Ugh, this is so ugly. Why do consumer electronics makers insist on glossy finishes? You take it out of the box and it will look like crap for the rest of its life.
I second that, looks cheesy! Matte is much better. That goes for glossy screens also, it may increase sharpness and look good, but a little bit of light and you cant see the screen and are blinded. Horrible!!
That they have the fan positioned to "suck" on the heatsink rather then "blow' But that would make more sense to reduce the amount of dust intake into the system, especially lying horizontally.
And gloss finishes rules, why the hell does everyone else have to always touch everything and then gripe about fingerprints?
Maybe you can use your Jedi mind power to move the unit from the box to your TV cabinet, but that's all touching that's needed to ruin oil it up for life.
I agree with this. I rather hate my xbox360's massive power brick (the 150W is smaller than the 203W I still have, and apparently doesn't need a fan, either).
Also, I am, too, looking forward to pics of the IHS lifted off, to see if it's a monolithic CPU/GPU die, or is it a multi chip module?
1. Do you know how big the fan is? Is it 80, 90, or 120mm?
1a. Is the fan sucking cool air through the side panel like a traditional cpu fan or is reversed? Meaning its blowing hot air from the side panel.
1b. Could you possibly put some temperature diodes inside the xbox case (closed) to monitor how warm the ambient temperature is also how hot the intergrated cpu/gpu gets when in idle and when running a game?
2. How much ram does the onboard flash have? Is it still 512MB just like the jasper consoles?
3. Were you able to lift the heatsheld off the GPU/CPU to see if the chips like the CPU, GPU, and Edram were all integrated into one die, or are they separate dies?.
4. Could you possibly test the bandwidth for the wireless n module. To do the test you would need to run DD-WRT or a router that monitors the current bandwidth. Connect the xbox to WMC, and stream a high bitrate video from the PC to the Xbox console. You should be able to read the avgs from the router.
4. Whats your email address. I cant find it anywhere?
Look at the freaking pictures, its obvious the way the fan is laid out that its sucking air through the side vents and pulling it through the heatsink, not blowing down on the heat sink and out of the vents.
Looking at the pictures what do you all think, does it look better or about the same? Im a noobie on the 360 and have stayed away from it because of hardware problems so I am sort of curious.
I dont know, honestly I think the matte old Elite maybe looks better (I think the old Elite is pretty much the best looking console ever) which is another reason I'm resisting jumping on the bandwagon and selling my old Elite and getting one of these like so many people seem to be doing.
But it's hard to resist the lure of just something shiny and new...
Regardless, these seem to be selling like hotcakes, and the Ps3 slim did well too (though to be fair that was accompanied by a $100 price drop). It seems just redesigning the system alone can spur a lot of sales from repeat buyers and new excitement around the system.
I wouldn't worry about hardware problems, I've had a 360 since launch and only had one RROD in 4.5 years ("only" lol) and that was a easy and free two week process to get replaced. And that was like 3 years ago on my launch Arcade. And I dont have any concerns about my Elite I bought a couple years ago at all. As I understand it since the Jasper chipset RROD is basically a solved problem, and Jasper chipset failure rates are very low, in line with any other electronics or consoles now. And all 360's sold have been Jaspers for years. If anything I might be a little more worried about one of these new units since theyre untested, but I wouldn't be worried about either one.
Look at the freaking pictures, its obvious the way the fan is laid out that its sucking air through the side vents and pulling it through the heatsink, not blowing down on the heat sink and out of the vents.
Thanks for the pics just a small suggestion for you or your webmaster. The Gallery pics when using the "Previous" and "Next" functions refreshes the page and scroll/rejustifies the browser to the top of the page, so you have to scroll down again to expose the "Next" button again. After 4-5 refreshes this can become quite tedious.
A better solution would be to keep the same scroll pointer on a page refresh or to move the Previous and Next buttons above the pictures instead.
With the Ps3 slim Sony went to all 45nm (I think?) while MS was still stuck on like 65/80. But Now MS has leapfrogged a step ahead, with presumably all 45nm AND a combined CPU/GPU on one package.
That with all the hardware saving 360 slim surely brings, they didn't kick a 50 dollar price drop our way.
Kinect screws everything up though pricing wise. I'm convinced if Kinect had never entered MS plans, we would definitely see a price drop this fall, and very well might have seen one in 2009 too. As of now because they'll probably need to heavily bundle Kinect, and they're probably waiting to see if Kinect demand is so high they can overcharge for it, etc etc etc, the whole normal pricing curve they would be going down is on indefinite hold. For example, one option theyre probably looking at is bundling Kinect for "free". But it wont be "free" of course, it just means we wont get the price drop that would have happened this fall had Kinect never existed.
Is the power supply still only 120V? I'm about to go abroad and was planning on taking a 360 and acquiring a PSU abroad. I'm curious if this will remedy that.
The earlier low-res pics... I thought the new 360-slim was kind of ugly.
Now, high-res with excellent lighting form this article, its even UGLIER... how hard is it to design something?
The new PS3-Slim looks... slim and better, for the most part over the original. The 360-slim is more like a 360-Midget. And with it standing up, it seems even more unstable when it comes to loading and unloading discs. This is where the slot-load makes life easier.
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dusteater - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - link
Ugh, this is so ugly. Why do consumer electronics makers insist on glossy finishes? You take it out of the box and it will look like crap for the rest of its life.Please, make matte finish devices!!!!
microking4u - Thursday, June 24, 2010 - link
I second that, looks cheesy! Matte is much better. That goes for glossy screens also, it may increase sharpness and look good, but a little bit of light and you cant see the screen and are blinded. Horrible!!Freezebyte - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - link
That they have the fan positioned to "suck" on the heatsink rather then "blow' But that would make more sense to reduce the amount of dust intake into the system, especially lying horizontally.And gloss finishes rules, why the hell does everyone else have to always touch everything and then gripe about fingerprints?
Taft12 - Friday, June 18, 2010 - link
Maybe you can use your Jedi mind power to move the unit from the box to your TV cabinet, but that's all touching that's needed to ruin oil it up for life.Freezebyte - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - link
Also, your tab photo's are not matching up to the enlarged photo's when you click on the thumbnail images FYIstalker27 - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - link
2nd page should start wit 21, not 1.... but if you add 20 to the url of the enlarged pic you'll get to the real image of the second pageAnand Lal Shimpi - Friday, June 18, 2010 - link
This bug has been fixed, thank you guys for being patient with us!Take care,
Anand
thrust2night - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - link
Anand: Are you working on a review for the HTC Evo 4G? I've been waiting for it since Vivek posts his impressions about the device.Anand Lal Shimpi - Friday, June 18, 2010 - link
I just got my EVO 4G yesterday, having some activation issues right now but as soon as I get them resolved I'll be on it!Take care,
Anand
DigitalFreak - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - link
I still don't understand why they can't do an internal power supply. The PS3 slim I have has one and the console is smaller than the 360.jeremyshaw - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - link
I agree with this. I rather hate my xbox360's massive power brick (the 150W is smaller than the 203W I still have, and apparently doesn't need a fan, either).Also, I am, too, looking forward to pics of the IHS lifted off, to see if it's a monolithic CPU/GPU die, or is it a multi chip module?
Belard - Sunday, June 20, 2010 - link
The PS3 always had an internal PSU... If the 360 had an internal PSU, the failure rates would even worse by the heat generated.qb2k5 - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - link
1. Do you know how big the fan is? Is it 80, 90, or 120mm?1a. Is the fan sucking cool air through the side panel like a traditional cpu fan or is reversed? Meaning its blowing hot air from the side panel.
1b. Could you possibly put some temperature diodes inside the xbox case (closed) to monitor how warm the ambient temperature is also how hot the intergrated cpu/gpu gets when in idle and when running a game?
2. How much ram does the onboard flash have? Is it still 512MB just like the jasper consoles?
3. Were you able to lift the heatsheld off the GPU/CPU to see if the chips like the CPU, GPU, and Edram were all integrated into one die, or are they separate dies?.
4. Could you possibly test the bandwidth for the wireless n module. To do the test you would need to run DD-WRT or a router that monitors the current bandwidth. Connect the xbox to WMC, and stream a high bitrate video from the PC to the Xbox console. You should be able to read the avgs from the router.
4. Whats your email address. I cant find it anywhere?
Thanks Anand
Freezebyte - Friday, June 18, 2010 - link
Look at the freaking pictures, its obvious the way the fan is laid out that its sucking air through the side vents and pulling it through the heatsink, not blowing down on the heat sink and out of the vents.just4U - Thursday, June 17, 2010 - link
Looking at the pictures what do you all think, does it look better or about the same? Im a noobie on the 360 and have stayed away from it because of hardware problems so I am sort of curious.bill4 - Friday, June 18, 2010 - link
I dont know, honestly I think the matte old Elite maybe looks better (I think the old Elite is pretty much the best looking console ever) which is another reason I'm resisting jumping on the bandwagon and selling my old Elite and getting one of these like so many people seem to be doing.But it's hard to resist the lure of just something shiny and new...
Regardless, these seem to be selling like hotcakes, and the Ps3 slim did well too (though to be fair that was accompanied by a $100 price drop). It seems just redesigning the system alone can spur a lot of sales from repeat buyers and new excitement around the system.
I wouldn't worry about hardware problems, I've had a 360 since launch and only had one RROD in 4.5 years ("only" lol) and that was a easy and free two week process to get replaced. And that was like 3 years ago on my launch Arcade. And I dont have any concerns about my Elite I bought a couple years ago at all. As I understand it since the Jasper chipset RROD is basically a solved problem, and Jasper chipset failure rates are very low, in line with any other electronics or consoles now. And all 360's sold have been Jaspers for years. If anything I might be a little more worried about one of these new units since theyre untested, but I wouldn't be worried about either one.
Freezebyte - Friday, June 18, 2010 - link
Look at the freaking pictures, its obvious the way the fan is laid out that its sucking air through the side vents and pulling it through the heatsink, not blowing down on the heat sink and out of the vents.chizow - Friday, June 18, 2010 - link
Thanks for the pics just a small suggestion for you or your webmaster. The Gallery pics when using the "Previous" and "Next" functions refreshes the page and scroll/rejustifies the browser to the top of the page, so you have to scroll down again to expose the "Next" button again. After 4-5 refreshes this can become quite tedious.A better solution would be to keep the same scroll pointer on a page refresh or to move the Previous and Next buttons above the pictures instead.
Anand Lal Shimpi - Friday, June 18, 2010 - link
The gallery is definitely in need of improvement, thankfully we have this and more on the list to be fixed in the coming weeks :)We want to ultimately get rid of page refreshes on the gallery just as we did with page refreshes for posting replies to comments. All in due time :)
Take care,
Anand
bill4 - Friday, June 18, 2010 - link
With the Ps3 slim Sony went to all 45nm (I think?) while MS was still stuck on like 65/80. But Now MS has leapfrogged a step ahead, with presumably all 45nm AND a combined CPU/GPU on one package.bill4 - Friday, June 18, 2010 - link
That with all the hardware saving 360 slim surely brings, they didn't kick a 50 dollar price drop our way.Kinect screws everything up though pricing wise. I'm convinced if Kinect had never entered MS plans, we would definitely see a price drop this fall, and very well might have seen one in 2009 too. As of now because they'll probably need to heavily bundle Kinect, and they're probably waiting to see if Kinect demand is so high they can overcharge for it, etc etc etc, the whole normal pricing curve they would be going down is on indefinite hold. For example, one option theyre probably looking at is bundling Kinect for "free". But it wont be "free" of course, it just means we wont get the price drop that would have happened this fall had Kinect never existed.
adcurtin - Friday, June 18, 2010 - link
Is the power supply still only 120V? I'm about to go abroad and was planning on taking a 360 and acquiring a PSU abroad. I'm curious if this will remedy that.webmastir - Friday, June 18, 2010 - link
awesome job. thanks for the info anandBelard - Friday, June 18, 2010 - link
The earlier low-res pics... I thought the new 360-slim was kind of ugly.Now, high-res with excellent lighting form this article, its even UGLIER... how hard is it to design something?
The new PS3-Slim looks... slim and better, for the most part over the original. The 360-slim is more like a 360-Midget. And with it standing up, it seems even more unstable when it comes to loading and unloading discs. This is where the slot-load makes life easier.
Belard - Friday, June 18, 2010 - link
Okay, just went over the photos..Boy, upgrading the HD is a whole lot harder than on a PS3... a single screw.
Got a better name for the 360-slim... er not so-slim. The PS3 slim *IS* slim and sexy.
Lets call it the 360-Midget!
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