They better have something real special lined up for 15th gen (Arrow Lake?) because they've milked Alder La...I mean Raptor Lake all they can. Where are the Meteor Lake Redwood and Gracemont cores for desktop and high-end mobile? They totally phoned in 14th gen - one has to wonder why they even bothered.
They have to have a new product for every new sales season regardless of the product's performance capabilities. They're currently caught in the seasonal sale's cycle instead of just delivering new products when they're ready and are reasonable upgrades from the prior generation. It's easy for a lot of products, CPUs are not one of them.
If by "it" you mean the laptop performance crown, I agree. Now if Apple could just address repairability and what they charge for memory, x86 would be pointless in portables.
While Intel will not tell us I am convinced that the Raptor Refresh is not a process refinement of Raptor Lake. I believe it is simply binning, which makes it outrageous to call it a new generation.
And they say AMD confuses people with their SKUs while touting their chip's superiority? They're still at 7 nm while AMD is at 4, and AMDs mobile CPUs are faster in almost any benchmarks. Not to mention AMD's server CPU superiority.
Confusing or not, filtering through 7x30s is really annoying, especially since 7x35s are very good!
AMD might well be at 4nm but some of those Phoenix 2 chips are absolutely revolting. I'd rather Rembrandt-R filled out the bottom.
Either way, there are way more AMD landmine SKUs than Intel landmine SKUs, given Phoenix 2, Cezanne round 3, and Definitely Not Van Gogh are all hiding under the trenchcoat with Phoenix poking out at the top.
With Intel you know exactly what you get with every single one: stable, supported for way too long, mediocre IGP, and great performance if a wire's connected and the fans are good (and bad performance if either is not the case). From a societal standpoint, Intel is the better choice, even if I'll happily pick out diamonds in the rough from AMD's absurd laptop product stack for my friends and family.
You must mean Intel 7 and TSMC N7, both dropped nm a long time ago. Nevertheless TSMC clearly has the lead currently since Intel needs almost twice the effect to reach the same performance.
Right, which is why intel rebranded their 10nm to intel 7. Meanwhile, AMD is going on TSMC N4, which is significantly more performant than N7, which intel's "intel 7" AKA 10nm is allegedly roughly equivalent to.
The Meteor Lake is competitive with AMD across a broad front and manufactured on Intel4. It is even a bit faster on the GPU front than AMD’s latest offerings.
I believe TB5’s special power might be the ability to asymmetrically push 120 gbps traffic in one direction, which requires CPU support for reassigning PCIe lanes to transmit in the other direction? It could be used by the Ryzen platform, but probably without the ability to push 120 gbps in one direction.
Now, Intel doesn't talk about power efficieny 14th can get. Only 11% compare to 13th. Yes, it's win at gaming 1080p (must turn off APO) againts amd, but how much power?? Intel 14th turbo TDP 157w, it's not air cooler against AMD TDP 75w?
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meacupla - Monday, January 8, 2024 - link
So wait... intel now has Core, Core Ultra, and Core 14th HX?And this is not confusing how?
Sonic01 - Tuesday, January 9, 2024 - link
No... There's just 2 architectures, Core = Raptor Lake Refresh, Core Ultra = Meteor Lake.These 14th Gen HX fall under Core (Raptor Lake).
Samus - Tuesday, January 9, 2024 - link
They better have something real special lined up for 15th gen (Arrow Lake?) because they've milked Alder La...I mean Raptor Lake all they can. Where are the Meteor Lake Redwood and Gracemont cores for desktop and high-end mobile? They totally phoned in 14th gen - one has to wonder why they even bothered.HaninAT - Tuesday, January 9, 2024 - link
"one has to wonder why they even bothered."They have to have a new product for every new sales season regardless of the product's performance capabilities. They're currently caught in the seasonal sale's cycle instead of just delivering new products when they're ready and are reasonable upgrades from the prior generation. It's easy for a lot of products, CPUs are not one of them.
Bluepig45 - Friday, January 12, 2024 - link
Ask Apple, they've been getting away with it since the release of the M1 chip.hob196 - Wednesday, January 17, 2024 - link
If by "it" you mean the laptop performance crown, I agree. Now if Apple could just address repairability and what they charge for memory, x86 would be pointless in portables.Hulk - Tuesday, January 9, 2024 - link
While Intel will not tell us I am convinced that the Raptor Refresh is not a process refinement of Raptor Lake. I believe it is simply binning, which makes it outrageous to call it a new generation.deil - Wednesday, January 10, 2024 - link
Have you been here during 14+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ era?This is nothingburger, from their usual menu.
sweetca - Monday, January 15, 2024 - link
Haha, this guy gets it^lmcd - Wednesday, January 10, 2024 - link
It ships with software-enabled new functionality, which is also what AMD is trotting out this generation.Who knows, maybe it's a newer stepping?
powerarmour - Tuesday, January 9, 2024 - link
Utter crapMehere88 - Tuesday, January 9, 2024 - link
And they say AMD confuses people with their SKUs while touting their chip's superiority?They're still at 7 nm while AMD is at 4, and AMDs mobile CPUs are faster in almost any benchmarks.
Not to mention AMD's server CPU superiority.
lmcd - Wednesday, January 10, 2024 - link
Confusing or not, filtering through 7x30s is really annoying, especially since 7x35s are very good!AMD might well be at 4nm but some of those Phoenix 2 chips are absolutely revolting. I'd rather Rembrandt-R filled out the bottom.
Either way, there are way more AMD landmine SKUs than Intel landmine SKUs, given Phoenix 2, Cezanne round 3, and Definitely Not Van Gogh are all hiding under the trenchcoat with Phoenix poking out at the top.
With Intel you know exactly what you get with every single one: stable, supported for way too long, mediocre IGP, and great performance if a wire's connected and the fans are good (and bad performance if either is not the case). From a societal standpoint, Intel is the better choice, even if I'll happily pick out diamonds in the rough from AMD's absurd laptop product stack for my friends and family.
heffeque - Wednesday, January 10, 2024 - link
8040 will all be Zen 4. No mix of Zen 2 or 3...TheinsanegamerN - Monday, January 29, 2024 - link
The 8030, 8020, and 8010, OTOH......StevoLincolnite - Wednesday, January 10, 2024 - link
I think the funny thing he is you thinking AMD using TSMC 4nm is the same geometric scaling as Intel 7nm.They are numbers used for advertising and are not representative of geometric feature scaling of chips.
Intel 10nm is roughly equivalent to TSMC 7nm.
Zoolook - Wednesday, January 10, 2024 - link
You must mean Intel 7 and TSMC N7, both dropped nm a long time ago. Nevertheless TSMC clearly has the lead currently since Intel needs almost twice the effect to reach the same performance.StevoLincolnite - Wednesday, January 10, 2024 - link
No. I meant what I said.wrkingclass_hero - Thursday, January 11, 2024 - link
Right, which is why intel rebranded their 10nm to intel 7. Meanwhile, AMD is going on TSMC N4, which is significantly more performant than N7, which intel's "intel 7" AKA 10nm is allegedly roughly equivalent to.ricebunny - Thursday, January 11, 2024 - link
The Meteor Lake is competitive with AMD across a broad front and manufactured on Intel4. It is even a bit faster on the GPU front than AMD’s latest offerings.Qasar - Friday, January 12, 2024 - link
oh ? and you know this how ? doesnt seem any 3rd party reviews are out for it yet, unless you believe what intel has shown/stated....HideOut - Wednesday, January 10, 2024 - link
So by TB5 they mean a chipset addon, like ANY CPU could use...LiKenun - Wednesday, January 10, 2024 - link
I believe TB5’s special power might be the ability to asymmetrically push 120 gbps traffic in one direction, which requires CPU support for reassigning PCIe lanes to transmit in the other direction? It could be used by the Ryzen platform, but probably without the ability to push 120 gbps in one direction.TheinsanegamerN - Monday, January 29, 2024 - link
There's no reason ryzen couldnt do it, just have to build it into the USB 5 spec.lemurbutton - Friday, January 12, 2024 - link
World's most fastest mobile processor?Does Intel not know about Apple Silicon?
Cupi - Tuesday, January 16, 2024 - link
Don't compare architecture. It's already different world. Mobile devices not just for phones.Fengshui - Wednesday, January 17, 2024 - link
Apple Silicon is not just for phones either.TheinsanegamerN - Monday, January 29, 2024 - link
Can I run windows or linux on it? Can I buy it from someone other then apple?No?
Then it's worthless.
Cupi - Tuesday, January 16, 2024 - link
Now, Intel doesn't talk about power efficieny 14th can get. Only 11% compare to 13th. Yes, it's win at gaming 1080p (must turn off APO) againts amd, but how much power?? Intel 14th turbo TDP 157w, it's not air cooler against AMD TDP 75w?