Hey, thumbs up for actually acknowledging HPalm still exists, unlike HP themselves.. heh.
The Streak looks like it could have been the ultimate media device. Something to replace the iPod touch. Some of use still like having dedicated devices that don't eat away at the battery life of their smartphones. Oh I miss the days of 3-4 days battery life of dumbphones.
I don't think HP is ignoring Plam's existence, they are just laying low to cooking up something in their sleeve. As far as I know, HP is actively hiring mobile phone software and hardware engineers in Shanghai, China who are dedicated to Plam development. We shall wait and see what they can come up with.
The streak seems to be pretty much a clone of what Archos released back in October or so of last year. Form factor is pretty much identical. While the A5 is still stuck at Android 1.6 and doesn't have a built in 3g module (but can tether via bluetooth, for internet access), it does have an incredible media player and hardware acceleration so it will even play 720p HD via HDMI. It also features a dock system so cost of entry is low, customizability high, plus there's an official open firmware available so you can freely install alternative operating systems (but will lose access to some drm functions).
So it's definitely the most direct competitor for the streak at this point, until its successor arrives this fall. Would be great to get a back to back review, especially now as most of the teething issues the device had due to its early launch are resolved.
This is the perfect form factor. I've been waiting for this much screen realestate. I'm not a kid anymore, so I don't care if a phone takes up my whole pant pocket - I don't mind a bulkier phone to put in my jacket pocket.
If only it had the resolution of the iPhone, I am much more likely to watch a movie on a larger screen, than on a smaller one.
Sometimes I do my Insanity/P90X workouts off my phone too, this large screen size is going to be much better. -- still waiting for these smartphones to have pico projectors and louder speakers, though.
My Streak comes tomorrow. I consider myself an average user of a smartphone. I don't get too involved in which OS it has. I just want to be able to use the internet with ease and not take long to look up a webpage. I find all smartphones hard to use to browse the internet. I am hoping the Streaks larger size will allow me to leave my laptop at home. Having a locked phone doesn't matter to me at all. Aren't Iphones locked? When I get my hands on the Streak tomorrow I will find out if it works for my lifestyle or not. I don't care if Dell, Apple or Hasbro make a smartphone for me as long as it fits my needs.
So Anand, just exactly how stupid would someone look if they held this big phone up to their head? I mean, is it big enough that one can expect snickers or gasps from the people at the next table when making a call? How 'bout a pic to illustrate the actual size of that thing in use?
Perhaps a Streaker would be better off using bluetooth and keeping that whopper in their pocket...
In cameralogic's defense, some us us have and because of that enjoy getting laid from time to time. I for one would like to know if holding this "phone" to my head in public will render my balls useless for anything other than taking up space between my legs. I don't care how funny or charming you are, some things looks so absurd that just about everyone will mock you. I fear Dell is testing the outer limits here.
/sigh. It was a joke. He had a valid question. There is a limit to how big these things can get and still be deemed a phone. Out of curiosity, how large do YOU think that these phones slash tablets can be produced and not seem laughable to hold one to your face? I've been honestly wondering this and I think 5" is probably the breaking point. It seems like an awfully small niche market for Dell to be going after.
With all the driving restrictions that are coming about these days, many people are turning to Bluetooth anyhow.
Besides, remember all those iPhone adds about browsing the web while talking to someone on the phone? Sometimes you'd like to browse the web and still hold a private conversation (not using speakerphone), Bluetooth is the answer again.
If you want to use your phone for a phone, get something else, but I use my phone more for reading/browsing/texting/games than I do to talk to someone. I guess I'm more of an introvert when it comes to phones, because I don't like talking on them, they're just there in case of an emergency for me - the bigger, the better, so long as it can still fit in a pocket and last long enough to do stuff.
I have a Archos 5 IMT (6th gen device, the version without Android) and consider it far too large to carry as a cell phone. I sometimes put it in a shirt pocket at work if I am moving around, but I consider it uncomfortable in a pants pocket, and I do not wear tight pants.
OTOH, just over a year go I was using it at a coffee shop and someone asked me if it was a phone. I responded No, who would want to carry a phone this large? Now people are...
It's not terrible. I actually planned on taking a shot similar to what you just asked for but it slipped my mind at the last minute. I'll try to take one tomorrow.
HP's Rahul Sood described it best - it's like you're ironing your face :)
More than anything it's just clumsy to pull out of your pocket and quickly answer the phone with.
This whole thread is rediculous. Anand, you surely remember the days of the gray minibrick Motorola 'flip phones,' the ones that were around before the StarTac. Anyone older than their mid-20s probably won't, and shouldn't, care. If this thing looks silly when help to make a call then all you have to do is show someone the screen to make it seem not silly ;)
this reminds me a little of one of the very first smartphones, the original handspring Treo. It was a huge phone at the time, very wide; when you used it as a phone it looked like you were holding a small laptop to your face.
Five inch screen, I imagined 960x 540 pixels or something like that. With that much screen real-estate I think that web pages could still be readable and have more of the pages covered thus reducing scrolling. Ether way personally I like the format and if DELL resolve it's performance problems with Android 2.2 I will be very interested.
Useful review - and good call on the button size which no other review bothered to mention. However how come you didn't try the Dell 2.1 build 6941 firmware which has been online for a while now? Here's a link to it:
It *does* have bugs, hence why Dell haven't released it proper. Here's hoping that enough of you Americans buy the Streak to get a Cyanogenmod port working for the Streak ... so far the Brits haven't done much other than complain (if you look at the cyanogenmod forums).
In all seriousness, though, I don't see this device becoming a huge seller. It's simply too large to become popular with the public and so will probably be relegated to the few people like us who appreciate the advantages of such a device and to some corporate users.
You stated that this will work for GSM carriers other than AT&T but other sites reported that it is "officially" SIM-locked to AT&T. Could you clarify this?
Sorry, that's a deal killer for me. I like the fact that all of my mobile devices now come with a standard micro usb connector for which I only have to carry ONE cable and for which I'm not held hostage by the device maker if I need it replaced.
I can run to my local Microcenter and get 4 micro USB cables for $9 a piece. That's one for the house, office, car and my backpack.
How much do you think Dell is going to charge you for a replacement USB to 30-pin cable?
I was under the impression that all phone makers were moving towards the standard mini/micro/whatever it's called usb port on phones for sync/charge etc?
I believe in Europe they mandated this, but enforcement starts in 2011. Also here is how it works:
First option is a charger with a *fixed* cable that must terminate with a Micro-USB plug. How this connects to the phone is outside the scope of the EU mandate, it can be a direct connection or through an adapter.
The second option is that a *detachable* cable is used that connects to the *charger* using a standard USB A connection. Where the phone does not have a Micro-USB charging port and an adapter would be required, this cable is allowed to *be* the adapter; in other words it can terminate with a proprietary plug, it doesn't have to be a Micro-USB plug if the cable is detachable. An example of this is the existing iPhone charger.
If I am forced to use AT&T then I'm not buying it. Being a techie I get razzed all the time about my ancient V195 flip phone. I'm not succumbing to the subsidy scam that goes on in pretty much only the USA. I want a choice and if companies want to force you to use a specific carrier to get their phone and allow those carriers to cripple the OS/phone then they won't have me as a customer. I work from home so my PC will blow away any smart phone no matter what the challenge.
Sorry to barge in with my un-related request. But, is there any chance you will be reviewing the Samsung Vibrant/Captivate? I was interested in an AnandTech review of Samsung Galaxy S GT-I9000, but I assume any closest phone will do.
I second this request for a review of the Captivate/Vibrant. Thanks for the informative review of the Streak, but I'm not sure why you guys reviewed the Dell Streak first when the Captivate/Vibrant have been out for almost a month now... I would love to hear Anandtech's opinion of the Captivate/Vibrant or even Epic 4G :)
Where does the Streak get its excellent battery life from? At first I thought "big device - big battery", but it's not that much higher capacity than the Nexus One (5.661 vs 5.18 Whr). They both use the Snapdragon platform so internally, the Streak looks like just a Nexus One with a bigger screen. Is it all due to software optimizations, or are there other significant differences hardware-wise?
Why not have the phone be with multiple carriers instead of this exclusivity BS. I like the fact that the device has two cameras for things like mobile skype and the battery seems decent. The keyboard if it is as bad as the review says, hopefully can be updated.
I would buy a version without the phone as I use a prepaid phone for $50 a month unlimited everything. AT&T is the worst network out there. I would love to have a nice tablet PC without the phone and would pay $300. Just to surf the web and have a GPS and video watching device.
Anand, thanks for another great review I didn't expect from the site. I've been seeing commerical after commerical on the new Samsung Galaxy S phones, would it be possible to review one of them some time?
Also I think it would be a good idea to have a Bench for the cell phones too! Only dreaming :)
hey, don't want to be a downer, but what about the Archos5. You can get a version with cell phone and it has all the multimedia goodness going for it. the only thing missing is a camera. Thoughts?
1 its on ATT bad network and bad CS 2 the screen is really way to low on resolution. A 3.6" old touch pro 2 runs the same resolution. I do want a 5" screen but not if it comes with no added pixels. That makes this phone completely worthless I could purchase any of the many high end smartphones out there and get this resolution in a smaller package.
Once again a great review. Isn't the omission of the Samsung Galaxy S from the benchmarks a glaring one. Considering it is one of the fastest phones with one the best displays out there? Not to mention that it is also available from AT&T for $199. In fact its available from amazon for $50 with a two year contract :).
A Galaxy S review! Like to see where it sits next to all these other phones in the benches, and Anand's overall thoughts. Seeing as I recently bought a Captivate.
Oh, yes, they call him the Streak. He likes to show off his physique. If there's an audience to be found He'll be streakin' A-round invitin' public critique.
palm's still in business? still relying on their crappy email programs? they're down there with blackberry (and their retarded server licensing fees for exchange setups) in my book.
strange to see dell churning out a phone, let me guess, the browser homepage is their website and its riddled with tracking cookies.
but it is nice to see them pushing past the envelope of ridiculously tiny screens.
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randomlinh - Sunday, August 15, 2010 - link
Hey, thumbs up for actually acknowledging HPalm still exists, unlike HP themselves.. heh.The Streak looks like it could have been the ultimate media device. Something to replace the iPod touch. Some of use still like having dedicated devices that don't eat away at the battery life of their smartphones. Oh I miss the days of 3-4 days battery life of dumbphones.
swang1942 - Sunday, August 15, 2010 - link
I don't think HP is ignoring Plam's existence, they are just laying low to cooking up something in their sleeve. As far as I know, HP is actively hiring mobile phone software and hardware engineers in Shanghai, China who are dedicated to Plam development. We shall wait and see what they can come up with.Rick83 - Sunday, August 15, 2010 - link
The streak seems to be pretty much a clone of what Archos released back in October or so of last year. Form factor is pretty much identical. While the A5 is still stuck at Android 1.6 and doesn't have a built in 3g module (but can tether via bluetooth, for internet access), it does have an incredible media player and hardware acceleration so it will even play 720p HD via HDMI. It also features a dock system so cost of entry is low, customizability high, plus there's an official open firmware available so you can freely install alternative operating systems (but will lose access to some drm functions).So it's definitely the most direct competitor for the streak at this point, until its successor arrives this fall. Would be great to get a back to back review, especially now as most of the teething issues the device had due to its early launch are resolved.
vol7ron - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
This is the perfect form factor. I've been waiting for this much screen realestate. I'm not a kid anymore, so I don't care if a phone takes up my whole pant pocket - I don't mind a bulkier phone to put in my jacket pocket.If only it had the resolution of the iPhone, I am much more likely to watch a movie on a larger screen, than on a smaller one.
Sometimes I do my Insanity/P90X workouts off my phone too, this large screen size is going to be much better. -- still waiting for these smartphones to have pico projectors and louder speakers, though.
Souka - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
Streak?I hope it doesn't come in a color like brown! ;)
donzi7000 - Sunday, August 15, 2010 - link
My Streak comes tomorrow. I consider myself an average user of a smartphone. I don't get too involved in which OS it has. I just want to be able to use the internet with ease and not take long to look up a webpage. I find all smartphones hard to use to browse the internet. I am hoping the Streaks larger size will allow me to leave my laptop at home. Having a locked phone doesn't matter to me at all. Aren't Iphones locked? When I get my hands on the Streak tomorrow I will find out if it works for my lifestyle or not. I don't care if Dell, Apple or Hasbro make a smartphone for me as long as it fits my needs.SirKronan - Thursday, August 19, 2010 - link
Enjoy your new streak! It looks like a really nice-big screen.I'm still waiting anxiously for Anand to review one of the Galaxy S variants!! Thanks for the good review on the Dell, though.
cameralogic - Sunday, August 15, 2010 - link
So Anand, just exactly how stupid would someone look if they held this big phone up to their head? I mean, is it big enough that one can expect snickers or gasps from the people at the next table when making a call? How 'bout a pic to illustrate the actual size of that thing in use?Perhaps a Streaker would be better off using bluetooth and keeping that whopper in their pocket...
donzi7000 - Sunday, August 15, 2010 - link
How about growing some balls and stop worrying about what people think of you?user_x - Sunday, August 15, 2010 - link
In cameralogic's defense, some us us have and because of that enjoy getting laid from time to time. I for one would like to know if holding this "phone" to my head in public will render my balls useless for anything other than taking up space between my legs. I don't care how funny or charming you are, some things looks so absurd that just about everyone will mock you. I fear Dell is testing the outer limits here.donzi7000 - Sunday, August 15, 2010 - link
If a cell phone stops you from getting laid you have major problems user-x.user_x - Sunday, August 15, 2010 - link
/sigh. It was a joke. He had a valid question. There is a limit to how big these things can get and still be deemed a phone. Out of curiosity, how large do YOU think that these phones slash tablets can be produced and not seem laughable to hold one to your face? I've been honestly wondering this and I think 5" is probably the breaking point. It seems like an awfully small niche market for Dell to be going after.vol7ron - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
With all the driving restrictions that are coming about these days, many people are turning to Bluetooth anyhow.Besides, remember all those iPhone adds about browsing the web while talking to someone on the phone? Sometimes you'd like to browse the web and still hold a private conversation (not using speakerphone), Bluetooth is the answer again.
If you want to use your phone for a phone, get something else, but I use my phone more for reading/browsing/texting/games than I do to talk to someone. I guess I'm more of an introvert when it comes to phones, because I don't like talking on them, they're just there in case of an emergency for me - the bigger, the better, so long as it can still fit in a pocket and last long enough to do stuff.
strikeback03 - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
I have a Archos 5 IMT (6th gen device, the version without Android) and consider it far too large to carry as a cell phone. I sometimes put it in a shirt pocket at work if I am moving around, but I consider it uncomfortable in a pants pocket, and I do not wear tight pants.OTOH, just over a year go I was using it at a coffee shop and someone asked me if it was a phone. I responded No, who would want to carry a phone this large? Now people are...
damianrobertjones - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
I'm sitting next to a HD2 which is 4.3". An extra 0.7" seems a small price to pay and shouldn't look silly.Either way, everyone that see's the phone says, "Ohhh, whats that...", then pauses, before adding, "Why didn't you get an iPhone?"
My reply of, "I don't want my pc to have an extra 6 services and bloatware" usually gets met with a blank look. I will, one day, own a streak
cameralogic - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
I don't think user-x is the one with the major problems here, troll7000...Anand Lal Shimpi - Sunday, August 15, 2010 - link
It's not terrible. I actually planned on taking a shot similar to what you just asked for but it slipped my mind at the last minute. I'll try to take one tomorrow.HP's Rahul Sood described it best - it's like you're ironing your face :)
More than anything it's just clumsy to pull out of your pocket and quickly answer the phone with.
Take care,
Anand
MadMan007 - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
This whole thread is rediculous. Anand, you surely remember the days of the gray minibrick Motorola 'flip phones,' the ones that were around before the StarTac. Anyone older than their mid-20s probably won't, and shouldn't, care. If this thing looks silly when help to make a call then all you have to do is show someone the screen to make it seem not silly ;)johnsonx - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
this reminds me a little of one of the very first smartphones, the original handspring Treo. It was a huge phone at the time, very wide; when you used it as a phone it looked like you were holding a small laptop to your face.FilipK959 - Sunday, August 15, 2010 - link
Five inch screen, I imagined 960x 540 pixels or something like that. With that much screen real-estate I think that web pages could still be readable and have more of the pages covered thus reducing scrolling. Ether way personally I like the format and if DELL resolve it's performance problems with Android 2.2 I will be very interested.ned14 - Sunday, August 15, 2010 - link
Useful review - and good call on the button size which no other review bothered to mention. However how come you didn't try the Dell 2.1 build 6941 firmware which has been online for a while now? Here's a link to it:http://www.mediafire.com/file/bb9cvm5uaap2z8k/upda...
It *does* have bugs, hence why Dell haven't released it proper. Here's hoping that enough of you Americans buy the Streak to get a Cyanogenmod port working for the Streak ... so far the Brits haven't done much other than complain (if you look at the cyanogenmod forums).
Cheers,
Niall
Goty - Sunday, August 15, 2010 - link
Brits complain about Americans? Noooooooo....=P
In all seriousness, though, I don't see this device becoming a huge seller. It's simply too large to become popular with the public and so will probably be relegated to the few people like us who appreciate the advantages of such a device and to some corporate users.
neogodless2 - Sunday, August 15, 2010 - link
You stated that this will work for GSM carriers other than AT&T but other sites reported that it is "officially" SIM-locked to AT&T. Could you clarify this?Anand Lal Shimpi - Sunday, August 15, 2010 - link
Hmm the t-mobile support part came from Dell, let me clarify and update tomorrow.Take care,
Anand
Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
Dell just responded - you're correct, all Streak devices are carrier locked to AT&T. I've updated the article.Take care,
Anand
JHBoricua - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
Sorry, that's a deal killer for me. I like the fact that all of my mobile devices now come with a standard micro usb connector for which I only have to carry ONE cable and for which I'm not held hostage by the device maker if I need it replaced.I can run to my local Microcenter and get 4 micro USB cables for $9 a piece. That's one for the house, office, car and my backpack.
How much do you think Dell is going to charge you for a replacement USB to 30-pin cable?
s44 - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
Who cares how much Dell will charge? Monoprice will charge a lot less.medi01 - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
" the Streak doesn’t perform anywhere close to the Nexus One, HTC Incredible or Droid X. Let’s forget about comparing it to the iPhone 4 or iPad."Should you've said "forget about Nexus One"?
damianrobertjones - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
I was under the impression that all phone makers were moving towards the standard mini/micro/whatever it's called usb port on phones for sync/charge etc?I really wish they would...
JHBoricua - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
I believe in Europe they mandated this, but enforcement starts in 2011. Also here is how it works:First option is a charger with a *fixed* cable that must terminate with a Micro-USB plug. How this connects to the phone is outside the scope of the EU mandate, it can be a direct connection or through an adapter.
The second option is that a *detachable* cable is used that connects to the *charger* using a standard USB A connection. Where the phone does not have a Micro-USB charging port and an adapter would be required, this cable is allowed to *be* the adapter; in other words it can terminate with a proprietary plug, it doesn't have to be a Micro-USB plug if the cable is detachable. An example of this is the existing iPhone charger.
Source: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/08/europe-univ...
jmunjr - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
If I am forced to use AT&T then I'm not buying it. Being a techie I get razzed all the time about my ancient V195 flip phone. I'm not succumbing to the subsidy scam that goes on in pretty much only the USA. I want a choice and if companies want to force you to use a specific carrier to get their phone and allow those carriers to cripple the OS/phone then they won't have me as a customer. I work from home so my PC will blow away any smart phone no matter what the challenge.cjb110 - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
could try importing an European one? Try www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=196312Adul - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
Any followup going to be done on phones that have upgraded to Froyo like the evo, droid and soon incredible?nilesh_dd - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
Sorry to barge in with my un-related request. But, is there any chance you will be reviewing the Samsung Vibrant/Captivate? I was interested in an AnandTech review of Samsung Galaxy S GT-I9000, but I assume any closest phone will do.Thanks
Nilesh
wildkarrde21 - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
I second this request for a review of the Captivate/Vibrant. Thanks for the informative review of the Streak, but I'm not sure why you guys reviewed the Dell Streak first when the Captivate/Vibrant have been out for almost a month now... I would love to hear Anandtech's opinion of the Captivate/Vibrant or even Epic 4G :)Anand Lal Shimpi - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
The Epic 4G should be here this week - expect a review later this month :)Take care,
Anand
JimmiG - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
Where does the Streak get its excellent battery life from? At first I thought "big device - big battery", but it's not that much higher capacity than the Nexus One (5.661 vs 5.18 Whr). They both use the Snapdragon platform so internally, the Streak looks like just a Nexus One with a bigger screen. Is it all due to software optimizations, or are there other significant differences hardware-wise?Imaginer - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
Why not have the phone be with multiple carriers instead of this exclusivity BS. I like the fact that the device has two cameras for things like mobile skype and the battery seems decent. The keyboard if it is as bad as the review says, hopefully can be updated.adonn78 - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
I would buy a version without the phone as I use a prepaid phone for $50 a month unlimited everything. AT&T is the worst network out there. I would love to have a nice tablet PC without the phone and would pay $300. Just to surf the web and have a GPS and video watching device.brianmc - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
Anand, thanks for another great review I didn't expect from the site. I've been seeing commerical after commerical on the new Samsung Galaxy S phones, would it be possible to review one of them some time?Also I think it would be a good idea to have a Bench for the cell phones too! Only dreaming :)
RyanE - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
hey, don't want to be a downer, but what about the Archos5. You can get a version with cell phone and it has all the multimedia goodness going for it. the only thing missing is a camera. Thoughts?repatch - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
Propriety docking connector and LOCK TO ATT even at the full price??MAJOR FAIL.
dch58 - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
Carrier locked to AT&T? I was pretty excited until I got to that part. I could even live with the proprietary cable (though I wouldn't like it).Great article, though!
fearsome - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
1 its on ATT bad network and bad CS2 the screen is really way to low on resolution. A 3.6" old touch pro 2 runs the same resolution. I do want a 5" screen but not if it comes with no added pixels. That makes this phone completely worthless I could purchase any of the many high end smartphones out there and get this resolution in a smaller package.
fragemall - Monday, August 16, 2010 - link
Hi AnandOnce again a great review. Isn't the omission of the Samsung Galaxy S from the benchmarks a glaring one. Considering it is one of the fastest phones with one the best displays out there? Not to mention that it is also available from AT&T for $199. In fact its available from amazon for $50 with a two year contract :).
Stas - Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - link
2.2 or GTFOAndrej Gabara - Tuesday, August 17, 2010 - link
Any news on the 7 and 10 inch versions? I'd love a 7 inch version with higherresolution. The iPad only has 1024x768... not great for 10 inches.
bill4 - Thursday, August 19, 2010 - link
A Galaxy S review! Like to see where it sits next to all these other phones in the benches, and Anand's overall thoughts. Seeing as I recently bought a Captivate.evalese - Friday, August 20, 2010 - link
Oh, yes, they call him the Streak. He likes to show off his physique. If there's an audience to be foundHe'll be streakin' A-round invitin' public critique.
DoubleVanos - Saturday, August 21, 2010 - link
This might be a little bit O/T but how come there are no Galaxy S benchmarks in there - or a full review for that matter?araczynski - Sunday, August 22, 2010 - link
palm's still in business? still relying on their crappy email programs? they're down there with blackberry (and their retarded server licensing fees for exchange setups) in my book.strange to see dell churning out a phone, let me guess, the browser homepage is their website and its riddled with tracking cookies.
but it is nice to see them pushing past the envelope of ridiculously tiny screens.