I am thinking that in the chart above, the more appropriate comparison for the Ryzen 5 8400F would be the Ryzen 5 8500G. The Ryzen 7 8700G and 8600G are based on the "Phoenix (1)" silicon, with all 8 cores being Zen 4, 12 CU RDNA-3 GPU and NPU.
The Ryzen 5 8500G and 8300G are based on the "Phoenix (2)" silicon, that has a mixture of Zen 4 + Zen 4c cores, only a 4 CU RDNA-3 GPU, and no NPU present at all.
If "Phoenix (1)" has a defective iGPU, that it can be used for the 8700F. Then if "Phoenix (2)" has a defective iGPU, it could be used for the 8400F. That would make the most sense, for making the most of AMD's chip production.
The 8400f could also be a outlet for Phoenix (1) with a defective NPU. I don't think there is any other chip for that currently. Hopefully AMD didn't mix both into the 8400F.
@ kpb321 - That is true, and yeah I think you're right. Man that would be BIG piece of GPU silicon to throw away though! AMD already has the 8600G with its cut-down 8 CU configuration. Having all 12 CUs disabled because of a defective NPU seems harsh, but you could definitely be right.
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The_Assimilator - Thursday, April 11, 2024 - link
Do you guys get a bonus every time you mention "AI" in an article?Ryan Smith - Thursday, April 11, 2024 - link
If only. Unfortunately, that isn't how Microsoft is opting to spend their marketing dollars.GeoffreyA - Friday, April 12, 2024 - link
It's a reflections of the facts, AI being all the rage at the moment.NextGen_Gamer - Thursday, April 11, 2024 - link
I am thinking that in the chart above, the more appropriate comparison for the Ryzen 5 8400F would be the Ryzen 5 8500G. The Ryzen 7 8700G and 8600G are based on the "Phoenix (1)" silicon, with all 8 cores being Zen 4, 12 CU RDNA-3 GPU and NPU.The Ryzen 5 8500G and 8300G are based on the "Phoenix (2)" silicon, that has a mixture of Zen 4 + Zen 4c cores, only a 4 CU RDNA-3 GPU, and no NPU present at all.
If "Phoenix (1)" has a defective iGPU, that it can be used for the 8700F. Then if "Phoenix (2)" has a defective iGPU, it could be used for the 8400F. That would make the most sense, for making the most of AMD's chip production.
kpb321 - Thursday, April 11, 2024 - link
The 8400f could also be a outlet for Phoenix (1) with a defective NPU. I don't think there is any other chip for that currently. Hopefully AMD didn't mix both into the 8400F.NextGen_Gamer - Thursday, April 11, 2024 - link
@ kpb321 - That is true, and yeah I think you're right. Man that would be BIG piece of GPU silicon to throw away though! AMD already has the 8600G with its cut-down 8 CU configuration. Having all 12 CUs disabled because of a defective NPU seems harsh, but you could definitely be right.Poui - Friday, April 12, 2024 - link
It would still be better than throwing off that chip in the trashcan because of a defective NPU