And that's what they should do. Folow Nvidia pricing. And if Nvidia price it's future cards to the sky, AMD should price them just below the sky. Why? Because all of you whining for AMD's pricing, just want AMD to offer it's cards at ridiculous low prices to force Nvidia to drop it's prices, so you can buy somewhat cheaper Nvidia GPUs. Well AMD is done making you happy buyers of Intel and Nvidia products. 7900XTX was selling at below $900 recently with RTX 4090 remaining above $1500. Still whining about pricing. PAY THE HUANG TAX or play with an iGPU. You wanted it, you get it. (you end all others whining all those years for AMD pricing, while you should be in fact screaming about Intel and Nvidia pricing, but noooooooo, you love Intel and Nvidia, you can't blame them, let's blame AMD) Oh, I am laughing at all of you now.
Then this message should make you laugh even more at yourself. I own only AMD GPUs. It's not that I love AMD or anything, it's that the native kernel drivers on Linux are better compared to the green team. Now I skipped buying this gen, and the 2 before that. Because they are pricing their GPUs up and up and up.
Come to think of it, your basing your opinion of us on the idea that we are jealous of those who can afford an Nvidia product. I know that Nvidia's name is a play on the greek god of envy, Invidia, but that doesn't mean that I or anyone else is subject to that deadly sin that, apparently, Jensen Huang wishes to subject us to.
That's cause AMD simply doesn't compete. The 7900 is nowhere near the 4090 and it's ray tracing performance sucks for a current $1000 card. FidelityFX is garbage compared to DLSS too.
They need a DLSS3 answer. The 4000 series is absolutely terrible value, where in many cases you not only get no performance increase per cost increase, but you get a negative one. But DLSS3, whatever your opinions on the tech, brings "free" frames and makes RTX viable pretty much across the board.
Real people always look at price to performance. It's rare for anyone to come to shop and say "I have unlimited budget, gimme PC". giving the same performance while being cheaper is usually best-selling point. what they need is only to make decent cards, put them firmly cheaper than Nvidia, and say that you dont need dlss3 to get 100 frames, you can have it NATIVE for same price. AMD have ram advantage so they should play that card, 4k runs native vs NV side that had to upscale to get the performance. Show all graphs at 4k native, wherever possible. Spam as many cards as possible, so every user can see them as they shop.
Lol, free frames of garbage, I can write an interpolation algorithm in 15 minutes that gives you pretty much the same result, there is a reason why no one has made one before, it sucks.
If you want to pay more for worse quality but high values on the FPS counter, you can do that.
In the past there were outrage whenever a company cheated by sacrificing quality over speed, nowadays sheeple only seem to care about fake fps, upscaling etc.
Do people have much worse vision today or are they just overwhelmed by lack of quality in everything that they don't care anymore?
Yeah, back in like 1960~2000, TVs and video media used to do a thing called "Interlacing", which is adding frames between two "Progressive" frames. That's where the "p" in 1080p comes from. It looked like garbage, and DLSS3 is no different.
I'd be more excited if graphics cards didn't need such an absurd amount of power to be competitive, but at this point, I'll just sit outside the swirling mess with whatever graphics happen to be on the CPU package and let someone else deal with it. There are a lot of good games that don't really require much of anything in the way of compute resources to be lots of fun and a fair number of those are open source or free. AMD and NV can and should continue competing, but I can't be bothered to deal with the disaster that is current computing when I can be entertained pretty much endlessly in my free time using something as modest as a Pentium n3700 that has a peak power consumption of 6W for my amusement.
If a Pentium N3700 is enough for you (substantially slower than the new N100 or Skylake from the same year), you might as well not read AnandTech anymore. Unless you're an investor or something.
I'm not even disagreeing with you. I've used some slow chips and they are fine, and new games are a crapshoot. It's just that you have completely checked out. What about a Phoenix desktop APU?
No one else is reading Anandtech either these days, but that aside, I'm not sure the site is exclusive to people that eagerly (and often mindlessly) chase faster computers. Sure, yes, a Skylake CPU would be faster, but also requires active cooling. The laptop in which said n3700 resides (Dell Latitude 3160) has a credit card sized copper plate buried underneath a layer of plastic. It's hard to want to leave that behind when its so quiet and has been working well for years with nothing but a RAM upgrade to 8GB and an SSD upgrade to 1 TB especially when all of the things I did with it at purchase still work the exact same way today. If I were going to transition to anything else, I'd most likely use my cheap burner $40 android with a bluetooth keyboard and to an extent I do that now moreso than bother with my laptop.
Sure and in another 8 years I could run a WIGGEWOOGA Model Noodle7000 at 6W and get an order of magnitude more performance. That's the almost inevitable march of technological advancement when you happen to use a power conserving CPU that went EOL in 2015 like a Pentium n3700, but I'm not an asshole that's going to turn a system into ewaste if it still does what I need it to do. But yeah, if you think throwing stuff in the trash and throwing away income on consumer electronics is the requirement for reading an article at a tottering zombie tech news site and are going to attempt to be a gatekeeper for information published to the general public, you're welcome to team up with individual above to have a go at regulating traffic into the site.
Umm, buying new tech doesn't necessarily mean that you throw the old into the trash. You could reuse it else where, like making a NAS or setting up a free-software server for people online. Another option is to donate the old tech equipment.
Why would I invent some silly reason to keep otherwise unused hardware connected and operating while at the same time buying more that I don't need? That's wasteful at the purchase end and wasteful during operation by running additional hardware to provide unnecessary capability.
just be cause it doesnt suit YOUR use case, views or opinions, doesnt mean it doesnt for some one else. i have reused plenty of old comps for other things over the years, 1 comp, i have set up specifically to test hdds when it seems they are failing. another comp, i have used to extract audio cds to covert to mp3 so i can play it in my car, as well as extracting movies to put on my nas so i can watch the movies on the tvs here.
based on your previous posts, seems like the most you do with any comp you have, is websurf, email, and play games that you dont need the latest and greatest comp, which is fine, that is YOUR use case. but calling how others use their comp, or what and how they use old hardware, silly or stupid, is just plain ignorant and arrogant
A few people still show up looking for something to read occasionally, and we all know about this site because we chase faster computers (loose definition, but even "phones" count here since they are really a handheld computer). I think it's fairly exclusive to that, yes.
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boozed - Thursday, August 3, 2023 - link
"AMD lacks currently lacks something current"Indeed
Ryan Smith - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
No. That's a lack of braincells on the part of the copyeditor... 😳boozed - Sunday, August 6, 2023 - link
I write technical reports for a living, we've all been there!meacupla - Thursday, August 3, 2023 - link
I hope they price these reasonably out of the gate.ballsystemlord - Thursday, August 3, 2023 - link
A reasonable price compared to the size of our wallets, or Nvidia's pricing scheme?Currently, the 7900XTX is "reasonably" priced in the context of Nvidia's RTX 4090.
yannigr2 - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
And that's what they should do. Folow Nvidia pricing. And if Nvidia price it's future cards to the sky, AMD should price them just below the sky. Why? Because all of you whining for AMD's pricing, just want AMD to offer it's cards at ridiculous low prices to force Nvidia to drop it's prices, so you can buy somewhat cheaper Nvidia GPUs.Well AMD is done making you happy buyers of Intel and Nvidia products. 7900XTX was selling at below $900 recently with RTX 4090 remaining above $1500. Still whining about pricing.
PAY THE HUANG TAX or play with an iGPU. You wanted it, you get it. (you end all others whining all those years for AMD pricing, while you should be in fact screaming about Intel and Nvidia pricing, but noooooooo, you love Intel and Nvidia, you can't blame them, let's blame AMD)
Oh, I am laughing at all of you now.
meacupla - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
cool story deranged person.ballsystemlord - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
Then this message should make you laugh even more at yourself. I own only AMD GPUs. It's not that I love AMD or anything, it's that the native kernel drivers on Linux are better compared to the green team.Now I skipped buying this gen, and the 2 before that. Because they are pricing their GPUs up and up and up.
ballsystemlord - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
Come to think of it, your basing your opinion of us on the idea that we are jealous of those who can afford an Nvidia product. I know that Nvidia's name is a play on the greek god of envy, Invidia, but that doesn't mean that I or anyone else is subject to that deadly sin that, apparently, Jensen Huang wishes to subject us to.cmdrdredd - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
That's cause AMD simply doesn't compete. The 7900 is nowhere near the 4090 and it's ray tracing performance sucks for a current $1000 card. FidelityFX is garbage compared to DLSS too.nandnandnand - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
It was cheaper than the 4080 and nobody cares about DLSS3.meacupla - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
7900 XT was $900 at launch, and is now at $750.It should have launched at $750, which would have been the reasonable price.
Dante Verizon - Saturday, August 5, 2023 - link
It's the same MSRP.. The discounted prices of the older generation left people with skewed expectations.Tunnah - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
They need a DLSS3 answer. The 4000 series is absolutely terrible value, where in many cases you not only get no performance increase per cost increase, but you get a negative one. But DLSS3, whatever your opinions on the tech, brings "free" frames and makes RTX viable pretty much across the board.deil - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
Real people always look at price to performance. It's rare for anyone to come to shop and say "I have unlimited budget, gimme PC".giving the same performance while being cheaper is usually best-selling point.
what they need is only to make decent cards, put them firmly cheaper than Nvidia, and say that you dont need dlss3 to get 100 frames, you can have it NATIVE for same price.
AMD have ram advantage so they should play that card, 4k runs native vs NV side that had to upscale to get the performance.
Show all graphs at 4k native, wherever possible.
Spam as many cards as possible, so every user can see them as they shop.
haplo602 - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
this reminds me of the Nvidia vs 3dfx back then ... just DLSS is the substitute for FSAAZoolook - Saturday, August 5, 2023 - link
Lol, free frames of garbage, I can write an interpolation algorithm in 15 minutes that gives you pretty much the same result, there is a reason why no one has made one before, it sucks.If you want to pay more for worse quality but high values on the FPS counter, you can do that.
In the past there were outrage whenever a company cheated by sacrificing quality over speed, nowadays sheeple only seem to care about fake fps, upscaling etc.
Do people have much worse vision today or are they just overwhelmed by lack of quality in everything that they don't care anymore?
meacupla - Saturday, August 5, 2023 - link
Yeah, back in like 1960~2000, TVs and video media used to do a thing called "Interlacing", which is adding frames between two "Progressive" frames. That's where the "p" in 1080p comes from. It looked like garbage, and DLSS3 is no different.nandnandnand - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
Lulz timehttps://wccftech.com/amd-rdna-4-navi-4x-lineup-rum...
PeachNCream - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
I'd be more excited if graphics cards didn't need such an absurd amount of power to be competitive, but at this point, I'll just sit outside the swirling mess with whatever graphics happen to be on the CPU package and let someone else deal with it. There are a lot of good games that don't really require much of anything in the way of compute resources to be lots of fun and a fair number of those are open source or free. AMD and NV can and should continue competing, but I can't be bothered to deal with the disaster that is current computing when I can be entertained pretty much endlessly in my free time using something as modest as a Pentium n3700 that has a peak power consumption of 6W for my amusement.nandnandnand - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
If a Pentium N3700 is enough for you (substantially slower than the new N100 or Skylake from the same year), you might as well not read AnandTech anymore. Unless you're an investor or something.I'm not even disagreeing with you. I've used some slow chips and they are fine, and new games are a crapshoot. It's just that you have completely checked out. What about a Phoenix desktop APU?
PeachNCream - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
No one else is reading Anandtech either these days, but that aside, I'm not sure the site is exclusive to people that eagerly (and often mindlessly) chase faster computers. Sure, yes, a Skylake CPU would be faster, but also requires active cooling. The laptop in which said n3700 resides (Dell Latitude 3160) has a credit card sized copper plate buried underneath a layer of plastic. It's hard to want to leave that behind when its so quiet and has been working well for years with nothing but a RAM upgrade to 8GB and an SSD upgrade to 1 TB especially when all of the things I did with it at purchase still work the exact same way today. If I were going to transition to anything else, I'd most likely use my cheap burner $40 android with a bluetooth keyboard and to an extent I do that now moreso than bother with my laptop.brucethemoose - Friday, August 4, 2023 - link
> I'd be more excited if graphics cards didn't need such an absurd amount of power to be competitive.Again... If you are satisfied with an N3700 or Android burner, I'm not sure how this first sentence is relevant.
Like others said, you could run Phoenix or a Steam Deck at 6W and still get an order of magnitude (?) more performance.
PeachNCream - Saturday, August 5, 2023 - link
Sure and in another 8 years I could run a WIGGEWOOGA Model Noodle7000 at 6W and get an order of magnitude more performance. That's the almost inevitable march of technological advancement when you happen to use a power conserving CPU that went EOL in 2015 like a Pentium n3700, but I'm not an asshole that's going to turn a system into ewaste if it still does what I need it to do. But yeah, if you think throwing stuff in the trash and throwing away income on consumer electronics is the requirement for reading an article at a tottering zombie tech news site and are going to attempt to be a gatekeeper for information published to the general public, you're welcome to team up with individual above to have a go at regulating traffic into the site.ballsystemlord - Saturday, August 5, 2023 - link
Umm, buying new tech doesn't necessarily mean that you throw the old into the trash.You could reuse it else where, like making a NAS or setting up a free-software server for people online.
Another option is to donate the old tech equipment.
PeachNCream - Sunday, August 6, 2023 - link
Why would I invent some silly reason to keep otherwise unused hardware connected and operating while at the same time buying more that I don't need? That's wasteful at the purchase end and wasteful during operation by running additional hardware to provide unnecessary capability.erotomania - Sunday, August 6, 2023 - link
Other people use devices differently. Than you, and each other. Reasons exist. You didn't invent shit, except stpuid internet comments.PeachNCream - Tuesday, August 8, 2023 - link
Use name seems accurate. Mania detected.Qasar - Saturday, August 12, 2023 - link
just be cause it doesnt suit YOUR use case, views or opinions, doesnt mean it doesnt for some one else. i have reused plenty of old comps for other things over the years, 1 comp, i have set up specifically to test hdds when it seems they are failing. another comp, i have used to extract audio cds to covert to mp3 so i can play it in my car, as well as extracting movies to put on my nas so i can watch the movies on the tvs here.based on your previous posts, seems like the most you do with any comp you have, is websurf, email, and play games that you dont need the latest and greatest comp, which is fine, that is YOUR use case.
but calling how others use their comp, or what and how they use old hardware, silly or stupid, is just plain ignorant and arrogant
erotomania - Sunday, August 6, 2023 - link
A few people still show up looking for something to read occasionally, and we all know about this site because we chase faster computers (loose definition, but even "phones" count here since they are really a handheld computer). I think it's fairly exclusive to that, yes.