Since the AIW 2006 PCIe is based off the architecture of the x1300, can any other x1300 card be used to set up a Crossfire system? There was an article a little while ago that stated that the x1300 series wouldn't need a Crossfire master-card so any x1300 card should, in theory, be able to complete the Crossfire system right?
It's really bad review journalism that so many reviews are done in a vacuum. None of a product's features or characteristics have meaning as an absolute... they're only meaningful *relative* to other similar competing products. That makes perfect sense, since even human intelligence isn't and can't (yet?) be measured as an absolute. Neither has meaning except relative to a peer.
I'd like to see AnandTech and all other sites offering things called reviews to save their words and efforts until they can do the job right, with a full comparative head-to-head spread. "Reviews" in a vacuum like this raise an obvious question of motivation: is this an actual objective review, or merely a verbose conspiratorial marketing ad?
What I'm most curious about is if this card can OC up at least to stock X1300(445MHz up to 600MHz) engine clock. If so, then it should be able to do Crossfire, as the X1300 & X1600 do not require a master/dongle combo.
It not, my understanding is that Crossfire automatically 'underclocks' the faster card, and then this combo doesn't look as promising
"The fact that certain parts (ie. X1600) took so long after launch to actually become available made us go from slightly annoyed to eventually worried that something horrible had happened at ATI to cause such delays."
It's been known for months why the x1000 series was delayed. As always, Google is your friend.
There are lots of reason for the general "delay" in x1000 series parts, and these have been well documented. Initially the R520 was supposed to launch this past summer and the rest of the lineup would follow in october/november. There was a circuit bug that ended up forcing ATI to push the R520 launch back to the RV515 timeframe. RV515 (x1300) was generally on time, and the RV530 (X1600) was announced at the same time as the rest of the X1000 series (early october). RV530 was scheduled to hit the streets on 11/30. All this is well and good, but it's not what Josh was talking about.
The X1600 wasn't available until recently. The X1800 XT was available about 3-5 days after it was scheduled to be (11/5), but it took longer for the X1600 to show up. This is the delay we are talking about -- the delay from when ATI says something will be on shelves until the day it actually is.
We are happy to see some real availability of the All-In-Wonder 2006 today at major online retailers. It was also nice to see a few sites selling the X1800 CrossFire Edition a couple days ago.
This week is certainly a welcome change from what we are used to seeing from ATI.
If this thing is $200 or lower at launch(and $150 or so as time goes on?), it'd be a good option for people with an "SLI" mobo, but no interest in a SLI setup. Put your gaming card in slot 1, put this card in slot 2, use this for VIVO, and the gaming card as your actual video card.
or buy a dedicated TV card for vastly less money, and get a pci one so you wouldnt have to havee a dual PCI-E motherboard. These AIW cards seem pointless when you can get a decent TV card for about £30 ($55 ish)
For people in that situation, a pcie theater550 card would be a much better option. Hardware encoding makes a huge difference (despite what was said in the article) and the 550 is much cheaper than this card.
Actually, getting a regular x1300 + theater 550 card works out about the same price as the x1300 aiw, and would be a much better option imo (faster gfx card + better TV picture.) Plus it would give you something to put in those pcie x1 slots :)
ah but that 1x slot is inbetween my two Vieo slots... and i dont think any card will fit in there..... (DFI Ultra-D) some times, i get really angry @ DFI for their board design...
I have the HDTV wonder and a Radeon 9600 Pro. No fans this way, you get the remote. I still get ATI's media center and I can receive HDTV. Can you get HDTV with the AIW. I never see it covered in the reviews. If I want a newer graphics card (for H.264 as example) I just get the X13/6/800 or what ever comes out later.
Yeah, some of the AVIVO literature has me worried that the lower end X1000 cards are too slow to do full 1920x1080p video playback. Since these AIW cards are definitely NOT targeted at gamers, it would make more sense to ignore the gaming benchmarks and measure CPU usage during DivX/HD/etc playback.
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rob46 - Saturday, December 24, 2005 - link
Since the AIW 2006 PCIe is based off the architecture of the x1300, can any other x1300 card be used to set up a Crossfire system? There was an article a little while ago that stated that the x1300 series wouldn't need a Crossfire master-card so any x1300 card should, in theory, be able to complete the Crossfire system right?macraig - Saturday, December 24, 2005 - link
It's really bad review journalism that so many reviews are done in a vacuum. None of a product's features or characteristics have meaning as an absolute... they're only meaningful *relative* to other similar competing products. That makes perfect sense, since even human intelligence isn't and can't (yet?) be measured as an absolute. Neither has meaning except relative to a peer.I'd like to see AnandTech and all other sites offering things called reviews to save their words and efforts until they can do the job right, with a full comparative head-to-head spread. "Reviews" in a vacuum like this raise an obvious question of motivation: is this an actual objective review, or merely a verbose conspiratorial marketing ad?
Mark
Galloway1520 - Friday, December 23, 2005 - link
What I'm most curious about is if this card can OC up at least to stock X1300(445MHz up to 600MHz) engine clock. If so, then it should be able to do Crossfire, as the X1300 & X1600 do not require a master/dongle combo.It not, my understanding is that Crossfire automatically 'underclocks' the faster card, and then this combo doesn't look as promising
andlcs - Friday, December 23, 2005 - link
The review didn't mention the memory of this card.Newegg says it's DDR.
ATI Web Site says it's GDDR3.
I think it's F-BGA/GDDR2.
Questar - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - link
"The fact that certain parts (ie. X1600) took so long after launch to actually become available made us go from slightly annoyed to eventually worried that something horrible had happened at ATI to cause such delays."It's been known for months why the x1000 series was delayed. As always, Google is your friend.
DerekWilson - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - link
There are lots of reason for the general "delay" in x1000 series parts, and these have been well documented. Initially the R520 was supposed to launch this past summer and the rest of the lineup would follow in october/november. There was a circuit bug that ended up forcing ATI to push the R520 launch back to the RV515 timeframe. RV515 (x1300) was generally on time, and the RV530 (X1600) was announced at the same time as the rest of the X1000 series (early october). RV530 was scheduled to hit the streets on 11/30. All this is well and good, but it's not what Josh was talking about.The X1600 wasn't available until recently. The X1800 XT was available about 3-5 days after it was scheduled to be (11/5), but it took longer for the X1600 to show up. This is the delay we are talking about -- the delay from when ATI says something will be on shelves until the day it actually is.
We are happy to see some real availability of the All-In-Wonder 2006 today at major online retailers. It was also nice to see a few sites selling the X1800 CrossFire Edition a couple days ago.
This week is certainly a welcome change from what we are used to seeing from ATI.
Araemo - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - link
If this thing is $200 or lower at launch(and $150 or so as time goes on?), it'd be a good option for people with an "SLI" mobo, but no interest in a SLI setup. Put your gaming card in slot 1, put this card in slot 2, use this for VIVO, and the gaming card as your actual video card.Donegrim - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - link
or buy a dedicated TV card for vastly less money, and get a pci one so you wouldnt have to havee a dual PCI-E motherboard. These AIW cards seem pointless when you can get a decent TV card for about £30 ($55 ish)BigLan - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - link
For people in that situation, a pcie theater550 card would be a much better option. Hardware encoding makes a huge difference (despite what was said in the article) and the 550 is much cheaper than this card.Actually, getting a regular x1300 + theater 550 card works out about the same price as the x1300 aiw, and would be a much better option imo (faster gfx card + better TV picture.) Plus it would give you something to put in those pcie x1 slots :)
ksherman - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - link
ah but that 1x slot is inbetween my two Vieo slots... and i dont think any card will fit in there..... (DFI Ultra-D) some times, i get really angry @ DFI for their board design...jinjuku - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - link
I have the HDTV wonder and a Radeon 9600 Pro. No fans this way, you get the remote. I still get ATI's media center and I can receive HDTV. Can you get HDTV with the AIW. I never see it covered in the reviews. If I want a newer graphics card (for H.264 as example) I just get the X13/6/800 or what ever comes out later.highlandsun - Friday, December 23, 2005 - link
Yeah, some of the AVIVO literature has me worried that the lower end X1000 cards are too slow to do full 1920x1080p video playback. Since these AIW cards are definitely NOT targeted at gamers, it would make more sense to ignore the gaming benchmarks and measure CPU usage during DivX/HD/etc playback.BigLan - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - link
There is no hdtv capture support on the AIW.DigitalFreak - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - link
I nearly fainted. It's in stock at Newegg for $179 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82...">AIW 9600 PCI-EDigitalFreak - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - link
Uh.. Then again, maybe not. Newegg has it listed as the 9600 GPU. For ATI's sake I hope that's a typo.DerekWilson - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - link
There are 2 flavors of A-I-W 2006the AGP version is based on the 9600
the PCIe version is based on the X1300
I actually can't tell from the listing ... but the model number says: 100-714600
shop.ati.com lists the part number for the AGP version as: 100-714145
The part number for the PCIe version is not listed.
That gives me some hope that they've got it listed wrong on Newegg ... I'll see what I can dig up.
tuteja1986 - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - link
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82...">http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82... >> just get this istead :) good for gaming + plus all the basic feature of ALL in wonderBPB - Thursday, December 22, 2005 - link
Just look at the box in the picture. It says PCI Express. So this is the card in the review. And there's no remote with it, like the review said.As for the X800XL, it's just the card, no acessories. And it's AGP.