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• eastcoast_pete - Friday, August 2, 2024 - link

  Appreciate the reviews of these compact systems. One remark about the intended use as an "industrial PC": for that, having an additional set (2) of USB 2.0 ports in addition to the USB 3 (A type) and the sole USB 4.0 would have made sense (and there's enough space for them, too). Reason: some peripherals just don't play well with USB 3, for whatever reason. Never mind what the USB standards body says, 100% backward compatibility is not always a given. If your equipment that you want to drive is a USB 2.0 device, it's safer to get something with at least one USB 2 Port.

• Oxford Guy - Friday, August 2, 2024 - link

  'The power limits are conservatively configured at 20W / 39W, which is reasonable for an actively-cooled compact mini-PC targeting the industrial and business markets. It contributes to long-term product reliability.'
  
  I didn't see anything about a fan nor fan noise. Did I miss something?

• powerarmour - Saturday, August 3, 2024 - link

  Who would buy this now with Intel confidence in the toilet, that's the main issue.

• The_Assimilator - Saturday, August 3, 2024 - link

  People who understand that embedded CPUs aren't affected.

• TheinsanegamerN - Monday, August 5, 2024 - link

  *Yet.
  
  First it was only i9k,s, then i7 and i9ks, then all ks, then some xeons, then normal chips and T/F series started becoming unstable.
  
  So how long you figure the mobile lineup has?

• meacupla - Saturday, August 3, 2024 - link

  A U-series i5 using DDR4 is probably unaffected. It's running well under the settings that cause degradation.

• TheinsanegamerN - Monday, August 5, 2024 - link

  Xeons do to, and those have experienced the same failure.

• meacupla - Monday, August 5, 2024 - link

  Can you point to link of Xeon failing from the same problem as the 13/14gen desktop chips?
  Are you sure you're not mistaking it with the W680 workstation boards used as cheap servers?
  
  Even at PL2, the U series 13th gen is well under the >65W setting that is part of the problem.

• sharath.naik - Sunday, August 4, 2024 - link

  I just bought a Thinkbook16 7530u for 500$. It has 2 ram slots and 2 SSD slots. Plus has keyboard/ display and battery. Not sure this makes any sense right now.

• PeachNCream - Sunday, August 4, 2024 - link

  That's always been the trouble with the NUC and its clones. You get less computer compared to a laptop of similar price, less portability, and they aren't functional without external hardware. Barebones systems require additional internal hardware and an OS license. Upgrade options are identically limited. There are people to which they'd appeal, but I'd argue that in a fair number of those use cases, a laptop would have been a better choice even if the buyer doesn't feel as special during and after the purchase.

• meacupla - Sunday, August 4, 2024 - link

  Did your laptop come with dual 2.5Gbe, win enterprise and 4 display out?

• PeachNCream - Thursday, August 8, 2024 - link

  We probably shouldn't use me as a point of comparison. I bought my last laptop off ebay for less than $40 USD about 6 months ago and despite its i5-7200U CPU, it's loads faster than the Pentium n3700 laptop it replaced. I don't even own an external display panel of any sort (TV, monitor, etc) nor desire one because I don't really consume video content or subscribe to a streaming service or pay for cable television. Though the laptop does have an HDMI port. Who knows if it works. I've never gotten around to testing it.

• [email protected] - Monday, August 5, 2024 - link

  $630 list for 2nd generation hardware. Strange.

• Khanan - Tuesday, August 13, 2024 - link

  You won't get the newest stuff in PCs like these.