A ~3% clock boost is unlikely to scale greater than linearly. Therefore, the performance uplift should be 3% or less compared to their non-KS part. But then that's only the single core turbo. The rest of the time, the chip will perform like i9-14900K. But then the overall performance might be worse because it's blown way past it's thermal limits in the beginning of whatever workload you're doing.
Be warned: EK-Quantum Delta TEC D-RGB solution is not meant for all core workloads. From EK's warning on their product page, seems it will simply ensure that the CPU hits 6.2 GHz within the 150W power envelope of the CPU.
For short: Intel Announces Core i9-Nonsense with very small performance gains but ridiculous energy consumption for spec sheet fetishists which by everything for any price.
In theory since this is basically a better-binned 14900k, it would also undervolt and/or underclock more efficiently than the stock one. So anyone so inclined could tune it to better efficiency than a stock part. It’s only intel and motherboard manufacturers that push us to burn electronics for the sake of a few % performance… https://www.overclock.net/threads/13900k-power-sca...
But almost nobody paying a premium for this chip is going to intentionally power limit it for 24/7 use, just for a slight PPW spec boost.
Even in theory, binning is a lot more complex than that. A few cores clocking really well at stupidly high voltage doesn't preclude being strictly worse than another chip at a more sane point on the VF curve.
That's a pretty hefty markup to get a CPU that's only going to hold the "world's fastest desktop processor*" title for a short duration while gobbling up lots more power to give the moron that buys it barely detectable increases in performance. BUT what it also does is serves as a talking point to further place the company logo and the rest of the product stack under the scrutiny of potentially more prudent buyers so they still purchase an Intel something-or-other so it at least is farming money from the dwindling flock of people that buy desktop parts.
Anticipating brand-based commentary, I already added a disclaimer * to account for accidentally inspiring the inevitable product value discussion these sorts of things tend to create. Although I personally haven't given brand loyalty any thought in a long time, I do acknowledge PC components and companies in particular seem to have an us-versus-them entrenchment stronger than would be the case in other sectors of the economy.
That's a lot of words to signify nothing. Doesnt change the fact that the 14900ks ISNT the fastest. It loses to the 7800x3d. So the idea that it is holding the "worlds fastest desktop processor" is factually incorrect.
yup, but if I lived in a much colder climate I would be glad to have one of these. Maybe that is what Intel is thinking. Every office I have ever worked in has a good percentage of people with a small space heater under thier desk to keep warm. This solves that problem entirely. =)
There are fewer colder climates now than ever. It was irrationally warm the past four winters here to the point where a typical desktop PC would impose a significantly negative energy consumption impact from both its own demand and as a consequence of its waste heat. Three decades ago this area made a mountain of blankets a necessity, but it's quite different now. In fact, one of the things that drove me away from desktop computers was the waste heat. First dabbling in cooler running CPUs like VIA's C3 and C7 series and then fully away from them to use conventional laptops and then early, passively cooled Atom netbooks for everyday computing. Haven't really looked back much since and it has helped quite a bit. I can't imagine having to cool a room where a PC and its peripherals are legitimately consuming 400-800W. That would be miserable even with a modern heat pump and good insulation.
Erm, maybe you don't recall, but we've had a winter within the past 10 years where record lows were set. It froze really badly in south Florida, USA for several nights. Likewise, in 1990 there was a similarly bad winter in south Florida, USA. There was also a really bad free in Texas not too many years ago.
Your concerns may be valid for your area, but they are not universally valid.
To be honest.. the ones in Texas was irrelevant. Since almost noone had power. Therefore even if you wanted to use the 14900ks as a furnace.. you would be unable to.
Why isnt florida underwater yet? CO2 emissions have doubled since the late 90s yet despite this worse-then-doomsday scenario Florida isnt underwater yet. We only had 12 years to fix it before the damage was unrepairable and obscene! What happened?
Literally 0 people believe you make your hardware decisions based on wasted heat... your high horse is impossible to keep track of sometimes peaches lol.
Heat is one of several factors. Foremost is cost, because I like lots of money instead of lots of unnecessary stuff and compound interest is better working for than against. Secondly is portability since I travel often for work. Heat and power consumption are things I consider collectively as third.
I want to echo other posts. The watt usage compared to the speed increase is horrendous. There are mobile chipsets with GPU's that get over 5Ghz and use only 30-50W on full throttle. Intel fell behind.
However, beware of BIOS default Vcore value is not optimized,whic is being said Vcore is usually overvoltaged let being set to auto. Be sure to set -offset.
It would be fun to quote Intel’s own marketing about the importance of performance-per-watt in the Conroe/Core 2 era to criticize the space heaters they’re pumping up now with their marketing machine.
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ballsystemlord - Thursday, March 14, 2024 - link
A ~3% clock boost is unlikely to scale greater than linearly. Therefore, the performance uplift should be 3% or less compared to their non-KS part. But then that's only the single core turbo. The rest of the time, the chip will perform like i9-14900K. But then the overall performance might be worse because it's blown way past it's thermal limits in the beginning of whatever workload you're doing.Scabies - Thursday, March 14, 2024 - link
The little footnote about Intel Application Optimization might disagreeshabby - Thursday, March 14, 2024 - link
The chip will perform faster than the 14900k, reviews are showing its using around 50-100w more during gaming, gains are slim though.Samus - Thursday, March 14, 2024 - link
Exactly. It's a energy penalty that doesn't really pay off unless you demand bleeding edge.Igor_Kavinski - Thursday, March 14, 2024 - link
Be warned: EK-Quantum Delta TEC D-RGB solution is not meant for all core workloads. From EK's warning on their product page, seems it will simply ensure that the CPU hits 6.2 GHz within the 150W power envelope of the CPU.plsbugmenot - Thursday, March 14, 2024 - link
For short: Intel Announces Core i9-Nonsense with very small performance gains but ridiculous energy consumption for spec sheet fetishists which by everything for any price.Applaus!
Samus - Thursday, March 14, 2024 - link
Intel gotta get their eco-boner on somehow. 30% energy penalty for 3-5% performance.Hresna - Saturday, March 16, 2024 - link
In theory since this is basically a better-binned 14900k, it would also undervolt and/or underclock more efficiently than the stock one. So anyone so inclined could tune it to better efficiency than a stock part. It’s only intel and motherboard manufacturers that push us to burn electronics for the sake of a few % performance…https://www.overclock.net/threads/13900k-power-sca...
But almost nobody paying a premium for this chip is going to intentionally power limit it for 24/7 use, just for a slight PPW spec boost.
Flunk - Saturday, March 16, 2024 - link
Or it's just luck and your 14900k would clock better. There is a lot of random chance when buying CPUs for overclocking.ArtForz - Sunday, March 17, 2024 - link
Even in theory, binning is a lot more complex than that.A few cores clocking really well at stupidly high voltage doesn't preclude being strictly worse than another chip at a more sane point on the VF curve.
PeachNCream - Thursday, March 14, 2024 - link
That's a pretty hefty markup to get a CPU that's only going to hold the "world's fastest desktop processor*" title for a short duration while gobbling up lots more power to give the moron that buys it barely detectable increases in performance. BUT what it also does is serves as a talking point to further place the company logo and the rest of the product stack under the scrutiny of potentially more prudent buyers so they still purchase an Intel something-or-other so it at least is farming money from the dwindling flock of people that buy desktop parts.shabby - Thursday, March 14, 2024 - link
But its not the worlds fastest, just the worlds highest clocked, still looses to a 7800x3d.PeachNCream - Friday, March 15, 2024 - link
Anticipating brand-based commentary, I already added a disclaimer * to account for accidentally inspiring the inevitable product value discussion these sorts of things tend to create. Although I personally haven't given brand loyalty any thought in a long time, I do acknowledge PC components and companies in particular seem to have an us-versus-them entrenchment stronger than would be the case in other sectors of the economy.TheinsanegamerN - Monday, March 18, 2024 - link
That's a lot of words to signify nothing. Doesnt change the fact that the 14900ks ISNT the fastest. It loses to the 7800x3d. So the idea that it is holding the "worlds fastest desktop processor" is factually incorrect.eloyard - Friday, March 15, 2024 - link
Louder, hotter, more expensive.Can't say i'm impressed, Intel.
On the other hand, it's not like i had any other expectations to begin with.
goatfajitas - Friday, March 15, 2024 - link
yup, but if I lived in a much colder climate I would be glad to have one of these. Maybe that is what Intel is thinking. Every office I have ever worked in has a good percentage of people with a small space heater under thier desk to keep warm. This solves that problem entirely. =)PeachNCream - Friday, March 15, 2024 - link
There are fewer colder climates now than ever. It was irrationally warm the past four winters here to the point where a typical desktop PC would impose a significantly negative energy consumption impact from both its own demand and as a consequence of its waste heat. Three decades ago this area made a mountain of blankets a necessity, but it's quite different now. In fact, one of the things that drove me away from desktop computers was the waste heat. First dabbling in cooler running CPUs like VIA's C3 and C7 series and then fully away from them to use conventional laptops and then early, passively cooled Atom netbooks for everyday computing. Haven't really looked back much since and it has helped quite a bit. I can't imagine having to cool a room where a PC and its peripherals are legitimately consuming 400-800W. That would be miserable even with a modern heat pump and good insulation.ballsystemlord - Friday, March 15, 2024 - link
Erm, maybe you don't recall, but we've had a winter within the past 10 years where record lows were set. It froze really badly in south Florida, USA for several nights. Likewise, in 1990 there was a similarly bad winter in south Florida, USA.There was also a really bad free in Texas not too many years ago.
Your concerns may be valid for your area, but they are not universally valid.
tamalero - Saturday, March 16, 2024 - link
To be honest.. the ones in Texas was irrelevant. Since almost noone had power. Therefore even if you wanted to use the 14900ks as a furnace.. you would be unable to.ballsystemlord - Saturday, March 16, 2024 - link
I was more commenting on the existence of cold winters in recent times, not so much that we'd be able to use the 14900KS as a furnace.PeachNCream - Saturday, March 16, 2024 - link
Weather versus climate. Single instance versus multi-decade trends. Also, wider swings are anticipated so filing new records in places are expected.TheinsanegamerN - Monday, March 18, 2024 - link
Why isnt florida underwater yet? CO2 emissions have doubled since the late 90s yet despite this worse-then-doomsday scenario Florida isnt underwater yet. We only had 12 years to fix it before the damage was unrepairable and obscene! What happened?PeachNCream - Monday, March 18, 2024 - link
Try asking Google those questions.littlebitstrouds - Sunday, March 17, 2024 - link
Literally 0 people believe you make your hardware decisions based on wasted heat... your high horse is impossible to keep track of sometimes peaches lol.PeachNCream - Monday, March 18, 2024 - link
Heat is one of several factors. Foremost is cost, because I like lots of money instead of lots of unnecessary stuff and compound interest is better working for than against. Secondly is portability since I travel often for work. Heat and power consumption are things I consider collectively as third.[email protected] - Saturday, March 16, 2024 - link
I want to echo other posts. The watt usage compared to the speed increase is horrendous. There are mobile chipsets with GPU's that get over 5Ghz and use only 30-50W on full throttle. Intel fell behind.ThomasRhin - Wednesday, March 27, 2024 - link
Every dollar counts! This is my favorite CPU I've ever bought !ThomasRhin - Wednesday, March 27, 2024 - link
However, beware of BIOS default Vcore value is not optimized,whic is being said Vcore is usually overvoltaged let being set to auto. Be sure to set -offset.magreen - Friday, March 29, 2024 - link
It would be fun to quote Intel’s own marketing about the importance of performance-per-watt in the Conroe/Core 2 era to criticize the space heaters they’re pumping up now with their marketing machine.[email protected] - Monday, April 15, 2024 - link
Where is Thunderbolt 5?