I never would have thought AMD would launch a 5700X3D. It seems like a bad choice, even if you are upgrading an AM4 system. 5800X3D goes for around $270~300 street price.
I would not bother building a new system with AM4 either. R5 7600 is $229, i5-12400F is $150, and 12400 is $160.
My apologies; I should have been more precise. The MSI B450 Tomahawk, according to many, struggles with the 5600G, despite MSI claiming support. I have the Tomahawk and wanted this APU as an upgrade, but was disappointed to read all the bad experiences. I think Vermeer works, so it's possible the graphics is causing some mischief.
And both motherboard makers and AMD are seemingly sheltered under the defence that Zen 3 was never intended to work on B450, but support was given out of kindness.
I'm running an Asus Prime B450 board that was "bundled" with the Ryzen 5 5600X3D at Microcenter last year. It's been running totally stable for months. Sounds like MSI failed to update their BIOS for AGESA 1.2.0A to properly support 5000 series chips.
That's the thing. MSI has updated to AGESA 1.2.0.A, but the trouble with the Tomahawk + 5600G is pervasive online. Some say taking out RAM sticks or disabling TPM helps, but others have no luck. Seems to be something with the Tomahawk's design or BIOS. In the end, I decided it's not worth it.
"As they are the same silicon as the other Ryzen 5000 series APUs, both the Ryzen 5 5600GT and 5500G include 16 x PCIe 4.0 lanes for a discrete graphics card should users wish to upgrade, as well as 4 x PCIe 4.0 lanes interlinking the chip to the chipset and 4 x PCIe 4.0 lanes designated for an M.2 storage drive."
Cezanne does not support pcie 4.0 - all of these lanes are pcie 3.0.
Wouldn't a gamer get a better result from the 5600X3D? The 5600X3D has fewer cores and higher clock speeds than the 5700X3D, but gaming doesn't depend so much on cores and you'd get a larger IPS from the higher clock speeds. If I was a gaming AND compute user, then I could see a benefit for the 5700X3D. But if I want to save money for gaming and have that L3 cache, it sounds like the 5600X3D is a better choice.
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meacupla - Monday, January 8, 2024 - link
I never would have thought AMD would launch a 5700X3D. It seems like a bad choice, even if you are upgrading an AM4 system. 5800X3D goes for around $270~300 street price.I would not bother building a new system with AM4 either.
R5 7600 is $229, i5-12400F is $150, and 12400 is $160.
ratbert1 - Tuesday, January 9, 2024 - link
You can get 5800x for that price, not the X3D.GeoffreyA - Monday, January 8, 2024 - link
Thanks for the article. It stinks though that some B450 motherboards can't even run the 5000G chips.kn00tcn - Monday, January 8, 2024 - link
they can't? did you mean B350?GeoffreyA - Monday, January 8, 2024 - link
My apologies; I should have been more precise. The MSI B450 Tomahawk, according to many, struggles with the 5600G, despite MSI claiming support. I have the Tomahawk and wanted this APU as an upgrade, but was disappointed to read all the bad experiences. I think Vermeer works, so it's possible the graphics is causing some mischief.GeoffreyA - Monday, January 8, 2024 - link
And both motherboard makers and AMD are seemingly sheltered under the defence that Zen 3 was never intended to work on B450, but support was given out of kindness.Samus - Tuesday, January 9, 2024 - link
I'm running an Asus Prime B450 board that was "bundled" with the Ryzen 5 5600X3D at Microcenter last year. It's been running totally stable for months. Sounds like MSI failed to update their BIOS for AGESA 1.2.0A to properly support 5000 series chips.GeoffreyA - Tuesday, January 9, 2024 - link
That's the thing. MSI has updated to AGESA 1.2.0.A, but the trouble with the Tomahawk + 5600G is pervasive online. Some say taking out RAM sticks or disabling TPM helps, but others have no luck. Seems to be something with the Tomahawk's design or BIOS. In the end, I decided it's not worth it.mczak - Monday, January 8, 2024 - link
"As they are the same silicon as the other Ryzen 5000 series APUs, both the Ryzen 5 5600GT and 5500G include 16 x PCIe 4.0 lanes for a discrete graphics card should users wish to upgrade, as well as 4 x PCIe 4.0 lanes interlinking the chip to the chipset and 4 x PCIe 4.0 lanes designated for an M.2 storage drive."Cezanne does not support pcie 4.0 - all of these lanes are pcie 3.0.
Ryan Smith - Monday, January 8, 2024 - link
You are correct! Thank you.ballsystemlord - Monday, January 8, 2024 - link
AMD: "We're downgrading support for Vega."Also AMD: "We're releasing new products based on Vega."
Perhaps your company needs to see a psychiatrist?
nandnandnand - Wednesday, January 10, 2024 - link
"Downgrading support" = in other words, still supported.ballsystemlord - Wednesday, January 10, 2024 - link
Yes, I know. I worded it very intentionally.Oxford Guy - Friday, January 12, 2024 - link
'Downgrading support = in other words, still supported.'Oh please.
Dolda2000 - Monday, January 22, 2024 - link
What they're saying is that Vega drivers are mature enough to not need regular updates, which is probably true.BloodyBunnySlippers - Wednesday, January 10, 2024 - link
Wouldn't a gamer get a better result from the 5600X3D? The 5600X3D has fewer cores and higher clock speeds than the 5700X3D, but gaming doesn't depend so much on cores and you'd get a larger IPS from the higher clock speeds. If I was a gaming AND compute user, then I could see a benefit for the 5700X3D. But if I want to save money for gaming and have that L3 cache, it sounds like the 5600X3D is a better choice.nfineon - Tuesday, January 16, 2024 - link
A $20 difference between 6 core X3D and 8 core? Take the 8 core every single time, there is no reason for the 5600 x3d to exist.