any one knows which boards will work with am2+ processors
i've a evga 590sli, with a x2 4200. it will be great if i could upgrade to a phenom =D
anyway, even if i do the bios update, i'll not have ht3 right?
Thanks for the great review. The board reviewed looks solid and the coverage is, as usual, complete and clear. I always liked BioStar's boards and felt their products are not getting much spotlight among enthusiasts. The board and NV's new chipset looks solid and it's really amazing that how much computing power we get for the dollars these days.
Said that, I'd like to know if Gary thinks the review samples are representative enough for retail products that one can buy, when it comes to overclocking? I haven't kept up with AMD's latest steppings and the overclocking performance of the reviewed CPUs is simply amazing. I remember the time when a 3.0GHz A64 was considered a golden.
Forgot to ask: What is the thing that going for NF560? There was a brief mention regarding GPU optimazation and PCI-E lane configuration, but overall it looks almost identical to NF550. If one were to buy a either similarly priced NF550 board or NF560 board, what would differentiate 560 from 550?
Why do you use a U$S 100 Motherboard with the Intel setup and a U$S 80 one for the AMD?
If we are in the cheap setup, i would like to make a comparision apples to apples.
I think if you use the U$S 85 JetWay J966GDAG-PB, the tables should be much different.
You try finding a decent enough Intel motherboard for under $100. Most people I know wouldnt even settle for less than a $150 + board concerning an Intel system. In-expencive/good AMD motherboards with a decent feature list have been around for a while, open your eyes, and do a product search of your own . . .
All I have to say is: You've gotta move forward sometime. PATA is OK if you like slow, bulky, and outdated interfaces, but if you're into the whole "having a decent computer" thing, you're gonna have to spend the money anyway.
And if you mean that you've just purchased a large PATA drive and don't want to purchase a new SATA one, I pity you and your short-sightedness. PATA is going the way of the Dodo, and SATA is the future for now.
quote: All I have to say is: You've gotta move forward sometime. PATA is OK if you like slow, bulky, and outdated interfaces, but if you're into the whole "having a decent computer" thing, you're gonna have to spend the money anyway.
This one made me laugh.
Not because PATA isn't an old interface. But, compare the speeds of a modern PATA drive to an SATA drive, and you'll find almost no difference. The interface isn't the bottleneck; the drive mechanics are. For that reason, an UltraATA Seagate 7200.10 and a SATA Seagate 7200.10 are within a hairsbreadth in performance.
SATA certainly cables nicer than PATA, and getting rid of the whole master/slave configuration is a great thing too. But you're buying into the hype a little too heavily. Until we can improve drive mechanics to both increase data throughput and decrease latency in more than tiny incremental steps, the interface won't matter all that much.
Is that Firewire is still not standard. For the couple of bucks it costs to add it to a board, can we fricking add it already? It should have been standard years ago, and considering how cheaply one can get a card, it can't cost all that much to implement. Meanwhile, there's no apparent rhyme or reason to which systems have it and which don't. I've seen cheap HP's that have it, and expensive ones that don't. It's all over the map.
Firewire is worth keeping and making standard. It's the easiest way to network two computers. It's how almost every video camera downloads video to computers.
The specs said that the chipset supported 2 PATA ports, however there is only 1 slot on the board. So it only supports 2 drives, or did Biostar decide to save $.005 in not putting the 2nd connector on the board?
this is regarded as the industry's first AM2+ board, i assume this means pheonom will plop right in? so does it support HT3?... seperate power planes?
how will boards do that with just a bios update?
will this, and other current boards work with phenom, but not at full potential?
"No, it is not a AM2+ board, it doesn't have any of the AM2+ features, but phenom would normally plop right in yes."
We realize it doesn't have HT3 or split power lanes, however, the question still stands:
will this board support phenom with only a bios update?
AM2+ K10 chips will "plop right in"to AM2 boards with the proper BIOS support, so I would assume they would work in this board too, regardless of whether it supports HT3, separates power planes, etc. Of course, that's all up to the board manufacturer and their BIOS support for K10.
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chesterman86 - Sunday, August 5, 2007 - link
any one knows which boards will work with am2+ processorsi've a evga 590sli, with a x2 4200. it will be great if i could upgrade to a phenom =D
anyway, even if i do the bios update, i'll not have ht3 right?
lopri - Saturday, August 4, 2007 - link
Thanks for the great review. The board reviewed looks solid and the coverage is, as usual, complete and clear. I always liked BioStar's boards and felt their products are not getting much spotlight among enthusiasts. The board and NV's new chipset looks solid and it's really amazing that how much computing power we get for the dollars these days.Said that, I'd like to know if Gary thinks the review samples are representative enough for retail products that one can buy, when it comes to overclocking? I haven't kept up with AMD's latest steppings and the overclocking performance of the reviewed CPUs is simply amazing. I remember the time when a 3.0GHz A64 was considered a golden.
lopri - Saturday, August 4, 2007 - link
Forgot to ask: What is the thing that going for NF560? There was a brief mention regarding GPU optimazation and PCI-E lane configuration, but overall it looks almost identical to NF550. If one were to buy a either similarly priced NF550 board or NF560 board, what would differentiate 560 from 550?CrystalBay - Thursday, August 2, 2007 - link
That is some incredible value right there .Thanks for the article G.K.!!!
Powered by AMD - Thursday, August 2, 2007 - link
Why do you use a U$S 100 Motherboard with the Intel setup and a U$S 80 one for the AMD?If we are in the cheap setup, i would like to make a comparision apples to apples.
I think if you use the U$S 85 JetWay J966GDAG-PB, the tables should be much different.
yyrkoon - Friday, August 3, 2007 - link
You try finding a decent enough Intel motherboard for under $100. Most people I know wouldnt even settle for less than a $150 + board concerning an Intel system. In-expencive/good AMD motherboards with a decent feature list have been around for a while, open your eyes, and do a product search of your own . . .crimson117 - Thursday, August 2, 2007 - link
Good point!
Also, the processors costs are not equal... (newegg prices)
Athlon 64 X2 3800+ costs $65
AMD X2 BE-2300 costs $90
Intel E2160 costs $95
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ costs $170
So the AMD setup would be $50 cheaper for about equal performance.
DeepThought86 - Thursday, August 2, 2007 - link
2 PATA ports supproted but only one implemented on this board. Boo, hiss. So Biostar saves $0.50 and we're out $100 buying a new driveelpresidente2075 - Thursday, August 2, 2007 - link
All I have to say is: You've gotta move forward sometime. PATA is OK if you like slow, bulky, and outdated interfaces, but if you're into the whole "having a decent computer" thing, you're gonna have to spend the money anyway.And if you mean that you've just purchased a large PATA drive and don't want to purchase a new SATA one, I pity you and your short-sightedness. PATA is going the way of the Dodo, and SATA is the future for now.
Good luck with the new drive!
LoneWolf15 - Saturday, August 4, 2007 - link
This one made me laugh.
Not because PATA isn't an old interface. But, compare the speeds of a modern PATA drive to an SATA drive, and you'll find almost no difference. The interface isn't the bottleneck; the drive mechanics are. For that reason, an UltraATA Seagate 7200.10 and a SATA Seagate 7200.10 are within a hairsbreadth in performance.
SATA certainly cables nicer than PATA, and getting rid of the whole master/slave configuration is a great thing too. But you're buying into the hype a little too heavily. Until we can improve drive mechanics to both increase data throughput and decrease latency in more than tiny incremental steps, the interface won't matter all that much.
DeepThought86 - Friday, August 10, 2007 - link
elpresidente2075 is probably a 15-year old who thinks newer is better by definition. It'll be a decade or more before he learns critical thinkingstrikeback03 - Thursday, August 2, 2007 - link
Plus once PATA is gone maybe we can get more SATA ports. 4 is a bare minimum.takumsawsherman - Thursday, August 2, 2007 - link
Is that Firewire is still not standard. For the couple of bucks it costs to add it to a board, can we fricking add it already? It should have been standard years ago, and considering how cheaply one can get a card, it can't cost all that much to implement. Meanwhile, there's no apparent rhyme or reason to which systems have it and which don't. I've seen cheap HP's that have it, and expensive ones that don't. It's all over the map.strikeback03 - Thursday, August 2, 2007 - link
Or just eliminate it entirely. With USB2 and eSATA, is there really a need for another external interface standard?flipmode - Friday, August 3, 2007 - link
Firewire is worth keeping and making standard. It's the easiest way to network two computers. It's how almost every video camera downloads video to computers.Myrandex - Thursday, August 2, 2007 - link
The specs said that the chipset supported 2 PATA ports, however there is only 1 slot on the board. So it only supports 2 drives, or did Biostar decide to save $.005 in not putting the 2nd connector on the board?8steve8 - Thursday, August 2, 2007 - link
this is regarded as the industry's first AM2+ board, i assume this means pheonom will plop right in? so does it support HT3?... seperate power planes?how will boards do that with just a bios update?
will this, and other current boards work with phenom, but not at full potential?
Spoelie - Thursday, August 2, 2007 - link
Read the article instead of commenting right away.No, it is not a AM2+ board, it doesn't have any of the AM2+ features, but phenom would normally plop right in yes.
Am a bit disappointed with the feature set, my 3 years old nforce4 ultra has the same amount of sata, pata, usb, gige, etc.
shuffle2 - Thursday, August 2, 2007 - link
"No, it is not a AM2+ board, it doesn't have any of the AM2+ features, but phenom would normally plop right in yes."We realize it doesn't have HT3 or split power lanes, however, the question still stands:
will this board support phenom with only a bios update?
Spuke - Saturday, August 4, 2007 - link
Since this is technically NOT an AM2+ board, when are the AM2+ boards coming out? I'd like to buy one.DrMrLordX - Thursday, August 2, 2007 - link
AM2+ K10 chips will "plop right in"to AM2 boards with the proper BIOS support, so I would assume they would work in this board too, regardless of whether it supports HT3, separates power planes, etc. Of course, that's all up to the board manufacturer and their BIOS support for K10.