This could be a truly small amount. There's 25 locations, and 1 opening in July for 26 stores total. I'm guessing they'll have somewhere between 100 and 1,000 5600X3D CPUs per store.
How many AM4 motherboards are on the planet? Tens of millions?
Pricing doesn't make sense, but maybe since this is an exclusive, it's not reflective of the actual price these will be sold. I'm almost sure 25% of the 96 MB cache will also be unusable. I haven't look the details of these Ryzen chips L3, but L3 is usually victim cache. So that 25% never gets populated directly from L2 evicted blocks. Maybe L2 can evict to another area of the:L3, but a benchmark could figure out what's going on.
The L3 cache is perfectly usable. AMD has Milan-X (EPYC with V-cache) SKUs with as few as two active CPU cores per CCD, but with the full 768MB of chip-wide L3 cache available.
They always are. My last 5 upgrades, many of which were completely unnecessary (lol) were bundled deals, starting with a $99 credit toward a motherboard with purchase of a K-series CPU during Haswell (netting a free Asrock H87M-ITX with purchase of a $80 Pentium G3258 - that counted as a K part!) and most recently the Asus TUF Z690 + i7 12700k for $323 last December, effectively making the motherboard free.
In a blog post (which I can't find anymore atm), AMD claimed there was too much itner chip congestion for a 5950X3D. The CCDs reached into the other CCD's cache so much that the IO die links couldn't handle it.
Yes, any run-of-the-mill application or game would quickly run out of V-cache benefits as it goes off a single CCD: they need to be carefully designed and tuned to take advantage of the topology of CPU cores and caches.
Consumer games and workloads aren't very likely to achieve that and just risk bad press from unqualified reviewers, as the 7950X3D proved out, too.
But I use my machines for production workloads during the day and for gaming in the evening so I do how to operate (e.g. with numactl or Lasso) and what to expect. And since I do have both a 5800X3D and a 5950X I also know that I would have preferred to have the 5800X3D be a 5950X3D at a few extra bucks, simply for the flexibility.
Sold exclusively in MicroCenter does not mean that there is widespread availability. Only a fraction of the US population lives within driving distance of a MicroCenter.
For that reason I think that reporting on MicroCenter prices is largely irrelevant; as are comments from people who would claim that MicroCenter loss-leader prices have anything to do with expected common pricing for products.
New York 20 million LA 13 million Chicago 9.5 million Dallas 8 million Houston 7.3 million Washington DC 6.3 million Philadelphia 6.2 million Atlanta 6.2 million Boston 5 million San Francisco 4.5 million This alone is more than 1/4 of the USA population and it will be coming to other large MSA's like Phoenix, Miami, Charlotte, and others soon and it's not including Detroit, Columbus, Denver, etc. I wouldn't say fraction of the US population at all.
Chicago actually has two locations, one in Westmont, which covers the dense western burbs.
San Diego location covers nearly 2 million people in the USA alone - it technically covers Tijuana, millions more people. Very common to find vehicles with Mexico license plates in the lot.
I am a bit confused by this. I thought the 3D VCache is added right on top of the chiplet die, but is the same size also for the 7000 chiplets. So I guess the 3D VCache is added after they identify bad cores in "5800" and fuse them off to make 5600s. But then, why use 3D Cache for the old line of 5600 Ryzens? Do TSMC/AMD have now VCache dies to spare for that? Wouldn't it make more sense to use those to increase the number of 7000er Ryzens with 3D Cache and maybe sell a few more of those? Well, I obviously don't know, and someone at AMD has probably done the math. Still puzzling, though.
The cache reduces maximum speed and you can't really overclock it, either. Sure, it's great for some games, but only if you're CPU-limited, and GPU is more likely to be the issue.
Agreed. I'd take the considerably cheaper 5700X any day. It only makes sense as a combo. $100 more for a motherboard and 16GB of RAM? That is appealing.
That's how I ended up with my 7600 with a B650E-I. Good deal at the time! And frankly, as much as I need and can cool, although a 7900 would perhaps have been more efficient. A proper APU would be even better - 2 CU RDNA2 works, but at a max of 1080p for older games and less for newer ones. Since the IO die is separate it doesn't take too much away from the cores.
You have the events and reasoning slightly out of order. AMD didn't set out to make this product. These last couple of years they just ended up with a number of 3D V-Cache CCDs that were only suitable for a product such as the 5600X3D.
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The entire reason 3D V-Cache was conceived and why it's produced is EPYC.
All CCDs that get stacked 3D V-Cache would start out as candidates to become parts in a server CPU.
Testing will reveal some that don't make the cut, so AMD sets them aside for gaming CPUs instead.
Zen 3 with V-Cache must have been in production since at least fall of 2021; Milan-X became available to selected customers (including Azure) in November 2021, and generally in March 2022. They've had all that time to accrue dies unsuitable for both EPYC and the 5800X3D.
Besides the 7000X3D series (and the equivalent Zen 4 EPYC Genoa-X) not being around then, those use 2nd generation 3D V-Cache that is a different die with slightly smaller footprint.
I agree it's likely all about selling out left-over inventory.
They must have left-over V-cache chiplets and they may have run out of perfect 8 core CCD base chips to create 3D variants, so they use 6 core leftovers.
All of these are most likely inventory, produced long ago, nothing fresh from the fabs. And they must do something before the packaging pipelines are being disassembled for that generation.
Of course they might have preferred to put those V-cache chiplets on EPYCs, but while 6-core based EPYCs might sell, V-cache 6 core variants may be too small a niche to sell.
Also hyperscalers and HPC need to focus on the newest parts, so consumer chips is the only way to empty the inventory.
The iGPU-less Ryzens are also typical end-of-life chips from wafer edge partials and they are being sold currently, too.
While I love the huge L3, the power consumption (and consequential heat) situation is dreadful. I could quite literally turn on every light in my home and still operate my phone and laptop on just the max draw of the CPU alone. That also fails to account for summertime cooling of said home on our burning, mass extinction doomed planet. I would dread the utility bill a modern desktop PC requires and have difficulty understanding the mindless drones that tally ho their way into an expense like this.
Oh I get it! It's okay to waste power because other things performing a useful function like food storage or clothing maintenance require electrical energy. Whelp, have fun on the burning planet with that false equivalency you're using as a proverbial foundation for your flawed logic.
Heh, also sure, 600W for four to six hours a day (not including power for compensation in cooling if someone happens to use air conditioning) is a lot less power than the 2400W of one hour a week running a dryer. Very much "peanuts" in comparison. But hey, who's doing the math? Certainly not you.
You're talking out of your ass. The VCahce models use less power because they clock lower. If you really want to make an argument about power and waste heat, why not bring up Intel?
ANd we could go back to the stone age and still have a "burning planet". But facts are too inconveneient for you?
Yeah, Intel sucks at that too, but who's buying those chips? It takes mindless drones by the millions lusting after products they don't need to move multi-billion dollar corporations to develop products that have stupid levels of power consumption. PC enthusiasts are VERY quick to point at companies as being at fault, but certainly cower from looking in the mirror at themselves. Sad how little responsibility people are willing to accept for the situation they put themselves in. Everything about your reply, dear "Thunder" demonstrates that sort of thinking.
Wow. You must live on a different planet than I do? My planet is doing just fine, certainly not burning, and certainly not doomed. Or maybe it's the ideology you subscribe to?
5800X3D from TSMC to AMD was $205 and I suspect 5600X3D is no different. Microcenter makes $24 (unless AMD gave MC 56X3D at n/c) either way suspect to make up for R7K and especially 7900XT margin loss on 1st degree consumer downward price adjustments. I would have preferred to see 5800X3D refresh at 4.5% of R5K WW channel available new and used that is 48.5% of 7800X3D WW available. The reason is 41.5% of R5K WW inventory remaining is 5600_ and why sit on 5600_ clearing with 56X3D. I comprehend the performance difference w/56X3D limited to certain games and large sim models and also believe it makes sense if to off slack, getting rid of 56X3D through limited sales outlets. In the overall 5600X3D is something for AMD to trade for channel concessions and in this case MC, where AMD often gets rid of its desktop slack through Dell. mb
AMD CPU sales trend over the US domestic July 4th holiday sales events;
R7K is selling just like RDNA lll and Ada are selling all the daunting reports in PC media barking for affiliate sales commissions.
The price drops are known as 1st degree 'consumer discriminatory pricing' and that is because cadence on current drops unlike 7900XT and 4080 initial adjustments are now administered beyond the 30 day retail price difference return guarantee subsequently 'consumer discriminatory' buyers should wait to q1 2024 for lower price. In q1 2024 missing price adjustments end buyers don't get worked for retail's gain on every last price in relation next price. From a systems view, as in general systems 'game theory' retail is also trying to create a buyer herd effect searching for 'what price' gets prospects to rush to the purchase think snowball effect.
Let's look at R7K WW channel sales before and after July 4th so called retail sales event and before this latest price drop.
AMD loaded the channel with peak volume week ending June 4, 2023.
By grade SKU WW channel available
7950X3D = 4.37% on 6.4 and last week cleared down < 12% and today is 5.96% of full run inventory so 7950X3D did sell down in the last month.
7950X = 15.27% on 6.4 and by last week cleared down < 38% not bad and today is 11.32% of full run WW channel available
7900X3D = 15.75% < 79% and today 6.42% OF WW AVAILABLE see these products are selling.
7900X = 26.4% < 24% and today 28.97% of WW available I can add doing this exercise every week on WW channel data that 7900X sometimes sits on the shelf and that is because there are so many of them around 29% of full line supply. Subsequently if you want a 7900X the seller; retail or broker will be the most negotiable of 7900X for example bundled into a kit sale.
Note R7K on average price to volume retail is $256 and you get what you negotiate cost : price averaging other components in a PC kit sale; board, ram, PSU, case, CPU, dGPU etc. Say what is my sales close incentive and then ask for at least half the difference off for the CPU between retail price and wholesale price.
7900 = 1% but in the last month gained + 57.5% in WW channel available and today represents 2.76% of full line available so there was restocking of 7900 non X and that can also be had for a deal u get what u negotiate. R7K 12 cores seems to be the odd part out this generation.
7800X3D = 5.46% < only 4.9% so it's a slow mover over the USA domestic 4th sales events and today = 7.72% of full line.
7700X = 12.33% < 13.3% and today = 16% of WW available on that inventory wait (that must be cleared) likely some end buyer negotiating room on 7700X with broker or retail sales channels.
7700 = 1.31% + 77.33% channel inventory gain in the prior month and today is 2.92% of all R7K in WW channel. Overstocking makes for better end buyer negotiating leverage.
7600X = 11% < 1.6% and today 16.32% of full line available.
7600 = 0.93% < 36% and today inventory available at 1%
So R7K is selling and in the last month since 6.4.23 cleared down < 33%
Looking at Vermeer R5K in the last month wholesale trade deals have slowed, there is some secondary trade-in adding to WW R5K supply and I would say full line sales are currently stalled SO good deals on R5K through brokers and retail you have to ask for your discount and that is best accomplished through a kit bundle purchase or know the average full line procurement price to volume retail for R5K is $236.
Intel Raptor desktop over the last month sold down 4% and Alder desktop gained + 8.4% and the reason Intel appears to be selling more slowing in this last month is because Intel is still stuffing more product into the WW channels then sells off which is Intel flooding channel for back to school into Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales events and of course into year-end holiday sales. Second half sales for AMD and Intel is termed supply elastic, channel will be stuffed and prices plugs will be pulled PC parts price only get better, CPU and dGPU, throughout the second half into q1 2024.
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stanleyipkiss - Saturday, July 1, 2023 - link
I like this. It's a great way to send AM4 off, but also to PROTECT your moterboard partners with SELLING their remaining AM4 stocknandnandnand - Sunday, July 2, 2023 - link
This could be a truly small amount. There's 25 locations, and 1 opening in July for 26 stores total. I'm guessing they'll have somewhere between 100 and 1,000 5600X3D CPUs per store.How many AM4 motherboards are on the planet? Tens of millions?
meacupla - Saturday, July 1, 2023 - link
I admit, I did not see this coming.I also did not expect it to be an exclusive.
That said, its more expensive than a 5800X
andychow - Saturday, July 1, 2023 - link
Pricing doesn't make sense, but maybe since this is an exclusive, it's not reflective of the actual price these will be sold. I'm almost sure 25% of the 96 MB cache will also be unusable. I haven't look the details of these Ryzen chips L3, but L3 is usually victim cache. So that 25% never gets populated directly from L2 evicted blocks. Maybe L2 can evict to another area of the:L3, but a benchmark could figure out what's going on.Ryan Smith - Saturday, July 1, 2023 - link
The L3 cache is perfectly usable. AMD has Milan-X (EPYC with V-cache) SKUs with as few as two active CPU cores per CCD, but with the full 768MB of chip-wide L3 cache available.andychow - Monday, July 3, 2023 - link
Ok, good to know. Thank you Ryan.nandnandnand - Sunday, July 2, 2023 - link
Micro Center will have bundle deals for it, and price drops if it doesn't sell out.Thunder 57 - Sunday, July 2, 2023 - link
The bundle deals look like the real winners.Samus - Tuesday, July 4, 2023 - link
They always are. My last 5 upgrades, many of which were completely unnecessary (lol) were bundled deals, starting with a $99 credit toward a motherboard with purchase of a K-series CPU during Haswell (netting a free Asrock H87M-ITX with purchase of a $80 Pentium G3258 - that counted as a K part!) and most recently the Asus TUF Z690 + i7 12700k for $323 last December, effectively making the motherboard free.ToTTenTranz - Saturday, July 1, 2023 - link
I wish they'd release a 5950X3D for productivity and gaming performance.brucethemoose - Saturday, July 1, 2023 - link
In a blog post (which I can't find anymore atm), AMD claimed there was too much itner chip congestion for a 5950X3D. The CCDs reached into the other CCD's cache so much that the IO die links couldn't handle it.abufrejoval - Tuesday, July 4, 2023 - link
That would also be true for V-cache EPYCs.Yes, any run-of-the-mill application or game would quickly run out of V-cache benefits as it goes off a single CCD: they need to be carefully designed and tuned to take advantage of the topology of CPU cores and caches.
Consumer games and workloads aren't very likely to achieve that and just risk bad press from unqualified reviewers, as the 7950X3D proved out, too.
But I use my machines for production workloads during the day and for gaming in the evening so I do how to operate (e.g. with numactl or Lasso) and what to expect. And since I do have both a 5800X3D and a 5950X I also know that I would have preferred to have the 5800X3D be a 5950X3D at a few extra bucks, simply for the flexibility.
Jeff007245 - Friday, July 7, 2023 - link
I wish they did too. As impractical as it may "seem", the 5950X3D would be an amazing send off for the AM4 Platform.bji - Saturday, July 1, 2023 - link
Sold exclusively in MicroCenter does not mean that there is widespread availability. Only a fraction of the US population lives within driving distance of a MicroCenter.For that reason I think that reporting on MicroCenter prices is largely irrelevant; as are comments from people who would claim that MicroCenter loss-leader prices have anything to do with expected common pricing for products.
Oxford Guy - Saturday, July 1, 2023 - link
Micro Center's GPU prices are certainly nothing to do with loss leading.lazarpandar - Sunday, July 2, 2023 - link
It’s a large fraction. They’ve got a store in what the top 5? 10? Largest metropolitan areas in the US?TheinsanegamerN - Monday, July 3, 2023 - link
That's still just a fraction. 1/10th is a "large fraction" of the population, but nowhere near a majority.hecksagon - Monday, July 3, 2023 - link
It's more like 1/4 of the US population lives within a 30 mile radius of a Microcenter.Shlong - Monday, July 3, 2023 - link
New York 20 millionLA 13 million
Chicago 9.5 million
Dallas 8 million
Houston 7.3 million
Washington DC 6.3 million
Philadelphia 6.2 million
Atlanta 6.2 million
Boston 5 million
San Francisco 4.5 million
This alone is more than 1/4 of the USA population and it will be coming to other large MSA's like Phoenix, Miami, Charlotte, and others soon and it's not including Detroit, Columbus, Denver, etc. I wouldn't say fraction of the US population at all.
Samus - Sunday, July 9, 2023 - link
Chicago actually has two locations, one in Westmont, which covers the dense western burbs.San Diego location covers nearly 2 million people in the USA alone - it technically covers Tijuana, millions more people. Very common to find vehicles with Mexico license plates in the lot.
Nfarce - Thursday, July 13, 2023 - link
Atlanta has two locations in exhurb cities northwest (Marietta) and northeast (Duluth) of downtown.eastcoast_pete - Saturday, July 1, 2023 - link
I am a bit confused by this. I thought the 3D VCache is added right on top of the chiplet die, but is the same size also for the 7000 chiplets. So I guess the 3D VCache is added after they identify bad cores in "5800" and fuse them off to make 5600s. But then, why use 3D Cache for the old line of 5600 Ryzens? Do TSMC/AMD have now VCache dies to spare for that? Wouldn't it make more sense to use those to increase the number of 7000er Ryzens with 3D Cache and maybe sell a few more of those? Well, I obviously don't know, and someone at AMD has probably done the math. Still puzzling, though.GreenReaper - Sunday, July 2, 2023 - link
The cache reduces maximum speed and you can't really overclock it, either. Sure, it's great for some games, but only if you're CPU-limited, and GPU is more likely to be the issue.Thunder 57 - Sunday, July 2, 2023 - link
Agreed. I'd take the considerably cheaper 5700X any day. It only makes sense as a combo. $100 more for a motherboard and 16GB of RAM? That is appealing.GreenReaper - Monday, July 3, 2023 - link
That's how I ended up with my 7600 with a B650E-I. Good deal at the time! And frankly, as much as I need and can cool, although a 7900 would perhaps have been more efficient. A proper APU would be even better - 2 CU RDNA2 works, but at a max of 1080p for older games and less for newer ones. Since the IO die is separate it doesn't take too much away from the cores.Hul8 - Monday, July 3, 2023 - link
You have the events and reasoning slightly out of order. AMD didn't set out to make this product. These last couple of years they just ended up with a number of 3D V-Cache CCDs that were only suitable for a product such as the 5600X3D.*
The entire reason 3D V-Cache was conceived and why it's produced is EPYC.
All CCDs that get stacked 3D V-Cache would start out as candidates to become parts in a server CPU.
Testing will reveal some that don't make the cut, so AMD sets them aside for gaming CPUs instead.
Zen 3 with V-Cache must have been in production since at least fall of 2021; Milan-X became available to selected customers (including Azure) in November 2021, and generally in March 2022. They've had all that time to accrue dies unsuitable for both EPYC and the 5800X3D.
Besides the 7000X3D series (and the equivalent Zen 4 EPYC Genoa-X) not being around then, those use 2nd generation 3D V-Cache that is a different die with slightly smaller footprint.
kkilobyte - Sunday, July 2, 2023 - link
"Brick and motor PC part retailer" <== Shouldn't this be a "Brick and mortar" one? Or maybe they're selling computers and cars? :PThreska - Sunday, July 2, 2023 - link
Maybe someone is thinking of that Bill Gates quote.https://www-users.york.ac.uk/~ss44/joke/crash.htm
TheinsanegamerN - Monday, July 3, 2023 - link
Brick and Motor sounds like some old english pub.abufrejoval - Tuesday, July 4, 2023 - link
I agree it's likely all about selling out left-over inventory.They must have left-over V-cache chiplets and they may have run out of perfect 8 core CCD base chips to create 3D variants, so they use 6 core leftovers.
All of these are most likely inventory, produced long ago, nothing fresh from the fabs. And they must do something before the packaging pipelines are being disassembled for that generation.
Of course they might have preferred to put those V-cache chiplets on EPYCs, but while 6-core based EPYCs might sell, V-cache 6 core variants may be too small a niche to sell.
Also hyperscalers and HPC need to focus on the newest parts, so consumer chips is the only way to empty the inventory.
The iGPU-less Ryzens are also typical end-of-life chips from wafer edge partials and they are being sold currently, too.
PeachNCream - Tuesday, July 4, 2023 - link
While I love the huge L3, the power consumption (and consequential heat) situation is dreadful. I could quite literally turn on every light in my home and still operate my phone and laptop on just the max draw of the CPU alone. That also fails to account for summertime cooling of said home on our burning, mass extinction doomed planet. I would dread the utility bill a modern desktop PC requires and have difficulty understanding the mindless drones that tally ho their way into an expense like this.Makaveli - Tuesday, July 4, 2023 - link
If you own a home a computer power draw is peanuts compared to a fridge, a washer and dryer etc. So what is your actually complaint here?PeachNCream - Wednesday, July 5, 2023 - link
Oh I get it! It's okay to waste power because other things performing a useful function like food storage or clothing maintenance require electrical energy. Whelp, have fun on the burning planet with that false equivalency you're using as a proverbial foundation for your flawed logic.Heh, also sure, 600W for four to six hours a day (not including power for compensation in cooling if someone happens to use air conditioning) is a lot less power than the 2400W of one hour a week running a dryer. Very much "peanuts" in comparison. But hey, who's doing the math? Certainly not you.
nandnandnand - Friday, July 7, 2023 - link
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-5-5...5600X3D doesn't even consume 90 Watts, and you could configure it to use less.
Thunder 57 - Wednesday, July 12, 2023 - link
You're talking out of your ass. The VCahce models use less power because they clock lower. If you really want to make an argument about power and waste heat, why not bring up Intel?ANd we could go back to the stone age and still have a "burning planet". But facts are too inconveneient for you?
https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/styles...
PeachNCream - Saturday, July 22, 2023 - link
Yeah, Intel sucks at that too, but who's buying those chips? It takes mindless drones by the millions lusting after products they don't need to move multi-billion dollar corporations to develop products that have stupid levels of power consumption. PC enthusiasts are VERY quick to point at companies as being at fault, but certainly cower from looking in the mirror at themselves. Sad how little responsibility people are willing to accept for the situation they put themselves in. Everything about your reply, dear "Thunder" demonstrates that sort of thinking.charlesg - Tuesday, July 25, 2023 - link
Wow. You must live on a different planet than I do? My planet is doing just fine, certainly not burning, and certainly not doomed.Or maybe it's the ideology you subscribe to?
Bruzzone - Tuesday, July 4, 2023 - link
5800X3D from TSMC to AMD was $205 and I suspect 5600X3D is no different. Microcenter makes $24 (unless AMD gave MC 56X3D at n/c) either way suspect to make up for R7K and especially 7900XT margin loss on 1st degree consumer downward price adjustments. I would have preferred to see 5800X3D refresh at 4.5% of R5K WW channel available new and used that is 48.5% of 7800X3D WW available. The reason is 41.5% of R5K WW inventory remaining is 5600_ and why sit on 5600_ clearing with 56X3D. I comprehend the performance difference w/56X3D limited to certain games and large sim models and also believe it makes sense if to off slack, getting rid of 56X3D through limited sales outlets. In the overall 5600X3D is something for AMD to trade for channel concessions and in this case MC, where AMD often gets rid of its desktop slack through Dell. mbBruzzone - Thursday, July 6, 2023 - link
AMD CPU sales trend over the US domestic July 4th holiday sales events;R7K is selling just like RDNA lll and Ada are selling all the daunting reports in PC media barking for affiliate sales commissions.
The price drops are known as 1st degree 'consumer discriminatory pricing' and that is because cadence on current drops unlike 7900XT and 4080 initial adjustments are now administered beyond the 30 day retail price difference return guarantee subsequently 'consumer discriminatory' buyers should wait to q1 2024 for lower price. In q1 2024 missing price adjustments end buyers don't get worked for retail's gain on every last price in relation next price. From a systems view, as in general systems 'game theory' retail is also trying to create a buyer herd effect searching for 'what price' gets prospects to rush to the purchase think snowball effect.
Let's look at R7K WW channel sales before and after July 4th so called retail sales event and before this latest price drop.
AMD loaded the channel with peak volume week ending June 4, 2023.
By grade SKU WW channel available
7950X3D = 4.37% on 6.4 and last week cleared down < 12% and today is 5.96% of full run inventory so 7950X3D did sell down in the last month.
7950X = 15.27% on 6.4 and by last week cleared down < 38% not bad and today is 11.32% of full run WW channel available
7900X3D = 15.75% < 79% and today 6.42% OF WW AVAILABLE see these products are selling.
7900X = 26.4% < 24% and today 28.97% of WW available I can add doing this exercise every week on WW channel data that 7900X sometimes sits on the shelf and that is because there are so many of them around 29% of full line supply. Subsequently if you want a 7900X the seller; retail or broker will be the most negotiable of 7900X for example bundled into a kit sale.
Note R7K on average price to volume retail is $256 and you get what you negotiate cost : price averaging other components in a PC kit sale; board, ram, PSU, case, CPU, dGPU etc. Say what is my sales close incentive and then ask for at least half the difference off for the CPU between retail price and wholesale price.
7900 = 1% but in the last month gained + 57.5% in WW channel available and today represents 2.76% of full line available so there was restocking of 7900 non X and that can also be had for a deal u get what u negotiate. R7K 12 cores seems to be the odd part out this generation.
7800X3D = 5.46% < only 4.9% so it's a slow mover over the USA domestic 4th sales events and today = 7.72% of full line.
7700X = 12.33% < 13.3% and today = 16% of WW available on that inventory wait (that must be cleared) likely some end buyer negotiating room on 7700X with broker or retail sales channels.
7700 = 1.31% + 77.33% channel inventory gain in the prior month and today is 2.92% of all R7K in WW channel. Overstocking makes for better end buyer negotiating leverage.
7600X = 11% < 1.6% and today 16.32% of full line available.
7600 = 0.93% < 36% and today inventory available at 1%
So R7K is selling and in the last month since 6.4.23 cleared down < 33%
Looking at Vermeer R5K in the last month wholesale trade deals have slowed, there is some secondary trade-in adding to WW R5K supply and I would say full line sales are currently stalled SO good deals on R5K through brokers and retail you have to ask for your discount and that is best accomplished through a kit bundle purchase or know the average full line procurement price to volume retail for R5K is $236.
Intel Raptor desktop over the last month sold down 4% and Alder desktop gained + 8.4% and the reason Intel appears to be selling more slowing in this last month is because Intel is still stuffing more product into the WW channels then sells off which is Intel flooding channel for back to school into Black Friday and Cyber Monday sales events and of course into year-end holiday sales. Second half sales for AMD and Intel is termed supply elastic, channel will be stuffed and prices plugs will be pulled PC parts price only get better, CPU and dGPU, throughout the second half into q1 2024.
Mike Bruzzone, Camp Marketing