And also, who cares about them anyways. In real world scenario's they aren't even that much fast, if any. Since their power consumption is so insane they either throttle or you need a serious cooling block. I'd take the current gen PCIe4 SSD's over the current gen PCIe5 SSD's any day of the week.
[ time saved with PCIe5 is spent with objecting all 'legitimate interest' check boxes on 'special' web sites(?), with thinking 'Who are these hundreds/thousand(s) web companies listed?', guessing You are fast with 1sec/'check box', some pages would require up to 10-15mins, without reading all additional information 1TB (~full disk size, fast) data transfer for PCIe4 ~130s, for PCIe5 ~90s, PCIe3 ~250-300s ]
Sorry, to me these are contradicting logical system disturbances/flaws, with urging higher hardware capabilities and on the other hand building up obstacles with configuration efforts (with confessing not to understand all social implications within a background behind that 'legitimate interest' structures) Does this need even more efficient grammar for space?
On arriving early PCIe4 there were difficulties with higher heat on chipset area through improved/increased data transfer capabilities (seems in reality it's about twice on bandwidth to storage devices with PCIe transfer speed doubled from 8 to 16GT/s, PCIe4_x16 (16 dual-simplex lanes==16*4 data cables, pins 22&(x1_14,x4_42,x8_76)x16_142 ) ~32GB/s, PCIe_M.2 (upto 4 lanes, PCIe5_@2023, ideally) ~8GB/s, FEC arrives with PCIe6 )
LOL. Is this a human or ChatGPT? Spitting out walls of text of information from specification sheets with ad infinitum conjunctions and commas does not make you smart. You are the living exemplification of this famous quote: "Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?" Wise up. PCIe 5.0 is substantially hotter and draws more power, so it is not worth it.
Unlike Gen 3, many Gen 4 drives are still a problem for many laptops since the idle power is too high. Gen 5 is even worse and there is yet to be a low power solution worth consideration. The current ETA of Gen 5 NVMes for laptops is late 2024 at best just because of how bad the power situation is.
Check out the YouTube benchmarks of PCIe 3, 4, and 5 drives. Time to download a large file (like a game level loading) - 27, 25, 24 seconds respectively. PCIe 5 is really not useful yet to anyone.
Are there any 8TB+ consumer grade SSDs on the horizon? Memory prices are low enough for such products to make perfect sense, but you can count all of them on a single hand. And only single one I know of is intended for M2 slot (and is seriously overpriced for the capacity). Where are ~400EUR/USD 8TB M2 drives?
Unfortunately the market for them is still relatively small. At that price point, cost becomes prohibitive for many, so they end up going for HDDs. Sabrent is the only company that has consistently invested in that capacity, and they’ve had issues because of the specific NAND they’ve had to use.
8TB SSD support for the PS5 is actually a high driver for change, and we might see more competition. However, not everyone wants to pay for storage that costs more than their console. I’m using 8TB SSDs for PS5 internal and external storage, though I’m highly abnormal in that regard.
Crucial refuses to sell a 4TB PCIe4 flash drive. We bought an Acer Predator GM700 4TB drive and I just verified it last weekend. It has Crucial TLC but it actually has a good endurance warranty, the Crucial endurance warranties are at the bottom of the industry! That does not speak well of Crucial since they are making the chips themselves!
I see the individual cell P/E cycle endurance for TLC is still a positively underwhelming 600. Thanks NAND for that wonderful lack of technological advancement. /sarcasm
The endurance really has dropped on these TLC crucial products over the years. Their 1TB SSD, the MP510, had 1700TBW. Now even their 2TB drive doesn't even have that much endurance.
Why's the endurance rating even lower than some DRAM-less ssds with MAP1602+YMTC232L combination? Also, the rated random iops is lower than SK Hynix Platinum P41 (or Solidigm P44 Pro). And Phison E25 is probably targeting more performance instead of better efficiency. And SK Hynix achieved that on a 4-channel controller and 1600MT/s flash.
The problem really is although since 2000 NAND Flash memory served us well, and is a big improvement over Hard Disk Drive (HDD), it is a high power consumption storage, non byte addressable, low endurance (10E6) and high latency (microsecond) read/write access compared to many new emerging Non-Volatile-Memory (NVM) like for example MRAM (especially SOT-MRAM, VG-SOT-MRAM,…).
But as of 2023, as NAND Flash has become reasonably cheap and continue to get cheaper, there is no financial incentive for Samsung, Sk Hynix, Micron,… to significantly allocate resources to scale-up manufacturing of new emerging NVM like MRAM that can be more power efficient, lower latency (nanosecond), higher endurance (10E12), byte addressable,…
Some further breakthrough and financial incentive would be badly needed because MRAM and spintronics related technologies (ex: Intel MESO concept,…) are likely what is TRULY to get much, much, much better power efficiency (1000x+), lower latency (1000x+),…
It is what the US Chips act should have been used for: kickstart the next evolution in semiconductor manufacturing by helping scaling up spintronics related technologies (MRAM,…) to have the US retake their leadership…
Are you sure the drive supports the TCG Opal 2.0 Hardware Encryption? Where do you have this information from? I have tried to use the T500 controller hardware encryption with BitLocker but it is not supported. It can only do software encryption.
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Threska - Tuesday, October 31, 2023 - link
"...Gen4 units are still a sweet spot in terms of system compatibility, price, and performance for many use-cases."Need to bloat our OSes more.
SanX - Tuesday, October 31, 2023 - link
Who are sleeping, Crucial, Anandtech or both? Time for PCIe 5 for a year or two already.meacupla - Tuesday, October 31, 2023 - link
What are you talking about?Crucial had their Gen5 T700 out since May 2023.
It used the first available Gen5 controller, the Phison E26.
In fact, Anandtech did cover the T700 back in March, when it was first announced.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/18786/crucial-preps...
BvOvO - Wednesday, November 1, 2023 - link
And also, who cares about them anyways. In real world scenario's they aren't even that much fast, if any. Since their power consumption is so insane they either throttle or you need a serious cooling block. I'd take the current gen PCIe4 SSD's over the current gen PCIe5 SSD's any day of the week.back2future - Wednesday, November 1, 2023 - link
[ time saved with PCIe5 is spent with objecting all 'legitimate interest' check boxes on 'special' web sites(?), with thinking 'Who are these hundreds/thousand(s) web companies listed?', guessing You are fast with 1sec/'check box', some pages would require up to 10-15mins, without reading all additional information1TB (~full disk size, fast) data transfer for PCIe4 ~130s, for PCIe5 ~90s, PCIe3 ~250-300s ]
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, November 1, 2023 - link
What is this space grammar?back2future - Thursday, November 2, 2023 - link
Sorry, to me these are contradicting logical system disturbances/flaws, with urging higher hardware capabilities and on the other hand building up obstacles with configuration efforts (with confessing not to understand all social implications within a background behind that 'legitimate interest' structures)Does this need even more efficient grammar for space?
On arriving early PCIe4 there were difficulties with higher heat on chipset area through improved/increased data transfer capabilities (seems in reality it's about twice on bandwidth to storage devices with PCIe transfer speed doubled from 8 to 16GT/s, PCIe4_x16 (16 dual-simplex lanes==16*4 data cables, pins 22&(x1_14,x4_42,x8_76)x16_142 ) ~32GB/s, PCIe_M.2 (upto 4 lanes, PCIe5_@2023, ideally) ~8GB/s, FEC arrives with PCIe6 )
Hifihedgehog - Monday, November 6, 2023 - link
LOL. Is this a human or ChatGPT? Spitting out walls of text of information from specification sheets with ad infinitum conjunctions and commas does not make you smart. You are the living exemplification of this famous quote: "Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?" Wise up. PCIe 5.0 is substantially hotter and draws more power, so it is not worth it.TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, November 1, 2023 - link
People said the same thing when gen 4 drives came out.Hifihedgehog - Monday, November 6, 2023 - link
Unlike Gen 3, many Gen 4 drives are still a problem for many laptops since the idle power is too high. Gen 5 is even worse and there is yet to be a low power solution worth consideration. The current ETA of Gen 5 NVMes for laptops is late 2024 at best just because of how bad the power situation is.systemBuilder33 - Wednesday, November 15, 2023 - link
Check out the YouTube benchmarks of PCIe 3, 4, and 5 drives. Time to download a large file (like a game level loading) - 27, 25, 24 seconds respectively. PCIe 5 is really not useful yet to anyone.qap - Wednesday, November 1, 2023 - link
Are there any 8TB+ consumer grade SSDs on the horizon? Memory prices are low enough for such products to make perfect sense, but you can count all of them on a single hand. And only single one I know of is intended for M2 slot (and is seriously overpriced for the capacity). Where are ~400EUR/USD 8TB M2 drives?Jansen - Wednesday, November 1, 2023 - link
Unfortunately the market for them is still relatively small. At that price point, cost becomes prohibitive for many, so they end up going for HDDs. Sabrent is the only company that has consistently invested in that capacity, and they’ve had issues because of the specific NAND they’ve had to use.8TB SSD support for the PS5 is actually a high driver for change, and we might see more competition. However, not everyone wants to pay for storage that costs more than their console. I’m using 8TB SSDs for PS5 internal and external storage, though I’m highly abnormal in that regard.
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, November 1, 2023 - link
Crucial and sabrent both have them.systemBuilder33 - Wednesday, November 15, 2023 - link
Crucial refuses to sell a 4TB PCIe4 flash drive. We bought an Acer Predator GM700 4TB drive and I just verified it last weekend. It has Crucial TLC but it actually has a good endurance warranty, the Crucial endurance warranties are at the bottom of the industry! That does not speak well of Crucial since they are making the chips themselves!PeachNCream - Wednesday, November 1, 2023 - link
I see the individual cell P/E cycle endurance for TLC is still a positively underwhelming 600. Thanks NAND for that wonderful lack of technological advancement. /sarcasmballsystemlord - Wednesday, November 1, 2023 - link
The endurance really has dropped on these TLC crucial products over the years. Their 1TB SSD, the MP510, had 1700TBW. Now even their 2TB drive doesn't even have that much endurance.hydrocryo01 - Thursday, November 2, 2023 - link
Why's the endurance rating even lower than some DRAM-less ssds with MAP1602+YMTC232L combination?Also, the rated random iops is lower than SK Hynix Platinum P41 (or Solidigm P44 Pro). And Phison E25 is probably targeting more performance instead of better efficiency. And SK Hynix achieved that on a 4-channel controller and 1600MT/s flash.
Diogene7 - Tuesday, November 14, 2023 - link
The problem really is although since 2000 NAND Flash memory served us well, and is a big improvement over Hard Disk Drive (HDD), it is a high power consumption storage, non byte addressable, low endurance (10E6) and high latency (microsecond) read/write access compared to many new emerging Non-Volatile-Memory (NVM) like for example MRAM (especially SOT-MRAM, VG-SOT-MRAM,…).But as of 2023, as NAND Flash has become reasonably cheap and continue to get cheaper, there is no financial incentive for Samsung, Sk Hynix, Micron,… to significantly allocate resources to scale-up manufacturing of new emerging NVM like MRAM that can be more power efficient, lower latency (nanosecond), higher endurance (10E12), byte addressable,…
Some further breakthrough and financial incentive would be badly needed because MRAM and spintronics related technologies (ex: Intel MESO concept,…) are likely what is TRULY to get much, much, much better power efficiency (1000x+), lower latency (1000x+),…
It is what the US Chips act should have been used for: kickstart the next evolution in semiconductor manufacturing by helping scaling up spintronics related technologies (MRAM,…) to have the US retake their leadership…
The Dane - Tuesday, January 16, 2024 - link
Are you sure the drive supports the TCG Opal 2.0 Hardware Encryption? Where do you have this information from? I have tried to use the T500 controller hardware encryption with BitLocker but it is not supported. It can only do software encryption.