And their responce to the bending issue is why they are just the best to work with (and buy from) for anything - including RMA's. They are first in that category (customer service) hands down. Over the course of 7 years, I have had to RMA something (at least one item) to ASUS, HIS (the worst by far), Gigabyte and EVGA. EVGA FTW!
You guys should simulate 2-3 months of heavy dust collecting inside a PC case. Then run the furmark power consumption and heat tests. Then you might understand why people want a card like the Calibre X450G.
2-3 months does not make for heavy dust in any of my PC cases. 2-3 years would, but none run that long before getting cleaned out.
The real market for the Calibre would be the silent PC crowd, who would otherwise pay extra for an Accelero (or other aftermarket GPU cooler), and would be happy to pay a smaller premium for a pre-installed cooler- and keep their warranty too.
Since you can get a 5770 from NewEgg for $125 (with rebate) and GTX460 for $170, I don't see why any of these cards make much sense unless they will be heavily discounted.
<quote>Since you can get a 5770 from NewEgg for $125 (with rebate) and GTX460 for $170, I don't see why any of these cards make much sense unless they will be heavily discounted. </quote>
At $130 straight up these GTS450s make plenty of sense (especially if you don't want to deal with the sometimes less than reliable rebate system). They may not be quite as good a value as a $125 HD5770, but they are still a good buy. (particularly if you require an nVidia card) Of course, a GTX460 will net you a healthy performance boost for an equally healthy price bump.
They still do. Look in the part number. If it ends in "AR" it's lifetime warranty, if it's "TR" the warrant is (I think) 2 years. The price difference is generally 10 to 20 dollars, depending upon the base price of the part.
Id rather have a gtx470 super overclock from gigabyte. yeah its twice the price but its more than twice the speed. The gigabyte 470 soc out performs a gtx480 but costs 100 bucks less. So why go out and have to buy 2 450's to get halfway decent performance when you could buy 1 470 and spend the same amount?
First of all, great review on the GTS 450. Not a bad card, but I agree that it's not at the right price. Seems like AMD saw this and the price cut on the GTX 460 768MB coming and got ready with a price cut on the 5770.
Cut the GTS 450 to $120 though and then it would be competitive, since it would be $20 away from the Radeon HD 5770 and only $10 more than a Radeon HD 5750, in both cases just enough to make you consider it. At $130, it's $10 away from a Radeon HD 5770 and going with the 5770 is a no brainer for me.
Bring the GTS 450 down to $110 and its a blockbuster, since it has no problem outperforming the Radeon HD 5750 at the price.
It's not a bad card at all, it's competitive, but it's not the hit that the GTX 460 is, especially now with the 768MB edition at $170.
Anyway, that said, I was wondering: Why not throw some overclocked Radeon HD 5770s performance data in the mix?
I mean, here we see how well the GTS 450 performance scales from stock, to factory overclocked and finally, to manually overclocked with additional voltage.
How about doing the same with a Radeon HD 5770 and compare the performance?
You took a look at the PowerColor Radeon HD 5770 Vertex about three weeks ago (http://www.anandtech.com/show/3868/quick-look-powe... which has a small overclock, which is still enough to improve performance a tad. You could at least add the data from that test in here, no?
Obviously, we all expect the overclocked Radeon HD 5770 to distance itself further away from the GTS 450. The question that I and I'm sure that others are also interested in is: By what % or how many FPS does a manually overclocked Radeon HD 5770 beat an manually overclocked GTS 450?
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gwolfman - Monday, September 13, 2010 - link
When do we get our first single slot Fermi? I'd like one to offload my PhysX. Any ideas?Slash3 - Monday, September 13, 2010 - link
Looks like an error on the first page's chart, the memory clock box for the reference card should be at a 3.6GHz data rate and not 4.6GHz, correct?anactoraaron - Monday, September 13, 2010 - link
And their responce to the bending issue is why they are just the best to work with (and buy from) for anything - including RMA's. They are first in that category (customer service) hands down. Over the course of 7 years, I have had to RMA something (at least one item) to ASUS, HIS (the worst by far), Gigabyte and EVGA. EVGA FTW!Voldenuit - Monday, September 13, 2010 - link
Warping, like all of life's problems, is just a special case of bending.Shadowmaster625 - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 - link
You guys should simulate 2-3 months of heavy dust collecting inside a PC case. Then run the furmark power consumption and heat tests. Then you might understand why people want a card like the Calibre X450G.HangFire - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - link
2-3 months does not make for heavy dust in any of my PC cases. 2-3 years would, but none run that long before getting cleaned out.The real market for the Calibre would be the silent PC crowd, who would otherwise pay extra for an Accelero (or other aftermarket GPU cooler), and would be happy to pay a smaller premium for a pre-installed cooler- and keep their warranty too.
tech6 - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 - link
Since you can get a 5770 from NewEgg for $125 (with rebate) and GTX460 for $170, I don't see why any of these cards make much sense unless they will be heavily discounted.JPForums - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 - link
<quote>Since you can get a 5770 from NewEgg for $125 (with rebate) and GTX460 for $170, I don't see why any of these cards make much sense unless they will be heavily discounted. </quote>At $130 straight up these GTS450s make plenty of sense (especially if you don't want to deal with the sometimes less than reliable rebate system). They may not be quite as good a value as a $125 HD5770, but they are still a good buy. (particularly if you require an nVidia card) Of course, a GTX460 will net you a healthy performance boost for an equally healthy price bump.
Spazweasel - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 - link
They still do. Look in the part number. If it ends in "AR" it's lifetime warranty, if it's "TR" the warrant is (I think) 2 years. The price difference is generally 10 to 20 dollars, depending upon the base price of the part.shin0bi272 - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 - link
Id rather have a gtx470 super overclock from gigabyte. yeah its twice the price but its more than twice the speed. The gigabyte 470 soc out performs a gtx480 but costs 100 bucks less. So why go out and have to buy 2 450's to get halfway decent performance when you could buy 1 470 and spend the same amount?http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
Mathieu Bourgie - Tuesday, September 14, 2010 - link
Ryan,First of all, great review on the GTS 450. Not a bad card, but I agree that it's not at the right price. Seems like AMD saw this and the price cut on the GTX 460 768MB coming and got ready with a price cut on the 5770.
Cut the GTS 450 to $120 though and then it would be competitive, since it would be $20 away from the Radeon HD 5770 and only $10 more than a Radeon HD 5750, in both cases just enough to make you consider it. At $130, it's $10 away from a Radeon HD 5770 and going with the 5770 is a no brainer for me.
Bring the GTS 450 down to $110 and its a blockbuster, since it has no problem outperforming the Radeon HD 5750 at the price.
It's not a bad card at all, it's competitive, but it's not the hit that the GTX 460 is, especially now with the 768MB edition at $170.
Anyway, that said, I was wondering: Why not throw some overclocked Radeon HD 5770s performance data in the mix?
I mean, here we see how well the GTS 450 performance scales from stock, to factory overclocked and finally, to manually overclocked with additional voltage.
How about doing the same with a Radeon HD 5770 and compare the performance?
You took a look at the PowerColor Radeon HD 5770 Vertex about three weeks ago (http://www.anandtech.com/show/3868/quick-look-powe... which has a small overclock, which is still enough to improve performance a tad. You could at least add the data from that test in here, no?
Obviously, we all expect the overclocked Radeon HD 5770 to distance itself further away from the GTS 450. The question that I and I'm sure that others are also interested in is: By what % or how many FPS does a manually overclocked Radeon HD 5770 beat an manually overclocked GTS 450?
azcoyote - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - link
Ryan,What are the chances we could see a roundup of low-profile and/or passively cooled cards?
That segment of cards seems pretty hard to find and pick parts for when building with space constraints.
Thanks!
Wiley
Palitusa - Thursday, September 16, 2010 - link
Palit designed a Low Profile and is the First one to release World Wide.http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8...
It is half the size of GTS450!!
Ryan Smith - Friday, September 17, 2010 - link
I may be getting the Palit low-profile card soon. Stay tuned.Xpl1c1t - Thursday, September 30, 2010 - link
I'm tuned. More low profile cards need to impact the market these days.Mautaznesh - Friday, October 1, 2010 - link
I'd much rather go with an ATi card. Take advantage of the Eyefinity.