intel more active as ever. What is the break now that is holding our pc's back? I think game programmers just can't get all the performance out of hardware, there are many examples where cpu+gpu just doing idle process even though game's are putting low fps (whats need of this new powertune from amd? Furmark is the only thing that uses 100% gpu resources). Or are programmers just doing game's for masses, forgetting high-end. Remember the visions in 80's and 90's about the games we would be playing in 2011. Tron FFS? :)
If you think little about what you are reading on tech-sites its allmost all some feed from tech companies PR with little to none critics. I like Anandtech because its somewhat critical to PR-departments, even sometimes calling their Ace high's.
Just a rant, iv been reading theinq, mcgeek, fud and charlie way too long.
Cheers up!
sotoa - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
I happen to like AnandTech's smartphone chip analysis & reviews. It's just as fascinating as desktop & laptop chips.ellarpc - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
Wow Anand I just gotta know where did you get those shoes?!tipoo - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
They are Vibram FiveFingers. You can order them online.rahvin - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
Very popular with celebrities, McConaughey and several others wore them to an awards show. They are meant to be running shoes and are supposed to be more natural, marketed as like running barefoot to your body without the risks to your feet. It's an interesting trend because a lot of people in the running world are arguing modern shoes are causing lots of health problems from back and knee injuries to tendon and muscle injuries, especially when you look at those Kenyan's that run marathons and win and they run the entire thing in sandals or barefoot. There is good evidence to support the idea because modern shoes completely change how you run, without shoes you run on the balls of your feet, with shoes you run on your heels and all that force and vibration is transfered up your legs into your spine, but barefoot a large percentage of the impact force is absorbed in the flexing of your foot.TareX - Friday, January 14, 2011 - link
Ditto.I'm always more curious about the performance of SoC's than I am with Desktop processors.
Mumrik - Thursday, January 13, 2011 - link
Anand outsuiting the suits!Very sharp dresser... above the ankles that is.
PubicTheHare - Friday, January 14, 2011 - link
And honestly, 45 nm ? Won't that result in a chip that isn't very power efficient (relatively speaking, compared to what's currently out) ?Lepton87 - Friday, January 14, 2011 - link
No, 45nm is as small and power efficient as it gets when it comes to mobile chips. Even Intel doesn't have any advantage in fabrication process of SoCs because moorsetown is also a 45nm chip.apple4 - Friday, January 14, 2011 - link
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Perhaps, it will be usefull to write an article on the technologie on which is based all those phones. After, it will more evident to follow the developpement of these popular technologies. For meBlackberry, HTC all those phones come with a SoC from ARM, Qualcomm or Samsung with use RISC based desing and like pc world, phone have os like Google Android, Win CE (mobile 7) and Blackberry OS.
TekDemon - Tuesday, January 18, 2011 - link
Holy Jebus I feel old, I still think of Anand as the kid who founded Anandtech-I'm the same age and I remember wanting to do the same thing back then, if only to get my hands on some of the latest hardware. Now my hair's thinning too.*sigh*
marry001 - Tuesday, January 25, 2011 - link
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