The frequencies need to be swapped in the table: "AMD Ryzen Threadripper 7000 Pro WX-Series (Zen 4)" too. I also noticed this mix up as well: "WRX90 boards will support 8 channel of memory, for up to 1 TB of DDR5-5200 RDIMMs"
intel answer to this is a dual socket motherboard just like in the Xeon series. For every 1p sales of AMD , Intel has to counter it with a 2P sales to come near in performance. The additional wasted power consumption, numa complexity, etc. is something they prefer not to mention....
That was an answer to the Zen 3 based Threadrippers. We know that the current SPR based Xeon's are only really able to compete with Epyc 7003 series when accelerators aren't used.
Something not mentioned in the article but that should be touched upon: I don't think the IOD in these new Threadripper/TR PRO lineups has any kind of integrated GPU, unlike the Radeon GPU that is in the Ryzen 7000 series IOD. That means a discrete GPU, even if just a low-end one, is required. Maybe I am wrong about that though.
ASPEED will absolutely land on the motherboard PCB where needed and they don't add a lot of cost to an already rather expansive board. Lets get our ASPEED game on!
In fairness, we should wait until there are comparable benchmarks from reputable sources. Although AMD has a reputation for publishing more accurate TDP numbers than Intel, we really shouldn't squirm in our seats until a disinterested third party takes measurements.
Why is the base clock on the 7980X so low? Even the 3990X had a higher base clock than that, and it had a lower TDP! The 7985WX has a much higher base clock with the same TDP and more PCIe/memory lanes to boot. The other SKUs seem to have more reasonable base clocks, but why the outlier?
Ninety-six threads...in a workstation. Jeepers! This triggered a fit of nostalgia and I went and read a bit of Wikipedia on the VAX 8300/8350. These were dual processor (2 cores, in modernspeak), each 5-6.5 Mhz, and fit in a single 8U enclosure without the storage.
IBM Power11 will have 1024-bit registers, but still no flying cars. :(
There won't be flying cars for a long time people can barely drive as is. We may see flying automated taxis at some point but expected fully automated road cars first that can speak to each other and will basically be a taxi.
Flying cars?! NO! Driving is scary enough without adding altitude as a factor. Hyper-aggressive pickup truck beard face rednecks are already working as hard as possible to intimidate and kill anyone that respects the posted speed limit. We don't need those irresponsible morons in the sky. I'd just be happy with vehicles being illegal to own and a fleet of efficient, fully automated cars available as a transportation-as-a service model. We need fewer impatient, gun-touting crazies that have no emotional control driving.
Flying cars would never be manually controllable. The user base would be too small if a pilot's license was a prerequisite to ownership. So the morons you speak of will be limited to controlling ground vehicles.
It is funny how long ago outsider starting with cheap processors after becoming a leader started packing its 10-20 dollars to produce chiplets into 10000 dollar arm and leg products. 50-100x profit
If there was huge overwhelming demand (instead of monopoly-duopoly) these processors would cost like the ones for cell phones, which are not any simpler from the inside or more easy to manufacture though somehow succeed to cost 10x less.
One AMD 8core tile has similar transistor count as all major cellphone processors and technologically latter ones are even more advanced. Doubt one 8core AMD tile costs more than 10 bucks to manufacture. Do the rest of math yourselves
This socket is also used by AMD's Sienna platform which houses Zen 4c dies. It appears that most of these are still Zen 4 instead of the C variant to reach the higher clock speeds. I do wonder if higher clocked Zen 4 parts are going to appear in the Eypc 8004 series. On the other end of things, it'd be interesting to see if any motherboard maker will enable unofficial Sienna support.
I do wonder if we'll be seeing V-cache enabled variants or if AMD will keep that feature isolated to the larger Epyc socket for servers. or the consumer focused AM5 for gaming. I'd also curious if AMD will release any low core, high clock, V-cache enabled parts. These are great for the high single threaded performance due to the clocks and insane amounts of cache per core.
Overall, this announcement seems a bit rushed looking at other pieces on it. It makes me feel like this was moved forward. I wonder if AMD is clearing space on the time line for the appearance of Zen 5 which makes me feel like it'll be sooner rather later (CES preview?). AMD's CPU division has been firing on all cylinders and Intel has given them another opportunity with the rebranded 13th gen as 14th gen from Intel.
a ~7950X bandwidth for 4x DRAM DDR5-6000 ~73-78-81GB/s(cp,rd,wr) (cp ~3/4 on Zen4 128bit memory data bus, theoretically 96GB/s) a 16 core, multithread, L1data read bandwidth ~4-(4.x)TB/s (lower to ~equal 32kB/core, 512kB)
I'm a TR 3960X owner, and was alright spending dollars to get into HEDT for the substantial increase in PCIe lanes back then, but I feel like these non-pro versions have been neutered into no-longer-worth-it territory. I'd drop $2k on a CPU if it came with 128 lanes of PCIe 5, but I feel like the Pro versions are gonna clock in substantially higher than that. This is a disappointment.
Sorry, I bumped the reply button before I finished:
… The market for people needing and capable of spending the phenomenal cost of equipment that demands all PCIe 5 lanes but refuses to spend more than $2000 on the CPU is tiny. I don’t see how AMD missed there.
Gavin, in the second AnandTech table, thanks for inculding the I/O die to CCD quantity makeup as this is the first report that I've seen that shares the MCM configuration of the Threadripper Pro models - please do the same for the non-pro versions as well.
The Impact of L3 cache on Ansys Fluent slide from AMD doesn't make a lot of sense to me. What it is saying is that if you double the L3 cache per thread for the application in question, the performance increases by up to 12%, which looks to be an 8% average increase overall. Does this performance increase make sense when you would have to typically pay 2x the cost ($3K) to upgrade from a 5975WX to its 5995WX bigger brother? Who would seriously do that? This only makes sense if you had purchased the 5995WX as a render machine and had workstation time available to run the Ansys Fluent application.
To me, what would make sense would be to do this test using a single CPU. So, if we were just testing the 5975WX, you would test with cache pinning on and then off to see what performance gains would be made. The only way it would make sense to double the L3 cache would be to test the same CPU that had an additional 32 MB of 3D cache per chiplet, which would increase the total level 3 cache to 256MB, which would make it the same as the 2x more expensive 5995WX. AMD doesn't currently offer such a part but in my mind that would be the most appropiate way to run this test.
If you agree with this analysis, please ask AMD to further explain its thinking.
"The higher spec of the two is WRX90, which is specifically designed for the Ryzen Threadripper 7000 Pro WX-series. WRX90 boards will support 8 channels of memory, for up to 1 TB of DDR5-5200 RDIMMs." Pretty sure this was supposed to be 2TB for the WRX90 spec.
Good correction, according to the table above that lists non-pro at 1 TB and pro to 2 TB, which also makes logical sense in light of previous generations. I saw that too and went back to the table. Scary to say, but 1 TB for a pro doesn't make sense now. Soon it will be 8 TB. Looking forward to running the whole OS in RAM with big disk caches for lighting speed. I only have 256 GB in my TRPro, and I don't know what do do with it when not running many VMs.
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Makaveli - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
This was a great write up lots of info thank you.colonelclaw - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
Typo in "AMD Ryzen Threadripper 7000 Pro WX-Series (Zen 4)" table. Base and Turbo frequencies the wrong way around on 5 of the SKUs.Ryan Smith - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
Fixed. Thanks!love2fly59 - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
The frequencies need to be swapped in the table: "AMD Ryzen Threadripper 7000 Pro WX-Series (Zen 4)" too.
I also noticed this mix up as well: "WRX90 boards will support 8 channel of memory, for up to 1 TB of DDR5-5200 RDIMMs"
meacupla - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
Intel's answer to this will be.... a 5000W CPU, my guess.duploxxx - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
intel answer to this is a dual socket motherboard just like in the Xeon series. For every 1p sales of AMD , Intel has to counter it with a 2P sales to come near in performance. The additional wasted power consumption, numa complexity, etc. is something they prefer not to mention....im.thatoneguy - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
Actually Intel had a very sensible answer to this announced 6 months ago.https://www.anandtech.com/show/18741/intel-launche...
schujj07 - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
That was an answer to the Zen 3 based Threadrippers. We know that the current SPR based Xeon's are only really able to compete with Epyc 7003 series when accelerators aren't used.CrystalCowboy - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
"There are quite a few integral implementations through gritty"This could use some work. I would offer a suggestion but I can't figure out what was intended.
Ryan Smith - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
Spell checkers (AI!) run amok. Thanks!NextGen_Gamer - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
Something not mentioned in the article but that should be touched upon: I don't think the IOD in these new Threadripper/TR PRO lineups has any kind of integrated GPU, unlike the Radeon GPU that is in the Ryzen 7000 series IOD. That means a discrete GPU, even if just a low-end one, is required. Maybe I am wrong about that though.im.thatoneguy - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
I'd assume since TR Pro usually has out_-of-band management that it must have some sort of basic display device.
ZoZo - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
Some motherboards will have that in the form of an ASPEED chip for IPMI.PeachNCream - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
ASPEED will absolutely land on the motherboard PCB where needed and they don't add a lot of cost to an already rather expansive board. Lets get our ASPEED game on!patel21 - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
Wow 350W TDP for upto 96 Cores Threadripper vs 420W for 14th Gen i9 !!!PeachNCream - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
In fairness, we should wait until there are comparable benchmarks from reputable sources. Although AMD has a reputation for publishing more accurate TDP numbers than Intel, we really shouldn't squirm in our seats until a disinterested third party takes measurements.FatFlatulentGit - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
Why is the base clock on the 7980X so low? Even the 3990X had a higher base clock than that, and it had a lower TDP! The 7985WX has a much higher base clock with the same TDP and more PCIe/memory lanes to boot. The other SKUs seem to have more reasonable base clocks, but why the outlier?thomasjkenney - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
Ninety-six threads...in a workstation. Jeepers! This triggered a fit of nostalgia and I went and read a bit of Wikipedia on the VAX 8300/8350. These were dual processor (2 cores, in modernspeak), each 5-6.5 Mhz, and fit in a single 8U enclosure without the storage.IBM Power11 will have 1024-bit registers, but still no flying cars. :(
Makaveli - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
There won't be flying cars for a long time people can barely drive as is. We may see flying automated taxis at some point but expected fully automated road cars first that can speak to each other and will basically be a taxi.PeachNCream - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
Flying cars?! NO! Driving is scary enough without adding altitude as a factor. Hyper-aggressive pickup truck beard face rednecks are already working as hard as possible to intimidate and kill anyone that respects the posted speed limit. We don't need those irresponsible morons in the sky. I'd just be happy with vehicles being illegal to own and a fleet of efficient, fully automated cars available as a transportation-as-a service model. We need fewer impatient, gun-touting crazies that have no emotional control driving.charlesg - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
Your political ideology is showing again.PeachNCream - Friday, October 20, 2023 - link
Don't be silly. There isn't a political sub-group that wants someone to threaten them with a firearm during a road rage incident.FunBunny2 - Sunday, October 22, 2023 - link
Don't be silly. There isn't a political sub-group that wants someone to threaten them with a firearm during a road rage incident.Depends whether your neighborhood is red or blue. :)
The Von Matrices - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
Flying cars would never be manually controllable. The user base would be too small if a pilot's license was a prerequisite to ownership. So the morons you speak of will be limited to controlling ground vehicles.JeromePower - Friday, October 20, 2023 - link
Cautionary tale of the over-trained.Your flood of data and aversion to entropy is why you refuse to explore, and never innovate.
You will be able to drive yourself, but never wreck yourself; and bud, anew.
Maybe it's the next model.
SanX - Thursday, October 19, 2023 - link
It is funny how long ago outsider starting with cheap processors after becoming a leader started packing its 10-20 dollars to produce chiplets into 10000 dollar arm and leg products. 50-100x profitThreska - Saturday, October 21, 2023 - link
Physics demands it. Economics demands it. Customers demands it.SanX - Monday, October 23, 2023 - link
If there was huge overwhelming demand (instead of monopoly-duopoly) these processors would cost like the ones for cell phones, which are not any simpler from the inside or more easy to manufacture though somehow succeed to cost 10x less.SanX - Monday, October 23, 2023 - link
One AMD 8core tile has similar transistor count as all major cellphone processors and technologically latter ones are even more advanced. Doubt one 8core AMD tile costs more than 10 bucks to manufacture. Do the rest of math yourselvesIgor_Kavinski - Friday, October 20, 2023 - link
7960X price shattered my dreams of having one in this life. Thank you, AMD.SanX - Monday, October 23, 2023 - link
When their next generations will show the price tags in the $20,000 range, you will think that before they were overpriced more reasonablyKevin G - Friday, October 20, 2023 - link
This socket is also used by AMD's Sienna platform which houses Zen 4c dies. It appears that most of these are still Zen 4 instead of the C variant to reach the higher clock speeds. I do wonder if higher clocked Zen 4 parts are going to appear in the Eypc 8004 series. On the other end of things, it'd be interesting to see if any motherboard maker will enable unofficial Sienna support.I do wonder if we'll be seeing V-cache enabled variants or if AMD will keep that feature isolated to the larger Epyc socket for servers. or the consumer focused AM5 for gaming. I'd also curious if AMD will release any low core, high clock, V-cache enabled parts. These are great for the high single threaded performance due to the clocks and insane amounts of cache per core.
Overall, this announcement seems a bit rushed looking at other pieces on it. It makes me feel like this was moved forward. I wonder if AMD is clearing space on the time line for the appearance of Zen 5 which makes me feel like it'll be sooner rather later (CES preview?). AMD's CPU division has been firing on all cylinders and Intel has given them another opportunity with the rebranded 13th gen as 14th gen from Intel.
back2future - Friday, October 20, 2023 - link
a ~7950X bandwidth for 4x DRAM DDR5-6000 ~73-78-81GB/s(cp,rd,wr) (cp ~3/4 on Zen4 128bit memory data bus, theoretically 96GB/s)a 16 core, multithread, L1data read bandwidth ~4-(4.x)TB/s (lower to ~equal 32kB/core, 512kB)
skavac - Friday, October 20, 2023 - link
Could you check if the 4ccd sku is using GMI3-WIDE? I'm not sure since the slides didn't mention it.ocrim - Saturday, October 21, 2023 - link
Is it scheduled a 12 memory channel with 3D cache?nandnandnand - Sunday, October 22, 2023 - link
Even if they add 3D cache versions, which seems unlikely, there's no way they would increase memory channels.stefanurkel - Saturday, October 21, 2023 - link
Not enough cores. I'll wait for Threadripper Pro 7000.nunya112 - Saturday, October 21, 2023 - link
i never thought id see the day HEDT or workstations got more than 24 cores. now we at 96@@@!!!NINETY-SIX JUST WTF AM I LIVING IN RIGHT NOW LOL
hubick - Saturday, October 21, 2023 - link
I'm a TR 3960X owner, and was alright spending dollars to get into HEDT for the substantial increase in PCIe lanes back then, but I feel like these non-pro versions have been neutered into no-longer-worth-it territory. I'd drop $2k on a CPU if it came with 128 lanes of PCIe 5, but I feel like the Pro versions are gonna clock in substantially higher than that. This is a disappointment.The Hardcard - Sunday, October 22, 2023 - link
Any set of cards that are restricted by 48 PCIe 5 + 32 PCIe 4 are going to cost well above $50,000, more likely more than $100,000.The Hardcard - Sunday, October 22, 2023 - link
Sorry, I bumped the reply button before I finished:… The market for people needing and capable of spending the phenomenal cost of equipment that demands all PCIe 5 lanes but refuses to spend more than $2000 on the CPU is tiny. I don’t see how AMD missed there.
nandnandnand - Sunday, October 22, 2023 - link
What are you going to do with more than 80 lanes?Roddybabes - Sunday, October 22, 2023 - link
Gavin, in the second AnandTech table, thanks for inculding the I/O die to CCD quantity makeup as this is the first report that I've seen that shares the MCM configuration of the Threadripper Pro models - please do the same for the non-pro versions as well.The Impact of L3 cache on Ansys Fluent slide from AMD doesn't make a lot of sense to me. What it is saying is that if you double the L3 cache per thread for the application in question, the performance increases by up to 12%, which looks to be an 8% average increase overall. Does this performance increase make sense when you would have to typically pay 2x the cost ($3K) to upgrade from a 5975WX to its 5995WX bigger brother? Who would seriously do that? This only makes sense if you had purchased the 5995WX as a render machine and had workstation time available to run the Ansys Fluent application.
To me, what would make sense would be to do this test using a single CPU. So, if we were just testing the 5975WX, you would test with cache pinning on and then off to see what performance gains would be made. The only way it would make sense to double the L3 cache would be to test the same CPU that had an additional 32 MB of 3D cache per chiplet, which would increase the total level 3 cache to 256MB, which would make it the same as the 2x more expensive 5995WX. AMD doesn't currently offer such a part but in my mind that would be the most appropiate way to run this test.
If you agree with this analysis, please ask AMD to further explain its thinking.
mistrrhappy - Sunday, October 22, 2023 - link
"The higher spec of the two is WRX90, which is specifically designed for the Ryzen Threadripper 7000 Pro WX-series. WRX90 boards will support 8 channels of memory, for up to 1 TB of DDR5-5200 RDIMMs." Pretty sure this was supposed to be 2TB for the WRX90 spec.Fellovv - Tuesday, November 14, 2023 - link
Good correction, according to the table above that lists non-pro at 1 TB and pro to 2 TB, which also makes logical sense in light of previous generations. I saw that too and went back to the table. Scary to say, but 1 TB for a pro doesn't make sense now. Soon it will be 8 TB. Looking forward to running the whole OS in RAM with big disk caches for lighting speed. I only have 256 GB in my TRPro, and I don't know what do do with it when not running many VMs.CyrIng - Friday, October 27, 2023 - link
What is the family and model CPUID of Threadripper 7000 Non Pro ?StevensTril - Saturday, November 25, 2023 - link
Seems like not enough channels for memory.