Definitely best to delay a week or two than tell consumers... "Hey, we sold you bad chips, hihi. We'll slow them down so they don't break further, hihi."
Are you sure it's not: 'Hey, hey, hey! We have a brand-new line of motherboards that are incompatible with your archaic four-month-old CPU. And — woah — we have a brand-new CPU line that's practically identical to your deprecated model. It has a bigger number so that's exciting, right?'
Hmm, this delay should make the benchmarks more favorable versus Intel since microcode changes will slow Intel down a bit on their highest end parts. It's a good bit of marketing too since it would put the spotlight on quality and only cause a two week delay in shipment for the highest core count parts.
No criticism intended, simply pointing out if no one "early adopted" there would be no products to find a problem with. There would be no need for companies to fix an error. There would be no "solved-fixed" products/problems to adopt later.
I see this idea with autos. Never buy the newest model year. Alternatively, a prevailing thought is always buy used to avoid "new model problems" and depreciation. News flash: Used auto depreciate as well and in the same way. Auto replacement parts exist because used autos need more fixing in general than a new car. But you never hear that idea tossed around so freely. Not only that, if no one bought new autos, there would be no used autos to buy.
But why would they do that?! They could just ship them, then gaslight the system integrators, mobo partners and customers, pretend it's a non-issue, then finally begrudgingly start addressing the underlying issues... /s
Is there going to be a way to tell what chips are for sure the revised ones so that people can ensure they do not have the initial batch of faulty ones?
The amount of thermal paste. Minor curvature of the IHS. Possibly even fuse-off a core or a die, lower a grade.
Many things can be done. And it's certainly not just two weeks. AMD hasn't provided any review samples, ypu think they are making the changes just now?
Nobody said they're making a change in 2 weeks. They're delaying 2 weeks for return shipping and re-shipping only. They could have made an adjustment months ago that is appearing in the second round of shipments. The second round of shipments are being expedited to the first.
Why would you need a way? What would be the benefit for a distributor to NOT give the inventory back when they can't sell it legally for another 2-3 weeks and they don't have to pay AMD until the replacements arrive if they return the inventory?
AMD has always played it fast and loose with boost speed marketing... Or they sourced the same low quality chemicals as Intel... Or the plague of bad management and poisoned labor relations has touched them too
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heffeque - Wednesday, July 24, 2024 - link
Definitely best to delay a week or two than tell consumers... "Hey, we sold you bad chips, hihi. We'll slow them down so they don't break further, hihi."Oxford Guy - Friday, July 26, 2024 - link
Are you sure it's not: 'Hey, hey, hey! We have a brand-new line of motherboards that are incompatible with your archaic four-month-old CPU. And — woah — we have a brand-new CPU line that's practically identical to your deprecated model. It has a bigger number so that's exciting, right?'Oxford Guy - Tuesday, July 30, 2024 - link
New headlines suggest that it may have only been a typo on the heatspreader, not 'chip quality issues' as this article's headline states.Golgatha777 - Wednesday, July 24, 2024 - link
Hmm, this delay should make the benchmarks more favorable versus Intel since microcode changes will slow Intel down a bit on their highest end parts. It's a good bit of marketing too since it would put the spotlight on quality and only cause a two week delay in shipment for the highest core count parts.Oxford Guy - Friday, July 26, 2024 - link
Is anyone going to retest their Intel stuff or will it be more waiting game?GeoffreyA - Saturday, July 27, 2024 - link
Honestly, testing or no testing, I think those CPUs should be run away from.Oxford Guy - Tuesday, July 30, 2024 - link
Andy Edser: 'No recall, no halting of sales, and no comment on warranty extensions. … the damage to affected chips may be permanent'GeoffreyA - Thursday, August 1, 2024 - link
Yes. It's a disaster of a CPU.meacupla - Wednesday, July 24, 2024 - link
My wild guess is they used the wrong TIM between the CPU and IHSDizoja86 - Wednesday, July 24, 2024 - link
That definitely fits the definition of a wild guess.R7 - Friday, July 26, 2024 - link
Desktop (non-APU) chips dont use TIM. These are soldered. You are way off.meacupla - Friday, July 26, 2024 - link
TIM means Thermal Interface Material, and it includes solder.boozed - Wednesday, July 24, 2024 - link
But is that because of AMD chip quality issues or Intel chip quality issues?Khanan - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
AMD doing what Intel can't.GeoffreyA - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
Intel, watch and learn.I wonder where exactly the problem is and, if a silicon one, whether this is something we will see more often as the limits of the physics are neared.
Iketh - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
welp looks like I'm not gonna be an early adopterTEAMSWITCHER - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
That's always a good plan.dwbogardus - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
A wise old saying: "Be not the first by which the new is tried, nor yet the last to lay the old aside."Khanan - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
3-6 months - that’s the time you should wait. Everyone else can beta testQuestor - Friday, July 26, 2024 - link
No criticism intended, simply pointing out if no one "early adopted" there would be no products to find a problem with. There would be no need for companies to fix an error. There would be no "solved-fixed" products/problems to adopt later.I see this idea with autos. Never buy the newest model year. Alternatively, a prevailing thought is always buy used to avoid "new model problems" and depreciation. News flash: Used auto depreciate as well and in the same way. Auto replacement parts exist because used autos need more fixing in general than a new car. But you never hear that idea tossed around so freely. Not only that, if no one bought new autos, there would be no used autos to buy.
kkilobyte - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
This is going to give the extra time needed for reviewers to re-review the Intel CPUs with the new settings.Unfortunately for Intel, it means they'll be shown in a less favourable light. How sad!
eloyard - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
But why would they do that?! They could just ship them, then gaslight the system integrators, mobo partners and customers, pretend it's a non-issue, then finally begrudgingly start addressing the underlying issues... /sKhanan - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
How the mighty have fallen. Oh wait, Intel was always like this. Nvmextide - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
Is there going to be a way to tell what chips are for sure the revised ones so that people can ensure they do not have the initial batch of faulty ones?GeoffreyA - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
If a silicon issue, hopefully the steppings will be noted, and then one can compare against that.haukionkannel - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
Two weeks is not enough for new stepping!This has to be something that does not need silicon changes if they just delay it two weeks…
flgt - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
Exactly, what exactly can you change in two weeks with the design and supply chain complexity of modern processors?dotjaz - Friday, July 26, 2024 - link
The amount of thermal paste. Minor curvature of the IHS. Possibly even fuse-off a core or a die, lower a grade.Many things can be done. And it's certainly not just two weeks. AMD hasn't provided any review samples, ypu think they are making the changes just now?
GeoffreyA - Friday, July 26, 2024 - link
You're right. Thanks for pointing that out.Iketh - Friday, July 26, 2024 - link
Nobody said they're making a change in 2 weeks. They're delaying 2 weeks for return shipping and re-shipping only. They could have made an adjustment months ago that is appearing in the second round of shipments. The second round of shipments are being expedited to the first.bananaforscale - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
Microcode update or re-bin. Spinning new silicon takes months.Khanan - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
For what? You didn’t understand the post. There won’t be any chips with issues they will be replaced with ones that are proper. This isn’t Inteldotjaz - Friday, July 26, 2024 - link
Why would you need a way? What would be the benefit for a distributor to NOT give the inventory back when they can't sell it legally for another 2-3 weeks and they don't have to pay AMD until the replacements arrive if they return the inventory?coburn_c - Thursday, July 25, 2024 - link
AMD has always played it fast and loose with boost speed marketing... Or they sourced the same low quality chemicals as Intel... Or the plague of bad management and poisoned labor relations has touched them toonandnandnand - Saturday, July 27, 2024 - link
Or, you know, none of that.Khanan - Saturday, July 27, 2024 - link
Yea, AMD's boost speeds recently were on the conservative side and real boost speeds mostly higher than what AMD said.