I agree with you, which is why I have liked a NUC-like computer with Ryzen AI 3xx that is expected to be launched in October and for whom some preliminary tests of a prototype have been shown on Youtube and linked on various sites with computer news.
That computer has 3 M.2 2280 sockets, replacing the traditional NUC configuration with 1 M.2 2280 socket + 2 SODIMM sockets.
This was possible because the SODIMM sockets were replaced with faster soldered LPDDRX memory, selectable as 16 GB, 32 GB or 64 GB.
I have been using a lot of NUC-like computers for many years, and in my opinion for such computers it is far more useful to be able to install three full-size SSDs, than to be able to replace the DRAM. Therefore I approve the choice made by the designers of that computer.
If it is running 4.5GHz during CB R23 ST then that result it horrendous. Like 20% lower IPC-wise (throughput) than a similarly clocked Raptor Cove core.
Design, features & thermals good, low-tier ram & dram-less SSD.....not so much, especially at this price point....
If they offered a barebones unit for like ~$400, I might be interested, otherwise..pass....
Also the spec sheet says " OS = W11 Enterprise", then the pricing part right under that says "W11 HOME"... so which is it and how much difference does this make in the price ?
ACEMAGIC sells the system with Win 11 Home pre-installed.
However, when we test mini-PCs, we always wipe and install Windows 11 Enterprise. It just gives us more features to customize the behavior and prevent surprises while benchmarking.
The pricing includes the license for Win 11 Home (and that is why the mention of the Home variant is in the Pricing entry).
Ganesh's advice about wiping the drive and do a complete new install of the OS before usw is, unfortunately, spot on. Other sites and reviewers had found potential malware / spyware on at least one Acemagic mini-PC they evaluated. Acemagic did respond very quickly and tried to explain it away, but Ganesh is 100% correct in pointing out that wiping the drive and a fresh reinstall of the OS is the safe thing to do.
Dont forget severe driver issues. Intel still sucks in general performance improvements and bug fixing, and by some accounts meteor lake has more game breaking bugs then previous GPU designs.
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meacupla - Monday, August 26, 2024 - link
It is amazing what a few extra cm of space does for the thermals.Bonus points for 2x2280 storage, but I wish it supported 3x2280 or 2x22110
AdrianBc - Tuesday, August 27, 2024 - link
I agree with you, which is why I have liked a NUC-like computer with Ryzen AI 3xx that is expected to be launched in October and for whom some preliminary tests of a prototype have been shown on Youtube and linked on various sites with computer news.That computer has 3 M.2 2280 sockets, replacing the traditional NUC configuration with 1 M.2 2280 socket + 2 SODIMM sockets.
This was possible because the SODIMM sockets were replaced with faster soldered LPDDRX memory, selectable as 16 GB, 32 GB or 64 GB.
I have been using a lot of NUC-like computers for many years, and in my opinion for such computers it is far more useful to be able to install three full-size SSDs, than to be able to replace the DRAM. Therefore I approve the choice made by the designers of that computer.
Hulk - Monday, August 26, 2024 - link
If it is running 4.5GHz during CB R23 ST then that result it horrendous. Like 20% lower IPC-wise (throughput) than a similarly clocked Raptor Cove core.Techie4Us - Monday, August 26, 2024 - link
Design, features & thermals good, low-tier ram & dram-less SSD.....not so much, especially at this price point....If they offered a barebones unit for like ~$400, I might be interested, otherwise..pass....
Also the spec sheet says " OS = W11 Enterprise", then the pricing part right under that says "W11 HOME"... so which is it and how much difference does this make in the price ?
ganeshts - Tuesday, August 27, 2024 - link
ACEMAGIC sells the system with Win 11 Home pre-installed.However, when we test mini-PCs, we always wipe and install Windows 11 Enterprise. It just gives us more features to customize the behavior and prevent surprises while benchmarking.
The pricing includes the license for Win 11 Home (and that is why the mention of the Home variant is in the Pricing entry).
meacupla - Tuesday, August 27, 2024 - link
IDK what you consider "high-tier ram", but DDR5 SODIMM maxes out at 5600.eastcoast_pete - Monday, August 26, 2024 - link
Ganesh's advice about wiping the drive and do a complete new install of the OS before usw is, unfortunately, spot on. Other sites and reviewers had found potential malware / spyware on at least one Acemagic mini-PC they evaluated. Acemagic did respond very quickly and tried to explain it away, but Ganesh is 100% correct in pointing out that wiping the drive and a fresh reinstall of the OS is the safe thing to do.haplo602 - Tuesday, August 27, 2024 - link
Why would anybody buy Intel based miniPCs is beyond my understanding. Unless you need Quicksync the AMD based ones are overall better.nandnandnand - Tuesday, August 27, 2024 - link
Meteor Lake-H has improved integrated graphics considerably. But it all comes down to price in the end.haplo602 - Wednesday, August 28, 2024 - link
Given what I have seen with the MSI Claw, it also has terrible power management/distribution between the CPU anf GPU ...TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, August 28, 2024 - link
Dont forget severe driver issues. Intel still sucks in general performance improvements and bug fixing, and by some accounts meteor lake has more game breaking bugs then previous GPU designs.