I don´t see you warning against the fact that power management is currently not working in the Pentium D parts. Since this is a CPU guide, it would be wise to include that.
This week, we're noticing that all of the AMD X2 processors have seen some sort of price adjustment; most have decreased in price, although a couple of which have gone up.
Actually, the price drops were across the X2 line-up.
Intel's new additions to the dual-core line-up, the Presler 9xx, are fairly impressive. They are currently competing very nicely with AMD's variants, and this is an exceptional stand to see Intel take.
Let me see. Their performance is lower, they consume more power and also cost quite a bit more, as your price engine shows. I don´t know where you guys have spent the last few years, but this is not exceptional, but has rather been the rule for many years.
I put together a Pentium 4 506 based system for a family member. He didn't need much, I had a P4 board available, etc. The PSU died last week during a power failure, likely because he was using an old power strip as opposed to a real surge protector. I replaced the PSU for him, and in the process I was checking out the system.
Imagine my surprise when I found out that it was running at 4.0 GHz instead of 2.66 GHz. Yikes! I asked him if it had been crashing or anything, and he said he hadn't noticed anything. Still, I poked around a bit and it didn't seem fully stable.
Now, this was with the stock HSF running stock voltages. Considering this is only a http://labs.anandtech.com/search.php?q=pentium+506">$120 Intel CPU - albeit without HyperThreading - you might be able to get some nice results with a better HSF and motherboard.
are the opterons still a go or are the steppings crappy and it's a no-go? I would just get a venice instead, no reason to get an opteron if it ain't gonna OC better than venices. Can anyone confirm?
I personally don't believe in "guaranteed 2.8+ GHz on air!" claims for most Opterons. I've got a 165 that does 2.56 GHz with the retail HSF, and that seems about typical. A bit better air cooler might get 2.65 to 2.70 GHz, and water might get 2.80+ GHz. For single core chips, you can add about 200 MHz to the estimates. So, all told, the Opteron chips are still reasonable, and they include good retail HSFs. If you're just looking for 2.6 to 2.8 GHz you won't be disappointed; if you want 2.8+ GHz, though, water cooling is about the only way I would say it's anywhere near "guaranteed".
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DigitalFreak - Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - link
You have the FX-60 cache listed as 2x2MB. Should be 2x1MB, right?KeithDust2000 - Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - link
I don´t see you warning against the fact that power management is currently not working in the Pentium D parts. Since this is a CPU guide, it would be wise to include that.Questar - Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - link
Your AMD fanbotism is really showing through today.KeithDust2000 - Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - link
Just because you aren´t aware of the issue doesn´t mean it doesn´t exist.But I see that the area of your expertise is rather "personal attacks out of nowhere, with no content or argument to the contrary of any sort".
KeithDust2000 - Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - link
By that I am of course referring to the Presler parts that you are recommending in your guide.KeithDust2000 - Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - link
This week, we're noticing that all of the AMD X2 processors have seen some sort of price adjustment; most have decreased in price, although a couple of which have gone up.Actually, the price drops were across the X2 line-up.
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KeithDust2000 - Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - link
Intel's new additions to the dual-core line-up, the Presler 9xx, are fairly impressive. They are currently competing very nicely with AMD's variants, and this is an exceptional stand to see Intel take.Let me see. Their performance is lower, they consume more power and also cost quite a bit more, as your price engine shows. I don´t know where you guys have spent the last few years, but this is not exceptional, but has rather been the rule for many years.
One43637 - Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - link
ouch $513 for a 175? glad i ordered a retail for under $500.while getting a nice OC is good to hope for, i'd be happy if it could clock like my current P4.
JarredWalton - Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - link
I put together a Pentium 4 506 based system for a family member. He didn't need much, I had a P4 board available, etc. The PSU died last week during a power failure, likely because he was using an old power strip as opposed to a real surge protector. I replaced the PSU for him, and in the process I was checking out the system.Imagine my surprise when I found out that it was running at 4.0 GHz instead of 2.66 GHz. Yikes! I asked him if it had been crashing or anything, and he said he hadn't noticed anything. Still, I poked around a bit and it didn't seem fully stable.
Now, this was with the stock HSF running stock voltages. Considering this is only a http://labs.anandtech.com/search.php?q=pentium+506">$120 Intel CPU - albeit without HyperThreading - you might be able to get some nice results with a better HSF and motherboard.
tjpark1111 - Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - link
are the opterons still a go or are the steppings crappy and it's a no-go? I would just get a venice instead, no reason to get an opteron if it ain't gonna OC better than venices. Can anyone confirm?JarredWalton - Tuesday, January 24, 2006 - link
I personally don't believe in "guaranteed 2.8+ GHz on air!" claims for most Opterons. I've got a 165 that does 2.56 GHz with the retail HSF, and that seems about typical. A bit better air cooler might get 2.65 to 2.70 GHz, and water might get 2.80+ GHz. For single core chips, you can add about 200 MHz to the estimates. So, all told, the Opteron chips are still reasonable, and they include good retail HSFs. If you're just looking for 2.6 to 2.8 GHz you won't be disappointed; if you want 2.8+ GHz, though, water cooling is about the only way I would say it's anywhere near "guaranteed".TowerShield - Monday, January 23, 2006 - link
Pretty large drop.I'm guessing the FX-60 showing up a second time under AMD single-cores is a typo?
rrcn - Monday, January 23, 2006 - link
Yeah, the FX-60 is also showing up under the single-core page because I haven't been able to figure out the code to get it to disappear. :p