Because, of course, if you buy a 14" laptop theres no possible way you ever want USB 3.0. Fucking FAIL! So, so, so, so tired of of fuckwit focus groups telling us how laptops should be. The whole issue is, laptops area closed system. No room to grow, sop its best to load them up as much as sensibly possible. Way to fuck us, Dell. Doesn't Dell have that sound-off website where we were supposed to be able to tell them how to build a better mousetrap?
maybe they didn't have room do add another chip for usb3 (nec or freelogic). perhaps it uses too much power for a 90w power brick. the bigger laptops can use either a 130w or 150w brick. only other feature the smallest model doesn't have for option is a dedicated subwoffer. of all the features to whine about i'm surprised its not that the 15" model can accept a 1900x1080 screen whil the 17" can not.
Didn't have room? Kill the 2.0. Simple. What, 3.0 wont perform on par with 2.0 speeds for the Luddites? C'mon. And I'm bitching, not whining. And who really gives a shit about 1920x1080 on a a notebook? Reason why it shouldn't matter: You can attach a 1920x1080 monitor, for real enjoyment of said resolution. BAM, bitches! Solve the USB 3.0 problem.
I forgot to mention the USB 3.0 omission on the 14", but MGSsancho is correct that it's a matter of not having enough space. You can't just leave out USB 2.0 and add USB 3.0; you need a separate chip for USB 3.0 where 2.0 comes from the standard chipset. And your suggestion that LCD resolution doesn't matter because you can hook up to an external 1080p display... well, what's the point of a laptop if you have to connect to a separate display?
I stand corrected, if and so the 3.0 has to have 2.0's controller on board, though I'm sure its a separate controller chip, but then you are in direct line with the Gods of production, Jarred. My point about the 1920x1080 that it doesn't matter because you have the option. For those that really enjoy 1920x1080 on 15", go at it. But I know many that don't like the that size res on such a small screen. and to know there room for DisplayPort *and* HDMI, well yay for Dell, all that landscape on such a tiny mobo.
So why not at least have 1600x900? 768 vertical pixels are pretty much useless. I'm not buying a laptop to have a mobile 720p TV. I'm buying a laptop to have a machine I can do various tasks on, and 768 pixels is just way too few.
Even 1080 pixels is to few, because every program eats up half those pixels with worth menus and search bars. And websites make it even worse by placing all the advertisements at the top. I use a 1920x1200 screen,because the last 120 pixels actually have content instead of having to scroll past all the ridiculous advertisements. It's a complete waste of a decent monitor, but constantly having to scroll past ads and menus really stinks.
as for usb 3.0, I agree put the functionality on the laptop...lol ditch sata if you have too.
Sorry, some of us have to work on a laptop sometimes, not just watch movies or play games. I dunno if you've ever used any Adobe products, video editing or Maya but if you are on the go and need to work, you'd be very happy your monitor has the real estate you need.
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Then the obvious thing to do would be to redesign the standard chipset to include 3.0 as well as 2.0? Surely they could share some of the same resources.
The USB 2.0 is intergrated into a part Intel makes called the southbridge, without it the computer cant work, cause it also handles the SATA hard drives.
Intel designs southbridges 1-2 years in advance, the next intel southbridge with USB 3.0 support is expected to come out sometime next year. Dell can not design / or create its own southbridge.
Aftermarket USB 3.0 chips are available for motherboard makers to add (how all usb 3.0 on intel platforms is accomplished right now) , but it requires space on the board to place the chip. All USB 3.0 chips have USB 2.0 specifications built in because the 3.0 ports work with 2.0 and 3.0 devices.
Yes and intel knew about USB 3.0 back in 2008 and yet didn't see a need to put it on its Nahelem based platform. So the fault is intels. Just like with the upcoming Sandy Bridge platform, intel still didn't see a need to design a capable USB 3.0 southbridge.
yes... its moron day... people who think they know but they don't actually know.
USB3.0 will still take 2-3 years to really take off... by that time 95% XPS users will be upgrading yet again... not too big of a deal.
i saw some Sony 14" with 1080p screens... pretty sweet. I kinda hate all the 768 screens that comes 'standard' nowadays... there is just too LITTLE vertical real estate space to do real work. 768 vertical space is soooo 2001.
I want a laptop with 1080p 17" screen with mid range Core i5, mid range discrete graphics card and USB 3. It seems Asus is the only company that gets it but only at the high end (and that doesn't have usb 3). It's Intel's fault there isn't widespread USB 3 in notebooks because they didn't include it in the southbridge. They'll be pushing for their optical link instead of USB 3 i'm sure.
Thanks for the Spec Sheet Jared. After reading that I didn't even have to read the article. No 17" 1080p, no Dell!!!!! ... as if their driver shenanigans isn't reason enough not to go with Dell. Dell will make sure your notebook becomes obsolete for gaming through their driver updates. Dell's prices aren't all that good. The only thing they got going for them is their at home warranty service.
Hooking it up to an external monitor to have better resolution is idiotic. I might as well have a desktop for a lot less money.
Which "driver shenanigans"? NVIDIA now provides Verde drivers for just about every notebook out there with an NVIDIA GPU -- including some older Dell XPS units if I'm not mistaken. The initial release of the 260.89 driver set didn't include the new XPS laptops, but apparently NVIDIA has released a "hotfix" 260.89 driver that adds the necessary support.
But as far as the LCD goes, yeah, no 1080p on 17" right now. I suspect they can fix that at any time, as there are several 1080p 17.3" panels on the market. Hopefully there will be a decent B+RG option (or dare I even ask, RGB LED).
I imagine it's either size-constraints on the actual headers, and keeping within specification. Or it's the included eSATA port, which makes a USB 3.0 superfluous, given the current uses for high speed peripherals. And don't whine about eSATA only allowing one port, upgrade to FW800 in that case. DMA and daisy-chaining.
Why the need to call me out as whining? :P Not sure I understand what you mean by upgrade to FW 800, I dont see Dell has that option avail. Nonetheless, Esata, while in good direction only helps a bit, as what I do (AV editing on the road) needs the add'l usb 3.0 port, but I hate larger lappies.
I'm not even going to read all the responses to your topic but I'm sure more than half are nay sayers. USB 3.0 is here now and we need it in laptops ASAP. Express cards bulge out too much for portable machines.
Intel is too busy with other things for now but the biggest reason holding back USB 3.0 adoption is the lack of standard header pinouts. Had a standard been agreed on from the get go, we already would have had USB 3.0 desktop cases everywhere. That's the reason why I still haven't bought a new case 6 months after my build (it's taking way longer than I anticipated).
I don't really get why they need "lines" at all. Why not just have them be Dell Laptops, ranging from Nettop/Netbooks all the way up to their most powerful dual graphics card gaming laptops?
Then they wouldn't have to have the staff for you, would they? But it would be nice for the people who DO need tech support to be able to call. Furthermore, what happens if your hard drive dies Walton? You don't like warranted products? I think that in this day and age a company like Dell should be able to stand behind their products for five years. Fifty years ago a company like John Deere would have. My how times and quality have changed.
Dell allows you usually to select 1, 2 or 3 year warranties / support options. I always select the smallest one cause they make most of their money on support. Thus people like me and jarred who can fix their laptop themselves don't have to pay for morons like you who call in to have some indian tell you to please plug in your laptop.
Why does every electronics retailer pay their employees to offer you extended warranties on everything, because the obvious reason its extremely profitable, in fact its almost the only area they do make profit on.
I read up until you said "moron". I build my own desktops, water cooled...thank you child. I'm pushing 31, and I'm self taught. Before hurling insults perhaps you should mature a bit. If I have to call someone in Pakistan for tech support then it isn't support. My entire point here is that one good tech guy in America could do the job of three of their worthless non-english speaking foreigners. The fact is that if they are being profitable and not providing good support then they're just ripping people off. If my laptop goes bad within the warranty period I expect it to be fixed. I shouldn't have to tinker. By tinkering I can A) Void the warranty. B) Accidently break something because lets face it, laptops aren't that easy to open when they're from an OEM like Dell. C) Waste my time and lose information/income.
So set yourself back down with your childish insults, I had a valid argument.
idk, i swapped up pretty much everything in my old inspiron 9400. Those old 17" were easy to open and really expandable. Of course, I have no idea if they've maintained that tradition. I do feel you on the support front tho - you'd expect the tech to be clearly audible over a phone line and qualified to diagnose a problem - rather than reading of a flow chart.
Mentioning my 9400 brings it to my attention that dell seems to have reduced performance of their machines all round since the acquisition of alienware. At the time, the inspiron line would ship with anything up to a 7900 GS (a legit top of the line card at the time), and the XPS anything up to a 7950GTX - which was the fastest mobile gpu available. The alienware machines were shipping with SLi configs of these cards. Now you can barely get a decent gpu in an xps, and the alienware are similarly unimpressive (but still as expensive). Not to mention the inspiron 17" all had the option for WUXGA panels, and if that spec matrix is to be trusted, that option isn't even available on the 17" xps today (but is on the 15 incher? o_O).
I get the feeling that Dell have missed a trick by abandoning any notion that their inspiron/xps lappys are to be suitable for gaming - i'm convinced that a lot of people that would like a (somewhat) gaming capable laptop would be put off by the alienware machines - the chassis are dog ugly for a start - and in general, they seem really specialist (despite the bottom of the range alienware being entirely unimpressive)
There seems to be a huge number of people who want laptops that offer excellent gaming performance, good build quality and elegant, professional styling.
You'd think that someone would try to fill this niche, but it doesn't appear to be the case. The closest I can even think of would be the HP Envy line, which while ripping off Apple, look a hell of a lot less out of place in a boardroom meeting than an Alienware ever would...
Why must all gaming laptops look like they were designed by pimply-faced thirteen year old Dragonball Z fans?
Dell needs to have a product line that can hit a $400 price point with cheap everything, but they can't use the thin plastic chassis the Inspiron trash has on a laptop like one of these that might cost $1000+
I hope you don't mind me saying, but Dell XPS is THE $#@!.
I bought my system from them for somewhere about $1500 (w/5 year warranty + completecare) for an XPS 420 with a Q6600+4GB DDR2+8800GT. Six months later I felt ripped off, because components had gone down that much.
My HDD started giving me trouble after 3 years, I had it serviced within 3 days. A few months later, I called in to let them know the computer was acting funny (turning off by itself) and there was some persistent smell of electrical burning. I was told to not turn it on and that I would receive a replacement (refurbished) system, at no extra cost and without any inspection. I was told it would take 3 weeks, I was pissed.
Alas, 1 week later the system was at my door. It had an i7-920, 8GB DDR3 and some medium range card (though better than 8800GT is by now). But they sent it without a wireless card. Again I called, and again I was serviced within 3 days.
Overall, one of the best purchases I ever made, and the warranty was a sure investment, to say the least. Many people complain about Dell's support (myself included), but XPS Support blew me away.
Excuse the fanboism. I will now go back to reading your review.
Yeah, I've found their customer support to be good as well. My Studio 15's screen was flickering so I called them up and they sent a box to return it in. Not three days after I shipped it, my laptop was returned and I found they upgraded my screen from a 720p one to a 1920x1080 one for free.
Great choice by Dell, people! JBL speakers are always nice, and with Waves processing this is going to be something else!
I bought my Toshiba Qosmio in Japan a couple of years a go, which had Harman/Kardon Speakers with Waves enhancement - let me tell you - I never heard a laptop sound like this!!! you get big fat Bass and hi-fi quality from your tiny freaking laptop speakers!
As any musician, I am a big fan of Waves sound tools, and having them available on Dell's XPS is GREAT NEWS!!!
Why Dell XPS 15 Get A Full HD Option While XPS 17 Don't Get It. Such A Disappointment (Not A Lot) And Will It Be Added With B+RG LED Truelife Full HD Or RGBLED Full HD Display . If XPS 17 Screen Will Be Updated?
If anything, a 15.6" 1920 x 1080 would be as far as I'd be willing to get. Even a dual core with a decent GPU is okay for me, but not having a full resolution is a deal breaker for me. If I need a workhorse, I can just VPN to my home network and RDP into my server or desktops.
People will argue that they can't see in that high a resolution, but some people can. People will argue that it wastes battery power, but some people are usually always plugged in using performance laptops.
All I'm saying is, if they're going for performance, why not go all the way? A 17.3" that doesn't have a WUXGA display in the $2k range is a waste in my book.
Except all the business laptops still tend to go with 16:10--or at least a lot of the Dell Latitude/Precision, Lenovo ThinkPad, HP ProBook/EliteBook, etc. seem to have WUXGA and WXGA+ still.
The newer ThinkPads have gone 16x9, and I'm guessing most other lines have already gone that direction as well or will soon. For better or worse, 16x10 looks to be a goner.
It depends on the model... the T series is still WXGA/WXGA+ (1280x800/1440x900), and the X series is 1280x800. I think only the W series has moved to offering "HD/HD+/FHD" (1366x768/1600x900/1920x1080).
I too have been incredibly frustrated with the sub-par screen options on laptops. Reading the laptop reviews on this site is an exercise in repetition when it comes to poor screens. I recently came across an interesting comment from Lenovo regarding the disappearance of high quality laptop screens. It reads as follows:
"At Lenovo we love IPS display technology. I still fondly remember the ThinkPad A30p, which I believe was our first ThinkPad to have an IPS panel. It was beautiful, and as a photographer, I could appreciate the wider viewing angle and vibrant, accurate colors. To this day I won’t do any photo editing on my laptop because, frankly, every laptop display panel choice is equally pitiful for this task.
We can blame the explosion in high definition TVs as a primary reason for the demise of the IPS panel for notebook displays. High resolution IPS panels are expensive, low-yield SKUs for LCD glass manufacturers. Not many wanted to make them in notebook sizes of 14 or 15 inches when they could make more money selling 40 or 50 inches at a time to TV vendors. We stopped offering this technology because we could not procure a reliable supply."
Indeed, HP has recently discontinued offering the high end Radiance display for the Envy series, presumably because they had supply issues with the LCD manufacturer.
There are, however, a large community of people that do work on their laptops that require high pixel real estate and/or high quality color. In time, I suspect, newer technologies and manufacturing processes will fill this current void in the market. Until then, laptops are good for reading, typing, and games.
Anyway I already chat with dell agent. and it will have full hd option overall. for the one who disappoint with the news. don't worry. if u think i'm lie. i have the chat log anyway.
The article mentions that theyre shipping from today.
But from where?
They dont seem to exist in Dell-country, apart from the press releases.
Also, slot loading drive gone? Option of edge to edge glass gone?
Are they trying to give apple/hp a niche in the, nice looking, portable, machine market?
The only thing this has going for it is price/performance ratio. If its anything like the xps 16 (core i7 720qm, 4gb ram, 1080p (white), backlit kb, all for 999euro), i guess ill be getting one.
looks good. Wonder when it will be available in Denmark, Europe, and what the pricing will be at. And also id like some info on the weight of these new laptops. I hope the 15.6" will be at 2.2kg max. I find the 16" SONY VAIO at 3kg too heavy.
Can anyone explain to me why Dell would release a 15" laptop that has a much higher screen resolution than a 17" laptop? That doesn't make any sense to me. I have an XPS that's about 4 years old and it has a 17" screen with a higher resolution that the one mentioned in this article.
Also, could you please implement some sort of language censoring on here. Make it optional if you want but at least the people who want to come to a tech site and read tech articles won't have to be exposed to it if they don't want to. Thank you, Preston
Yeah my 4+ year old XPS 17" laptop has a 1920x1200 screen. Good luck finding a laptop with that resolution these days. Why is it that we've managed to lose screen resolution over time?! I swear the marketing guys must be orgasmic over the fact Joe Public thinks that an "HD" screen is an upgrade rather than a downgrade.
Where is my 3840x2400 screen? I want the DPI of the iPhone4 on my computer monitor!
I agree completely. My Dell Inspiron 9400 has 1920x1200 and I for one will settle for nothing less. I can see putting this on the 15" but how could you not at least make this an available upgrade for the 17"???
Same here - also have a Inspirin 9400, with 17" 1920 x 1200 screen, and I can't see myself losing the vertical pixels. Especially now with the new MS Office programs taking up some much room with the ribbon bars. I don't mind black bars when watching movies - the extra realestate for getting work done is more important.
Firstly... why does Dell NEVER offer the top-end dual-core? The i7 620M and now the i7 640M. Why, Dell... WHY?!
Second. In order to get the upgraded graphics in both laptops, you HAVE to get the quad-core chip. Which means no Optimus. Which means awful battery life. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU DELL?!
Thirdly... no 900p option for the 14" Seriously? SERIOUSLY? 1366x768 doesn't cut it. Not at all. Not even close. Why do all laptop manufacturers these days think that 1366x768 is even remotely acceptable for a machine larger than ~12 inches?!
Why 768p? Marketing. They can advertise the thing as an "HD LCD". Joe User eats it up, it's HD! The power users meanwhile grit their teeth as they wait for someone to offer a decent new 16:10.
The other thing that needs to happen is Windows need to auto-detect screen size and resolution and set DPI settings accordingly so people don't set 1920x1200 15" screens to 1280x1024. I don't know how people live with non-native res and wrong aspect ratio in LCDs, the artifacts drive me up the wall.
Hilarious thing is that every major browser's next UI iteration is basically stripping out as much top bar stuff as possible. I believe it's because they need to conserve vertical space on 1024x600/1024x768/1366x768 screens, since the internet is more or less vertically oriented.
The very fact that the first thing a frighteningly large amount of people would do with a 17" 1920x1080 monitor is to turn it to 1366x768 and live it with being blurry is why we're getting such resolutions standard nowadays.
yeah! totally agree with you TotalL the whole point of Optimus is to be able to use a more powerful GPU with no battery life trade off. But in this case if you want a more powerful GPU you loose both a more efficient CPU and Optimus.
We will prolly see these at the outlet quite soon after release where they should be considerably cheaper. However I completely hate the design. It looks similar to inspiron they way the lid is situated. I like their current model much better but anyway i believe the deal breaker for at least the 14 inch is the 720p display. I really don't get why they chose this crappy rez. the panel must be expensive or something otherwise it makes no sense.
Some of the best notebooks I've ever used are discontinued. Why is is that so many nowadays look like mind numbingly bad Macbook ripoffs with absolutely no aesthetic value?
C'mon, Dell, HP, Gateway, Lets see some innovation!
Guess what? You are not allowed to configure a laptop with the GT435M GPU and a Core i5 CPU, and wait here's the best part, because of a "compatibility issue"! WTF Dell, WTF! Not to mention even configured with the Core i5, which is more CPU than I'm ever gonna need, it's 1200 bucks when I can go on Cyberpower and get basically the same laptop for 1K. Granted I put 6GB RAM in it, but that's only worth 50 bucks tops.
Please get on Dell about this. There's no reason that price should be over 1100, especially with the amount of bloatware these things come with. And there's absolutely NO excuse for claiming a compatibility issue between the GT435M and a Core i5 CPU.
just to be clear, the price isn't WAY out of line, I'd probably just wait for some kind of special to order it. But the "compatibility issue" bothers me on a moral level. Makes me not want to buy from Dell at all. That's the real issue. I am pleased they offer a 1080p screen on the 15" model though, and 6GB of RAM.
it seems like a "profit" compatibility issue more than a technical one, they force you to add an i7 if you want GT435M or force you to buy a GT435M if you want an i7. Plus you loose Optimus, so you will surely want the 9 cell battery option.
Even thought my Experience with Dell laptops is good, in my side or my family/relation side... my next laptop wont be Dell... one of the first reasons is the fact they use a property power supply, so even thought you can use third party ones to power the laptop but that third party ones wont charge the battery... Dell opted for property ID Chip in the charger to identify it so it can control the power sent to the laptop and to the battery in cases you used an under-powered charger for your laptop, for example when your laptop require 90W charger and you used 65W one... this is smart to ensure better power management and longer battery live.. but the problem is when the laptop can't identify the charger ( third party one ), the it will just stop charging the battery and you'll be lifted with a laptop that works only by connecting it to a power socket !!
so when your charger fails.. you have to go for Dell's bulky power charger again... and guess what.. sometimes like my self the charger is ok.. working like a charm.. but it wont charge the battery, this happens when the ID chip in the charger fails or when the third thin wire that communicates with the laptop fails too... and this is exactly what happens to me... the wire failed... then the chip failed too... I searched for another nice branded third party charger that is not bulky and I found a very nice one that even has a USB port for charging your USB powered gadgets... but I found that this charger will just power the laptop but will not charge tha battery !! so I was forced to buy another bulky charger from Dell !!
now.. I won't go for Dell laptops again unless they remove this annoying feature or limitation... I'm thinking about ASUS for my next lappy...
Its notebooks like these that make me think why would someone pay twice as much money for something that isn't as good (mac-crook pro) Pass the word, in case nobody noticed.
After checking the specs on these babies, I noticed that these are kinda over weight. Any 15" over 6 1/2 pounds is too heavy. And they look kind thick too. Not to mention ugly.
Common Dell! Can't you make anything that is even remotely close to Apple's MacBook Pro?
It's looking very beautiful. Its really revolutionary! imagine how thin is that? I think Dell's laptop perform as they advertised to be. I really like those Adamo line but I expect they should be killed for some more improvement . http://www.laptops4review.com
aside from a using a dell ultra-sharp quality LCD/LED panel why can't manufacturers just do away with the track-pad, push the keyboard forward,and include a wireless logitech mouse.
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BoonDoggie - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Because, of course, if you buy a 14" laptop theres no possible way you ever want USB 3.0. Fucking FAIL! So, so, so, so tired of of fuckwit focus groups telling us how laptops should be.The whole issue is, laptops area closed system. No room to grow, sop its best to load them up as much as sensibly possible. Way to fuck us, Dell.
Doesn't Dell have that sound-off website where we were supposed to be able to tell them how to build a better mousetrap?
MGSsancho - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
maybe they didn't have room do add another chip for usb3 (nec or freelogic). perhaps it uses too much power for a 90w power brick. the bigger laptops can use either a 130w or 150w brick. only other feature the smallest model doesn't have for option is a dedicated subwoffer. of all the features to whine about i'm surprised its not that the 15" model can accept a 1900x1080 screen whil the 17" can not.BoonDoggie - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Didn't have room? Kill the 2.0. Simple. What, 3.0 wont perform on par with 2.0 speeds for the Luddites? C'mon.And I'm bitching, not whining.
And who really gives a shit about 1920x1080 on a a notebook? Reason why it shouldn't matter: You can attach a 1920x1080 monitor, for real enjoyment of said resolution. BAM, bitches!
Solve the USB 3.0 problem.
BoonDoggie - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Its like making a Porsche Cayman with a flat 6 AND a 4 cyl for those that wanna keep it under 62....JarredWalton - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
I forgot to mention the USB 3.0 omission on the 14", but MGSsancho is correct that it's a matter of not having enough space. You can't just leave out USB 2.0 and add USB 3.0; you need a separate chip for USB 3.0 where 2.0 comes from the standard chipset. And your suggestion that LCD resolution doesn't matter because you can hook up to an external 1080p display... well, what's the point of a laptop if you have to connect to a separate display?BoonDoggie - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
I stand corrected, if and so the 3.0 has to have 2.0's controller on board, though I'm sure its a separate controller chip, but then you are in direct line with the Gods of production, Jarred.My point about the 1920x1080 that it doesn't matter because you have the option. For those that really enjoy 1920x1080 on 15", go at it. But I know many that don't like the that size res on such a small screen. and to know there room for DisplayPort *and* HDMI, well yay for Dell, all that landscape on such a tiny mobo.
DanNeely - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
USB 2.0 is controlled by the southbridge. It does not need a separate chip unless you need more than the 12 or 14 ports that come standard.Pitabred - Friday, October 22, 2010 - link
So why not at least have 1600x900? 768 vertical pixels are pretty much useless. I'm not buying a laptop to have a mobile 720p TV. I'm buying a laptop to have a machine I can do various tasks on, and 768 pixels is just way too few.stancilmor - Thursday, November 25, 2010 - link
Even 1080 pixels is to few, because every program eats up half those pixels with worth menus and search bars. And websites make it even worse by placing all the advertisements at the top. I use a 1920x1200 screen,because the last 120 pixels actually have content instead of having to scroll past all the ridiculous advertisements. It's a complete waste of a decent monitor, but constantly having to scroll past ads and menus really stinks.as for usb 3.0, I agree put the functionality on the laptop...lol ditch sata if you have too.
debacol - Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - link
Sorry, some of us have to work on a laptop sometimes, not just watch movies or play games. I dunno if you've ever used any Adobe products, video editing or Maya but if you are on the go and need to work, you'd be very happy your monitor has the real estate you need.nbjknk - Thursday, November 25, 2010 - link
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JonnyDough - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Then the obvious thing to do would be to redesign the standard chipset to include 3.0 as well as 2.0? Surely they could share some of the same resources.cashkennedy - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
What is this moron day?The USB 2.0 is intergrated into a part Intel makes called the southbridge, without it the computer cant work, cause it also handles the SATA hard drives.
Intel designs southbridges 1-2 years in advance, the next intel southbridge with USB 3.0 support is expected to come out sometime next year. Dell can not design / or create its own southbridge.
Aftermarket USB 3.0 chips are available for motherboard makers to add (how all usb 3.0 on intel platforms is accomplished right now) , but it requires space on the board to place the chip. All USB 3.0 chips have USB 2.0 specifications built in because the 3.0 ports work with 2.0 and 3.0 devices.
SteelCity1981 - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Yes and intel knew about USB 3.0 back in 2008 and yet didn't see a need to put it on its Nahelem based platform. So the fault is intels. Just like with the upcoming Sandy Bridge platform, intel still didn't see a need to design a capable USB 3.0 southbridge.StormFox - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
yes... its moron day... people who think they know but they don't actually know.USB3.0 will still take 2-3 years to really take off... by that time 95% XPS users will be upgrading yet again... not too big of a deal.
i saw some Sony 14" with 1080p screens... pretty sweet. I kinda hate all the 768 screens that comes 'standard' nowadays... there is just too LITTLE vertical real estate space to do real work. 768 vertical space is soooo 2001.
synaesthetic - Monday, October 25, 2010 - link
It's actually 1920x1080 on a 13.1" display, and yes, it is incredibly awesome.I really miss the days when a 1440x900 display was always an option on 14" machines and when 15-inchers rarely came with less than 1680x1050.
1366x768 is horrible.
assemblage - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
I want a laptop with 1080p 17" screen with mid range Core i5, mid range discrete graphics card and USB 3. It seems Asus is the only company that gets it but only at the high end (and that doesn't have usb 3). It's Intel's fault there isn't widespread USB 3 in notebooks because they didn't include it in the southbridge. They'll be pushing for their optical link instead of USB 3 i'm sure.Thanks for the Spec Sheet Jared. After reading that I didn't even have to read the article. No 17" 1080p, no Dell!!!!! ... as if their driver shenanigans isn't reason enough not to go with Dell. Dell will make sure your notebook becomes obsolete for gaming through their driver updates. Dell's prices aren't all that good. The only thing they got going for them is their at home warranty service.
Hooking it up to an external monitor to have better resolution is idiotic. I might as well have a desktop for a lot less money.
rwei - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Sounds like you want an HP Envy 17. Though you may be displeased to find that the graphics card is a little more than mid-range =P.JarredWalton - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Which "driver shenanigans"? NVIDIA now provides Verde drivers for just about every notebook out there with an NVIDIA GPU -- including some older Dell XPS units if I'm not mistaken. The initial release of the 260.89 driver set didn't include the new XPS laptops, but apparently NVIDIA has released a "hotfix" 260.89 driver that adds the necessary support.But as far as the LCD goes, yeah, no 1080p on 17" right now. I suspect they can fix that at any time, as there are several 1080p 17.3" panels on the market. Hopefully there will be a decent B+RG option (or dare I even ask, RGB LED).
Tros - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
I imagine it's either size-constraints on the actual headers, and keeping within specification. Or it's the included eSATA port, which makes a USB 3.0 superfluous, given the current uses for high speed peripherals.And don't whine about eSATA only allowing one port, upgrade to FW800 in that case. DMA and daisy-chaining.
BoonDoggie - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Why the need to call me out as whining? :P Not sure I understand what you mean by upgrade to FW 800, I dont see Dell has that option avail. Nonetheless, Esata, while in good direction only helps a bit, as what I do (AV editing on the road) needs the add'l usb 3.0 port, but I hate larger lappies.MrX8503 - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Dude, calm down, its just a laptop. Focus that energy into maybe doing something charitable.semo - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
I'm not even going to read all the responses to your topic but I'm sure more than half are nay sayers. USB 3.0 is here now and we need it in laptops ASAP. Express cards bulge out too much for portable machines.Intel is too busy with other things for now but the biggest reason holding back USB 3.0 adoption is the lack of standard header pinouts. Had a standard been agreed on from the get go, we already would have had USB 3.0 desktop cases everywhere. That's the reason why I still haven't bought a new case 6 months after my build (it's taking way longer than I anticipated).
JonnyDough - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
I don't really get why they need "lines" at all. Why not just have them be Dell Laptops, ranging from Nettop/Netbooks all the way up to their most powerful dual graphics card gaming laptops?JonnyDough - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
On a further note, why not provide amazing customer support regardless of which laptop you purchase? Oh wait, it's Dell.JarredWalton - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Because customer support costs money to staff, and there are many people (like me) that never call customer support and don't want to pay for it.JonnyDough - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Then they wouldn't have to have the staff for you, would they? But it would be nice for the people who DO need tech support to be able to call. Furthermore, what happens if your hard drive dies Walton? You don't like warranted products? I think that in this day and age a company like Dell should be able to stand behind their products for five years. Fifty years ago a company like John Deere would have. My how times and quality have changed.cashkennedy - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Dell allows you usually to select 1, 2 or 3 year warranties / support options. I always select the smallest one cause they make most of their money on support. Thus people like me and jarred who can fix their laptop themselves don't have to pay for morons like you who call in to have some indian tell you to please plug in your laptop.Why does every electronics retailer pay their employees to offer you extended warranties on everything, because the obvious reason its extremely profitable, in fact its almost the only area they do make profit on.
JonnyDough - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
I read up until you said "moron". I build my own desktops, water cooled...thank you child. I'm pushing 31, and I'm self taught. Before hurling insults perhaps you should mature a bit. If I have to call someone in Pakistan for tech support then it isn't support. My entire point here is that one good tech guy in America could do the job of three of their worthless non-english speaking foreigners. The fact is that if they are being profitable and not providing good support then they're just ripping people off. If my laptop goes bad within the warranty period I expect it to be fixed. I shouldn't have to tinker. By tinkering I can A) Void the warranty. B) Accidently break something because lets face it, laptops aren't that easy to open when they're from an OEM like Dell. C) Waste my time and lose information/income.So set yourself back down with your childish insults, I had a valid argument.
Sufo - Friday, October 22, 2010 - link
idk, i swapped up pretty much everything in my old inspiron 9400. Those old 17" were easy to open and really expandable. Of course, I have no idea if they've maintained that tradition. I do feel you on the support front tho - you'd expect the tech to be clearly audible over a phone line and qualified to diagnose a problem - rather than reading of a flow chart.Mentioning my 9400 brings it to my attention that dell seems to have reduced performance of their machines all round since the acquisition of alienware. At the time, the inspiron line would ship with anything up to a 7900 GS (a legit top of the line card at the time), and the XPS anything up to a 7950GTX - which was the fastest mobile gpu available. The alienware machines were shipping with SLi configs of these cards. Now you can barely get a decent gpu in an xps, and the alienware are similarly unimpressive (but still as expensive). Not to mention the inspiron 17" all had the option for WUXGA panels, and if that spec matrix is to be trusted, that option isn't even available on the 17" xps today (but is on the 15 incher? o_O).
I get the feeling that Dell have missed a trick by abandoning any notion that their inspiron/xps lappys are to be suitable for gaming - i'm convinced that a lot of people that would like a (somewhat) gaming capable laptop would be put off by the alienware machines - the chassis are dog ugly for a start - and in general, they seem really specialist (despite the bottom of the range alienware being entirely unimpressive)
just my couple of pennies
synaesthetic - Monday, October 25, 2010 - link
There seems to be a huge number of people who want laptops that offer excellent gaming performance, good build quality and elegant, professional styling.You'd think that someone would try to fill this niche, but it doesn't appear to be the case. The closest I can even think of would be the HP Envy line, which while ripping off Apple, look a hell of a lot less out of place in a boardroom meeting than an Alienware ever would...
Why must all gaming laptops look like they were designed by pimply-faced thirteen year old Dragonball Z fans?
debacol - Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - link
Amen. Also, why must all these powerful machines have only glossy screens as an option? Anyone else really tired of staring at a glare-filled screen?RIP Envy 15 with a matte option... you will be missed.
Taft12 - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Dell needs to have a product line that can hit a $400 price point with cheap everything, but they can't use the thin plastic chassis the Inspiron trash has on a laptop like one of these that might cost $1000+ArenaNinja - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
I hope you don't mind me saying, but Dell XPS is THE $#@!.I bought my system from them for somewhere about $1500 (w/5 year warranty + completecare) for an XPS 420 with a Q6600+4GB DDR2+8800GT. Six months later I felt ripped off, because components had gone down that much.
My HDD started giving me trouble after 3 years, I had it serviced within 3 days. A few months later, I called in to let them know the computer was acting funny (turning off by itself) and there was some persistent smell of electrical burning. I was told to not turn it on and that I would receive a replacement (refurbished) system, at no extra cost and without any inspection. I was told it would take 3 weeks, I was pissed.
Alas, 1 week later the system was at my door. It had an i7-920, 8GB DDR3 and some medium range card (though better than 8800GT is by now). But they sent it without a wireless card. Again I called, and again I was serviced within 3 days.
Overall, one of the best purchases I ever made, and the warranty was a sure investment, to say the least. Many people complain about Dell's support (myself included), but XPS Support blew me away.
Excuse the fanboism. I will now go back to reading your review.
tipoo - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Yeah, I've found their customer support to be good as well. My Studio 15's screen was flickering so I called them up and they sent a box to return it in. Not three days after I shipped it, my laptop was returned and I found they upgraded my screen from a 720p one to a 1920x1080 one for free.Durga_san - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Great choice by Dell, people! JBL speakers are always nice, and with Waves processing this is going to be something else!I bought my Toshiba Qosmio in Japan a couple of years a go, which had Harman/Kardon Speakers with Waves enhancement - let me tell you - I never heard a laptop sound like this!!! you get big fat Bass and hi-fi quality from your tiny freaking laptop speakers!
As any musician, I am a big fan of Waves sound tools, and having them available on Dell's XPS is GREAT NEWS!!!
Fiery_Performer - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Why Dell XPS 15 Get A Full HD Option While XPS 17 Don't Get It. Such A Disappointment (Not A Lot) And Will It Be Added With B+RG LED Truelife Full HD Or RGBLED Full HD Display . If XPS 17 Screen Will Be Updated?El_Capitan - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
At least have the option, are you kidding me?If anything, a 15.6" 1920 x 1080 would be as far as I'd be willing to get. Even a dual core with a decent GPU is okay for me, but not having a full resolution is a deal breaker for me. If I need a workhorse, I can just VPN to my home network and RDP into my server or desktops.
People will argue that they can't see in that high a resolution, but some people can. People will argue that it wastes battery power, but some people are usually always plugged in using performance laptops.
All I'm saying is, if they're going for performance, why not go all the way? A 17.3" that doesn't have a WUXGA display in the $2k range is a waste in my book.
SandmanWN - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
yeah, cause it couldn't possibly be a typo or something. Chill out spaz.StrangerGuy - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Did every single LCD panel manufacturer stop producing them or something? I want my vertical real estate back...Taft12 - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
The consumers have spoken and they don't want to pay more for a panel that can't also be mass-produced for TV sets.1920x1200, we hardly knew ye :(
JarredWalton - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Except all the business laptops still tend to go with 16:10--or at least a lot of the Dell Latitude/Precision, Lenovo ThinkPad, HP ProBook/EliteBook, etc. seem to have WUXGA and WXGA+ still.seapeople - Friday, October 22, 2010 - link
The newer ThinkPads have gone 16x9, and I'm guessing most other lines have already gone that direction as well or will soon. For better or worse, 16x10 looks to be a goner.JarredWalton - Monday, October 25, 2010 - link
It depends on the model... the T series is still WXGA/WXGA+ (1280x800/1440x900), and the X series is 1280x800. I think only the W series has moved to offering "HD/HD+/FHD" (1366x768/1600x900/1920x1080).carolaus - Wednesday, October 27, 2010 - link
I too have been incredibly frustrated with the sub-par screen options on laptops. Reading the laptop reviews on this site is an exercise in repetition when it comes to poor screens. I recently came across an interesting comment from Lenovo regarding the disappearance of high quality laptop screens. It reads as follows:"At Lenovo we love IPS display technology. I still fondly remember the ThinkPad A30p, which I believe was our first ThinkPad to have an IPS panel. It was beautiful, and as a photographer, I could appreciate the wider viewing angle and vibrant, accurate colors. To this day I won’t do any photo editing on my laptop because, frankly, every laptop display panel choice is equally pitiful for this task.
We can blame the explosion in high definition TVs as a primary reason for the demise of the IPS panel for notebook displays. High resolution IPS panels are expensive, low-yield SKUs for LCD glass manufacturers. Not many wanted to make them in notebook sizes of 14 or 15 inches when they could make more money selling 40 or 50 inches at a time to TV vendors. We stopped offering this technology because we could not procure a reliable supply."
Indeed, HP has recently discontinued offering the high end Radiance display for the Envy series, presumably because they had supply issues with the LCD manufacturer.
There are, however, a large community of people that do work on their laptops that require high pixel real estate and/or high quality color. In time, I suspect, newer technologies and manufacturing processes will fill this current void in the market. Until then, laptops are good for reading, typing, and games.
Fiery_Performer - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Anyway I already chat with dell agent. and it will have full hd option overall. for the one who disappoint with the news. don't worry. if u think i'm lie. i have the chat log anyway.qwe11rty22 - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
The article mentions that theyre shipping from today.But from where?
They dont seem to exist in Dell-country, apart from the press releases.
Also, slot loading drive gone? Option of edge to edge glass gone?
Are they trying to give apple/hp a niche in the, nice looking, portable, machine market?
The only thing this has going for it is price/performance ratio. If its anything like the xps 16 (core i7 720qm, 4gb ram, 1080p (white), backlit kb, all for 999euro), i guess ill be getting one.
qwe11rty22 - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Never mind, found them.janh84 - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
looks good. Wonder when it will be available in Denmark, Europe, and what the pricing will be at.And also id like some info on the weight of these new laptops. I hope the 15.6" will be at 2.2kg max. I find the 16" SONY VAIO at 3kg too heavy.
janh84 - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
oh nevermind I see the weight info now at the american Dell site : http://www.dell.com/us/p/xps-15/pddata for the 15.6 inch:
Dimensions & Weight
Width: 15" (381mm)
Height: 1.3" (32.2mm) front /1.5" (38.2mm) back)
Depth: 10.4" (265.4mm)
Weight: Starting weight of 6.14lbs. (2.78kg)11 with 6-cell battery; 6.51lbs.(2.96kg)11 with 9-cell battery
.....Thats quite bulky and heavy :( Damn....
seapeople - Friday, October 22, 2010 - link
The extra weight is good for you. Eat some chicken and you'll be fine.prophet001 - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Can anyone explain to me why Dell would release a 15" laptop that has a much higher screen resolution than a 17" laptop? That doesn't make any sense to me. I have an XPS that's about 4 years old and it has a 17" screen with a higher resolution that the one mentioned in this article.Also, could you please implement some sort of language censoring on here. Make it optional if you want but at least the people who want to come to a tech site and read tech articles won't have to be exposed to it if they don't want to.
Thank you,
Preston
mark3450 - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Yeah my 4+ year old XPS 17" laptop has a 1920x1200 screen. Good luck finding a laptop with that resolution these days. Why is it that we've managed to lose screen resolution over time?! I swear the marketing guys must be orgasmic over the fact Joe Public thinks that an "HD" screen is an upgrade rather than a downgrade.Where is my 3840x2400 screen? I want the DPI of the iPhone4 on my computer monitor!
laytoncy - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
I agree completely. My Dell Inspiron 9400 has 1920x1200 and I for one will settle for nothing less. I can see putting this on the 15" but how could you not at least make this an available upgrade for the 17"???kmmatney - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Same here - also have a Inspirin 9400, with 17" 1920 x 1200 screen, and I can't see myself losing the vertical pixels. Especially now with the new MS Office programs taking up some much room with the ribbon bars. I don't mind black bars when watching movies - the extra realestate for getting work done is more important.TotalLamer - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
...well, with the 14" and the 15" anyway.Firstly... why does Dell NEVER offer the top-end dual-core? The i7 620M and now the i7 640M. Why, Dell... WHY?!
Second. In order to get the upgraded graphics in both laptops, you HAVE to get the quad-core chip. Which means no Optimus. Which means awful battery life. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU DELL?!
Thirdly... no 900p option for the 14" Seriously? SERIOUSLY? 1366x768 doesn't cut it. Not at all. Not even close. Why do all laptop manufacturers these days think that 1366x768 is even remotely acceptable for a machine larger than ~12 inches?!
dertechie - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Why 768p? Marketing. They can advertise the thing as an "HD LCD". Joe User eats it up, it's HD! The power users meanwhile grit their teeth as they wait for someone to offer a decent new 16:10.The other thing that needs to happen is Windows need to auto-detect screen size and resolution and set DPI settings accordingly so people don't set 1920x1200 15" screens to 1280x1024. I don't know how people live with non-native res and wrong aspect ratio in LCDs, the artifacts drive me up the wall.
Hilarious thing is that every major browser's next UI iteration is basically stripping out as much top bar stuff as possible. I believe it's because they need to conserve vertical space on 1024x600/1024x768/1366x768 screens, since the internet is more or less vertically oriented.
seapeople - Friday, October 22, 2010 - link
The very fact that the first thing a frighteningly large amount of people would do with a 17" 1920x1080 monitor is to turn it to 1366x768 and live it with being blurry is why we're getting such resolutions standard nowadays.NICOXIS - Monday, October 25, 2010 - link
yeah! totally agree with you TotalL the whole point of Optimus is to be able to use a more powerful GPU with no battery life trade off. But in this case if you want a more powerful GPU you loose both a more efficient CPU and Optimus.Can't understand why Dell did this..
Dug - Monday, October 25, 2010 - link
I actually would buy the 15" if it had the option for an i5 and better graphics. You can do that on the 17".Why would they do this, why force an i7 on the 15". The 15" is the portable one, its the one that needs the graphics switching.
cknobman - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Fail fail fail fail fail fail fail!!!!!More overpriced Dell BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hxx - Friday, October 22, 2010 - link
We will prolly see these at the outlet quite soon after release where they should be considerably cheaper. However I completely hate the design. It looks similar to inspiron they way the lid is situated. I like their current model much better but anyway i believe the deal breaker for at least the 14 inch is the 720p display. I really don't get why they chose this crappy rez. the panel must be expensive or something otherwise it makes no sense.Karmaflute - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Some of the best notebooks I've ever used are discontinued. Why is is that so many nowadays look like mind numbingly bad Macbook ripoffs with absolutely no aesthetic value?C'mon, Dell, HP, Gateway, Lets see some innovation!
debacol - Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - link
Agreed. All this bad design hackery makes me want to fire up my old VPR Matrix again.HauntFox - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
I'm not liking the rounded corners, the old design was edgy and cool, but this looks dull.TonyB - Thursday, October 21, 2010 - link
Magnesium alloy, this shit won't explode on me will it?seapeople - Friday, October 22, 2010 - link
If you throw it in a camp fire it will burn like a mofo after an hour or so.gOOmba - Friday, October 22, 2010 - link
Any hint when it will be available to Canada? (dell.ca)gOOmba - Friday, October 22, 2010 - link
Nevermind, it's on the website as of todayHrel - Sunday, October 24, 2010 - link
Guess what? You are not allowed to configure a laptop with the GT435M GPU and a Core i5 CPU, and wait here's the best part, because of a "compatibility issue"! WTF Dell, WTF! Not to mention even configured with the Core i5, which is more CPU than I'm ever gonna need, it's 1200 bucks when I can go on Cyberpower and get basically the same laptop for 1K. Granted I put 6GB RAM in it, but that's only worth 50 bucks tops.Please get on Dell about this. There's no reason that price should be over 1100, especially with the amount of bloatware these things come with. And there's absolutely NO excuse for claiming a compatibility issue between the GT435M and a Core i5 CPU.
WTF Dell?!
Hrel - Sunday, October 24, 2010 - link
just to be clear, the price isn't WAY out of line, I'd probably just wait for some kind of special to order it. But the "compatibility issue" bothers me on a moral level. Makes me not want to buy from Dell at all. That's the real issue. I am pleased they offer a 1080p screen on the 15" model though, and 6GB of RAM.NICOXIS - Monday, October 25, 2010 - link
it seems like a "profit" compatibility issue more than a technical one, they force you to add an i7 if you want GT435M or force you to buy a GT435M if you want an i7. Plus you loose Optimus, so you will surely want the 9 cell battery option.Really can't see another explanation for this.
heliomphalodon - Sunday, October 24, 2010 - link
ntXajel - Monday, October 25, 2010 - link
Even thought my Experience with Dell laptops is good, in my side or my family/relation side... my next laptop wont be Dell... one of the first reasons is the fact they use a property power supply, so even thought you can use third party ones to power the laptop but that third party ones wont charge the battery... Dell opted for property ID Chip in the charger to identify it so it can control the power sent to the laptop and to the battery in cases you used an under-powered charger for your laptop, for example when your laptop require 90W charger and you used 65W one... this is smart to ensure better power management and longer battery live.. but the problem is when the laptop can't identify the charger ( third party one ), the it will just stop charging the battery and you'll be lifted with a laptop that works only by connecting it to a power socket !!so when your charger fails.. you have to go for Dell's bulky power charger again... and guess what.. sometimes like my self the charger is ok.. working like a charm.. but it wont charge the battery, this happens when the ID chip in the charger fails or when the third thin wire that communicates with the laptop fails too... and this is exactly what happens to me... the wire failed... then the chip failed too... I searched for another nice branded third party charger that is not bulky and I found a very nice one that even has a USB port for charging your USB powered gadgets... but I found that this charger will just power the laptop but will not charge tha battery !! so I was forced to buy another bulky charger from Dell !!
now.. I won't go for Dell laptops again unless they remove this annoying feature or limitation... I'm thinking about ASUS for my next lappy...
ekerazha - Monday, October 25, 2010 - link
I would buy the 14'' model, but it doesn't have USB 3.0 support. I hope that future Sandy Bridge based models will have USB 3.0 support.Member69 - Tuesday, October 26, 2010 - link
Its notebooks like these that make me think why would someone pay twice as much money for something that isn't as good (mac-crook pro) Pass the word, in case nobody noticed.TEAMSWITCHER - Wednesday, November 3, 2010 - link
After checking the specs on these babies, I noticed that these are kinda over weight. Any 15" over 6 1/2 pounds is too heavy. And they look kind thick too. Not to mention ugly.Common Dell! Can't you make anything that is even remotely close to Apple's MacBook Pro?
sthomas - Monday, November 22, 2010 - link
It's looking very beautiful. Its really revolutionary! imagine how thin is that? I think Dell's laptop perform as they advertised to be. I really like those Adamo line but I expect they should be killed for some more improvement .http://www.laptops4review.com
stancilmor - Thursday, November 25, 2010 - link
aside from a using a dell ultra-sharp quality LCD/LED panel why can't manufacturers just do away with the track-pad, push the keyboard forward,and include a wireless logitech mouse.