I see that the Corsair Nautilus500 is available, and at pretty much the expected price. I have searched around looking for any information on the Cryo-Z, and don't see any. Just curious if anyone in Anandland had any further information...
I also wanted to second the request/suggestion of the addition of a cooling area to Anandtech.
And the best thing about all the Asus boards pictured? EVERY ONE OF THEM IS PASSIVELY COOLED. About time. Dinky motherboard fans are the bane of many otherwise-quiet systems and they're often of such poor quality as to die within a few months and leave the user with a board that can overheat.
Funny you should mention that. I have an ASUS K8N4-E Deluxe board that has been used less than 3 months. It has a dinky NB HSF, and guess what died this past week? So now I replaced that 30mm or whatever fan with a spare 60mm fan jury-rigged into the case, and it cools better and runs quieter. Small fans are garbage.
quote: DFI also plans one more revision to their just-released nF4 Expert. The new board will provide further improvements to the overclocking capabilities of their nF4 Expert.
Sounds very promising. Hopefully, they'll fix the problems with the NB heatsink and 7800GTX 512MB getting in the way. When should we expect more details for this board?
Quick correction on what looks like a typo on your DualCor coverage. The article states that the 1.5 Ghz processor runs XP Pro and the 400 Mhz runs XP Tablet. Actually, the 1.5 Ghz runs XP Tablet and the 400 Mhz runs Windows Mobile 5. So basically you have a full XP Tablet for when you need it and the instant-on benefits of a Mobile 5 PDA for when you need information like PIM data quickly.
That brings up another interesting issue though -- is data synchronized between the two sections (e.g. Outlook contacts/calendar/etc.), and do that mean you can run both parts at once and simply switch between the two (since they seemingly share only the user interface elements)?
am i the only one annoyed of the fact that the graphics card is almost always ignored when it comes to exotic cooling.
why no phase change cooling option for you graphics card? and not just the gpu i'm talking about the memory aswell. pc ram may not get very hot but gddr does.
This was the problem I saw with the ocz phase change setup. It seemed very nice for extreme cpu speeds, but it would be nice if they offered an expanded system that had cooling for other system components
quote: Unfortunately, the effect was marred by the fact that the Brightside display had been damaged in transit to the show: the bottom of the LCD panel had been shattered and there were vertical streaks as well.
quote: The prototype designs are extremely expensive right now, costing close to $50,000
Supposedly was the shipping company. That's a hefty insurance bill, I'd wager. It was pretty awesome to see true black from such a crisp LCD, though. They had Doom 3 shots and some other stuff running, and it was all very impressive looking. Hopefully, we can see something get into the market like this in the next year!
According to the Specifications, the DualCor has 3 USB 2.0 ports (2 type A and 1 type B), a mini VGA port, and a compact Flash slot. It also has both 1GB of DDR2 Memory and 1GB of Flash Memory. It looks like your wishes are all there.
They had it hooked to an LCD, but I don't know if it can run non-native resolutions or not. (Probably a driver update will be required, as at the show it was only outputting 800x480.) It looks like the unit is in early Beta to me, but it's still pretty interesting. Getting 40GB of easily accessible storage for your PDA is nice.
i am so dissapointed at DFI. i thought they were going to show off their mATX nforce 6150/430 board. are they even planning to release it or was this just a rumor.
I went back to our CES pictures and found shots of the new DFI mATX GeForce boards. Since you are interested the images have been added to the coverage. It looks like the new DFI 6100/6150 boards are for real and not just rumors.
The red DFI matx board is based on the ATI RS482 chipset, not the 6150 as we reported earler. We have corrected the article. DFI was not displaying a 6150 Socket 939 board, but they did have the 6100 Socket 754 which is pictured on the DFI page. We have asked DFI to update us on their 6150 plans and we will let you know as soon as we hear more.
Eh, top air cooling is somewhat close to good water cooling. However, this OCZ Revolution phase change has me very excited. The possibility of $200-$300 phase change is phenomenal!
No Kidding. That's how much Koolance was asking for the Exos a few years back. Phase change for this cheap would cause either a massive increase in quality and quiteness among water-cooling solutions, or a massive price-drop.
Great job on covering the processor cooling at CES. I've been looking for this everywhere and no one else was posting much about it. Does this attention to cooling mean you guys may be launching a cooling section in the future?
"We couldn't provide pictures, but the new ATI video card will be launching soon. Vendors tell us that they already have GPUs and completed cards this time around and therefore, product will be on the shelves at launch. Specifications hint that this may well be the new top-end video card, outperforming even the 7800GTX 512, which appeared in small quantities in what nVidia is now calling "limited release", and which has now disappeared from the market."
irony ... lol
i wonder what how fast G71 will be and will it make it in this month or late feb/early march as various website are reporting it.
We'll be looking into it for sure. Air cooling is all about equal once you hit the $40+ parts (well, the good ones are equal anyway). Water and phase-change are way beyond anything air can do, though.
Very nice guys, great job on the report and such. Especially showing what OCZ is up to with their phase change coolant thing (first time I seen it). Pretty neat to be honest.
man that OCZ phase change unit was looking sexy as hell, especially with that oh so tempting price...If only they were able to incorporate northbridge and GPU cooling into it also (even if it was more expensive) to truly earn the name of the revolution...
Also it is aimed for the enthusiast market, so space as someone ws complaining about does not matter...
They talked about the possibility of a dual GPU cooler block. Part of the problem with that is phase-change requires a lot more complexity than something like water cooling. You're not just cycling liquid through a tube; you have to worry about evaporator/condenser stuff as well. NB and RAM are down on the list in terms of importance, especially with chips like the FX series that have unlocked multipliers.
Actually, I think it was a G2 chassis. I believe http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Barebone/SK21G.a...">this is the unit we saw. K8M800CE chipset doesn't seem like anything really impressive, and there isn't a DVI port. The newer stuff at Shuttle was another Viiv unit, with Core Duo support (as opposed to Pentium D). I don't think I saw anything really new on the AMD side.
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Leinad - Saturday, March 4, 2006 - link
I see that the Corsair Nautilus500 is available, and at pretty much the expected price. I have searched around looking for any information on the Cryo-Z, and don't see any. Just curious if anyone in Anandland had any further information...I also wanted to second the request/suggestion of the addition of a cooling area to Anandtech.
yacoub - Thursday, January 12, 2006 - link
And the best thing about all the Asus boards pictured? EVERY ONE OF THEM IS PASSIVELY COOLED. About time. Dinky motherboard fans are the bane of many otherwise-quiet systems and they're often of such poor quality as to die within a few months and leave the user with a board that can overheat.Very nice work, Asus.
JarredWalton - Thursday, January 12, 2006 - link
Funny you should mention that. I have an ASUS K8N4-E Deluxe board that has been used less than 3 months. It has a dinky NB HSF, and guess what died this past week? So now I replaced that 30mm or whatever fan with a spare 60mm fan jury-rigged into the case, and it cools better and runs quieter. Small fans are garbage.SignalPST - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Sounds very promising. Hopefully, they'll fix the problems with the NB heatsink and 7800GTX 512MB getting in the way. When should we expect more details for this board?
FlyingShawn - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Quick correction on what looks like a typo on your DualCor coverage. The article states that the 1.5 Ghz processor runs XP Pro and the 400 Mhz runs XP Tablet. Actually, the 1.5 Ghz runs XP Tablet and the 400 Mhz runs Windows Mobile 5. So basically you have a full XP Tablet for when you need it and the instant-on benefits of a Mobile 5 PDA for when you need information like PIM data quickly.abakshi - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Yeah I was about to post that.That brings up another interesting issue though -- is data synchronized between the two sections (e.g. Outlook contacts/calendar/etc.), and do that mean you can run both parts at once and simply switch between the two (since they seemingly share only the user interface elements)?
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Yes, DualCor was demoing synchronized data between the 2 OS. I will correct the OS/processor statements in a few minutes.monsoon - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
since we didn't get the new MAC MINI at Macworld, i'm eager to read your coming review of the AOpen PC Mini with CORE DUO insideHoudani - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Those Aopen boxes look stupendous on the outside. I'm eager to hear how their innards fare. All three of them there boxes are intriguing.wilburpan - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
This is probably the wrong trade show for this, but was there any indication from CES as to whether BTX is increasing its penetration into the market?semo - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
am i the only one annoyed of the fact that the graphics card is almost always ignored when it comes to exotic cooling.why no phase change cooling option for you graphics card? and not just the gpu i'm talking about the memory aswell. pc ram may not get very hot but gddr does.
Puddleglum - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Check this image: http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/tradeshows/200...">http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/tra...ows/2006...Turin39789 - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Now that just needs to drop to $299 and we'll be all setTurin39789 - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
This was the problem I saw with the ocz phase change setup. It seemed very nice for extreme cpu speeds, but it would be nice if they offered an expanded system that had cooling for other system componentsJynx980 - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Can you imagine being the one responsible for getting that $50,000 Brightside TV to the show and then f-cking it up?!"Oooooh, sorry guys, my bad."
JustAnAverageGuy - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
OUCH! That's gotta suck.
JarredWalton - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Supposedly was the shipping company. That's a hefty insurance bill, I'd wager. It was pretty awesome to see true black from such a crisp LCD, though. They had Doom 3 shots and some other stuff running, and it was all very impressive looking. Hopefully, we can see something get into the market like this in the next year!DigitalDivine - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
i like the tiny dualcor computer. if it has a vga out and usb in, this will be a winner and i would get one as fast as i can.Wesley Fink - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
According to the Specifications, the DualCor has 3 USB 2.0 ports (2 type A and 1 type B), a mini VGA port, and a compact Flash slot. It also has both 1GB of DDR2 Memory and 1GB of Flash Memory. It looks like your wishes are all there.JarredWalton - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
They had it hooked to an LCD, but I don't know if it can run non-native resolutions or not. (Probably a driver update will be required, as at the show it was only outputting 800x480.) It looks like the unit is in early Beta to me, but it's still pretty interesting. Getting 40GB of easily accessible storage for your PDA is nice.swatX - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
i am so dissapointed at DFI. i thought they were going to show off their mATX nforce 6150/430 board. are they even planning to release it or was this just a rumor.Wesley Fink - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
I went back to our CES pictures and found shots of the new DFI mATX GeForce boards. Since you are interested the images have been added to the coverage. It looks like the new DFI 6100/6150 boards are for real and not just rumors.swatX - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Thanks a lot!do you know by any chance if the bios of those motherboards will be simillar to bios of their Nforce 4 motherboards.
Wesley Fink - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
The red DFI matx board is based on the ATI RS482 chipset, not the 6150 as we reported earler. We have corrected the article. DFI was not displaying a 6150 Socket 939 board, but they did have the 6100 Socket 754 which is pictured on the DFI page. We have asked DFI to update us on their 6150 plans and we will let you know as soon as we hear more.highlandsun - Thursday, January 12, 2006 - link
I read the specs for the ATI board on the DFI web site. Too bad it uses the ATI southbridge instead of ULI. http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product_spec_detai...">http://us.dfi.com.tw/Product/xx_product...=4497&am...Otherwise, it looks pretty interesting, doesn't seem to be missing anything critical as an HTPC platform.
Avalon - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Eh, top air cooling is somewhat close to good water cooling. However, this OCZ Revolution phase change has me very excited. The possibility of $200-$300 phase change is phenomenal!Xenoterranos - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
No Kidding. That's how much Koolance was asking for the Exos a few years back. Phase change for this cheap would cause either a massive increase in quality and quiteness among water-cooling solutions, or a massive price-drop.rjm55 - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Great job on covering the processor cooling at CES. I've been looking for this everywhere and no one else was posting much about it. Does this attention to cooling mean you guys may be launching a cooling section in the future?tuteja1986 - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
"We couldn't provide pictures, but the new ATI video card will be launching soon. Vendors tell us that they already have GPUs and completed cards this time around and therefore, product will be on the shelves at launch. Specifications hint that this may well be the new top-end video card, outperforming even the 7800GTX 512, which appeared in small quantities in what nVidia is now calling "limited release", and which has now disappeared from the market."irony ... lol
i wonder what how fast G71 will be and will it make it in this month or late feb/early march as various website are reporting it.
JarredWalton - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
We'll be looking into it for sure. Air cooling is all about equal once you hit the $40+ parts (well, the good ones are equal anyway). Water and phase-change are way beyond anything air can do, though.Powermoloch - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
Very nice guys, great job on the report and such. Especially showing what OCZ is up to with their phase change coolant thing (first time I seen it). Pretty neat to be honest.Son of a N00b - Saturday, January 14, 2006 - link
man that OCZ phase change unit was looking sexy as hell, especially with that oh so tempting price...If only they were able to incorporate northbridge and GPU cooling into it also (even if it was more expensive) to truly earn the name of the revolution...Also it is aimed for the enthusiast market, so space as someone ws complaining about does not matter...
JarredWalton - Saturday, January 14, 2006 - link
They talked about the possibility of a dual GPU cooler block. Part of the problem with that is phase-change requires a lot more complexity than something like water cooling. You're not just cycling liquid through a tube; you have to worry about evaporator/condenser stuff as well. NB and RAM are down on the list in terms of importance, especially with chips like the FX series that have unlocked multipliers.R3MF - Thursday, January 12, 2006 - link
What was the Shuttle s754 'update'?was it a G5 Chassis with a 6100/430 chipset, silent power-brick PSU and support for AMD Turion/A64 processors?
that would be interesting.
JarredWalton - Thursday, January 12, 2006 - link
Actually, I think it was a G2 chassis. I believe http://global.shuttle.com/Product/Barebone/SK21G.a...">this is the unit we saw. K8M800CE chipset doesn't seem like anything really impressive, and there isn't a DVI port. The newer stuff at Shuttle was another Viiv unit, with Core Duo support (as opposed to Pentium D). I don't think I saw anything really new on the AMD side.MrSmurf - Wednesday, January 11, 2006 - link
I was intrigued by the phase change cooling unit as well but it's too big. I like my system to be powerful but tidy and neat at the same time.