Doesn't EIST offer better power savings over what DES does?
The Q9650 has a multiplier of 9 meaning that when EIST is on, its clock speed will be reduced by 1000 Mhz. I'm just curious if that's not a better power saving option for a computer that is mostly idle (internet, word processing mentioned in the article). As I understand it, EIST needs to be shut off.
Not really, these processors are now so efficient at idle that the core speed reduction does little to save extra power. Gigabyte have sorted out the EIST/C1E and DES issue in the latest BIOS. You can now have all 3 on simultaneously. Unlike the previous releases..
You said at the very top "Our initial reaction to Gigabyte's DES (Dynamic Energy Saver) software was stated in the GA-X48T-DQ6 review a few weeks ago." Where exactly did you say that? What did you say?
I've searched for any mention of it, and I can't find it. I've even used Google!
I'm getting the impression that this is yet another example of Anandtech bullshitting us by saying they said something that they didn't say. If I just can't read, then point out where you said something about the DES software in GA-X48T-DQ6 review. Otherwise, stop printing bullshit. I'm sick of wasting my time trying to track down stuff that you claim you said in different articles.
Nevermind. I just found it on the second page. You called it by the wrong name, though. No wonder I couldn't find it! So did you screw up or hadn't Gigabyte settled on the name yet?
If you called it by the wrong name, why didn't you point that out or fix it? Even if Gigabyte changed the name, why didn't you point out that you used the old name in the previous article?
I have corrected the misname in the last review. In terms of trying to deceive readers - i think you could not be further from the truth. We are human and sometimes mistakes do slip through. In this case the results of the mistake are not likely to have caused a massive misconception that brings harm to the end user. I have searched the web for both GA-X48T-DQ6 reviews and DES write ups. Needless to say, the depth of our articles is far in excess in all instances and actually tells the truth as we see it. I have not seen anyone else get to grips with the DES or the BIOS in a way that we have managed at Anandtech. Sorry for the mistake, thanks for pointing it out.
Sorry, I did not mean to suggest that you were intentionally deceiving your readers - just that you were being careless with the mundane, simple facts. I'm not as experienced as some of your readers, but little mistakes can cause big problems for me trying to get started understanding the articles.
quote: Needless to say, the depth of our articles is far in excess in all instances...
I don't doubt that. For me, your article starts out too deep, though. (Well, actually, it starts out with fluff about Al Gore, etc., then suddenly goes too deep.) Someone in the forums pointed me to http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1272/gigabyte_s_...">this TweakTown article, which is a good introduction for me. Maybe you are targeting readers who would already know everything that was said in that article, but I didn't. Now that I have read that article, I am in a much better position to understand yours. I wasn't before.
I was frustrated earlier because I had been hoping to find basic background information about DES in the previous Anandtech GA-X48T-DQ6 review, but couldn't find the comment about DES (due to the mistake in the software's name) at first, then found it wasn't that helpful to me once I did find it.
I'm sorry if the mark-up codes I'm using here aren't the correct ones. I'm uses the same mark-up codes that work in the forum. The javascript isn't inserting them here for me.
Why is it that motherboard manufacturers' overclocking software must always look like it comes out of a 3rd-rate sci-fi movie? Bulbous, way too colorful, with all kinds of buttons in odd places and not at all looking like a normal program that a normal person would want to use. It looks SO amateurish. All of the "real" software companies realized long ago that as long as we have 2D displays, it's going to be most efficient to have windows in the shape of rectangles instead of circles or other odd shapes. Give me a simple gray box with a few sliders, and the close/minimize/etc. buttons in their right positions, please!
It's an interesting concept, but the test rig is not what I would pick if I was worried about power. Water cooling? 8800GTS? 1000W Power Supply? Sounds more like my gaming rig which is only on when I play. Best way to save power on a behemoth system is to turn it off.
If you are worried about power, select an appropriate video card, the 8300GS at 24 watts or the HD2400Pro at 10 watts for example. A quality active PFC 350 Watt power supply and 1 or 2 fans for cooling. A nice, quiet low power system. It's no gaming rig, but who needs a gaming rig for email, web, movies, coding, etc ... the stuff we do all day.
""Stable power draw is in the region of 2200W when both units have reached cooling capacity. In case anyone is wondering just how much power it takes to send a watt-meter off the scale, it's around 3588W.""
Yes my friend, over 3588W switch on surge, the watt-meter 'flat-lines' when I switch both cascades on together. Of course the meter may just be inaccurate when up that high.
(UK 220 13 amp sustained max). It can handle short peaks or surges over that... The bigger unit has 2 X 1.5HP rotary compressors, the smaller unit 1HP + 1/3HP.. Naturally I plug the rest of the system to a separate ring while benching..Lol
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Nihility - Thursday, January 24, 2008 - link
Doesn't EIST offer better power savings over what DES does?The Q9650 has a multiplier of 9 meaning that when EIST is on, its clock speed will be reduced by 1000 Mhz. I'm just curious if that's not a better power saving option for a computer that is mostly idle (internet, word processing mentioned in the article). As I understand it, EIST needs to be shut off.
Rajinder Gill - Thursday, January 24, 2008 - link
Not really, these processors are now so efficient at idle that the core speed reduction does little to save extra power. Gigabyte have sorted out the EIST/C1E and DES issue in the latest BIOS. You can now have all 3 on simultaneously. Unlike the previous releases..regards
Raja
Cardio - Thursday, January 24, 2008 - link
Rather he would do his Lemming imitation.emenk - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - link
You said at the very top "Our initial reaction to Gigabyte's DES (Dynamic Energy Saver) software was stated in the GA-X48T-DQ6 review a few weeks ago." Where exactly did you say that? What did you say?I've searched for any mention of it, and I can't find it. I've even used Google!
I'm getting the impression that this is yet another example of Anandtech bullshitting us by saying they said something that they didn't say. If I just can't read, then point out where you said something about the DES software in GA-X48T-DQ6 review. Otherwise, stop printing bullshit. I'm sick of wasting my time trying to track down stuff that you claim you said in different articles.
emenk - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - link
Nevermind. I just found it on the second page. You called it by the wrong name, though. No wonder I couldn't find it! So did you screw up or hadn't Gigabyte settled on the name yet?If you called it by the wrong name, why didn't you point that out or fix it? Even if Gigabyte changed the name, why didn't you point out that you used the old name in the previous article?
Rajinder Gill - Thursday, January 24, 2008 - link
Emenk,I have corrected the misname in the last review. In terms of trying to deceive readers - i think you could not be further from the truth. We are human and sometimes mistakes do slip through. In this case the results of the mistake are not likely to have caused a massive misconception that brings harm to the end user. I have searched the web for both GA-X48T-DQ6 reviews and DES write ups. Needless to say, the depth of our articles is far in excess in all instances and actually tells the truth as we see it. I have not seen anyone else get to grips with the DES or the BIOS in a way that we have managed at Anandtech. Sorry for the mistake, thanks for pointing it out.
regards
Raja
emenk - Friday, January 25, 2008 - link
Sorry, I did not mean to suggest that you were intentionally deceiving your readers - just that you were being careless with the mundane, simple facts. I'm not as experienced as some of your readers, but little mistakes can cause big problems for me trying to get started understanding the articles.I don't doubt that. For me, your article starts out too deep, though. (Well, actually, it starts out with fluff about Al Gore, etc., then suddenly goes too deep.) Someone in the forums pointed me to http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1272/gigabyte_s_...">this TweakTown article, which is a good introduction for me. Maybe you are targeting readers who would already know everything that was said in that article, but I didn't. Now that I have read that article, I am in a much better position to understand yours. I wasn't before.
I was frustrated earlier because I had been hoping to find basic background information about DES in the previous Anandtech GA-X48T-DQ6 review, but couldn't find the comment about DES (due to the mistake in the software's name) at first, then found it wasn't that helpful to me once I did find it.
I'm sorry if the mark-up codes I'm using here aren't the correct ones. I'm uses the same mark-up codes that work in the forum. The javascript isn't inserting them here for me.
slashbinslashbash - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - link
Why is it that motherboard manufacturers' overclocking software must always look like it comes out of a 3rd-rate sci-fi movie? Bulbous, way too colorful, with all kinds of buttons in odd places and not at all looking like a normal program that a normal person would want to use. It looks SO amateurish. All of the "real" software companies realized long ago that as long as we have 2D displays, it's going to be most efficient to have windows in the shape of rectangles instead of circles or other odd shapes. Give me a simple gray box with a few sliders, and the close/minimize/etc. buttons in their right positions, please!legoman666 - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - link
I agree whole heartedly. Enough of these "slick" apps. I want a box with some sliders and dials.mindless1 - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - link
I third that notion, though Gigabyte seems to be worse in this respect than some others.icthy - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - link
Is this software tied to a specific OS, like Vista?Rajinder Gill - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - link
DES works with both XP and Vista (32 and 64bit)...regards
Raja
legoman666 - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - link
the power savings seem too low to be of any real value. Just turn off the light while you're gaming or something.androo - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - link
It's an interesting concept, but the test rig is not what I would pick if I was worried about power. Water cooling? 8800GTS? 1000W Power Supply? Sounds more like my gaming rig which is only on when I play. Best way to save power on a behemoth system is to turn it off.If you are worried about power, select an appropriate video card, the 8300GS at 24 watts or the HD2400Pro at 10 watts for example. A quality active PFC 350 Watt power supply and 1 or 2 fans for cooling. A nice, quiet low power system. It's no gaming rig, but who needs a gaming rig for email, web, movies, coding, etc ... the stuff we do all day.
Chadder007 - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - link
""Stable power draw is in the region of 2200W when both units have reached cooling capacity. In case anyone is wondering just how much power it takes to send a watt-meter off the scale, it's around 3588W.""3588 watts? WTF?
Rajinder Gill - Wednesday, January 23, 2008 - link
Yes my friend, over 3588W switch on surge, the watt-meter 'flat-lines' when I switch both cascades on together. Of course the meter may just be inaccurate when up that high.(UK 220 13 amp sustained max). It can handle short peaks or surges over that... The bigger unit has 2 X 1.5HP rotary compressors, the smaller unit 1HP + 1/3HP.. Naturally I plug the rest of the system to a separate ring while benching..Lol
regards
Raja