"The company’s performance specifications for the fans appear a little overconfident, especially the extremely low dB(A) rating, which would suggest that the pump is actually louder than the fan(s) and,as we will also see in the following pages, that is most definitely is not the case."
"that is most definitely is not the case." is incorrect. You need to subtract an "is" or otherwise change the sentence.
This exchange amuses me greatly. Someone so protective of their own thoughts about computing that they'd resort to a profane insult of someone else's opinion says a lot about the target audience of computer gaming parts and the maturity of their buyers. I would be happy to point out that has changed over the years, but the reality is that as new people cycle in and others mature and depart, only the screen names have changed. The template remains disappointingly the same.
This product can only be made and named by a company/country that doesn't mind racial slurs. I am waiting for the first ebook series call "Concentration camps".
Yep, here's why: "Although the name "Eskimo" was commonly used in Alaska to refer to Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this usage is now considered unacceptable by many or even most Alaska Natives, largely since it is a colonial name imposed by non-Indigenous people." Basically, it's a slaver name not the name used by the people themselves.
I never knew the term was offensive, but learnt something new, thanks to the OP's comment. The fact that it's not offensive to me doesn't mean it's not offensive to the people whom it refers to, the people on the receiving end of whatever feelings it evokes. After all, the world doesn't revolve around me and my ideas of what are offensive or not.
Sure, it may be a piece of hardware, but the choice reveals a lot. Even if the word wasn't derogatory, it still comes down to using a name of a people flippantly, from the outside, to market a product.
I agree there's a lot to consider, and I'm not supporting that people should be sensitive to everything that's said. But, on the other hand, English has historically been rife with terms that are derogatory to others.
You've contradicted yourself. The implication that English somehow has more derogatory words then other languages is unsupported. If all it takes for you to believe something is "deragatory" is a comment saying it is, then you cant really say you're against people being offended by anything that's said.
TheinsanegamerN, I agree I could have been tighter in my thinking and phrasing; but what I'm calling for is balance, not for or against. I didn't take the comment as fact, but according to Wikipedia, found that it is viewed negatively by the people in question.
Again, I do not support people being sensitive to everything said---that leads to censorship. We should be able to speak the truth boldly, no matter whom it upsets: president or clown. On the other hand, we ought to be considerate and not use terms that others, especially innocents, may be hurt by. The one on the receiving end is judge of that. I think it is a matter of discretion. Truth comes first; but freedom of speech has to be combined with respecting human dignity.
Agreed that English having more derogatory words than others is unsupported.
Using possibly charged terms to brand a product demonstrates a lack of research on the part of the company. EK, for years, named their water coolers "Supremacy" and the Europeans behind it failed to note the problematic ties that has to racism in the United States. They only recently rebranded, if I'm not mistaken (honestly its too deep into the PC industry for me to be bothered using a search engine to find out), but it is sometimes difficult for the Chinese to understand the cultural implications of brand choices just as much as western companies have oft caused brand errors by attempting to incorporate Asian themes in their own products.
Yes, words don't denote anything, and terms don't connote anything. Congratulations on your *big* discovery. /s
P.S. I have no interest to continue. Please reflect on what aspect of my initial comment triggered you and what that says about how you perceive the world and engage with those around you.
For example, the former Czech Republic is now referred to Czechia in English, as is their wish. It sounds weird to me, but I respect them and so be it. Turkey is now Türkiye in English. Côte d'Ivoire is what the British used to call Ivory Coast, but their colonial French name is how they wish to be referred to in English. More recently India wants to be referred as Bharat in English from the Sanskrit.
All this is just a small slice of human language, its interaction with human culture, and human psychology.
Any good suggestions for the watercooler capable to withstand combined power 800-1500watts of future Turin SP5 socket processors and next generation videocards? Where are old convection cooling desighns without fans which turn our computers into wind turbins or bitcoin mining factories.
I think you are right if you are confident with your custom design but Linus Tech guy kind of discouraged me from doing that despite of his unlimited budget with that. He made one for Genoa and failed miserably as his cooler leaked water. I will try SilverStone XE360-SP5 cooler which looks very weak and if it will also fail to cool below 52C like fail all air coolers with such power constraints i will be forced to invent the bicycle myself. Thanks for pointing on Noctua sterrox fans
[ just got aware of that most reviews for/with novelty hardware is about initial conditions review, but rare later reviews on long term durability or altered parameters (or e.g. MTBF/MTTF (MTTR or MTTA are less meaningful with this type of technical devices) verification) (?) ]
It would be great if charts included thermal & noise values for a reference (stock) air cooler. This is what holds my wallet in my pocket - I don't know what I will achieve with addition of a water cooler. Less noise?
[ improved (lower) heat resistance value from cpu&metalShielding towards ambient surroundings air (without additional case fans), therefore (probably, mostly) lower rpms from (2-)3 cooler fans or more headroom for power demand with a water pump providing sufficient flow for the water liquid (and enough surface area for the metal to water heat exchanger on top of the cpu), additionally one could add other sockets or chipsets or storage cooling demand to one cooling system, for the cost/price its about a decision for ~$15-20 quality fan(s) or a water cooler system (this) ~$120, durability comparison? ]
[ mean heat resistance for liquid coolers (tested on anandtech.com) is ~1.5 lower (for average mean) ~0.08°C/W and at ~38-40db(A) sound pressure level ('https://images.anandtech.com/doci/21211/TRvsSPL.pn... ') compared to direct air fans at ~0.12°C/W and ~34-36db(A) ('https://images.anandtech.com/doci/21231/TRvsSPL.pn... '), results to an increased temperature level (for that 100W tested steady heating power) of ~12°C (vs. 8°C for liquid cooling systems) for ~each 100W heat dissipation from cpu and above ambient temperatures and probably more additional resistance with getting into increased temperature levels (sooner with directly connected air fans with heated ambient air building up with slowing reduction rates for higher air flow rates on reducing heat transfer resistance 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_sink#/media/Fil... ') and that's where the radiator's area advantage for liquid coolers (and) outside the pc case (positioning) adds to silence advantage and heat transfer headroom.
maybe like that: 'idling'-dominated systems might prefer direct air cooling with fans and 'full-load'-dominated systems can be improved by liquid cooling (above ~~100s Watt power demand) ]
[ just another POV for comparison for air 'direct' on-site and AIO water cooling systems, with a win for on-site air cooling fan (double fan Noctua NH-U12A, ~$99) 'https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=515&v=23vjWtUp... summary min8:35' ]
With a giant glowing RGB brand logo right in the middle of the block, this must be some novel new definition of "Subdued Minimalism" that I was not previously aware of.
SPL isn't a terribly informative way to measure noise. I stopped using a Be Quiet! Pure Loop AIO because although it has a very low SPL, the sound it does make has a high Q factor around its central frequency. It is clearly audible as a whining sound from anywhere in the room, regardless of the power demands on the CPU. It makes that AIO useless for people who wanted a quiet system.
[ What's the frequency (spectrum, sound power)? Some tell recognizable sounds is mostly about air within the pump side from possibly permeated cooling liquid over years of duty (and maybe corrected with refilling cooler liquid and more optimized positioning for radiator inlets being on higher height level than the liquid pump)? ]
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0razor1 - Thursday, February 8, 2024 - link
The AC freezer has its number despite being a 240 unit. Check the 240 and 350W load charts!BTW, first?
ballsystemlord - Thursday, February 8, 2024 - link
Spelling/grammar mistake:"The company’s performance specifications for the fans appear a little overconfident, especially the extremely low dB(A) rating, which would suggest that the pump is actually louder than the fan(s) and,as we will also see in the following pages, that is most definitely is not the case."
"that is most definitely is not the case." is incorrect. You need to subtract an "is" or otherwise change the sentence.
Ryan Smith - Friday, February 9, 2024 - link
Thanks!Great_Scott - Thursday, February 8, 2024 - link
Well, it supports ARGB so it fails the attempts at clean minimalism right out the gate.kn00tcn - Thursday, February 8, 2024 - link
then turn it off you ass, a single solid color lit line absolutely is clean minimalism especially if it's the only lit partPeachNCream - Saturday, February 10, 2024 - link
This exchange amuses me greatly. Someone so protective of their own thoughts about computing that they'd resort to a profane insult of someone else's opinion says a lot about the target audience of computer gaming parts and the maturity of their buyers. I would be happy to point out that has changed over the years, but the reality is that as new people cycle in and others mature and depart, only the screen names have changed. The template remains disappointingly the same.osv - Friday, March 15, 2024 - link
i guess that you missed the part where the initial claim by scott was ridiculous, or more like it you probably agree with it, which explains a lot.GhostOfAnand - Thursday, February 8, 2024 - link
The term E----o is offensive.Foeketijn - Friday, February 9, 2024 - link
This product can only be made and named by a company/country that doesn't mind racial slurs.I am waiting for the first ebook series call "Concentration camps".
charlesg - Friday, February 9, 2024 - link
Really?!?What a bizarre world some people live in.
DougMcC - Friday, February 9, 2024 - link
Yep, here's why: "Although the name "Eskimo" was commonly used in Alaska to refer to Inuit and Yupik people of the world, this usage is now considered unacceptable by many or even most Alaska Natives, largely since it is a colonial name imposed by non-Indigenous people."Basically, it's a slaver name not the name used by the people themselves.
charlesg - Friday, February 9, 2024 - link
Okay. I'm pretty sure we're talking about a piece of computer hardware?To be offended by what someone chose to call a piece of computer hardware is just plain bizarre.
Threska - Friday, February 9, 2024 - link
People in Alaska can just open a window if they need a cooler PC.Slash3 - Sunday, February 11, 2024 - link
Can confirm.GeoffreyA - Saturday, February 10, 2024 - link
I never knew the term was offensive, but learnt something new, thanks to the OP's comment. The fact that it's not offensive to me doesn't mean it's not offensive to the people whom it refers to, the people on the receiving end of whatever feelings it evokes. After all, the world doesn't revolve around me and my ideas of what are offensive or not.Sure, it may be a piece of hardware, but the choice reveals a lot. Even if the word wasn't derogatory, it still comes down to using a name of a people flippantly, from the outside, to market a product.
charlesg - Sunday, February 11, 2024 - link
It's out of control.What I'm offended by you being offended?
GeoffreyA - Sunday, February 11, 2024 - link
I agree there's a lot to consider, and I'm not supporting that people should be sensitive to everything that's said. But, on the other hand, English has historically been rife with terms that are derogatory to others.I don't understand. Can you explain?
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, February 14, 2024 - link
You've contradicted yourself. The implication that English somehow has more derogatory words then other languages is unsupported. If all it takes for you to believe something is "deragatory" is a comment saying it is, then you cant really say you're against people being offended by anything that's said.TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, February 14, 2024 - link
Or it's just a word and the naval gazing internet is constantly looking for new words to be triggered by.GeoffreyA - Wednesday, February 14, 2024 - link
TheinsanegamerN, I agree I could have been tighter in my thinking and phrasing; but what I'm calling for is balance, not for or against. I didn't take the comment as fact, but according to Wikipedia, found that it is viewed negatively by the people in question.Again, I do not support people being sensitive to everything said---that leads to censorship. We should be able to speak the truth boldly, no matter whom it upsets: president or clown. On the other hand, we ought to be considerate and not use terms that others, especially innocents, may be hurt by. The one on the receiving end is judge of that. I think it is a matter of discretion. Truth comes first; but freedom of speech has to be combined with respecting human dignity.
Agreed that English having more derogatory words than others is unsupported.
PeachNCream - Saturday, February 10, 2024 - link
Using possibly charged terms to brand a product demonstrates a lack of research on the part of the company. EK, for years, named their water coolers "Supremacy" and the Europeans behind it failed to note the problematic ties that has to racism in the United States. They only recently rebranded, if I'm not mistaken (honestly its too deep into the PC industry for me to be bothered using a search engine to find out), but it is sometimes difficult for the Chinese to understand the cultural implications of brand choices just as much as western companies have oft caused brand errors by attempting to incorporate Asian themes in their own products.TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, February 14, 2024 - link
The term "offensive" is offensive. Why are you so intolerant of the millions who have died in offensive military campaigns throughout human history?GhostOfAnand - Thursday, February 15, 2024 - link
Yes, words don't denote anything, and terms don't connote anything. Congratulations on your *big* discovery. /sP.S. I have no interest to continue. Please reflect on what aspect of my initial comment triggered you and what that says about how you perceive the world and engage with those around you.
For example, the former Czech Republic is now referred to Czechia in English, as is their wish. It sounds weird to me, but I respect them and so be it. Turkey is now Türkiye in English. Côte d'Ivoire is what the British used to call Ivory Coast, but their colonial French name is how they wish to be referred to in English. More recently India wants to be referred as Bharat in English from the Sanskrit.
All this is just a small slice of human language, its interaction with human culture, and human psychology.
SanX - Friday, February 9, 2024 - link
Any good suggestions for the watercooler capable to withstand combined power 800-1500watts of future Turin SP5 socket processors and next generation videocards? Where are old convection cooling desighns without fans which turn our computers into wind turbins or bitcoin mining factories.meacupla - Friday, February 9, 2024 - link
Yeah, go full custom, and have at least 2x360 or 2x280 radiators, and use noctua sterrox fans.SanX - Saturday, February 10, 2024 - link
I think you are right if you are confident with your custom design but Linus Tech guy kind of discouraged me from doing that despite of his unlimited budget with that. He made one for Genoa and failed miserably as his cooler leaked water. I will try SilverStone XE360-SP5 cooler which looks very weak and if it will also fail to cool below 52C like fail all air coolers with such power constraints i will be forced to invent the bicycle myself. Thanks for pointing on Noctua sterrox fansSanX - Sunday, February 11, 2024 - link
52C is throttling temperature. Yes, as low as this. Any reference on good high power custom designs and the source of reliable parts for it?meacupla - Sunday, February 11, 2024 - link
You should go ask somewhere like Level1tech forums, where there is a larger base of EPYC users.back2future - Monday, February 12, 2024 - link
[ just got aware of that most reviews for/with novelty hardware is about initial conditions review, but rare later reviews on long term durability or altered parameters (or e.g. MTBF/MTTF (MTTR or MTTA are less meaningful with this type of technical devices) verification) (?) ]TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, February 14, 2024 - link
Linus also has lost two entire data racks and major backups because he doesn't know how modern server storage arrays work.In case its not spelled out, he's a bit of a derp. Take what LTT does with a morton factory of salt.
m3city - Friday, February 9, 2024 - link
It would be great if charts included thermal & noise values for a reference (stock) air cooler. This is what holds my wallet in my pocket - I don't know what I will achieve with addition of a water cooler. Less noise?back2future - Friday, February 9, 2024 - link
[ improved (lower) heat resistance value from cpu&metalShielding towards ambient surroundings air (without additional case fans), therefore (probably, mostly) lower rpms from (2-)3 cooler fans or more headroom for power demand with a water pump providing sufficient flow for the water liquid (and enough surface area for the metal to water heat exchanger on top of the cpu), additionally one could add other sockets or chipsets or storage cooling demand to one cooling system, for the cost/price its about a decision for ~$15-20 quality fan(s) or a water cooler system (this) ~$120, durability comparison? ]back2future - Monday, February 12, 2024 - link
['Most CLCs are copper blocks and aluminum radiators. Replacing the coolant in a mixed metal loop with just distilled water will probably result in corrosion issues before too long.' (?)'https://www.overclock.net/threads/how-long-is-the-... '
'https://gadgetmates.com/understanding-the-lifespan... ' ]
back2future - Monday, February 12, 2024 - link
[ mean heat resistance for liquid coolers (tested on anandtech.com) is ~1.5 lower (for average mean) ~0.08°C/W and at ~38-40db(A) sound pressure level ('https://images.anandtech.com/doci/21211/TRvsSPL.pn... ') compared to direct air fans at ~0.12°C/W and ~34-36db(A) ('https://images.anandtech.com/doci/21231/TRvsSPL.pn... '), results to an increased temperature level (for that 100W tested steady heating power) of ~12°C (vs. 8°C for liquid cooling systems) for ~each 100W heat dissipation from cpu and above ambient temperatures and probably more additional resistance with getting into increased temperature levels (sooner with directly connected air fans with heated ambient air building up with slowing reduction rates for higher air flow rates on reducing heat transfer resistance 'https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_sink#/media/Fil... ') and that's where the radiator's area advantage for liquid coolers (and) outside the pc case (positioning) adds to silence advantage and heat transfer headroom.maybe like that: 'idling'-dominated systems might prefer direct air cooling with fans and 'full-load'-dominated systems can be improved by liquid cooling (above ~~100s Watt power demand) ]
back2future - Wednesday, February 14, 2024 - link
[ just another POV for comparison for air 'direct' on-site and AIO water cooling systems, with a win for on-site air cooling fan (double fan Noctua NH-U12A, ~$99)'https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=515&v=23vjWtUp... summary min8:35' ]
edzieba - Monday, February 12, 2024 - link
With a giant glowing RGB brand logo right in the middle of the block, this must be some novel new definition of "Subdued Minimalism" that I was not previously aware of.bwj - Tuesday, February 13, 2024 - link
SPL isn't a terribly informative way to measure noise. I stopped using a Be Quiet! Pure Loop AIO because although it has a very low SPL, the sound it does make has a high Q factor around its central frequency. It is clearly audible as a whining sound from anywhere in the room, regardless of the power demands on the CPU. It makes that AIO useless for people who wanted a quiet system.back2future - Wednesday, February 14, 2024 - link
[ What's the frequency (spectrum, sound power)? Some tell recognizable sounds is mostly about air within the pump side from possibly permeated cooling liquid over years of duty (and maybe corrected with refilling cooler liquid and more optimized positioning for radiator inlets being on higher height level than the liquid pump)? ]