As someone who loves their custom loops, I still only recommend people go with AIO solutions.
Too much messing, and too much risk of damage to hardware. And once you've added your waterblock, as I did with my 3090 (out of necessity - the dam thing rang 85C all day long), not only is that £300+ waterblock cost already sunk (pardon the pun), but the original card itself has lost much of its value on the secondhand market. You sure you kept EVERY scew? Bought new pads, and put the original heatsink back on so as someone will not notice? I expect not.
Would I buy this card?
At launch? Definately.
Now? (deep breath), a hard pass. There are 4090s on the secondhand market now, and the 5090 is immenent. Just a little to late to the party for me.
This product has a stupid person tax. That's fine, some people want to spend thousands for things that cost hundreds because they don't want to save a few screws and the original box and they don't want to twist on a few clamps. Those people tend to not re-sell their stuff and break even anyway. This product is just like buying storage from Apple, getting service done at the BMW dealership, fake old designer jeans, or military/government contracts.
Those things do exist, but that doesn't make the people who buy them any less of an idiot, which was the OP's point. The prerequisites are: You must be ignorant, unwilling to learn/work for the sensible solution, AND be proud enough of those first two facts to dump a lot of money on a dumb solution.
So one could have a Lamborghini Huracan and a Lamborghini Lanzador over a single Lamborghini Aventador...but some people just want the bragging rights of the Aventador.
Oh no! Not the "compare it to a car" thing again. I've been unfortunately stuck in IT for a while and it doesn't fail that sometime during any given week, some male-leaning person compares computers to cars. I wonder if any other professional fields are like that. Do medical professionals compare latex gloves to cars? Can anyone outside of the awful pit of nose wiping nerds that I'm trapped in tell us if that happens constantly and is just a thing certain people do?
Yes, car comparisons happen in other industries -- such as lawn sprinklers. People "get" car analogies, but they don't understand when you compare to something else or just try to describe problems and solutions in general.
Maybe Americans are retarded? Oh, wait, I'm an American. Okay, we're all very smart people, yes, that's what we are! ;)
Flunk, that's just it, they don't realize they're crazy because they (apparently) have so much disposable income it doesn't matter how ridiculous the purchase is.
And that's great and all for those trust fund babies and mega wealthy people with gobs of disposable income, but the problem is it enables the industries they are profit-ballooning and turns the concept of a free-market on its head, because traditionally, niche and lux products SUBSIDIZED the 'average joe' purchases, but recently, companies have realized they can simply produce nothing but high-spec products (be it appliances, vehicles, technology) and turn similar profits than they did during wide-ranging mass production.
I'm not sure what the endgame is here for the average consumer. Everything has been pushed upmarket. You literally can't buy an entry level spec vehicle anymore because they aren't manufacturing them.
Umm, "entry level vehicle" has been effectively killed off thanks to industry over regulation and the recent additional taxation, at least in the US. I would know, my mother needed a new car recently and she knows people who work in the automotive industry.
Also worth noting is that the "Mega wealthy" constitute only a few percentage points of the whole US population. And those people don't need rooms full of gaming PCs. So, I don't really see how your theory holds up in real life. It's seems more likely based on much reading and talking to people who did have disposable income, that recent government hand outs gave some people who were already well enough off, "disposable income" from which they could over pay for products such as GPUs.
That's odd. I've never really heard that outside of computer things, but I suppose its possible. It's just painfully common in information technology especially when people post comments here and in a few other tech forums I haunt. Oddly not so much in Linux or security though. It seems like its mainly a hardware component thing.
so it is guaranteed to go to plaid mode like in tesla’s… so 2hat temperature does the card allow to run at 3.2Ghz?… and am i guaranteed to be able to run a 4.0 Ghz, if i can get to a certain low temperature? (or is it “no guarantees in life”)
with nvidia margins at 70 percent (every 300 dollars of price, 200 is profit) so if the card only had a margin of 33%, it could be sold at the regular price of 1600…
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Threska - Wednesday, September 20, 2023 - link
Only $3200, that two and a half kidneys.PeachNCream - Wednesday, September 20, 2023 - link
Some idiot will buy one.There are always a few people like that.Makaveli - Wednesday, September 20, 2023 - link
No doubt.crimsonson - Friday, September 22, 2023 - link
Why would it be an idiot? If you have the disposable income - why not? Not like there is an alternative. It is not like a Honda vs Rolls Royce.Eliadbu - Friday, September 22, 2023 - link
Your money will be better spent if you go with custom cooling, and that by itself says a lot about this product.Notmyusualid - Saturday, September 23, 2023 - link
As someone who loves their custom loops, I still only recommend people go with AIO solutions.Too much messing, and too much risk of damage to hardware. And once you've added your waterblock, as I did with my 3090 (out of necessity - the dam thing rang 85C all day long), not only is that £300+ waterblock cost already sunk (pardon the pun), but the original card itself has lost much of its value on the secondhand market. You sure you kept EVERY scew? Bought new pads, and put the original heatsink back on so as someone will not notice? I expect not.
Would I buy this card?
At launch? Definately.
Now? (deep breath), a hard pass. There are 4090s on the secondhand market now, and the 5090 is immenent. Just a little to late to the party for me.
cantcurecancer - Sunday, September 24, 2023 - link
This product has a stupid person tax. That's fine, some people want to spend thousands for things that cost hundreds because they don't want to save a few screws and the original box and they don't want to twist on a few clamps. Those people tend to not re-sell their stuff and break even anyway. This product is just like buying storage from Apple, getting service done at the BMW dealership, fake old designer jeans, or military/government contracts.Those things do exist, but that doesn't make the people who buy them any less of an idiot, which was the OP's point. The prerequisites are: You must be ignorant, unwilling to learn/work for the sensible solution, AND be proud enough of those first two facts to dump a lot of money on a dumb solution.
Samus - Thursday, September 21, 2023 - link
So one could have a Lamborghini Huracan and a Lamborghini Lanzador over a single Lamborghini Aventador...but some people just want the bragging rights of the Aventador.PeachNCream - Thursday, September 21, 2023 - link
Oh no! Not the "compare it to a car" thing again. I've been unfortunately stuck in IT for a while and it doesn't fail that sometime during any given week, some male-leaning person compares computers to cars. I wonder if any other professional fields are like that. Do medical professionals compare latex gloves to cars? Can anyone outside of the awful pit of nose wiping nerds that I'm trapped in tell us if that happens constantly and is just a thing certain people do?Threska - Thursday, September 21, 2023 - link
Blame it on Bill Gates.https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/car-balk/
ballsystemlord - Thursday, September 21, 2023 - link
Yes, car comparisons happen in other industries -- such as lawn sprinklers. People "get" car analogies, but they don't understand when you compare to something else or just try to describe problems and solutions in general.Maybe Americans are retarded? Oh, wait, I'm an American. Okay, we're all very smart people, yes, that's what we are! ;)
ingwe - Thursday, September 21, 2023 - link
Yeah calling something a Rolls Royce is idiomatic at this point. Spoiler, it doesn't refer to their jet engines.Flunk - Thursday, September 21, 2023 - link
The main issue is that people don't think these massively overpriced cars are crazy, not that people don't think that way about GPUs.Samus - Friday, September 22, 2023 - link
Flunk, that's just it, they don't realize they're crazy because they (apparently) have so much disposable income it doesn't matter how ridiculous the purchase is.And that's great and all for those trust fund babies and mega wealthy people with gobs of disposable income, but the problem is it enables the industries they are profit-ballooning and turns the concept of a free-market on its head, because traditionally, niche and lux products SUBSIDIZED the 'average joe' purchases, but recently, companies have realized they can simply produce nothing but high-spec products (be it appliances, vehicles, technology) and turn similar profits than they did during wide-ranging mass production.
I'm not sure what the endgame is here for the average consumer. Everything has been pushed upmarket. You literally can't buy an entry level spec vehicle anymore because they aren't manufacturing them.
ballsystemlord - Saturday, September 23, 2023 - link
Umm, "entry level vehicle" has been effectively killed off thanks to industry over regulation and the recent additional taxation, at least in the US. I would know, my mother needed a new car recently and she knows people who work in the automotive industry.ballsystemlord - Saturday, September 23, 2023 - link
Also worth noting is that the "Mega wealthy" constitute only a few percentage points of the whole US population. And those people don't need rooms full of gaming PCs. So, I don't really see how your theory holds up in real life.It's seems more likely based on much reading and talking to people who did have disposable income, that recent government hand outs gave some people who were already well enough off, "disposable income" from which they could over pay for products such as GPUs.
Samus - Thursday, September 21, 2023 - link
Hey Peach, DM me, I'd love to chat sometime and talk bout my analogies to lubricants and cylindrical objects!crimsonson - Friday, September 22, 2023 - link
You will be amazed how often car comparison happens in every industry. It is a shorthand for practical vs luxury.PeachNCream - Friday, September 22, 2023 - link
That's odd. I've never really heard that outside of computer things, but I suppose its possible. It's just painfully common in information technology especially when people post comments here and in a few other tech forums I haunt. Oddly not so much in Linux or security though. It seems like its mainly a hardware component thing.Thud2 - Saturday, September 23, 2023 - link
The Rolls Royce of...You have to have heard that phrase use in every segment.
PeachNCream - Saturday, September 23, 2023 - link
No, I haven't. This is the first time I've seen someone even reference that and I had to use a search engine to figure out what that even meant.Fairness - I saw someone else comment about that a few posts up, but whatever, you get the point.
m4dp1x3l - Thursday, September 21, 2023 - link
I read the "GPU TWEAK III" title bar as "GPU TWERK III". The internet has officially ruined me.Flunk - Thursday, September 21, 2023 - link
Do you remember when a $1000 GPU was outrageous.I remember.
Makaveli - Thursday, September 21, 2023 - link
I remember buying a Ati Radeon 9700 Pro on launch at $500 man those were the days.Samus - Saturday, September 23, 2023 - link
I member.Surfacround - Friday, September 22, 2023 - link
so it is guaranteed to go to plaid mode like in tesla’s… so 2hat temperature does the card allow to run at 3.2Ghz?… and am i guaranteed to be able to run a 4.0 Ghz, if i can get to a certain low temperature? (or is it “no guarantees in life”)with nvidia margins at 70 percent (every 300 dollars of price, 200 is profit) so if the card only had a margin of 33%, it could be sold at the regular price of 1600…
Surfacround - Friday, September 22, 2023 - link
oops, my math may be wrong, but my point stands…